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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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Apparently Pastor Worley is pretty ignorant of basic biology. A man and a woman don't need to be in a relationship for a man's sperm to fertilize a woman's egg. My wife and I are good friends with a lesbian couple, one of whom had a son via IVF. People like Worley are one of the very few things I detest about the US.
He said to seperate the f a gs and lessies.
Draw that family tree out, ONE had a son, the other is a glorified step-mother.
christian taliban......
he prolly dines on altar boi milk just like all the other gay bashing priests...
Why an electric fence? It'd be cheaper just to build wooden crosses and throw em up on there.
He probably owns stock in a fencing company..
Put them inside of a fence and wait for them to die out? Didn't some guy in Germany try that? He is right though, gay people don't reproduce – so where are all the new ones coming from? Either they are found under cabbage leaves or they are born to straight people. Maybe we should do something about straight people then. They seem to be the cause of all of these gay people.
Yep, and that guy in German was a conservative christian too who was also against abortion and not a big fan of democracy either. Makes you wonder don't it.
Hitler was not a Christian. No evidence of that whatsoever.
@topher:
Raised by a skeptic Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother, Adolf Hitler ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.
So, yeah, there is proof.
Sorry Topher but there is plenty.
Mein Kampf...."I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
Munich 1922...."My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. "
Munich 1923.."In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has kept its profound validity until the present day. "
Berlin 1928.."We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people. "
some of many examples.
Hmmmm....
"Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf: "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." "
And how is any of that Christian? Just because you call yourself one doesn't mean you follow its teachings.
"And how is any of that Christian? Just because you call yourself one doesn't mean you follow its teachings."
He declared himself to be one. His interpretation differed from yours. Thats all you can claim.
I am in my garage. I am a car.
I read the bible/go to a christian church. I am a christian.
@ Topher
Poor logic..
How is any of that NOT Christian? Just because you say it isn’t one doesn’t mean that’s the case. Face it .. you fail and got called out on it. Get over it.
I didn't get called on anything. Nothing Hitler did shows he's a Christian. If I call myself a Christian but follow Buddah then I'm not a Christian. It doesn't matter what MY interpretation is. It matters what the Bible says. And no rational person can see the things Hitler did and say he was a follower of Jesus Christ.
Topher, you're ent-itled to believe whatever it is that you like, but the scary thing to me and many others is that you're allowed to vote. Most of us are trying to live our lives, raise our families, seek education, promote tolerance and diversity, you know, coexist and all. What you espouse is hateful, intolerant, and seeks to undue the success and progress of many great Americans.
So, once again, feel free to believe whatever it is that you wish. But do not be surprised when people will stand up against your hate. Don't be surprised as the number of Christians keeps falling, and the number of open-minded individuals keeps increasing.
Best of luck to you. I hope one day you're able to see your religion for what it really is: a control mechanism.
"Nothing Hitler did shows he's a Christian. If I call myself a Christian but follow Buddah then I'm not a Christian. It doesn't matter what MY interpretation is. It matters what the Bible says. And no rational person can see the things Hitler did and say he was a follower of Jesus Christ"
Sorry but still your interpretation only. He called himself christian and claimed to follow god, not buddah. And what the bible says is your interpretation as well. The bible was used for a long time as justification for slavery but now it isnt. Why? what changed? the bible sure as heck didnt. The Spanish Inquisition believed they were also doing god's work but is condemned now. Interpretation of the bible is key.
The pastor in this video spouts his hate, another pastor has come out and condemned him. Both will use the bible for justification for their response. Only one can be right so which one is the real christian and which one is the fake?
Ah Topher, how I love people who post replies to things they have no understanding or knowledge of. Try doing a little research before you post; you might just end up looking like slightly less of a moron.
@Topher
Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria. That's where he started getting his crazy ideas that the Jews were responsible for the crucifiction of some dude named Christ.
Topher I guess my question to you is why do Christians get a pass, but Muslims do not? I am not a religious person, so I am relying on your expertise in this matter. Anytime a Muslim commits an act of violence and hatred, the entire religion is painted as a violent and evil religion. When in actuality they are in general a peaceful people. But when a Christian commits an act of violence and hatred, it is immediately removed from realm of Christianity? How does that work? How is it that every fanatical Muslim is acting on behalf of his/her religion as a whole, but any Christian fanatic is a rogue that is operating completely outside of the realm of the religion and their actions can not be placed under the label of Christianity?
Hi, tuamike. These are fair questions. I don't know a whole lot about Islam, so it would probably be unfair of me to comment on their beliefs. But I'll try to talk about the Christian side of this to the best of my abilities. Let me start with a scenario. For instance, let's say someone blows up a clinic (you know which kind I mean.) The media later reports that the guilty man is a Christian. We Christians get all defensive and say "no, he isn't." The reason is Christians ... true Christians who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ ... would never say it's ok to kill someone. And here's why. If someone died in the clinic that wasn't saved they'd be going to Hell. We don't wish for anyone to go there. And so by them living they'd have the chance to repent and trust in the savior. You might have heard of the great commissison. That means we are to tell everyone of the great news of the gospel. And the gospel says that no matter what evil you have done in your life, no matter what great sin you have done, there is forgiveness in Christ. You can go to Heaven if you repent and trust in Him. So that is our priority. We don't go off killing anyone who does something we don't like. We'd rather give you a gospel tract.
Does that make sense and answer your question?
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Topher,
Do you realize that King James had 700 wives? Did you also know the meaning of the word "Traditional Marriage"?
Traditional marriage, according to Deuteronomy, means that a man who rapped a woman is required to marry her.
My dad is dead and I'd thank you not to make fun of him.
