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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. Spark

    No, it's because if religious leaders ranted against adulterers and people who are divorced (among other groups that truly deserve to be villified) they would lose half their congregation. The "routine" of picking on and bullying gays is just too easy. The bible is a ruse, it's just too much fun to pick on gays.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Bet

      That's how they make their money, so they aren't going to preach about things that might offend the flock.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • TrueNorth

      Awwww....people not playing nice in the sandbox? You two should run for office – lying and exaggerating is reallly your thing

      June 1, 2012 at 2:40 am |
    • Bet

      They pass a collection plate at every service. Ti.thing is hammered on regularly. Priests and ministers live off what the congregation gives. They need to keep people in the seats or their income goes down. That's not a lie.

      How many screen names do you have now?

      June 1, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  2. Harry

    People still believe that junk is true?

    May 31, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  3. llovethisUS

    Those people just wanted some attention and the media is giving them what they wished for. If News people just ignored it then a lot of ppl wouldn't know anything about it now. Any crap like this would just die in the dark shadow. So media, it's all your fault.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  4. James

    It really is a shame that the fanatic Christians (sometimes mainstream) ruin the entire religion's views. Religion is religion; some people need belief in a higher power to add meaning to their lives. A few bad apples can ruin the whole bunch.

    May 31, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Evangelical

      Just because you don't like what religion teaches doesn't mean that it ruins anything. Religion has a duty to uphold the word of God. Otherwise there are no standards.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Bet

      @ evangelical

      You've done a bang up job of proving James' point. Who appointed you as god's personal spokesperson? Who says your interpretation of scripture is the correct one?

      May 31, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Bet,

      Interpretation? You would have to have a depraved mind to interpret the Bible as saying anything but prohibiting ho-mos-exuality.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Evangelical
      In the original Greek, the terms used in Corinthian's list of vices that are sometimes translated as "hom-ose.xual" are 'malakoi' and 'ar.senkoitai'.
      AR.SENKOTAI – Has been translated as "abusers of themselves with mankind" (KJV), "se.xual per.verts" (RSV), "sodo.mites" (NKJV, NAB, JB, NRSV), those "who are guilty of hom.ose.xual per.version" (NEB), "men who lie with males" (Lamsa), "behaves like a hom.ose.xual" (CEV), "men who have se.xual relations with other men" (NCV), and "ho.mose.xual offenders" (NIV). The New American Bible (Roman Catholic) translated ar.senokoitai as "practicing hom.ose.xuals". After much protest, the editors agreed to delete this term and replace it with "sodo.mites" in subsequent editions.
      'Ar.senokoitai' referred to male prosti.tutes for Paul and Christians until the 4th century.
      MALAKOI – Literally means "soft" or "males who are soft". This word has been translated as "ef.feminate" (KJV), "hom.ose.xuals" (NKJV), "corrupt" (Lamsa), "per.verts" (CEV), "catamites" which means call boys (JB), "those who are male prosti.tutes" (NCV), and "male prost.itutes." (NIV, NRSV). Until the Reformation in the 16th century and in Roman Catholicism until the 20th century, malakoi was thought to mean "mas.turb.ators." Only in the 20th century has it been understood as a reference to hom.ose.xuality.

      Furthermore – the Romans passage that same say condems gays can readily be interpreted as a condemnation of apostacy.
      The people God slew were sinners becuase they rejected the word of God and took part in a pagan or/gy.
      Whether it was a gay or straight or/gy is irrelevant – they angered God by rejecting their religion.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Bet

      @ evangelical

      Yes, interpretation. These books are translations of translations of translations, culled together by powerful white men who chose some gospels and left out others. What you're left with is what they picked because it suited their purposes.

      Unless you have the original texts, written and signed by the apostles and Paul, verified using carbon dating and DNA samples, and you understand Hebrew and Greek with respect to first century culture, you are reading someone's interpretation of what they might have said. Nothing more.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • SLArbiter

      @ Evangelical

      The sheer fact that passages can be interpreted to mean different things by people who believe it to be the word of god is reason enough to abandon the view that the bible is the word of god and should be followed to the letter. Unless of course, god WANTS his people to be confused by the bible, in which case you still can't take any of it at face value.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Dr Winthorp

      Sad James....you clearly are not aware of all of the good the Christian community does in this world – you are just following the rants on this blog....and do not have a clue what you are talking about. you may not agree with Christians stand for marriage remaining between a man and a woman – but the Christian community are the single greatest feeding agent for the poor and orphans in the world.....that is just one thing...to bad you don't get it. Obama is a christian, Bono is a christian, Van Morrison is a christian, Bill and Hilary Clinton are christians, Billy Graham is a christian, Tim Tebow is a christian, Justin Bieber is a christian, could keep goin for hours but......

      June 1, 2012 at 2:55 am |
  5. clubschadenfreude

    "Rightly applied" Aka you agree with me that the bible means just what I say it means. Again, no evidence that Southern Baptists are any more "right" then Unitarians, Catholics, Mormons, Presbyterians, etc. All sure you are the only TrueChristians but having nothing to support you but your claims of superiority.

    May 31, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      No, Club-Schaden-Freude
      you are wrong when you say
      "Again, no evidence that Southern Baptists are any more "right" then Unitarians, Catholics, Mormons, Presbyterians, etc. All sure you are the only True Christians but having nothing to support you but your claims of superiority". You are mistaking!

