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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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Northstar, Marvel’s first openly gay superhero, is going to tie the knot with his boyfriend in mainstream comics’ first same-s*ex wedding in an upcoming issue of “Astonishing X-Men.”
Too cool!
Elvisisback – How about you stop the judging? Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Casey, you don't even understand the scripture.
That scripture does not mean stop judging what God has deemed to be a sin, but it refers to stop judging others when you are guilty of the same.
It is laughable when folks try to use the Bible in their arguments and they have ever studied to understand the context.
"Elvis" is a troll and an idiot. . .you can't reason with someone THAT stupid.
Should read "have never studied..."
Yeah, that's always a winning argument. Just call everyone stupid. That really works if you have nothing else to say.
It appears that Casey knows scripture better than you Elvisisback. Your name says it all.....you live in a fantasy world.
Elvisback – God has not deemed h o m o s e x u a l i t y to be a sin. The Bible does not condemn h o m o s e x a l i t y when it is put in historical and cultural context and read using reason, as Jesus did.
"Elvis" I'm not calling EVERYONE stupid.
That'll be one hell of a party inside that fence, I'll tell you what.
It would probably end up looking like some posh resort. . . .and all the str8s would end up having to pay a cover-charge while waiting in long lines, wanting to get in through the gates. LOL
This is really sad. It is terrible when a person like this takes a religion based on love and turns it into one based on his personal hate. I only hope one day Pastor Worley comes to understand the true meaning of Christianity – which is not a set of rules or a black and white view of the world, but really is one simple concept – love.
Ludwig – Well said!
Love has always existed. . . even many thousands of years ago when the first parents of our species nurtured and cared for their offspring in much much harsher conditions that what any of us are used to today in a country such as this.
A false teacher Jesus warned us of in sheep cloths...beware! God is love, Jesus commands we LOVE our enimies... no love no GOD
@ Perfect LOVE ministry Saugus ma
Perfect love is the symmetry of Life! The consumation of and the consuming for!
A Serpent's Thought. . .it looks like you need to go open a science book a learn a little about life then.
More Christian hate....sigh...
Well at least they can't actually imprison us, torture us then burn us at the stake the way they've done in the past for hundreds of years for disagreeing with the bible or church leaders. . .I guess there's SOME improvement.
That free will god gave you... gone. In the end you will have your free will taken from you (if you still believe that stupid book). Can't have dissent in heaven, ya know? What? You wont need it? I hope not because you wont have a choice. Who wants to be a zombie?
You won't have free will in H ell either!
Being gay is not a sin. The Bible does not condemn h o m o s e x u a l i t y when it is put in historical and cultural context and read using reason, as Jesus did. There are many gay Christians who love Christ with all of their heart, and I am one of them.
Oh puh leeze.
You shouldn't let people f&^k with your mind. Just be yourself and be a good person to others; that's just common sense.
Of course being gay is not a sin. Only an idiot would think it was.....this minister being a prime example.....just listen to him and you can tell from his grammar alone that his IQ doesn't get past two digits.
I am a Christian and a faithful follower of Jesus Christ. I cannot believe the words that I have just read. If I had been sitting in his congregation, I would have walked out after making my objection clear. Surely he understands that God created us all, and we are all children of the same Creator. What a sad day when a man who professes to be a man of God passes judgment on others and to threaten ther existence with the punishment he set forth. He is compared to Hitler who put himself on a pedestal and condemned because others did not meet his criteria for a "perfect world." That is too scary! And such a prejudiced man speaking from the pulpit. Hope they fire him!
I wonder how many walked out after making a clear objection? I'd bet not a one! That's how this stuff works on people, they don't actually believe any of it but they won't say so in public, which leaves everyone thinking everyone else agrees.
You may be a Christian, but you aren't a very smart one.
What's really sad is that CNN and others have already interviewed some of the congregants of that church and they fully support everything he said. . .so sad. Others in the same town also told visiting news reporters that his entire church is known for being intolerant of others to an extreme. Sad that damage that one man can do.