"Do you realize that King James had 700 wives? Did you also know the meaning of the word "Traditional Marriage"?"
I did not know that. But that fact does not make the gospel any less true. So what is your point?
"Traditional marriage, according to Deuteronomy, means that a man who rapped a woman is required to marry her."
Thanks for the information. Can you give me the chapter and verse so I can study up on it?
So what you are saying is you don't believe in miracles. Obviously you don't believe in God, but IF there is a God then He could make any of these things happen.
Believe me, as a former atheist I get where you are coming from. The problem is you are giving too much credit to man to have just made up the Bible. You have more than 40 authors writing 66 books over thousands of years all on the same story ... and yet there isn't one error or contradiction from one to the next. You take a work like a gnostic gospel and we can tell right away it isn't what it claims. It contradicts other books and was written too late. Take the greatest authors in the world and they never could come up with it. Nor would they want to. Let's face it, the Bible makes its authors out to be bad people and not too smart. And judging by all the hatred on just this very message board it isn't something people like. So who would write it unless it's true.
You also say it is to control masses of people. Who is being controlled? I'm not forcing you to believe in Christ. I think we can look at the miracle of creation and tell that there must be a Creator. You seem to deny that fact. That's up to you. I hope you repent in trust in the Savior, but what would be my reason except you going to Heaven? I don't want your money nor am I asking you to go to my church. Actually, it benefits me nothing.
Do you even know what the gospel is?
Topher,
you do realize the bible was written nearly 300 years after Jesus' death right? Up to that point is was carried by word-of-mouth. Think about that for a moment and see if you can comprehend how much time it is. Why does that matter you asked... well can you remember something that happened to YOU a year ago and give an exact account of it? Imagine what that simple story, let alone the entire bible, have morphed into just one year later. How much will your story about what had happened to you will be changed if it had to be told couple of generations later. Simple logic amigo. Simple logic.
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Actually, the Bible was completed somewhere between 69-90 AD. Not 300 years. And they weren't passed around just by word of mouth. Paul's letters, for instance were written words that were passed from church to church. So you have some misinformation there. Sorry.
LOL! Hey I'm straight leave me out of it. No gay hating here though!
Interesting how you point out Hitler's earlier life. If you dig deeper you will find he turned into a mystic embracing more the aryan ideal far removed from Christiandom. But yes he was raised as a Chrisitian and yes he did say things quite hateful while proclaiming Christ. But later he turned into a creature truer to his heart and embraced the greater aryan people with this new ideal . Hardly christian but once again truer to his real mindset than before. People do evolve or devolve as they get older:Just see the number of former Chrisitans here who now claim to be athiests..
"you do realize the bible was written nearly 300 years after Jesus' death right"
simply false... We have the writings of the early church fathers amongst others to indicate that the books that make up the bible were not carried by oral tradition. Now if one is taking about the how the canon was established than yes the books we call the bible were agreed upon as canon later. But the record begins much earlier.
"you do realize the bible was written nearly 300 years after Jesus' death right"
simply false... We have the writings of the early church fathers amongst others to indicate that the books that make up the bible were not carried by oral tradition and written later. Now if one is taking about the how the canon was established than yes the books we call the bible were agreed upon as canon later. But the record begins much earlier.
Perfectly said...
Raised by a skeptic Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother, Adolf Hitler ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.
and by Tophers logic this pasture is not a christian either.... but wait he is perscuting and declaring people heretics which 100% makes hima christian just like hitler and just like the spanish massacring incas and mayans..... exactly what christians do... if there is blood on your hands it is a good sign u r a christian.
@Topher – this pastor and those that follow him call themselves Christian, but they do not follow the teachings of Christ. That is a big problem with religion...it becomes something it was not supposed to be, because of the people that twist it and use it to their own ends. God and spirituality get lost in the same greed & lust for control that characterizes gov'ts and the followers, looking for validation of their own self-worth and eternal life, play along nicely.
Actually, the bible was not 'completed' in 65 AD. The first book was written around that time and others (including those tossed by the Catholic church) were written as late as 300 years after the death of Christ. What makes the BIble, uh, a poor historical source is the rewritings and modifications made by the Catholic Church, the Roman Emperor Constantine and all of the scribes who translated the writings (they made errors and took orders from the Church to change things). No one knows what the original books looked like anymore.
@Ladylaureli
Anytime a Christian (or Muslim for that matter) does something another person from their religion disagrees with..then they are not a ‘real’ Christian (or Muslim) never mind they both believe and worship the same deity. It is only the posters interpretation and opinion of the ‘right way’ to be a Christian (or Muslim) that matters. Just as if you asked the WBC about these jebus is love posters.. THEY are not real Christians. It’s yet another form of cherry picking.
The big problem with religion is people still believe in this nonsense.
@Topher
He wasn’t making fun of your father. He was making fun of you. Both your facts and your logic are so far off as the be humorous.
Hi Ladylaureli
You are right. Man is very capable of doing evil things. We lie, steal and cheat to get what we want. We even murder to that ends. But what about you? Have you ever told a lie? Take something that didn't belong to you? Looked with lust at someone who wasn't your spouce? Ever hate someone? Jesus said that if you hate someone, you've committed murder in your heart. How will you do on judgment day? The Bible says none of us are good, "no, not one." We'll all be guilty. But those of us that have a Savior will be viewed as clean and get to go to Heaven. Isaiah 1:18 says "... though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Isn't that a wonderful gift?
Ladylaureli
Actually, we do know the dates of the Bible books. For instance, James, the earliest book of the NT, was written around 45-49 AD while Revelation, the latest, was written between 94-96 AD. We have more than 5,000 Greek New Testament manuscripts, some written to within 25-50 years of the original. So yes, we do know what the originals looked like. In fact, New Testament textual scholars have concluded that 99.99 percent of the original writings have been reclaimed and that the remaining one hundredth of one percent has no variants affecting any Christian doctrines.
