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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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Do the math Rev. Worley. If gays and lesbians aren't procreating more gays and lesbians, where are we coming from?
If you answer that it is a choice, that means that every human – including yourself – is equally attracted to both men and women.
What? You're not bi? Neither am I. It so happens that I have absolutely no attraction to the opposite gender whatsoever. So you tell me how I could possibly choose.
By choice he means to either do right or wrong.
Great. So God made me "wrong". Thanks a lot big guy.
no the aliens were on a coffee break when it came down to you =/
"Wrong" would be a ho mo $e xual dating or marrying a het er o$ exual even though they have no attraction to the opposite gender. Unfortunately it happens every day. These people reap what they sow.
You aren't made "wrong" at all it's about not living life based on emotion.
lily–Not live life based on emotion? Are you kidding? That's what christianity uses to control behavior. Fear is an emotion. Compassion is an emotion. Love is an emotion. Are you saying jesus wants us to all be cyborgs?
xeno- Fear is an emotion but it does not come from God. Compassion, evidence of love is not an emotion. Love is not an emotion it is something you do, not feel. God tells us to love our enemies but that would be impossible were it something we "feel". Love shows action: patience, kindness, does not boast, is not prideful or arrogant, is long-suffering. Affection is a different thing entirely.
@ lilyq
I would just stop at this point, you are embarrassing yourself.
Tom, I am not embarrassed but I do have to go to work now, you have a good day.
"Fear is an emotion but it does not come from God"
Really? So the whole 'thou shall have no other god before me' and the whole thing of hell is not a fear that your god instills in people?
I said you are embarrassing yourself. That does not require YOU to feel embarrassed. So much for being the master of emtions lol. But thank you for your well wishes.
Sounds like most people are "agin" him.
Wow, interment camps? That's his solution? LOL That's what he came up with? Brilliant... very impressed. I don't understand what the big deal is anyway. I have one child, a daughter. Whatever she decides to do with her life is up to her. If she's gay, so what? I would still love her and want her to select a partner she respects and that respects her. Move on, people. Get your OWN LIVES. Losers.
He talks about us like we are not human. I've got a PhD and am a member of Mensa. I volunteer to help those in need and pay my taxes. I've got family and friends who love me. I say enough is enough. Let's _____ that ________!
You might do and be all of those things but those things mean nothing without Christ. Be blessed.
ammie–this man is no where near the caliber of you–he obviously lacks basic knowledge in grammar, biology, history, and theology.
lilq–It sounds to me like ammie has been blessed, christ or not.
I agree with Xeno.
HE is right when he say they would all die out because they can't produce. Can't argue with that.
That's ignorant when it's he ter o$ exuals that produce ho mo$ exuals. He'd have a whole new ho mo $e xual population on the outside of the fence by the time the ones inside the fence died off.
Since gays are BORN that way they will only create a permanent camp that would never go away. BTW, taking a line out of a fictional book and applying it to people who are not the same as you is no way to live humanly. People need to worry about more important things in this world.
Yeah if you fence all the gays and lesbians separately, those people will die off and not procreate. But the same would happen if you fenced off straight men and woman separately.... While gay and lesbian couples may not breed as fast as their straight counterparts, they still work together and bring children and families into the world just fine.
Patrick your the idiot. You simply put those new gays out side the fence in with the others LOL... The first set will die out, then the next, then the next etc... The real point is that if gay marraige is deemed "correct" in U.S. society then the population of the U.S. will start to go down while the Islamic population rises. This may result in the U.S. becoming an Islamic ran country and you do realize that if you are gay in the radical Islamic ran goverment the chances are you will be beheaded. Either way you dish it up gays do not win in the end.
LMFAO.
Anyone who is so phenomenally ignorant, as to say "your" the idiot, really IS the idiot. It's " 'you're' the idiot"..idiot.
Where do they get these fu cking idiots ?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.ht
oops ... fucking idiots
LOL Idiot... I see you don't know when you even hit the space bar!!!! Your the Idiot... Where do idiots like you come from that want to point out one thing when you can't even type things correctly LOL IDIOT. Oh yea...
He's been watching and listening to old George Carlin comedy bits from the 70's and 80's because that's almost a direct quote of ideas he had. George Carlin did not at all reference anyone who is GLBT, but child molesters/rapists, druggies, violent crime offenders, etc.
This man is just a huge growing number of people claiming to be Christian or followers of Jesus and just aren't in ANY way.
@myheartwork
And you think George Carlin is the first one to come up with that idea? LOL I can see your point about him not being a Christian though. I mean he is only a pastor and all.
Gays have a choice. I'm tired of Christians being condemned and persecuted because they speak the truth. YOU make the choice to be gay. YOU need to leave. Get the heck out of MY country. This is a Christian nation.
look at it this way America is priming itself for a race war so 1 of the problems will be back under thumb where they belong.