Elvis, quit being a troll.
As a Christian I totally agree.
It's a shame that some pastors have been preaching their own political rhetoric in some churches and pawning it off as the bible/Christianity. If this man actually reads the word of God he would know that it is not his job to be judging others (Luke 6:36) and the bible wants us to love our neighbors as ourselves (Mark 30:31). People that preach hate are usually the ones with skeletons in the closet.
Elvisisback,
"You may be a Christian, but you aren't a very smart one.'
Keep judging others. You're doing a GREAT job demonstrating Christian hypocrisy.
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.
2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Yep. Really foolish, isn't it?
@ Observer
If only one could but grasp the meanings of such scripture then maybe one could finally unlock the secrets of God and His Kingdom and our being but Gods temples wherein God does dwell!
What is with the "do" and "does" before every verb, you nimrod?
@A Serpent's Thought, If you think that it's complicated to grasp what is being said about a day being a thousand days... don't venture into quantum physics. I love how religious people always think they have the intellectual upper hand. I'm sure it allows them a momentary, self-deluded confirmation of their vast intellect.
@ Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
What seems to be your b.i.t.c.h.i.n.e.s.s now coming from? Too many dipstcks and too few holes and not enough hands to hold with?
Why don't you just answer the question, Snakey?
@ GodFreeNow
And what are you? A quantumn Physicist?
A Serpent's Thought, you can "unlock' the "mysteries" of the things written in the OT by imagining that you live in the Bronze Age and know nothing about how the planet, stars and universe work. Only then will you be able to understand where some of the idiotic crap in the bible comes from.
@A Serpent's Thought, I'm a realist living in this thing we call reality. As such I rely on evidence for my beliefs. Quantum physics is just one of the many ways you can begin to understand reality. However, if I were you, I'd start with something more elementary like logic and basic reasoning.
So what he's saying is that there is a God who would condemn somebody for loving another person with his or her whole heart, mind,, soul, and body. Hmmmmmm......not somebody a good person would really want to spend eternity with is it? Sounds more like the devil than God who he is talking about.
Agreed. I was always taught that God is Love. My God would never condemn someone for being loving.
To those of you my brethern who believe the bible, no explaination is necessary, to those of you who are heathen unbelievers no explaination is possible. PP
Go f*uck yourself!
Oh no thanks, I prefer to worship spaghetti. . . . at least I can prove that spaghetti actually exists.
on the contrary, an explanation that made sense and was supported by evidence would be warmly accepted. But, let's face it, that will never happen.
Voice of Reason, best response yet! Short and to the point. Two thumbs up.
The problem, you see, is that you define "believing the Bible" differently from how many other people define it. Assuming that everyone will read it and reach the same conclusions you did is reaching.
Keep self reinforcing PP, that's how it works.
Excellent post and some of the posts below validate your remarks.
BWahhahhhhaha! An idiot who thinks "explaination" is a word is telling me how to interpret the written word! What a hoot.
"to those of you who are heathen unbelievers no explaination is possible"
At first read, this seems like a clever post... that is, until you realize what it's saying.... for unbelievers, no explanation is possible. Yes... we already know that. We call it, impossible. That's why we don't drink the coolaid. If explanation were possible, your circle would be increased by really intelligent, reasoning people. Without them, you'll only be surrounded by emotion-driven people. Enjoy your supersti.tion.
Folks I implore you to repent and stop sinning and be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ( the only mediator between God and man), please give this matter very serious consideration for the time is short. Thank you. PP
Any relation to the Rev. Fred Phelps? I've heard that inbreeding was a big problem in that family.
PP .. If either of them would show up I'd be happy to hold discussions, but if you're actually suggesting I mediate to myself .. then you're really just suggesting I convince myself to believe.
"Poly Carp", it's obvious someone's done a major mind f&^k on your tiny little brain. I would be really p o'd if I were you.