      My post to Dorothy posted @ 11:07 on this page addresses this very issue.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Bet

      "You are mistaking"

      The master of double speak and god's personal mouthpiece is back! Thank goodness, I was getting so tired of thinking for myself. Now I can just sit back and watch the brilliance unfold!

      May 31, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • SLArbiter

      @ PRISM

      So two people with differing interpretations of biblical passages are both correct if they say that the holy spirit guided their interpretation. Right, I suppose it all makes sense now...

      May 31, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Bet

      @ SLA

      When Jimmy Swaggart was caught with a prost.it.ute for the second time, three years after his famous "I have sinned" confession, he told those at Family Worship Center that "The Lord told me it's flat none of your business".

      So yeah, you can pretty much do what you want, as long as the lord tells you it's okay.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  6. ARNOD

    GOD EQUALS RELIGION. RELIGION EQUALS CONTROL. EVERYONE SEEMS TO WANT TO CONTROL EVERYONE'S ACTIONS BUT THEIR OWN. THEREFORE, I THANK GOD FOR RELIGION SO THAT ONE DAY EVERYONE WILL BE KILLING EVERYONE ELSE. ESPECIALLY , LETS THANK GOD FOR THE PEDOPHILE PRIESTS WHO PREY IN LARGE NUMBERS ON INNOCENT CHILDREN. DOES THAT MAKE GOD A PEDOPHILE (ALLOWS IT TO HAPPEN) . WAHT ABOUT THE POPE'S "HIDING" OF BERNARD LAW SO THE BOSTON POLICE CANNOT ARREST HIM. HAVE WE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT.

    May 31, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Naybr

      The Catholic Church is a cult disguised as a religion.

      May 31, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Flippy1124

      @Naybr – The definition of a cult = A religion that is unpopular. The definition of a religion = A cult that is popular.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • James

      @Flippy1124:

      Couldn't have put it better myself.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Be

      Just like it isn't fair to group hom.ose.xuals in to one big group. It is not fair to group the religious in to one big group. Pedophiles are everywhere not just in religion, make no mistake the Catholic cover up and protection of those pedophiles is absolutely horrendous. However that doesn't make all that profess to be a Catholics horrendous or sheep waiting to be lead to war or a slaughter.

      Religion is real living thing not a church. "Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values." You may condemn a church for leading its people astray, but they choose to follow and they are just as responsible as those who lead. Just like the housing crisis did you blame the lenders or the lendees? Yes, a church that would take advantage of ignorant people or use cohersion tactics is of course not good even if it is for the “greater good of Jesus”. Jesus in my opinion would be just as upset as you seem to be. My personal experience with religion and my church has been liberating in every aspect of life and not the other way around.

      The worst argument of all to me is the constant, "I am happier than you!", says the non-religious human, "No, I am happier than you!!" says the religious human, then they hom-se-xual says, "Well, I am just has happy as either one of you." Everyone deserves to be happy and to be loved. The thing is there are many types of happiness and love, some is short lived, some is long lived, sometimes something that seems to be happiness at first never really was. I strive for the longer lived, but many take what they can get.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • SLArbiter

      Aren't you supposed to be "sheep"? Jesus is your shepherd and you are his flock. A funny metaphor since a shepherd only protects his flock so that they can later be either fleeced, milked, or slaughtered...

      May 31, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Evangelical

      Just remember those pedophile priests were ho-mos-exuals. They weren't molesting young girls.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Bet

      @ evangelical

      First of all, if you don't know the difference between pedophilia and ho.mo.se.xu.ality, you're just plain ignorant.

      Second, take a moment to google "priests molesti girls" and you'll see that you are wrong.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Just remember those pedophile priests were ho-mos-exuals. They weren't molesting young girls."

      First you don't understand the definition of a pedophile and second girls aren't allowed in most churches to be "alter boys." LMAO! Duh!

      May 31, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
  7. Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

    Have you had naughty thoughts about another person ever? Jesus said it was as bad as doing the act.

    It comes down to this. Why does anybody care about what the Bible says on the issue of ho-mose-xuality? This is a violation of the first ammendment. It is plain as day. The only argument anybody can provide that they use to deny gay people the rights to marry is that the Bible says it is bad. Okay, so the Bible says it is bad. You are forgetting one thing, by enacting a ban on gay marriage, you've created a law that is based soley on a law in the Bible. There is no getting around it. That is a first ammendment violation.

    May 31, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      It is absolutely embarrassing that we even have to have this conversation. Open up your eyes people. You people are so quick to claim first ammendment rights but you are the first to throw them away. Any state that bans gay marriage should be ashamed of themselves for calling themselves American.

      May 31, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • Bet

      Jacques – I believe that most people don't realize that the First Amendment addresses religion in two ways: To protect religion from government interference, and, to protect the government from religious interference.

      People seem to pick on part or the other, depending on their cause. But it has a two-fold effect, which is as it should be.

      I don't want to see the government telling any religious group what to do, unless they are breaking the law.

      I don't want to see religious groups demanding laws be passed based on their religious beliefs.