YOU made the choice to hate. YOU made the choice to interpret your scriptures in this fashion. If being gay is indeed a " choice" as you claim it is, then take resposibility for your own choices, especially the ones that conveniently overlook the idea that no one si without sin, including you. No one is talking about rounding up Christians. Get over your overblown sense of self-importance.
Let's hear how you "chose" your $e xuality.
YOU get out of MY county!
I'm straight because it's NATURAL. Being gay is UNNATURAL. You people need to get a clue and wake the heck up. Stop supporting this sadistic, diseased behavior and these disgusting, terrible people.
No actually I was raised with no racial influence. Black people made me the devout racist I am today. <--– Brutal honesty.
AND
Nature intended for us to procreate people with gender confusion CANT do that , therefore they FAIL at nature. No 2 ways about it!
Oh so you didn't choose your $e xu ality any more than I did. Case closed.
@mariska – When you judge an entire 12% of the population (bl@cks) as being one and the same, you just do our side a favor. Keep posting your r@cist garbage. Thank you.
"look at it this way America is priming itself for a race war so 1 of the problems will be back under thumb where they belong." Mariska Adler bring it on, I would love to see you and the people who think like you dragged into the streets and shot. Just bring it on
Nature may have intended this or that, but then why do men have nip ples?
@Mark from Middle River
Mark this is not a Christian nation. I would suggest you take a history class on our founding. Also.. I know you Christian types really aren’t into the whole proof thing but I like to see your prove gays have a choice. You can’t even prove your god is real..it should make for a good laugh.
I'm getting to you 🙂
This is not a Christian nation. It's a nation home to Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Agnostics, and Atheists.
@.mariska adler
Oh btw, the ‘gender confused’ can reproduce. Just not with each other. Hell there is a story on CNN right now about a woman who reproduced with a dead man. Yea.. so have fun with that one.
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
I'm so sick of Christians whining that this is a "Christian" nation. It's not. Not supposed to be a part of law. And who really makes a conscious decision to be attracted to someone? Um, no one. Because it's not a choice.
Your Country? Take a history lesson or two Mark. I believe the Native Americans were here first. Also what makes you think your religion is the only religion in America. This is why people think extreme Christians are fruitcakes! I believe God wants us to love and be tolerant of everyone. Your words make me think you are the opposite of what a Christian person should be. Live your life the way you want and let others live and love who they choose. If you believe they are going to hell-what is it to you???
Marky Mark: It is not a choice. Your paranoia is getting the best of you.
@mark from Middle River
Your Country?????????????
you mean the country you killed my ancestors to steal it???
Yup that would be the one.
ASSHOLE YOU FUCKING LEAVE MY COUNTRY
@ DragonSlayer Lights Your Fire
In all fairness.. yes HIS country. Native Americans had no county of their own. They were also no better than anyone else. They warred among each other and even owned slaves. You were conquered by a superior force… deal with it.
That said.. this is not a Christian nation.
We should send the pastor, his church, and those that think like him to some isolated island and cut them off from the rest of humanity. They are a disease and they have no ability to think for themselves, so they will just continue to spread their disgusting views to others. I wouldnt shed a tear if these people were dead
Wow, hypcrite. That doesn't make you any better than the preacher.
LS, I dont care if it makes me worse than the preacher, I stand by my statement
Anytime a Christian (or Muslim for that matter) does something another person from their religion disagrees with..then they are not a ‘real’ Christian (or Muslim) never mind they both believe and worship the same deity. It is only the posters interpretation and opinion of the ‘right way’ to be a Christian (or Muslim) that matters. Just as if you asked the WBC about these jebus is love posters.. THEY are not real Christians. It’s yet another form of cherry picking.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD?!?!?!?!
YES!!
DO YOU BELIEVE IN MY GOD?!?!?!
NO
BANG!
thud.......
If Dharun Ravi got 30 days (which was probably fair), this guy should get 5 years. There should be accountability for people in a position of power and instruction.
Guess this idiot called a preacher doesn't know about the 10 commandments...
Thou shalt not kill
Love thy neighbor
there are no exclusions on those, there are no disclaimers... no references to when it's ok to Hate or kill... none.
Yeah, but christians don't follow the ten commandments–just like their god doesn't; it's learned behavior.. Say one thing, do another.. Their god can do anything because might makes right–their god's the "mightiest," and because he's the mightiest, morals are different for him than anyone else: Subjective Morality.. Hypocrisy and christianity are synonyms.
Actually the "love thy neighbor" part isn't from the 10 commandments, it's part of Jesus' teachings in the New Testament. But you have the right sentiment.
He's not killing them he
mariska adler ....
You and Erik Von Daniken are correct.