Jesus, performer of many miracles. Walked on water, turned water to wine, raised people from the dead. Yet with all of his powers he couldn't perform a simple barrel roll. Why didn't he do a barrel roll?
Polycarp, you're a dimwit. Get an education.
Almost as bad as Pastor Jerimiah Wright. Almost, but not quite.
Rev. Worley needs some speaking lessons, but he has it about right otherwise.
A new round of Concentration Camps? How is that EVER right?
Kandric, how is one man poking another man EVER right?
When they love each other very much and want to express their love in a physical form.
Elvis, when is a man 'poking' a woman right?
Oh, wait, you think 'poking' is the best description of what you wish you could do, if only you had an actual d!ck and someone who wanted it.
Once you accepted that there's a magical being in the sky who made the world less than 10k years ago and committed genocide once because he didn't like what his creation was doing, it's not a great leap to accept that people who think or act differently than you are abominations. If you can get someone to swallow the first bit, you can sell them anything.
well said, bravo
That old coot is certainly missing the mark. But that still doesn't make the sin he's referring to any less a sin. Good thing we can focus on more up-lifting aspects of the scriptures repentance, forgiveness, change, the atonement, etc. 🙂
How do you know it's a "sin"? Suppose someone told you it was a sin to love the person you are attracted to right now? That you couldn't marry that person or have s3x with her/him, ever?
Think you'd obey that ruling? No, you wouldn't. Why should anyone else?
"Sin"? Your ignorance is the real "sin". Do your fellow man a huge favor and go open a science book. . .read something intelligent for a change PLEASE !
Just as with any sin, we have a choice. Of course, the world would have us think otherwise. But don't fool yourself. You can change your ways. We all can. We all have weaknesses and need to turn them into strengths. That's why we're here.
Suppose God said it was a "sin" for you to love a woman, LEEROY? Suppose the Bible said that it was wrong for you to be attracted to her? That you couldn't have ever marry her and that if you had s3x with her outside of marriage you'd be dam3d to hell? Would you "choose" not to become celibate then?
Hell, no, you wouldn't. Why should anyone else do so?
Tom Tom, it doesn't say that. Suppose if I had wings. I could fly. But I don't. Suppose all you want. It will not change the facts. Sorry Bro.
Answer the question, LEEROY. Suppose it DID say that? How would you feel about the idea of simply sublimating your love and desire for a woman because God supposedly demanded it? Would you obey? Answer and stop stalling.
Leeroy,
"Just as with any sin, we have a choice. Of course, the world would have us think otherwise. But don't fool yourself. You can change your ways. We all can."
So are you going to apparently change your mind and now support slavery?
So are you going to apparently change your mind and now support the inferiiority of women?
So are you going to apparently change your mind and now support discrimination against the handicapped?
And I'm not your "bro" you fvckwit. You wouldn't be my "bro" if you were the last soul on earth.
What you have, leeroy, is a 2,000 year old colelction of writings by people we know nothing about making claims they knew nothing about for the purpose of explaining a natural universe that nobody at the time knew anything about.
I can understand an Iron Age Palestinian sheep herder thinking he could avoid death by pleasing some hokey sky-fairy, but educated people today? I mean, come on..
As they say, the truth causes some to become so angry. You two are perfect examples of that. Wow. Such anger. Is that caused by guilt? Perhaps you guys should consider some changes in your lives. 😉
Make that three. 😉
LEEROY, you're a moron. I'm straight, married, and female. I've BEEN married to the same person for over 30 years.
Now answer the goddam& question, you lying sack of poo.
Tom Tom, isn't it awesome that I don't have to answer your silly, misguided question. How does that make you feel? It's all about choices Sistah named Tom. 😉
Thanks for admitting that not only don't you have to answer, you can't.
Impotent little turd. Proof that sh1t doesn't roll uphill.
I appreciate the confession, LEEDOLT.
Leeroy,
Don't worry about running away from answering questions. Christians frequently do.