So, sorry, you've been given some misinformation. In fact, we have more secular writings from that time saying Jesus was real than we have writing talking about Julius Caesar. And I bet you believe he existed.
>So, sorry, you've been given some misinformation. In fact, we have more secular writings from that time saying Jesus was real than we have writing talking about Julius Caesar. And I bet you believe he existed
Source?
Tom
"@Topher
He wasn’t making fun of your father. He was making fun of you. Both your facts and your logic are so far off as the be humorous."
C'mon, man! Are you just going to call names or are you going to back it up? What fact do I have wrong? Why is my logic off? Tell me where I'm wrong.
Tom, Tom the Piper's Son
First, it was Tiberius, not Caesar, but still ... here's the source and the quote ...
"Just how many non-Christian sources are there that mention Jesus? Including Josephus, there are ten known non-Christian writers who mention Jesus within 150 years of his life. By contrast, over the same 150 years, there are nine non-Christian sources who mention Tiberius Caesar, the Roman emperor at the time of Jesus. So discounting all the Christian sources, Jesus is actually mentinoed by one more source than the Roman emperor. If you include the Christian sources, authors mentioning Jesus outnumber those mentioning Tiberius 43 to 10!"
From "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist" by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek
And this guy still enjoys his tax-exempt status because if you tried to revoke it for breaking the rules, you're going to get whines of "christian opperssion" as if it's oppressive to take away special priviliges.
If there was ever a case where losing tax-exempt status was appropriate it's this one! I see no political risk for the remover; anyone who subscribes to this Bigot's philosophy is already a lost cause –
CNN announced last night that due to his political statement that he would not be voting for Obama, he may have violated his right to tax-exempt status. The IRS apparently will be looking in to this.
If there's any justice left in this world, this loon's tax-exempt status will be immediately stripped. Against the law to advocate politically and claim that status!
Churches have said more extreme things and have kept their tax-exempt status. I haven't heard of any conservative church ever losing it despite repeated voliations of the rules. Whenever someone tries the right wing media is alive with whines of how christianity is being oppressed by the secular left or some other nonsesne. It's the same thing that always happens when someone challenges christianity's special rights.
If you say Christianity is a religion of hate then you've not read the Bible. God is "so hateful" that He came and died for us so we can go to Heaven instead of Hell. Yeah, you're right. So hateful. We are all such good people. After all, what is lying, and stealing, and blasphemy, and adultery and murder anyway? Why must God require perfection of us to enter His perfect kingdom?
Ridiculousness.
God is so kind and gracious and loving He saw how bad we all are and provided a way. He sent His Son who lived a perfect, sinless life (which none of us could do) and give Himself up to die. Despite His innocense He was accused of blashemy. He was punched, spit upon, slapped, had His beard ripped from His face, mocked, horribly beaten to within an inch of His life, had thorns pushed into His scalp and when that wasn't enough He was crucified and had a spear thrust through Him.
But I'm guessing since you don't know your Bible you don't know what that all means, either. Imagine you're in a court and are found guilty of a major crime. You owe $5 million or life in prison. You can't pay, so off to jail you go. When someone comes into the courtroom and say "Here's the money. Let him go." You see, now the judge can let you go home. The debt is paid. That's what Jesus' death did. He paid your fine so you don't have to go to prison (Hell). And to receive this gift, all you have to do is repent (not just say you are sorry, but turn away from sins) and trust in Him to be your Savior. That doesn't sound like hate to me. That sounds like LOVE!
If your god is so kind and loving, tell us what he commanded his followers to do to the Cannanites.
Yeah, lots of love there until you take a closer look without rose-colored glasses.
You know, I stopped believing in fairy tales and imaginary friends when I was about 10. What is your stance on Jack and the Beanstalk?
I know my bible. It's called my brain. You should try to use yours sometime, and stop falling back to mythology and fairy tales.
It's a contrived fairy tale. He created sinners and then died for our sins? Talk to me after you're done riding around in a whale for 3 days.
Sorry Topher,
Jesus did not lead a sinless life, that was the whole point. Read the bible.
Sorry but god in the OT is a total psycho. Wiping out cities, telling his followers to kill every living thing, telling tribes they can steal the women from other tribes and force them to become their wives. Killing children etc. Heck he even wiped out the world with a flood.
sounds narcissistic to me
Alverant ... My response is they deserved it. Just like you and I deserve it for not obeying the God of the universe. But to you and I, so far, He has shown compassion and grace in not killing us so that we can turn toward Him and not our sins. He is giving us a chance. And I thank Him for His graciousness.
So how is being condemned at birth for so-called sins of Adam and Eve requiring the impaling of the "son of God" for forgiveness supposed to equal love in the first place?
Art ... show me on place where Jesus sinned.
irene ... How many times in your life have you lied? Just take a guess at the number. Have you ever stolen anything. No, it doesn't matter how long ago it was or how little the value. Have you ever used God's name like a cuss-word? That's very serious. How about this one? Jesus said if you look at someone with lust, you've committed adultery with that person in your heart. Have you ever done that? You're a sinner just like me, the king of all wretches. I've broken every Commandment and I bet you have broken them as well. So you cannot blame Adam and Eve when you've broken His laws yourself.
You're not going to win over hearts and minds here by ignoring reality. Does the bible preach love and forgiveness? Sure. Does it also preach hate and intolerance? Also sure. Or perhaps you think we should still be stoning our women to death.
