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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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It really is unfortunate that people feel the need to perpetuate hate in the name of some, supposedly, all-forgiving and loving God. Yet, this "God" is taught to be hating, condemning, and grudging. Historically, people who perpetuate hate in such perverse and hostile language, such as the way this pastor did, have some underlying issue with themselves on the same subject. I would not be surprised if he becomes one of these nationally recognized figures for living a double life in several years, having gay partners and actions – let's see what happens, can't wait!
Why do churches carry out political motivated speeches that Jesus Christ himself never involved in........the quotes they always repeat are from the Jewish Bible and not the new verse.
grasping at straws
I for one am a raging hetero but one of my 5 children is not. I am one of those people responsible for producing a gay child. I personally take great offense to this severely misguided individual's sermon. I'm sure his intent wasn't genuine but more an attempt at getting a reaction. Trust me, I and all others who agree with me will defend our bright, loving, wonderful children from this kind of insanity till the end of time in person, in public and even here on a news blog.
Lilith – You are a special lady, who gives unconditional love. I know of parents who have shunned their children, when they discovered they were gay. If only the world had more people in it, like you. I was the only gay child of 7 kids, and it was tough. But, like you, my mom gave me unconditional love and support. It took time, but it is the one thing in my life I treasure. I was so scared when she found out! But, she was a wise woman, filled with love. We had the best relationship, and it made us both stronger. We ended up closer than all of my other brothers did, to my mom.
It's the reaction I"m worried about. What if someone decides to hurt someone else because they believe their actions are sanctioned by God and this crazy wack job? You can hear people in his congregation agreeing with him when he talks about the fence.
This is a guy that is too scared to face up to the inconsistencies that his life has left him with. He would have refused to believe germ theory when it was proposed, or refused to drive a car when it was invented. Change scares him and he cannot cope.
Thanks edwardo, thank you for your support, I can't imagine any other way to treat her. I had known for a while but when I overheard her discussing how scared she was to let me know, I had no choice but to let her know I already knew and that it was OK and I wanted nothing more than for her to be happy as the person she was meant to be.
Just because you have a gay child makes you nothing special. Maybe if you would have introduced your child to God then maybe he would not have been misguided and even if you did maybe you failed as a parent.
Lilith – it's comments like Wow's that make the world such a dreadful place for gay people. I didn't mention my mother was a Pentecostal preacher! Yep! I was raised on a church pew, and "introduced to god". I assure you, I was born gay, have always been gay, and always will be. I have a better life than my siblings who have been thru divorces (with children involved), I'm happily partnered for 14 years now, we both have great careers, a beautiful home, and do volunteer work in our spare time. So WOW.. smoke that in your crack pipe. You're jealous for a good reason. Hugz Lilith !!
@WOW lol, my children went to a christian grade school. Your asumption betrays you and exposes your biased based on knowing nothing but asuming too much on "faith". I'm sorry you don't have a capacity to unconditionally love your own child, may the God in your mind help you to find the truth in reality.
Guess you both failed as parents then... FAILED!
@wow, perhaps I did fail as a parent, does that mean I should hate my child for it or allow people like you to hate them for my failing (as you put it)? You still have no justification for hating my daughter for how she was born or how I "failed" her. I take full responsibility for my parenting and I'll take the credit too.
As a gay man, I am always happy when pastors like this show their true colors. There is nothing better for the acceptance of me as a person than the noxious behavior of those who despise me. Others become more tolerant when they see someone act as this pastor did and think to themselves, God's love must be even more powerful than this man's hate. Thank you, Pastor Worley. You've likely done more good for gays with your sermon than the Stonewall riots did forty-plus years ago.
Abomination
Bob: What you and the rest of us are witnessing is simply prophecy coming true. (again) It has reached the point in our society where folks of such differering opinions will no longer be able to live in peace. This is a time of the symbolic separation of the sheep and the goats. I can't speak for you, but I can definitely sense a pull in our world, and especially our culture where the whole country is being split right down the middle. As individuals, we have to make a choice on where we stand (oooh there's that pesky choice word again) and we have to decide for ourselves on WHY. The, "that's how I was raised" excuse will no longer work.
In the end, we just have to have faith that good will triumph over evil. What worries me most, is that what we've been taught as right, will actually turn out to be wrong, and what we always thought of as wrong, will turn out to be right. What rock solid compass can we use in this murky world to keep from getting lost? Simply live and let live seems to work for me.
CNN were do my post go?
this one made it?
cnn is run by black and gender confused people
There is a fucking filter grasshopper. Learn to get around it, or perish. 😈
I have so much to say but will keep it short, regardless of your own beliefs this is how Hitler thought. Is that really how you want to "fix" things. Also Gays can reproduce children. I am straight and my husband is straight and we have a gay daughter and straight son so locking them up isnt going to stop anything as if that were a good option. Should the parents of gays be locked up too? What about my parents? them too??? IGNORANCE needs EDUCATION...
Did you know Hitler or did you read about it in a history book? LOL
"Did you not know I judge character and love can never be a sin?" HooMoerictis 3:17
no, it was designed to go in there and PROCREATE!