Run away, LEEROY! Run! Bwawk! Chicken sh!t, bwawk! Run, coward!
The Bible:
on gays – it is a "sin" and an "abomination"
on child molesters – NO COMMENT
The Bible has it's priorities.
R@pe and the murder of women and children seems to be okay as well... as is slavery. What a lovely thing to teach children.
I guess you missed the versus about harming a child and tying a stone around your neck and being cast into the sea? And how much Jesus loved children and would never consider harming one. BTW, fornication is also a sin and this would fit there . . . just more abominable. So, in other words, you're wrong.
Leeroy,
I'm still waiting for you to tell me where the Bible calls child molesting a "sin" or even an "abomination".
@Leeroy, I thought Jesus WAS god as the trinity. God ordered the murder of women and children and killed all of the rest of them, including presumably unborn children still in the womb during the great flood. Have you actually read the bible? Jesus also told people to forsake their families. Forget about that part?
I responded and it didn't post. Basically, I said if you think it's okay to hurt a child in any way, you're wrong. It doesn't matter what the scriptures say in your head. It's wrong on many levels. It's common sense and against just about every religion's Values . . . common Values over the entire earth. Yes, there are people like you misinterpretting things. But it's still wrong.
God took clear vengence on those that come and kill his people, just as he will come against those same people in the end.
2 Peter 2:6
and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
Jude 1:7
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
GodFree, You can not escape God, just by not believing in him. You are givin a free choice to believe or not, for it is your decision alone that will make the difference in the end.
The last day scriptures are being fulfilled before our eyes, Israel, the hatred of Christianity and the hatred within so called Christianity, but these things were promised 2000 years ago.
Matthew 24
9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Wrong observer. The Bible condemns all sin including people that hurt children. You are all so blinded with hate it is unreal.
Leeroy,
"Yes, there are people like you misinterpretting things. But it's still wrong."
"misinterpret" what? The Bible never condemsn child molesting as a sin or abomination.
READ it sometime.
Snowdog,
WRONG. Give me ONE QUOTE from the Bible that labels child molesting as a "SIN" or even an "ABOMINATION".
Still waiting.
Leo,
What did the Bible SPECIFICALLY say was the "sin of Sodom"? Was it being gay? Yes or no?
Observer, I think we've decided to ignore your silliness and leave you to bark at the moon. 🙂 Good night lost soul.
Observer, so, in your eyes, if the Bible does not call out child molesting as a sin then God approves it? That is ridiculous. God hates all forms of sin and hurting, abusing people is a sin.
And he went on, "What comes out of a person is what defiles, for evil designs come out of the heart: theft, murder, adultery, jealousy, greed, maliciousness, deceit, indecency, slander, pride and folly. All these evil things come from within and make a person unclean." (Mk 7:20-23)
Wow, you guys got me soooo good! I'm no match for your brilliance and word choices. Good night. 🙂
Well, kudos for admitting you're not honest, knowledgeable, or courageous.
Beat it, loser.
@Leo, I know from your perspective you must think that I'm trying to escape god by not believing in him. This is a typical one-sided observation. Am I trying to escape Santa Clause by not believing in him? Or elves? If a god wants my belief, he's going to have to do a better job at providing evidence. Further, if a god wants my devotion and worship, he's going to have to be far more loving, mature and benevolent than the god of the bible. That guy's a jerk.
@GodFreeNow, you want "proof". Be careful what you ask for. 😉
I cannot believe that in this day and time, people are still quoting that antiquated, ridiculous piece of fiction for the singular purpose of hurting one another. Good Grief!
The Bible is as real and alive today as it was 2000 years ago. It is still the most sold and sought out book in the world today.
100 million bibles are sold each year worldwide. The New Yorker confirms that it is the best-selling book in history and outsells all other books every year.
Look it up for yourself. It is a fact.
Why do you believers want to be with a God(s)? To what end, what's the point of eternal sameness, even if it's bliss?