If Christians were content to live their happy lives in their faith I wouldn't have a problem with it. When I start having problems is when Christians try to make me live by THEIR beliefs and faith. I don't want it. If I go to hell for eternity because of it – well, that's my choice: leave me to it.
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are part of the Holy Trinity.
It is the same being in different forms. It says so in your precious little book. You know? The same book that we are told is real, all of it, without question, forever and ever amen?
What God is, so is Jesus.
What Jesus is, so is the Holy Spirit.
What the Holy Spirit is, so is God.
When you speak of one, you're speaking about all, so don't give me this garbage about how Jesus preached love, and his teachings are all that matters, becuase you're also taught that God's word is divine and absolute, the ten commandments are paramount, and that the Holy Code was given to us by a being that never changes, will always be, and always has been.
God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is a hypocritical two-faced (three faced?) liar.
It's not my fault X-tianity has so many god ddamed loopholes and is full of piles of BS.
"You don't get it." "You're misinterpreting!" "That was metaphor [even though other X-tians cite it as hard fact and literal]." "Well, of course THAT was literal [even though other X-tians cite it as metaphor and rhetoric]."
Stop blaming others for the faults of X-tianity, especially when yu can't back up any claim of your religion with any kind of rational, reasonable evidence. It's a fairy tale made up by men to control the masses.
"Love me or suffer. Worship me or die. Believe in me or burn."
God is a fascist dictator. God is a bully and an extortionist. God is a cruel, cold 10 year old boy torturing the animals in his captivity.
I think I know the Bible pretty well. The phrase "Judge not, lest you be judged." comes to mind. More importantly, a religion, any religion, should not be judged by the written words but by the acts and behavior of the participants. . Pastor Worley is no better than his words and acts. Those Christians who stand passively by as he spews his hate , for what ever reason, should feel shame.
Can we watch our language? There's no reason we can't all be adults and have a conversation like adults.
The Holy Trinity is Father, Son and Holy Spirit and they are all God in One, yes.
You call God a liar and make other accusations but you don't back them up. What don't you like?
Also, you are wrong in saying you must believe in God or burn. That's not how it works. God doesn't send you to Hell for not believing in Christ. He sends you to Hell because you have sinned against Him and deserve it. Jesus Christ, though, paid your fine so you don't have to go to Hell and you need a Savior to get out of going there. In a way, God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You choose it by shaking your fist at Him.
Steve, I disagree. You should never judge a religion by the actions or words of a person. You must judge it on its beliefs, in this case, the Bible. If I proclaim to be a Christian by secretly go out and raping a woman every weekend, I wouldn't really be a Christian. Just because someone says they are something but does something contrary doesn't make the religion any less or more. You can judge me on my actions, but not Christianity. For that, you have to open the book and judge it on its own teachings. (I hope I'm clear on all of that.)
God bless you, Topher for pointing out the ONLY truth. It is sad to see so many make comments condemning what they think of GOD verses studying what He expects. They know not what they say and they do not seek the only truth. They don't realize they are in grave danger by committing the one sin that IS NOT pardonable – rejecting GOD's gift. All true Christians can do is to use the ultimate power, and that is prayer. Pray for all those that are lost and don't know it. God bless you, all!
@ Cain,
By following your religion, you're committing thousands of divine infractions against the other religions that have tainted our world at one time or another. What makes your religion so special? Only time and education will allow it to fade into the history books like all religions before it.
"You call God a liar and make other accusations but you don't back them up. What don't you like?"
If I were standing before you, I'd take my copy of the bible, (which I HAVE read), throw it at your feet and say, "There. The lies, the hypocrisy, the conveniently-subjective passages; it's all right there."
The whole thing is a lie, and I won't waste my time citing hundreds of examples that have been thrown in the face of X-tians for thousands of years.
I have better things to do than wait for you to challenge and insult my intelligence by claiming I do not understand a book I have read several times. And more to the point, your entire last paragraph demonstrates one of the bigest problems with X-tianity: interpretation. You claim I have it wrong. Well guess what – you're the one who is wrong depending on which X-tian you ask. And since you're all X-tians, all with a completely differen consensus, you're all just as wrong.
You're wrong about your own religion! How does that feel?
But, since Sam Harris is much more charismatic than I am, and ultimately more even-tempered in the face fascist, oppressive, theocracy, I'll just leave this gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcO4TnrskE0&feature=related
Lastly, there's only 1 question I ever want any X-tian to answer: Why can your religion simply not permit others to live their life as they see fit, provided no harm is coming to others, instead of meddling, controlling, and oppressing them under an unproven belief system that they do not share?
@ Cain
Hey, know of a flying magic purple unicorn that brings truth and light, and has sacrificed the life of its only foal for your sins.
Why do you reject this wonderful gift? Why do you deny the truth? All it wants is for you to worship, love, and devote your life to it under the threat of eternal suffering of your immortal soul in the dark acid pits that are the stomach of a giant worm that we call Hell.
It's right here in this book. Since it's in a book, it must be true. Don't deny it!
I think you missed the point. Certain Biblical passages, taken out of context by quasi-educated preachers, turn the Bible into a hate-filled spewing of rhetoric. That is exactly what this guy has done, and all those "Amen" during his hate-filled diatribe means other quasi-educated are being educated with hate-filled rhetoric.
Seems this pastor skipped the Book of Matthew. Matthew 7:1-7:5. Should we lock is entire flock behind an electrified fence so they cannot reproduce and do no more harm?
AndriconBoy
"The whole thing is a lie, and I won't waste my time citing hundreds of examples that have been thrown in the face of X-tians for thousands of years."
So you don't have any examples. You can argue with me all you want. But if you're just gonna say "Well, people have been making arguments for thousands of years" but not point out any yourself, how am I supposed to respond?