I was referring only to your earlier comment about God being an Alien NOT the comment I just saw below this one. We need a delete/edit button for our comments!!
Von Daniken I love him and that guy with the hair OOOOOOO he's the best!
can't wait for the new season to start!
black people first, then the gender confused.
What???
I can pretty much guarantee this pastor is a closet gay. Just wait.
I agree with mariska. I wish they'd all disappear. I know the first group doesn't have a choice in what they are, but we could do without them. The second group has a choice and they still continue shoving in our faces.
wat? seriously that should be the order.
@Mark – Gender confusion presents by age 4 or 5, so it's not like they can help it. Are you even going to address ho mo $e xuality though?
If you are not attracted to the opposite gender them I'm sorry YOU FAILED AT NATURE
@mariska – Wrong. We've had the ability to accurately and affordably test people's $e xua lity in a lab setting since the 1950s. And in all that time, not one person has ever been able to show that their $e xua lity changed during the course of their lifetime. Not from gay to straight, not from straight to gay, not even from gay to b i$e xual. Not through theraputic means and not through religious means. Also, there have been tons of studies done on ho mo$ exu ality – if it was a choice there would be precursors to that choice leading someone to want to be attracted to the same gender or leading them to actually having attraction for the same gender – yet not one study has ever found any precursor or cause.
I wish that all anti-gays were also anti-Blacks; this debate would have been over long ago.
does not matter nature intended for us to procreate people with gender confusion CANT do that , therefore they FAIL at nature.
@mariska – Why do men have nip ples? How can you be so judgmental about what "nature intended". There are many animal species that have a percentage of their population that is EXCLUSIVELY attracted to the same gender and NEVER in their lifetime mate with the opposite gender.
At some point you have to look at these people and ask "Does it seem like their Bible is really helping them have a good productive spiritual life?"
bible is a crock
That "divinely inspired" book from God seems to have lost it's magical ability to make those who read it better than those who don't.
Totally a crock. For saps. Get with it and stop following something that nobody knows exists and is like a billion years old and was all folklore and hearsay, story's passed down, and written by a bunch of Arabs. Yet people blindly follow this shadow dance. Doi'h !
the term you are looking for is LEMMINGS or SHEEPLE
Well now. Since most of you that are posting your disapproval of this man have never attended church, why do you care what is said inside their walls? Quite frankly, it's none of your business.
Just because you president and his army of thugs says gay unions are ok with him, at least during this election cycle, doesn't mean everyone has to agree with him.
As a matter of fact, the majority of taxpaying US citizens find him and his policies disgusting and anti-American.
It's time to take back America.
It's time to water the tree of liberty...
The "tree of liberty"? When you're the one who wants to place bans on the rights of other Americans???
Why don't you guys get concerned with things JESUS actually addressed, like this?
Matthew 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xu al immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Why aren't you trying to ban divorce and remarriage??? Know what a hypocrite is? Read Romans 2.
Yes, because just EVERYONE knows that nothing says patriotic American and loving Christian like modern day internment camps.
Because, unfortunately, you folks can't keep your hate and bigotry inside the walls of pitiful churches like this one. Any more questions? LOL!
I happen to find all this stuff disgusting and anit-american.
........ BTW god is a alien!
It's none of our business until they post it in plain public view on their website, which is what this nut did.
It's time to take back common sense, tax exempt status and water the tree of knowledge.
DOW JONES when Clinton ent ered office: 3257 points
When Clinton left and GW Bush entered: 10588 points
When GW left and Barack Obama entered: 8078 points
DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVER AGE TODAY: 12,502 points
The fact that Democrats grow the economy and Republicans destroy it is
there for everyone to see. ANYONE can go look it up themselves.
Also:
Unemployment when Clinton entered office: 7.3%
When Clinton left and GW Bush entered: 4.1%
When GW left and Barack Obama entered: 7.8%
Unemployment (which topped out over 10% nine months after Bush left office) today: 8.1%
Also:
Deficit when Clinton entered office: 4.4 Trillion
When Clinton left and GW Bush entered: 5.8 Trilli on (Clinton increased it by an average of 175 Billion a year)
When GW left and Barack Obama entered: 11.9 Tril lion (Bush increased it by an average of 763 Billion a year)
Deficit TODAY: 14.6 Tr illion (Obama increased it by an average of 950 Billion a year to try to save the economy and prevent a depression)
Also:
Gas still isn't as high under Obama as it was under Bush at its highest in history.