      Fortunately, the Bill of Rights has it covered. Unfortunately, these groups persist in forcing state governments to pass laws denying certain groups civil rights. These laws will be challenged, and will probably end up in the SCOTUS. It will take years and millions of dollars that could be spent on helping people instead.

      Instead of spending so much time reading the bible, they should pay more attention in their junior high school civics class and save us all a lot of time and money. Really, it's appalling how little people know about their government. They think that waving a flag and slapping a bumper sticker that says "I support our troops" on their SUV makes them a good American.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Be

      Religious people fear not hom-ose-xuals but they fear what the government may do as a result of hom-ose-xual marriage. How do you rid fear like this? It is not having a hom-ose-xual friend or by comments saying, "Open up your eyes people" as if your eyes are open more than theirs are. It is not by hom-ose-xuals say we are just as happy as you are or by saying, "God is like Santa!" It is not by trying to prove the Bible is false or that there is no evidence for Jesus!

      I agree just like you stated religious people 'don't want to see the government telling any religious group what to do, unless they are breaking the law" and religious folk are also part of the same camp when you state 'don't want to see religious groups (any specific group ) demanding laws be passed based on their religious beliefs.'

      So for the first one, 'We don't want to see the government telling any religious group what to do, unless they are breaking the law" What is the law? What is does “telling” mean? Should someone be sued for not wanting to photograph a hom-ose-xual wedding? Can government adoption funding be pulled from a church if they do not desire help hom-ose-xual couple adopt? This is not biracial marriage (man and woman) this is (man and man, woman and woman) you can try to equate it to something else but it will never be the same.

      For the second one, "We don't want to see religious groups demanding laws be passed based on their religious beliefs" Can you name many laws that are not based on a belief system? Most laws passed could be part of someone’s "religion", rather it is their main focus or not. In fact many non-religious people have very similar beliefs to religious people, especially when it comes what is most important to us all. Majority rule is great to those who rule and maybe the minority, but they just don’t know it yet. A minority win is great for those in the minority and maybe the majority, but they just don’t know it yet . United we stand, divided we fall!

      May 31, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      I agree, there are many laws that are also found in religion. Usually there is a reason given that doesn't involve quoting the Bible. For instance, stealing. According to the Bible it is wrong. However, there are better reasons than "the Bible says it" to condemn it. It is taking something that you have not earned. It is hurting other people. The only reason anti-gay rights people can come up with is the Bible. There is no other reasoning behind their bigotry.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • SLArbiter

      @Be

      Religion has no monopoly on morality. People understood that rampant murder, theft, and ra-pe were detrimental to society long before the ten commandments. On the other hand, any laws banning hom-ose-xual marriage are 100% religiously based and as such are unconst-itutional.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Evangelical

      SLA,

      Only the Supreme Court can say what is unconst.itutional. I look forward to one of these cases being put before the Court. I am confident that the conservatives on the Court will prevail, and ho-mos-exuals will be stripped of their rights as a group.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Evangelical: Hom.o.se.xuals WILL NEVER be stripped of their rights because in order to do that it has to be proven they are doing something wrong and since SCIENCE has shown they are not, you can't take away their rights. No court bases anything off of the buybull and for your case against them, the buybull is the only thing you have. Does being a hateful bigot not bother you?

      May 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • SLArbiter

      @ TruthPrevails

      Not only does it not bother him, he revels in it.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      Evangelical: Groups do not have rights, individuals have rights. Jesus is coming, so you better open wide and catch it all.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      Evangelical paints is a bigot using the bible (which i doubt he has read) as a hammen. Of course, he revels in his own filth. We feed the troll.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      hammer, too.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Evangelical paints himself as a conservative, but he is nothing but a bigot using the bible (which i doubt he has read) as a hammer" was the way that was supposed to read

      May 31, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
  8. Helena Hanbaskit

    Let's assume for a minute that religious scriptures and teachings really are inspired and True (let's make that one short minute, only!). The Old Testament states that all pagan religions are wrong, the Christians state that the New Testament overrules the Old Testament so it's wrong, the Mormons and Muslims state that the New Testament is prophecy but not divine so it's wrong, and the Jews say Mormonism and Islam are blasphemy so they're both wrong. Which brings us back to the Old Testament (which is wrong).

    So, based completely on religious authority and divine inspiration we can conclude that – all of it is wrong!

    May 31, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • Redemption

      Ever considered therapy for confusion? You almost sound like you have a point – almost. Be good to study some more before coming onto this blog.....

      June 1, 2012 at 2:37 am |
    • Bet

      @ redemption

      Please enlighten us with your own scholarly research.

      June 1, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  9. SMB

    whew! Mr. Mohler just confirmed that the New Testament trumps the Old Testament, so that everyone can feel free to ignore the first half of the Bible. I, for one, am relieved that we can simply ignore the more inconvient parts of the Bible thanks to his expert interpretation.

    May 31, 2012 at 9:08 am |
  10. Dorothy

    Oh, btw, I am not catholic, but it does not mean I ignore early church history and the wisdom of the early writers who wisely condemned fundamentalism as heretical and dangerous. Also, many mainline churches do accept ho mo se x uality as being healthy and not sinful......episcopalians being one example.