"You're wrong about your own religion! How does that feel?"
That feels like ... a typical atheist argument. You aren't hurting my feelings for disagreeing. I think you're wrong. So I guess we agree on something. 🙂
"Lastly, there's only 1 question I ever want any X-tian to answer: Why can your religion simply not permit others to live their life as they see fit, provided no harm is coming to others, instead of meddling, controlling, and oppressing them under an unproven belief system that they do not share?"
You can ask me anything you want to. I love the subject of Christianity. Now, there's far too much to answer on a message board but I'll try to do my best to answer your question in a brief way ... Firstly, because you and I are equal and live in this country we each get a say in laws and whatnot. My say, to the best of my ability, is going to line up with God and His standards. So if you wonder why I can never vote for these marriage laws, it's because of that. You might think that's not fair to some people, but it would be equally unfair to me if those laws were passed. So it's basically coming down to voting. I have the right to vote just as you do. If I voted in favor of the marriage laws, that would be me saying it's ok to do those things. Secondly, you have every right to live your life the way you see fit as long as you aren't breaking any laws. My belief says that if you are sinning and you die without a Savior you will be punished in Hell. I care enough for you to tell you about that. If I didn't tell you, that would be awfully mean of me. But I warn you in love. It's up to you to decide whether you want to believe or not. I can't force you. Neither will God force you. It's your choice.
I hope I answered that for you. If not, I can attempt to further explain. And if you have any other questions, please ask.
Before I can debate you, Topher, I'd like to know which version of the bible you're using. There are so many to choose from! Also, do you count the dead sea scrolls and other works that humans decided to not use when the Council of Nicea convened? Or which Council of Nicea I should say, there were several.
Hi, gad. Debate away. 🙂
"Before I can debate you, Topher, I'd like to know which version of the bible you're using. There are so many to choose from!"
I use the Christian Bible. I prefer King James, but I also use the English Standard translation.
"Also, do you count the dead sea scrolls and other works that humans decided to not use when the Council of Nicea convened? Or which Council of Nicea I should say, there were several."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dead sea scrolls were not used at Nicea because they were only just discovered in the 1900s. And I think the scrolls pretty much confirm the Bible, so I think I'm good with them.
What do you want to ask?
I'm glad you have faith and love for Jesus and God in your heart. That’s wonderful for you. No one can tell you you’re wrong, you would not listen anyway, those Atheist positions just make you hold on stronger.
I will say this one thing. Faith without question is not faith, it is untested and ignorant. Truth is not true if it cannot withstand the harshest scrutiny imaginable, and so far the bible does not stand that test. Some of the things you have stated lead me to believe that you don’t really know your own religion, nor do you know religious history. I don’t think you could handle knowing the truth about either and your life seems to be based on the logic that the bible was faxed from heaven by God.
Dac77
Scrutinize away. Test the Bible. What don't you think holds up? I don't see anything that doesn't but I could be wrong. Let me know what you have an issue with and we'll see if we can reason together.
What don't I know? Well, a lot, actually, but you seem to think you know something I don't. Please tell me. I'm not being mean, I'd really like to know. If I'm wrong I'm wasting my time. But if you're wrong, you're gonna be in big trouble come Judgment Day.
I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement, but if you mean I think God wrote the Bible through people and that it's 100 percent true, you're right. I'm a born-again Christian.
We can start with Genesis and the story of creation, move on to each and every book of the bible and find something that total BS, like Immaculate conception, living in a whale, walking on water, parting the waters, etc, etc. It’s a never ending debate. I can’t prove you wrong, and you can’t prove you right.
My only point is to say that we must think about the authors of the bible.... Hint... it wasn’t written by God or Jesus, and of course, man would say it was written through the voice and guidance of God. What else would he say...? I made all this S#&% up to control massive numbers of people, to be sure something like that could not be in a man’s heart…could it?
So what you are saying is you don't believe in miracles. Obviously you don't believe in God, but IF there is a God then He could make any of these things happen.
Believe me, as a former atheist I get where you are coming from. The problem is you are giving too much credit to man to have just made up the Bible. You have more than 40 authors writing 66 books over thousands of years all on the same story ... and yet there isn't one error or contradiction from one to the next. You take a work like a gnostic gospel and we can tell right away it isn't what it claims. It contradicts other books and was written too late. Take the greatest authors in the world and they never could come up with it. Nor would they want to. Let's face it, the Bible makes its authors out to be bad people and not too smart. And judging by all the hatred on just this very message board it isn't something people like. So who would write it unless it's true.
You also say it is to control masses of people. Who is being controlled? I'm not forcing you to believe in Christ. I think we can look at the miracle of creation and tell that there must be a Creator. You seem to deny that fact. That's up to you. I hope you repent in trust in the Savior, but what would be my reason except you going to Heaven? I don't want your money nor am I asking you to go to my church. Actually, it benefits me nothing.
Do you even know what the gospel is?
"You have more than 40 authors writing 66 books over thousands of years all on the same story ... and yet there isn't one error or contradiction from one to the next."
Let's start with the New Testament, shall we. The God of the New Testament is contradictory in action and temperament to the God of the old testament. That is one clear contradiction that can be made by reading the two and doing a comparison. I think you made my point about the authors, most of which never met the apostles they wrote about and lived hundreds of years after their death. They were recanting stories that were passed down by word of mouth and story which was the way history was recorded in those days. The fact that one book doesn’t directly discount another is only proof that the church, who put together the books of the bible and then "voted" on several different drafts, were very particular about the message. It had to point to one man being born of Immaculate Conception who died a martyr.
The Idea that all the absurd things that happened in the bible can be explained through miracle doesn’t hold water, it can also be said that it was the only explanation of those events that would be accepted by the common people.