Tens of thousands of babies starve to death every day!! And you're on here screaming PROCREATE?? Your god can't feed all the babies that are here now. I wish your parents hadn't procreated.
That is a myth. The se'xual function serves MORE than ONE purpose.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bonobos/about.html
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/se'x-dawn/201202/7-things-bonobos-can-teach-us-about-love-and-se'x
1) god is an alien
2) you missed the whole point of the statement.
3) I don't scream
4) the point was nature intended for us to procreate, we can choose not to. Gender confused people don't have that option.
I'm confused? I disagree. I know what I like! 🙂
@mariska – You're taking on quite a battle if you're going after those who engage in $e x that doesn't result in procreation.
I am a conservative Christian who opposes gay marriage, but I am ashamed of this pastor's comments. He does not represent Christ. There can be disagreement without hate. Both sides are many times guility of that.
Thank you.
No one can represent Jesus Mr. Randy. You as a Christian should already know that. We all fall short. You need to go read your Bible some more and maybe the darkness from your eyes just might be cleared. You FAILED.
Randy – you live in the United States, under the Constîtution, yet you advocate ignoring the Constîtution in favor of forcing the whole country to live under your version of a god?
Why?
The fact that nobody got up and pointed out this "man of God" was essentially proposing to put people in concentration camps is proof that we need psychological evaluations to be mandatory for all employees (paid or unpaid) of churches if they want to keep their tax exempt status. Otherwise, this exposes mentally vulnerable people to dangerous ideas.
I agree drj.....this proves that with the right people and the right conditions atrocities like the holocaust could happen again anywhere...even here.
If we ever lose law & order...it is people like this who will be persecuting others and killing people in mass numbers. I bet my money on it. He sounds like Hitler up there.
And that's the whole point folks. Exactly what Too Much said. We're doomed to repeat history if we don't rise above ourselves and advance as a race. Too often religion works against this.
Gay people should be evaulated instead.
Evaluated for what?
Preach it BROTHER! You have the right to voice your opinion just as the gay community and if the gays want to get on here an cry about what you said then you know they are thin skinned and cry babies.
Some idiot wants to segregate me behind an electric fence and that makes me a crybaby?
"Thin skinned and cry babies"? At least we're not a bunch of thugs, who gang up on the minority, and the vulnerable. This coward is trying to rally the troops (like Hitler), and do the job he's too cowardly to do himself. I bet he wouldn't say to my face, what he said behind that pulpit.. guaranteed !!!
Won't you be surprised when all the bigots end up behind the electric fence.
Dork.
Free speech does not equal hate speech in my book. you and your kind are disgusting humans who are nothing buy hypocrites. May God be real so he can send people like you & this preacher to hell where you belong.
Hey Eddie oh edwardo LOL... sounds like you are thug yourself... say it to your face LOL You are such a tough guy LOL OH WAIT you are a JOKE.
Hey O'Danny BOY, didn't hear any hate in his message but his opinion. Get your facts straight O'Danny BOY
You either have free speech or you have censorship. Hate speech shouldn't exist (as a legal construct). No matter how disgusting to rational individuals, this pastor should be allowed to speak his mind.
@WOW .. Yep, I am not afraid of you, or this so called subhuman preacher. And yep, I'm a tough guy. Had to toughen up against people like you. Many have tried to bash me... ALL HAVE FAILED... INCLUDING YOU!
http://my.journalstar.com/Husker_Extra_Group/Life_in_the_Red
Tom, Tom the Piper's Son
@.mariska adler
Oh btw, the ‘gender confused’ can reproduce. Just not with each other. Hell there is a story on CNN right now about a woman who reproduced with a dead man. Yea.. so have fun with that one.
They have to get off spring from people who aren't failing at nature...... so have fun with that one......
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Galatians 5:7-12 "a wolf in sheep's clothing". This guy is not a Pastor of Christ, he is a wolf; a false teacher spreading a false gospel, plain and simple. I think a true pastor needs to preach to him some Law; remind him of his place in this world; then let him hear the Gospel. I say to the members of his church (and others who listen to his ramblings and are deceived) "beware of the wolf."
I'll tell you what would be wrong. For me to live a lie and not be who I am. As a gay man do you really think I should marry a woman? Really? Is that fair to her? Oh, of course not. You mean I should spend my life alone, fighting off all temptations.
F that. Not wasting my one shot at life because of something you believe.
And besides, both Jesus and Paul made it clear that most he ter o men couldn't handle a life of celibacy and that "it's better to marry than to burn". Yet they think that all ho mo $e xuals somehow are better equipped for a life of celibacy? How ridiculous.
Fergit Jeebus and Saul. It's as "natura"l as breathing. mhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.ht
Patrick- so your asking why men and women have similar features? So when they procreate like NATURE intended babies take on traits of the mother and father.
Oh, so educated and informative, please tell us more know it all
And that explains why men have ni pp les? There's absolutely no reason for it, and that includes the crock you just spewed. NATURE gives us hermaphrodites and people with over 20 different conditions that give people the PHYSICAL characteristics of BOTH genders. But yet your tiny mind can't comprehend that some people might be wired with attraction for the same gender only.
tehehehe
I'm right, you know I'm right. And that's aggravating you.