    May 31, 2012 at 4:07 am |
  11. Dorothy

    The religios right agenda that is being fought in the courts: 1. Keep their ministers out of jail for se x ual misconduct. 2. Control women's reproductive rights. 3. Shelter their assets from lawsuits and taxes.
    The gay agenda being fought in the courts: 1. Marriage so they can live in legally recognized monogamous relationships. 2. Family so they can raise their children ( many adopted from straights who did not want them) as couples in stable nurturing households. 3. Service to country in the military.
    It seems pretty obvious which agend would be embraced by God and which He would immediately condemn.

    May 31, 2012 at 3:55 am |
  12. Dorothy

    Wow.....so we have people using scripture to condemn the activity of good and loving people. I guess history does repeat itself.....I believe that's what got Jesus and his followers killed.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • Evangelical

      No, Jesus is without sin. That's a way big difference. And nobody's being thrown into hell for loving – it is ho-mos-exual acts that gets people thrown into hell.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • Dorothy

      Right evangelical.....so you think that Gad cares more about what goes on between your knees and your belly button than what goes on in your heart. You have a pretty warped view of God. If you reduce committed relationships to the genitals, you and those who think like you are the real perverts. You are like the Pharisees that condemned people for eating pork or shell fish or working on the Sabbath. Jesus had little use for them as he would have for people today who hold views such as yours.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • Evangelical

      Dorothy you are wrong on so many levels. I will ignore your lack of understanding of Jesus and the Pharisees and focus on the so-called loving relationships. The reason it comes down to the ho-mos-exual acts is because that is the sin. Are you seriously trying to argue that there are no ho-mos-exual acts being committed by these so-called loving couples?

      May 31, 2012 at 3:27 am |
    • Dorothy

      What I am saying is that if you hadn't fallen into one of the early recognized heresies in the Church (fundamentalism) you might have a clue of how to interpret the bible. You interpret scripture exactly like the Pharisees did....which Jesus clearly condemns.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:32 am |
    • Evangelical

      You seriously need to examine your conscience, Dorothy, if you think that ho-mos-exuals are not going to be cast into hell. Most all mainline churches roundly condem ho-mos-exuality including "the" catholic church as your post indicates you are since you talke about heresies in "the" church. I often listen to a catholic radio station, and nearly every day they are speaking out against ho-mos-exuality.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:38 am |
    • Evangelical

      Incidentally, listening to religious radio is a good way of honing the conscience.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • sam stone

      Dorothy: One thing to keep in mind with Evangelical is that he/she/it is a bigot.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:46 am |
    • Dorothy

      Over 50 percent of Catholics support gay marriage. Their hierarchy has always been their greatest embarrassment and slow to embrace the truths which God makes so self evident (Galileo is a case in point)

      May 31, 2012 at 3:58 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Dorothy, no one can interpret the Bible without the Holy Spirit of God, who is the Spirit of Truth. God is a jealous God, jealous for His holiness, and HE will reveal Himself ONLY to those who truly seek Him, with humble repentant hearts, acknowledging their need for Him, and His righteousness, willing to forsake all in order to gain knowledge of Him.
      We have so many voices out there, including your own, claiming "equal rights" for their interpretation of the Scriptures, but you people don't know that God is the One who is th sole giver of truth, because you refuse to acknowledge His authority. In Him there is no compromise, no tolerance for deviation. And He specifically declares that h-m-s-x-uality an abomination in His sight,..... BECAUSE it is a mockery of His creation, of His natural order and His intent for human kind.
      That truth will never change if the whole world, even to the last person in it decides to accept is as normal.
      But remember this, above all things: It is God to whom you will have to answer, and that's who you have problem with, not us. who speak the truth to you...

      And finally, just so to make it clear, WHY it is so crucial to preserve human inst-i-ution of marriage as it has always been?......
      ~ God ordained marriage, so, to please the un-godly crowd which demands to change it, would be the last blow to the structure of human civilization, and sure way to disaster.
      And although to your own mind's understanding this claim seems unreasonable, the fact still stands , that any time any civilization went so far , past a certain point into depravity, they have spelled out their own demise.

      You can do what you will with what I wrote to you here, but the truth of what I said will stand, regardless of who acknowledges it or not, because the things said here are true , and the Spirit of God testifies to it. Nothing else needed to be said!

      May 31, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Bet

      @ Dorothy

      You should listen to PrissyPants1234. God has selected him as his special envoy to tell the rest of us what to think and what to believe. You'll go to hell if you don't.

      It's true because the bible and PrissyPants1234 says so.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Bet

      @ evangelical

      So far, your best argument is "You need to examine your conscience." Really, who put you in charge of the world's conscience, and why do you get to tell us what to think?

      May 31, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • SLArbiter

      @PRISM

      So you're pretty much saying that your god is a giant a**hole and hardly worthy of any praise whatsoever. An omnipotent being who is fraught with jealousy and desiring of acknowledgement yet refuses to reveal himself to all those he seeks devotion from. An all powerful deity who has a book written which is supposed to be his perfect, holy word yet no real concensus can be reached on how to interpret the entire thing. Christians seem intent on making it sound like god has the emotional and mental accuity of a sociopathic 3 year old child with ADHD...