God is nothing more than a manifestation of the human brain, in an attempt to deal with the inevitable…Death.
Dac77
"Let's start with the New Testament, shall we. The God of the New Testament is contradictory in action and temperament to the God of the old testament. That is one clear contradiction that can be made by reading the two and doing a comparison."
There isn't at all a contradiction. First, Jesus fulfilled the laws of the OT. Second, you've got two different covenants. The first has ended and we are now in and will ever be in the second.
"I think you made my point about the authors, most of which never met the apostles they wrote about and lived hundreds of years after their death. They were recanting stories that were passed down by word of mouth and story which was the way history was recorded in those days."
Actually, all the authors either had to be someone who was with Jesus or was a contemporary of someone that was. So again, no, the authors were writing hundreds of years later. It was all done with their lifetimes and it was written, not just by word of mouth. See Paul's letters.
"The fact that one book doesn’t directly discount another is only proof that the church, who put together the books of the bible and then "voted" on several different drafts, were very particular about the message. It had to point to one man being born of Immaculate Conception who died a martyr."
Again, this is typical atheistic mumbo-jumbo. There were no "votes". Each book had to pass a test of authenticity, though. That's why the gnostic gospels weren't allowed in. Or the apocrypha.
So i guess God "evolved" from the Old Testament to the New Testament...
Could it not be that Christians needed a more loveable, forgiving god to sell to the Pagans, and Jews, and those without faith?
If you were to research religions that came before Christianity you would find some striking similarities...but that would likely test your faith, right?
Don’t let me confuse you with facts; I can see your mind is made up.
Hey Topher if you still there could you please answer my questions? What happen to a non believer's or a pagan's kids after they die, do they go to heaven or hell? What happen to the people who never heard of Jesus and died without ever any one telling them about Christianity? Were Adam & Eve's kids marrying each other to reproduce? Or even some of father back then I mean six thousands years ago marrying their daughter to quickly populate the earth? Al least as far as I know I have not heard of any lesbian or gay trying to marry their blood relative, although scientifically that would been no problem since they don't reproduce!
this pastor is no different than hitler.... but he is jsut doing waht all christians do... sppew hatred and bgotry....
if there is blood on your hands u just might be a christian.
In response to those who object to others' religious beliefs, I have to say that I don't agree with everyone else's beliefs either. That said, I am free, for now, in this country to believe as I wish, as are each of you. You are also free to call those who are Christians stupid, evil, hateful, or whatever. But there have been lots of people in this world, smarter than I and smarter than most of you, I bet, who were Christians. Most of these people were not hateful or evil. Perhaps a little more tolerance from all sides would be a good thing.
As for this minister, I won't speak for him. I only can agree with him on one point, and that is that what he appears to propose will never happen.
Notice that Islam is protected for these types of posts?? The difference is this. These types of speeches let alone Christian majority countries that do anything to gays is not an issue. Islamic countries actually KILL gays (Iran hangs them). So CNN lets stop being so Islamo friendly and tell the truth with respects to TRUE danger! I am not religious (Ex Muslim) and have no afinity to any faith but can clearly see that the Islamo Nuts are either funding CNN or work there...
It's not Muslims that scream loudly that ours is their country – it's Christians. Those are the ones that are trying to force everyone into their religion here.
Except islam doesn't have the same secular power in the USA that christianity has. Your comparison is invalid.
Huh? What secular power does Christianity have? I am not forced to go to church, nor do I get hassled by "religious police" when my wife doesnt wear a burka. You people are falling into CNN's trap of stupidity. A month ago when hundreds of rockets were sent to Israel, the news at CNN was "ISRAEL KILLS 5" or something to this affect. Cant you see how this news agency is islamo friendly and is trying to brainwash people?? It is pathetic..
Huh? What secular power does Christianity have? I am not forced to go to church, nor do I get hassled by "religious police" when my wife doesnt wear a burka. You people are falling into CNN's trap of stupidity. A month ago when hundreds of rockets were sent to Israel, the news at CNN was "ISRAEL KILLS 5" or something to this affect. Cant you see how this news agency is islamo friendly and is trying to brainwash people?? It is pathetic!!!
"What secular power does Christianity have?"
i guess you missed the christian funded campaign that lead to the NC vote the other week?
What this guy is advocating are concentration camps for gays. That's not freedom of expression,it's a hate crime. Why is this tolerated? This guy is better than Hitler. I got no time for people like that.
Well said. Unfortunately CNN is a government sponsored news/progaganda outlet much like Soviet Pravda (Russian for truth) and Isvestia (Russian for news). Russian citizens used to say there was no truth in Pravda and no news in Isvestia.
What's really creepy these days is that American news outlets like CNN, FOX, etal. are getting a similar rap from American citizens. Are we being propagandized that badly?
its just me, hollering from the choir loft...
Nothing like staying on point, eh? This has NOTHING to do with Islam. Why don't you go troll another page? I guess when you don't like what you see on here, you just change to a topic you clearly love to discuss.
Red Herring
Two wrongs don't make a right. Both Christianity and Islam are totally messed up.
islam is slammed daily... thanks for playing.... it is what christians do best... point fingers at others and persecute them so they themselves dont get persecuted.
The south is alive and well...sounded more like a KKK meeting LOL LOL. Somebody give this man a pill. LOL
Not KKK. The underlying problem is a lifestyle pushing to pass itself off as normal. Sorry but there is nothing normal about being gay. It is unnatural in every way and love has nothing to do with it.