Bush's record:
Unemployment: up 90%
National Debt: up 105%
Gas per gallon: up 157% from Clinton's highest average gas price
Amount of spending cuts: $0.00
Record Trade deficits
Bush restored food stamp eligibility for non-citizens and others that had been disqualified by Clinton in a Farm Bill
Poverty rate increased by 37.5%
Most people on welfare in history
When Clinton left and GW Bush entered: 5.8 Trillion (Clinton increased it by an average of 175 Billion a year)
When GW left and Barack Obama entered: 11.9 Trillion (Bush increased it by an average of 763 Billion a year)
Patrick .. although I normally agree with your comments I've gotta ask ... why didn't you post any Carter or Reagan administration facts. There are good ideas on both sides of the aisle, religious fundamentalism certainly isn't one of them.
@IfHorses – Sorry, I just went back to Clinton. It would be more interesting to see the original Bush and Reagan and Carter.
@If Horses – Here's one that goes back further, but just related to the debt.
Yearly increases in the National Debt
REPUBLICAN
1975 Ford, Senate D, House D – 84 Billion (New record)
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1976 Ford, Senate D, House D – 77 Billion
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DEMOCRAT
1977 Carter, Senate D, House D – 65 Billion
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1978 Carter, Senate D, House D – 70 Billion
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1979 Carter, Senate D, House D – 56 Billion
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1980 Carter, Senate D, House D – 85 Billion (New record)
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REPUBLICAN
1981 Reagan, Senate R, House D – 99 Billion (New record)
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1982 Reagan, Senate R, House D – 168 Billion (New record)
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1983 Reagan, Senate R, House D – 214 Billion (New record)
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1984 Reagan, Senate R, House D – 252 Billion (New record)
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1985 Reagan, Senate R, House D – 283 Billion (New record)
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1986 Reagan, Senate R, House D – 179 Billion
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1987 Reagan, Senate D, House D – 225 Billion
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1988 Reagan, Senate D, House D – 252 Billion
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REPUBLICAN
1989 Bush Sr., Senate D, House D – 255 Billion
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1990 Bush Sr., Senate D, House D – 376 Billion (New record)
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1991 Bush Sr., Senate D, House D – 432 Billion (New record)
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1992 Bush Sr., Senate D, House D – 399 Billion
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DEMOCRAT
1993 Clinton, Senate D, House D – 347 Billion
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1994 Clinton, Senate D, House D – 281 Billion
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1995 Clinton, Senate R, House R – 281 Billion
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1996 Clinton, Senate R, House R – 251 Billion
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1997 Clinton, Senate R, House R – 188 Billion
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1998 Clinton, Senate R, House R – 113 Billion
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1999 Clinton, Senate R, House R – 130 Billion
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2000 Clinton, Senate R, House R – 18 Billion (LOWEST INCREASE IN DECADES)
REPUBLICAN
2001 GW Bush, Senate Tied, House R – 133 Billion
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2002 GW Bush, Senate Tied, House R – 421 Billion
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2003 GW Bush, Senate R, House R – 555 Billion (New record)
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2004 GW Bush, Senate R, House R – 596 Billion (New record)
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2005 GW Bush, Senate R, House R – 554 Billion
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2006 GW Bush, Senate R, House R – 574 Billion
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2007 GW Bush, Senate D, House D – 501 Billion
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2008 GW Bush, Senate D, House D – 1.017 TRILLION (New record)
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DEMOCRAT
2009 Obama, Senate D, House D – 1.887 TRILLION (New record)
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2010 Obama, Senate D, House D – 1.653 TRILLION
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2011 Obama, Senate D, House R – 1.287 TRILLION
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When you are preaching harm to a population of people it is everyones business! Take some history lessons! Why do you care who people choose to love? As long as you are living your life the way you feel your God wants you to-then why do you feel so threaten? Sounds to me like you are not very confident in who you are -so you want to bully others who are!
Patrick .. you did your homework, thanks for the response. I was thinking interest rates, but hey it all combines to make the economy what it is .. or was. At least you give an educated researched answer.
They will die out? How ignorant can you be.
This religious bigot disgusts me!
religion disgusts me
Thanks for your service to Our Country and for protecting the rights of everyone!
As a lot of Christian preachers lazily take only excerpts of the bible, pluck them out and use them out of context to fabricate a message of a hateful and vengeful god. I believe the bible chronicles mankind and tells complete stories but doesn't intend to point scathing fingers at humans but only to guild them into a more balanced being, one that doesn't need to be forgiven because there is nothing to forgive. Jesus told you not to judge because all you do is judge yourself and yet you still don't understand how that works ...then continue to suffer "unnecessarily", its --> your free will. Good luck Bob Tiddwell, you have a lot of baggage to suffer.
Is it any wonder why organized religion is going down the tubes?
As a Christian who takes his faith journey seriously... by definition I'M NOT A LITERALIST about Scripture. It is too important to read like a newspaper or rule book. Jesus life was all about LOVE NOT HATE!
THANK YOU FOR BEING A USELESS CHRISTIAN. JESUS IS DEAD, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO STORE THIS INFORMATION ANYWHERE.
Though not a Christian, what you say is right on.