      If god existed, he would thankfully be nothing like this caricature you worship.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Miller

      @ Prism 1234 – If god is truely as you describe and will cast people into hell for the reasons you state... then He is an immoral jerk. Any such god has no right to determine what is right or wrong.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      OK, folks... you can throw mud on the character of God, but you'll still stand before Him to be judged by Him. He is the Lord, we are His creation, and we owe Him everything. He is a God of love AND of consuming fire. This generation of proud, revbelious people will find out that there will be no Cons-ti-tution to duck behind, when you stand before your Maker! You'll be only a wretched, naked soul without covering for your sins. But sad thing is, Christ died for you too. A human soul is a terrible thing to waste, yet, you refused the only hope you had! You won't be able to blame God for your eternal destination, because you've taken your own path!

      May 31, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Prism1234

      Feel better now, little miss sunshine?

      May 31, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      "but you'll still stand before Him to be judged by Him."

      get back on your knees, b-i-t-c-h

      May 31, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
  13. Dr. Gener

    Not sure if my earlier post went through.

    To the author: I would rather be shameless than shameful.

    Thought experiment: if everyone from the anti-gay marriage camp would consider your Jesus' treatment at the hands of the Romans the next time one would want to blast their "sinner" siren. There is no pride in standing up for what you know is right; it must be done. But before you take your stand, ask yourself who you might hurt as you trod about. Strangers? Family members?

    Live, and let live. Stop wasting both our time.

    May 31, 2012 at 1:53 am |
    • Evangelical

      Nobody's trying to hurt anyone. We're trying to save souls here by not enabling sinful behavior.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • Dr. Gener

      Let "God" play with our souls. Just be respectful while you're here. And try to have a conversation with someone who is LGBT. We aren't boogie monsters.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:59 am |
    • Ricky Stevens

      You may not be trying to hurt someone, but through your blind ignorance that is exactly what happens. I wish you could think, use your mind. It's such a great gift from God and unfortunately it seems you're wasting it on trivial nonsense. Mainly the personal lives of other. I think God is perfectly capable of handling the salvation of the souls you're interfering with. God needs you to go to a soup kitchen and feed the homeless, he needs you to plant some trees, he needs you to be kind and loving to everyone you meet. Salvation though... that's his department.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:05 am |
    • Dorothy

      Can people really be that stupid to think God would condemn two people for entering into a loving and nurturing relationship?

      May 31, 2012 at 2:16 am |
    • Dr. Gener

      Amen, Ricky.

      And I second the soup kitchen suggestion. I volunteer at a health clinic for local homeless. Other populations could actually benefit from the until-now misappropriated attention/ good will.

      As for salvation, I'd like to focus on saving people in this life, or at least help them be happy, irrespective of what they believe.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:19 am |
    • Bet

      Evangelical, and I suppose you're working side by side with god to determine who's sinning?

      May 31, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • Evangelical

      Bet,

      The Bible is clear – ho-mos-exuality is a sin. Case closed.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:02 am |
    • Evangelical

      Ricky,

      Funny how everything you list are all the liberal do-gooder things. You will never get into heaven through works – only by grace and keeping His commandments.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:05 am |
    • Dorothy

      Pretty sad if those who follow the letter of the law without the spirit of the law go to heaven and the good people who do the corporal works of mercy end up in hell. Sounds to me in that scenario the Jesus in the Bible would have opted for hell.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:25 am |
    • sam stone

      Evangelical god as a petty vindictive punk because he/she/it is petty vindictive punk, and this gives him/her/it comfort.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:53 am |
    • jensim

      Your right, and I would also say that the bible says "judge not less you also be judged" so who is the church to focus on lobbying politicians to take rights away from people who are adults, not hurting anyone and simply trying to be happy? What kind of god wouldn't love someone for who they are and instead expects them to change, a god that would condemn someone for loving another adult who loves them back? Why judge? Why waste the energy? I'm so tired of this argument.

      May 31, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Bet

      @ Evangelical

      The bible says Jesus is coming back on a big throne wrapped in a rainbow. The bible says Jesus is gay.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Evangelical

      Bet, stop lying. You are blaspheming.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Bet

      @ Evangelical

      Rev. 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a carnelian stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in appearance like unto an emerald.

      I'm not lying. It's in the bible. Jesus sits on a throne with a big rainbow around it, that means Jesus is either gay or he supports gays.

      I thought you believed in the bible. Maybe you're the one who's going to hell.

      Or maybe it just means that you can prove anything by quoting selected portions of the bible.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Evangelical

      Bet, you are lying because rainbows have only recently become associated with ho-mos-exuality.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Bet

      The use of rainbow flags isn't anything new, they are displayed in many cultures around the world as a sign of diversity and inclusiveness. Theologian Thomas Müntzer, a 16th century reformer and contemporary of Luther, is often portrayed with a rainbow flag in his hand.

      Rainbow flags have been used by pre-Columbian cultures, as the Buddhist flag, in the Cooperative Movement which began in 1921, to honor Meher Baba, as part of Italy's, Peace movement beginning in 1961, the Bene Ohr Jewish movement of the same year, as a symbol for the Wu-Wo Tea Ceremony, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, the Pachakutik political party, the Patriots of Russia political party, and Noahidism.

      How do you know that Jesus didn't mean it to represent gays all this time and the lord just hasn't revealed it to you yet? Wasn't Revelations written by John, Jesus' brother? It's in the bible so it's true. You've made a believer out of me! Hallelujah!