@Keep it Real,
That's your opinion, but if you support an individual who preaches that all of a certain segment of the population should be rounded up and surrounded by an electrified fence, you should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. If you cannot control your own hate, others will do it for you.
what is unnatural in every way is a religion that SUPPOSEDLY is about peace and luv spewing hatred and bigotry....
welcome to the 20th century where we are sick of u hypocritical bigots.
@ Keep It Real
It's totally natural.
All throughout the animal kingdom, you will find instances of h.omo s.exual behaviour. Every species that reproduces through fertilisation (ie, not her.maphrodites such as earthworms, or organims that reproduce as.exually) has demonstrated h.omo.se.xual activity.
The dictionary definition of 'natural.'
Just because you've been brought up to dislike something, doesn't mean that it is necessarily factual.
Live and let live; Or better yet, practice what you preach and Do Unto Others.
Someone should remind that f***, god also forbids: eating sea food and pork (Lev 11:10); doing any work on a shabbat day (Exod 35:2); cutting off your hair & side-burns (Lev 19:27); touching the skin of a dead pork (Lev 11:6-8).
Now a Christian will tell you that those come from the Old Testament which is no longer followed...the New Testament is followed....Whatever. This guy is LOON
@ Lynn
Yes, but those same Ch.ristians will then quote Leviticus as their basis for attacking ga.ys – right before they eat their prawns/shrimp, lobster, pork or oysters, after getting tattoos and being happy about being uncirc.umcised.
All of which are in Leviticus, which they claim "does not apply."
Christians are always good for a laugh. Silly people and their silly bronze age beliefs.
That's Iron Age beliefs! Get it right!
The Bronze Age was before they had sun screen protection and tans were considered attractive and a sign of health and the gods and goddesses were lifeguards, mostly Christian and rarely Jewish even though Mark Spitz was the world's top swimmer at the time but he never got bronze medals, just gold, and I just don't see much to laugh about with these Christians who apparently emerged when they started taking wrinkles out of their clothing at the dawn of the steam iron age.
I also have to wonder about the congregation – the people sitting there listening to this bigotry and hate. Obviously they are as full of hate as the supposed preacher, otherwise they would have gotten up and walked out. People like him make me ill.
They wouldnt be at church if they could think for themselves
typical Christian Taliban Madrassa and this Mullah passing on his edicts of hatred and bigotry
There you go CNN, a video customized just for you....Now go spread your liberal hate and division!
How is it CNN's fault for showing people the truth? It's the pastor spreading hate and division all while enjoying his tax exempt status.
News Flash: They're reporting on conservative hate and division. Ignoring you won't make you go away.
uh huh, seems the pastor is doing enough hate spreading on his own.
How is reporting this bothering you?
Jerry,
So the TRUTH hurts you. Too bad.
The most assenine post in this thread.
But then, I haven't read that many of them yet... maybe some looney can yet outshine your brilliance.
Jerry.... You are a truly delusional person, obviously living in fairy-tale land. The TRUTH is being reported here ! How does reporting factual statements made by a hateful, twisted psychopath qualify as "liberal hate". You need to wake up and smell the Fascism masquerading as religion that this loon is vomiting.
Jerry,
Liberal and conservative do not apply here. This is a case of right and wrong. If you do not have a problem with someone calling for the deaths of millions of innocent men and women, there is something seriously wrong with you. And to do so in the name of a God who calls on us to "love thy neighbor" without exception is even worse. It is hypocrisy, it is blasphemy, and it is inhumane. This is not a case of opponents of this man being hateful or divisive, this is a case of people standing up for the basic rights and humanity of others, including those who are different from them. We are protesting hate, not causing it.
The tools of liberal hate and division: "record" and "play"
Maybe he is right .. . .
He might be... but he should follow everything in the Bible and kill people for gathering sticks, or working, on Sunday, I mean Saturday or whenever the Sabbath is. And I guess we should kill all the non virgins too. And what about all the divorced people. Maybe he should tell slaves to obey their masters. But don't worry polygamy and interracial marriage is ok. Moses was a polygamist married to an Ethiopian woman.
And maybe you're a worthless troll?
Maybe you're wrong...
This man is a disgrace. An insult to mankind. Those pathetic bigots who applaud him in the video should be ashamed of themselves. But, comically, he's also an idiot. His idea to "put them inside a fence, so they die out"? Well, that of course wouldn't work, as God would still continue to make more of them, outside the fence.
Didn't that idiot Herman Cain say something similar about illegal immigrants? Something about putting up an electric fence so the illegals can be electrocuted? Why are some people so full of rabid hate? What a burden to carry.
IT's hard for me to process the staggering level of bigottry and hatred here, so instead I choose to key in on one of the more subtle ignorances involved; how he is completely oblivious to logic.
1) Gay people can't repoduce. We'll give this a grain of truth (they of course can, but it takes considerably more effort, and involves either physically doing something that is against their nature or requires medical intervention).
2) There are, and always have been, gay people.
3) If they can't reproduce by themselves... where have all the gay people been coming from?
Notice that Islam is protected for these types of posts?? The difference is this. These types of speeches let alone Christian majority countries that do anything to gays is not an issue. Islamic countries actually KILL gays (Iran hangs them). So CNN lets stop being so Islamo friendly and tell the truth with respects to TRUE danger. I am not religious (Ex Muslim) and have no afinity to any faith but can clearly see that the Islamo Nuts are either funding CNN or work there...
CNNpathetic – where did this post say anything about Islam? Are you angry that it didn't talk about Islam?
Could it be...Satan?
At root, that's likely what he believes anyway, gussied-up with language about "man's Fallen state".
It's not the same, because there's more choice involved, but whenever I despair because the religiously orthodox of all faiths outbreed good secularist atheists like me, I remember that quite often religion is the best propaganda for secularism you can get, and so not all their children will stagger around in their foot-steps....