      May 31, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  14. mandarax

    Sorry for the cut and paste, but disparaging falsehoods like those of "Paul" below should be called out for what they are – lies. The following is from Psychology Today:

    Criminal Behavior:

    Citing four different studies, Zuckerman states: "Murder rates are actually lower in more secular nations and higher in more religious nations where belief in God is widespread." He also states: "Of the top 50 safest cities in the world, nearly all are in relatively non-religious countries."

    Within the United States, we see the same pattern. Citing census data, he writes: "And within America, the states with the highest murder rates tend to be the highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates tend to be the among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon."

    And these findings are not limited to murder rates, as rates of all violent crime tend to be higher in "religious" states. Zuckerman also points out that atheists are very much under-represented in the American prison population (only 0.2%).

    Marriage and Family:

    Zuckerman cites a 1999 Barna study that finds that atheists and agnostics actually have lower divorce rates than religious Americans.

    He also cites another study, in Canada, that found conservative Christian women experienced higher rates of domestic violence than non-affiliated women.

    Other Findings of Interest:

    Happiness: The most secular nations in the world report the highest levels of happiness among their population.

    Altruism: Secular nations such as those in Scandinavia donate the most money and supportive aid, per capita, to poorer nations. Zuckerman also reports that two studies show that, during the Holocaust, "the more secular people were, the more likely they were to rescue and help persecuted Jews."

    Outlooks and Values: Zuckerman, citing numerous studies, shows that atheists and agnostics, when compared to religious people, are actually less likely to be nationalistic, racist, anti-Semitic, dogmatic, ethnocentric, and authoritarian. Secularism also correlates to higher education levels. Atheists and other secular people are also much more likely to support women's rights and gender equality, as well as gay and lesbian rights. Religious individuals are more likely to support government use of torture.

    May 31, 2012 at 1:24 am |
    • Evangelical

      You talk about secular nations. You left out one very important fact: more people in secular nations are going to be burning in hell. You cannot serve 2 masters, God and man. You must choose God over all else.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • Bet

      Evangelical, you left out one important fact. Nobody has to believe in anything they don't want to, including your god.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • sam stone

      Evangelical is full of empty proxy threats......and lots and lots of anger.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • Mark

      Very thoughtful set of words. Just take the Middle-East, assuming for a moment that followers of the majority religions of that region are very "pious", "religious", "God Fearing" and a model set of people, the Middle-East should be the best place to live in, reality is just the opposite.

      Secular and democratic parts of the world are actually safer and better places to live. Secular here does not mean religion is not allowed (that would be the old Communist states), it means places where religious freedom is available, and no one objects to religious faith as long as it is within the boundaries of a personal life.

      May 31, 2012 at 6:02 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Evangelical needs to be ra.ped an.ally with an ax handle, sideways. By RuPaul.

      May 31, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      GC, you are a shameless, de-sp-icable worm of a man! You try to put up a civilized fa-cade, but you can't hide for long who you really are! Honestly, I believe there are people on this Earth who have lost something which made them human: They have lost their souls. And indeed, there are some here who fit this desc-ription! And then you say God is unjust for letting them go to that place of the da-mned, called Hell? No, if He didn't, He would not be God of justice!!!

      May 31, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Galactica

      Looks like someone missed his nap time today.

      May 31, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Oh, yeah, PRISM 1234, I suppose you'd never say sh!t if you had a mouthful! Everybody swears. And everybody lies.
      I, personally, don't give a drowning rat's @$$ if you think I'm shameless, and you can't tell me you're all nicey-nicey to people face-to-face. I don't care who I insult or who I offend! I say whatever crosses my mind with NO filters. Online, AND in real life. So, f*#k you. F*#k you with a Bouncing Betty. If you even know what a Bouncing Betty is.

      May 31, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I agree, Bet. He missed his naptime. Cranky little trailer-trash son of a beeyotch, ain't he? He needs to be blind-sided with a bus mirror.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Have Barry Bonds use his cranium for batting practice.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Speak on, buster! You represent your kind very well...You're the picture of what entertains dumb, gullible Americans!
      Just one more reason than none of my $$$$$ will ever go to support the garbage that comes out of your fake, diseased world, that feeds the dumb masses!
      You are snake in a bag, GC, but you can't fool everyone!

      May 31, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Keep it up, PRIZ. Your indignance is my amusement.
      And, since you're posting on a CNN page, I as.sume you watch CNN on cable (or satellite), and if you're watching CNN on cable, you're paying a subscription fee, thereby paying for CNN. CNN is owned by Time Warner, and I work for Warner Bros. Pictures. So, indirectly, you're money is direct-deposited to my bank account. I'll wait to see how fast you cancel your cable.

      May 31, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahahhhahahha! Prissy's having a melt-down! Or is it a hissy-fit?

      It's hard to tell with that moron.

      May 31, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Bet

      I think it's a prissy fit.

      May 31, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • Bet

      And "you're a snake in a bag"? Dafuq?

      May 31, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I know, right? Co.ming from a freak on a leash!
      I'm glad I finally got under the skin of that imperious do.uchenozzle. Took long enough. Y'know, I don't think he's an American now, either.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  15. Simon

    Echowell....try and listen ok? The percentage of Christians that believe in a message that is cruel, very legalistic and racist are a minority. I have been a christian for 28 years and I have never heard someone who knows they are loved by God ever question the morality issues of the bible....it is a personal relationship – and it is more fulfilling than anything on the planet. Not church – but God himself. I have heard His audible voice and seen miracles right in front of my eyes....You are basing your belief on peoples behavior as Bet is...........instead of just being with Jesus alone at the beach and talking to him. You have to bipass people if you want all of the answers you are looking for

    May 31, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • Dr. Gener

      God told me to love my neighbor, so I did... and now their telling me we can't get married. I call shenanigans.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:56 am |
    • Dr. Gener

      God told me to love my neighbor, so I did... and now they're* telling me we can't get married. I call shenanigans.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • Bet

      "Try and listen, ok?"

      What a nice, condescending opening statement there, Simon. How in the heII do you know what my journey was like? How do you know what I did or didn't do? You are so typical of the arrogant, pious christians blindly following a god who acts like a spoiled brat and a book that fills you with nothing but ignorance and hate. You have no real conscience of your own and buy into it because someone once told you that it's so.

      So you've never heard of someone who's a "real christian" question the bible, have you? Why would anyone who is having doubts about their beliefs confide in you when you display such a self righteous, pompous att.itude? Oh, just walk on a beach and talk to Jesus. What a cop out!

      May 31, 2012 at 2:14 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      If I walked up to somebody and said "I've heard Xenu's voice and seen his wonderful miracles" they'd probably throw me in a loony bin.

      May 31, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • harry

      Bet.....it is a shame all of things that happened to you – but that does not give you the right to attack the christian community at the level you are to try to justify how you have survived. You are representing humanity in a vicious way – very sad

      May 31, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Bet

      @ harry

      I was responding specifically to Simon and his assumptions about me. He is representing christianity in a most vicious way – very sad.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Jaques, you wouldn't be tossed in the psych ward here. The Church of Scientology owns an old skyscra.per on Hollywood Boulevard, and up and down the boulevard it seems like there's a Scientology Reading Room every 2-3 blocks.

      May 31, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  16. Paul

    This is a very good summary of God's word. And I agree the Church in main stream religion have failed to teach truth. To teach the truth of God's word takes courage as the majority of mankind would rather believe the lie.

    According to the Bible, Satan’s argument was that we don't need God, we can make our own choices without his guidance. So how have we been doing that for the last 6 thousand years?
    I hope you non-believers in a God are proud of yourselves. In 2008 Science Daily reported that 50% of all species on earth are disappearing, 137 species disappear from the Earth each day.
    A "plastic soup" of waste floating in the Pacific Ocean is growing at an alarming rate and now covers an area twice the size of the continental United States, scientists have said.
    Do I need to go on? What a mess. We have got to the stage of threatening the very existence of the human race. Hey well done.
    I say I want God back thanks.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:56 am |
    • harry

      So true Paul.....the truth hurts. We have made a mess.....down here with our free will. Take a look at human behavior where there is no active government....like Somalia, and many other places. More freedom – no boundaries....and little children get subjected to things that are unimaginable...all over the planet

      May 31, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • Ricky Stevens

      Yeah... God put all that trash in the ocean and slowly but surely it's going to get us. Then look at what He did down in South American. Cutting down all those trees, destroying habitats. Should we even get into all of that smog He puts in the air? Anyway Paul, keep up the good work. Spending all of those hours on your computer are really going to pay off. I mean, why are those scientists even bothering to try do things like cure disease? What they need to be doing is praying more and typing more. God only gave us a short amount of time, and we need to realize that we should be spending that time making sure other people are falling in line.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:00 am |
    • Bet

      So because I don't believe in god, that makes me a litterbug too? Laughable.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • max3333444555

      great. theres some negatives in the world. there is also some amazing and wonderous things created by man. i wont even type a list because it would go on until my keyboard wore out.

      even your religion was created by man. the concept of god in the image of man was developed late. the first instances of "god" were based on amorphous concepts or nature. its only later when man decides that god should be recreated in his image that we get religions like judeaism, christianity, etc.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • max3333444555

      oh, and that 6000 year thing – amazing that there are such uneducated folks that actually believe this nonsense. carbon dating is based on the same rate of decay used to measure time in atomic clocks, which we still consider the most accurate way of measuring time. the whole 6000 year thing ignores proven science.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Bet

      @ max3333444555

      Religion has ignored proven science throughout history, so it's not surprising that they believe the 6000 years foolishness. They've only recently been dragged kicking and screaming into the 14th century.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  17. veggiedude

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqKb5ViN_Q?feature=player_embedded&w=640&h=360%5D

    May 31, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • Paul

      What's it about?