Actually I think he means they can't reproduce because all the women will be in one "pen" and the men in another. Surely he can't think that someone who is gay is somehow sterile because of it?
OMG!!! I am a Christian but what this guys suggests is WRONG on so many levels. His church needs to remove him from the pulpit immediately!!!!!! This is not a Christian approach this sick and twisted!!!!!!!! I am ashamed of what he has suggested. Please know this man stands alone on this belief!
@Hannamomma,
Regrettably, no matter how unchristian you think this man's words are, he is far from standing alone. There are people who would loudly agree with him, some proud do to so, and many many more who would never say it out loud, but quietly agree in their own minds.
Unfortunately, you are correct. It is very sad that many people think that just because a church leader said it then it must be true. That is why the church needs to act quicly and remove this man from a leadership role. This is NOT what I was taught that Christians are supposed to do. We are not supposed to persecute and convict we are to love and encourage. We are to forgive and forbear.
No matter how much you may want him to be otherwise, this man is a christian just as you are.
"Please know this man stands alone on this belief!"
sounded like there were some people there that agree with the guy.
Unfortunately, he doesn't stand alone. This is just the latest vid of a fundamentalist preacher spewing hatred; last week is was another pastor in another Baptist church, saying for parents to punch their gay children.
hannamomma...That's the problem. This man does not stand alone. There are many people who believe as he does. And he is a Christian. Your particular version of Christianity may not be exactly like his, but he has a right to call himself a Christian just as much as you do. He believes Christ died on the cross to wash his sins away. That makes him a Christian. If you believe the mythology and stories in the bible are true, you should agree with him. However, logical, people with critical thinking skills can only come to one conclusion...it's all nonsense.
well, of course most believers know this "pastor" is sadly mistaken and deceived, totally un-Christlike and certainly a horrible example, as have been so many "believers" who completely mischaracterize God; unfortunately he is far from "standing alone"; this supposedly loving Christian pastor joins a great herd of fearful losers who would corral those different from them, including, incidently, the persecution and execution of Christians, Jews etc etc. worldwide. Athiests, Nazi's, communists, and yes "Christians" all share in the horrible, fear based hate throughout the ages and into today. It's all very Biblical to some of us, and all we can do is not join them, live in peace, love everyone and take care of our own sin knowing God is just, end of story. Of course denouncing such hatred is our responsibility as well, Christ did plenty of speaking up for the outcast, different, unlovely.
Fair enough, but your argument could easily evolve into a 'no true Scotsman' argument. At some point, no matter how sweet the doctrine, the ills perpetrated in its name by actual people credibly claiming to believe in it must supervene...and in the case of theistic moral systems, the question of how far the Deity would allow Her followers to go in Her Name without stopping their worst excess, did She exist.
Everyone has some burden they must deal with in their life, including me. I don't beleive God has given me the right to judge someone's life, and I really don't want that responsibility. I own the fact that I have made terrible mistakes that I am not proud of. I would hate for someone to judge me on those.
Hannamomma, the problem is, he doesn't stand alone. I too am a Christian, and I am absolutely horrified at what this pastor is preaching. It is so hateful and wrong on so many levels.
There are many many Christians who are humble,loving and kind, and try to live their lives in a manner that is pleasing to God.
When people add to, take away from or distort the Truth, this is what you wind up with; hatred and bigotry.
Unfortunately you are wrong about that. I herd many "A-Mens" in that audience.
Reverand Gaddy is a complete tool. He said that, "people take the word of god out of context and twist it's meaning."
Lets see about that. Here is a direct quote:
Leviticus 20:13
New International Version (NIV)
13 “‘If a man has se.xual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
How has that been taken out of context? This is a religion of hate pure and simple.
Best part is that a gay man would never lie with another man as he would with a woman.
It's all in the interpretation. It's not unnatural for gays to be gay. It's unnatural for gays to pretend to be straight.
If you are following the Old Testament and not the New Testament – you are not a true Christian.
Leviticus is Old Testament.
The OT is not to be followed aye? Good, then we can expect you to STFU about Adam and Eve, the flood, the first set of 10 Commandments, and gay-hating, since it's not in the NT?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You knuckledraggers cherry pick both the OT and the NT when it suits you. The Bible isn't a cafeteria.
I can only get the video to work for a few seconds, so I hope this is just a ridiculously bad joke and he can apologize for the comments and then move on.
And how is this a blog, CNN?
It's not a bad joke: here's another link to Anderson Cooper
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2012/05/21/ac-gaddy-rebukes-pastor-gay-rant.cnn
I couldn't help laughing at the total cluelessness of this slimy bigot. How ridiculous can a person get?
Unfortunately this will have 5,000+ comments in less than 24 hrs.
@Keith,
What's more unfortunate is that there are still people who say and think the things that cause articles like this to exist.
Yes, open lines of communication are bad because it shows xtianity for the sham that it is.
Christianity is not a sham. However, this man IS a SHAM and a shame. You can't convict all Christians because one has gone off the deep end. I am not going to try to convert you because I believe you have free choice to beleive what you want or not beleive. But to riducle my beliefs because you don't share them makes you no better than this bigot.
HoneyBadger, When you really look at what Jesus (and just Jesus, I don't put much stock in Paul) says you realize that basically all he is saying is "Don't be a jerk and take care of each other". The message is not a sham in anyway. What is a sham are the people who *forget* that simple message is the heart of Christianity and use it to oppress people they don't like. It's sad.
The ironic thing will be that the Christians will be put in extermination camps long before the h0m0s^xuals will...They'll be put there by the h0m0s^xuals. Just the way Bill Ayers envisioned years ago.