      May 31, 2012 at 1:00 am |
  18. Paul

    Echo: But if God were real, I'd still disagree with him
    Think through that statement again!
    You speak of your conscience. The conscience is the greatest argument for a God. An internal judge which weighs the matters of the heart and the mind, condemning or liberating us. This is truly a gift from God. Reading the Bible sharpens our conscience. Denying a God dulls our conscience which in turn allows us to do things unfitting, such as stealing, murder, r@pe and gays.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Paul

      The churches are not good examples of keeping a good conscience as their record proves. But they have turned away from the true God and like politicians, preach what is popular. Not what God says.
      Following the Bible is truly liberating. Even Christians in the 1st Century changed from being gays to accept God's standard, as many have today. Of course this is a choice they make personally, serving God should never be forced.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Evangelical

      Amen, Paul. You know what you are talking about.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • mandarax

      "Denying a God dulls our conscience which in turn allows us to do things unfitting, such as stealing, murder, r@pe and gays."

      That just brings us back to that tired old lie that people who don't believe in god commit more crimes and immoral acts (I'll ignore for now that you list being gay as equivalent to rape and murder). I hear that repeated over and over with absolutely no regard for the fact that it is simply not true. Show me any statistic that demonstrates that atheists commit more crimes than believers. What you are saying is made up, fabricated, BS, a lie. And yet it keeps being said over and over.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • harry

      Liberating, amazing, total joy.....walking with the Lord is the fulfillment of every soul

      May 31, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • Bet

      Wrong. If you believe in god and the bible, there's no need for conscience. God and the bible tell you what to do and when to do it. You don't have to think, just follow.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:16 am |
    • Evangelical

      You need to examine your conscience, Bet.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:09 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Denying a God dulls our conscience which in turn allows us to do things unfitting, such as stealing, murder, r@pe and gays."

      The only problem with your lame argument is people don't choose to be gay, it's biological. Being gay isn't a choice, it's not a mental illness and it can't be voluntarily changed. Nowhere in your bible does your god condemn the saved loving long term relationship of a gay couple as we know and understand it today. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      May 31, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Bet

      Evangelical – You need to stop telling people what to think.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • max3333444555

      your feelings and opinions are great for you. firs of all, no human in the bible ever got cast into a pit of fire. its a myth that hell is a place to burn for eternity. dante and locke helped promote this concept.

      heaven may be a wonderful place... if you are inclined to be a sychophant singing praise to god for eternity. to you, as a christian, this may sound wonderful. to me, it sounds like hell....

      May 31, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Scriptures are very clear aabouat that God has imprinted His laws on our human consciences, so that by them we are able to know right from wrong.
      But because the love of sin in their hearts, people have silenced the voices of their own consciences, denying them to the point of being dead. That's when God turns them over to reprobate minds, and they believe a Lie!

      See for yourself what Jesus Christ said. It is peculiar taht first few verses of what Christ said here are quoted very often, but not so with the rest of them. Man does NOT WANT to know.....that's the reason!
      But this is what Christ had to say:
      " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

      18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” (JOHN 3:16-21)

      And the Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of Truth testifies it to be so!

      May 31, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Bet

      PrissyPants1234 just repeats the same bible verses over and over thinking that the more often you say it, the more true it becomes.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • SLArbiter

      @ Paul

      Religion has no monopoly on morality. If anything, religion is far more likely to give a person license to do horrible things to other people than a lack of belief in a deity. After all, if you truly believed that god told you to do something, you would feel compelled to do it regardless of how depraved/bigoted/racist/counterproductive it was.

      I see conscience is a strong argument AGAINST god. The feeling that something is right or wrong without having to think about how the consequences will affect you in the afterlife. The fact that you don't need a book or a set of laws chiseled on a set of tablets to tell you how to live your life.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  19. Caleb

    A well-written article on the issue.

    We, as Christians, have to remember however that it is not our job to force any body of people to believe or follow laws that adhere to something they don't believe in. When you think about it, it does not make any sense. If anything, it will only cause them to distance themselves from that belief system and those who follow it.

    Our job is to spread God's love through the Gospel of Jesus Christ and keep the grace flowing, even when people choose not to accept God's gift. Let God be God, folks.

    May 30, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Thank you! See, the more I'm pushed, the harder I push back. And I may not be proud of it, but sometimes, similar scenarios have ended with the party doing the pushing needing dental implants. Yeah. I push back that hard.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • echowell

      yep, because xians are digging in their heels, they're being exposed as bigots by people with better morality. Due to the campaign of hate that some churches have embarked upon, and due to the outrageous silence and complicity of the supposed liberal religious who didn't take their good name back from the hate groups, religion is less popular, less respected, and less relevant now than ever before. The upcoming generation is going to be the least religious in generations. Thank you for both the crazed raging against the rights of your neighbours, and the fence-sitting when you should have stood up for what's right, including womens' rights, science education, gender equality, gay marriage, and rational thinking. Thanks for defunding womens' healthcare, inexplicably raging against harmless po-rn, guaranteeing teenage pregnancies and STDs, and denying AIDS, climate change, and evolution.

      You've done a good enough job of driving people away already, but I hope the trend will continue.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
  20. Arvoasitis

    A nasty habit that has served theologians for ages is to take an unconvincing theological argument, present the weakest possible counter-argument and weaken the counter-argument further by distorting it, then claim that the theological argument must be correct since there is no counter-argument to it. The laws of the Old Testament were a backward and barbaric version of the laws Hammurabi gave to Babylon (the world's first empire), just as the laws of Hammurabi were a backward version of the laws of Sumer (the world's first civilization). All three sets of laws allegedly came from God (or, at least, a high god).

    May 30, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
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