So lets see, birds have similar features like...... FEATHERS so they mate the way nature intended.
cats
dogs
honey badgers
grizzly bears
polar bears
ALL POSSESSING........WAT.......AH....... SIMILAR FEATURES. Their instinct is to mate with the opposite gender.
ect ect ect...
They are doing it the way nature intended it to be done.
@mariska – No, in many populations, especially birds, there is a percentage that is EXCLUSIVELY attracted to the same gender and will never mate with the opposite gender in their lifetime. I suggest you read "Biological Exuberance" by Bruce Bahgemihl which compiles decades of studies and observations.
Not to be blunt, Mariska, but would you say a pe nis is a more "similar feature" to a va gin a or is a va gin a a more "simlar feature" to an as s hole?
Patrick, you are assuming that Mariska can read. Do they publish that book as a pop-up book with an audio recording so Mariska can follow your suggestion?
show me 1 gender confused bird.
TheTruth2121, sorry I took your pop up book with mazes and coloring sections. I'll give it back.
no it was designed to go in and procreate!
A friend of mine, a straight hillbilly type from Arkansas who raised show pigeons, claimed he used to "have no use for qu ee rs", until he ran across several c0c ks and hens that wouldn't mate and then put them in the same cage because he didn't know what else to do with them, and then they started mating rituals with the same $ ex. Then he said he threw an egg in there to see what would happen and invariably, one c0 ck or one hen would take on the female role and try to hatch the egg while the other would stand guard, just as opposite gender pigeons usually do. As I said before, try reading Bruce Bahgemihl's "Biological Exuberance" or even go to Youtube and search on "hom o$ exuality in animals".
This poor ignorant man needs to lose this church. I can't believe this is how people want their children to be taught at this church. To think that these people think it's okay for a "man of God" to teach putting gays in the same holocaust that the Jews were subjected to. Electric fences and dropped feedings. You know Mr Worley that the Bible talks against gluttony as well. Does not look like you missed too many dropped meals yourself there sir. I'm proud to say that I as a gay man am a better person than this false man of God. The Bible does say that there will be false churches in the world. Looks like we know the location of one of those churches. I sure hope this man does not have kids in his famliy that he is subjecting this filth to. I would pull my children from this church immediately!
Amen! I don't remember Jesus preaching hatred and intolerance.
Why don't you guys get concerned with things JESUS actually addressed, like this?
Matthew 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xu al immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Why aren't you trying to ban divorce and remarriage??? Know what a hypocrite is? Read Romans 2.
Because those particular chestnuts are inconvenient for the hypocrites.
"They can't reproduce." – .....must say that he has got a point here
Yeah, what a great point. So who do you think is reproducing the gays and le $b ians?
Actually, I think a more accurate wording would be that they, as a group, tend to CHOOSE to not engage in behaviors that make reproduction a possibility. Which with our current population numbers, isn't exactly a bad idea. Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of the lifestyle one bit, but hey, I don't have to live it. That's the beauty of this country and of free will. We can CHOOSE which urges or desires to follow in our lives. I've learned the hard way that just because I WANTED something, didn't mean it would be in my best interest to have or do it.
However, that is a personal journey that each individual must make on their own.
I Ron Brown from the University of Nebraska support this message
@anon
There's the choose word again. If you aren't gay, how can you possibly know whether or not it's a choice? I am gay and can tell you beyond all doubt that it is not.
How is that a good point?
Do you think when gay people reproduce they make all the new gay people in the world?
Dur dee der derp
To Tb63: Whoa, whoa WHOA!! I'm sorry but I HAVE to comment on that one. You need to go down to the police station and file a se#ual assault report on the man who is holding you down and forcing his pen!s up your a$$. You might not know this, but he is r@ping you.
Do you get my point? Did you understand my earlier post? You may feel the urge to bed with a man for reasons beyond your control, or for whatever reason is PERCEIVED as beyond your control, but you are DEFINITELY making the choice to lay with him. I'm straight, and when I lay with a man it is a fully aware, and conscious choice. Do gays somehow go into a hypnotic state during this time where they don't know or have no control over what they are doing?
I must admit I suffer a bit of a female ego thing when I think on this subject. It's no ones fault, but mine, but somehow I always felt offended as a woman that any man would have the gall or nerve (gasp) to be more attracted to an ugly hairy man then a round, beautiful woman. And I'm straight. Ha ha Go figure 🙂
Then again, I guess it all really boils down to what your perception of ugly and hairy is. To each his own, let's just not have any misunderstanding when it comes to choices vs. hunger and desire.
Then again, I guess it all really boils down to what your perception of ugly and hairy is. To each his own, let's just not have any misunderstanding when it comes to choices vs. urges and desire. Why is it acceptable to bring up choice when it comes to killing an extremely immature human life, or who straight people go home with from the bar, but not with gays? Is it just because the word choice brings up a touchy subject they have had to battle for years when it came to who they are attracted too? Okay, that's fine, and I understand but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Lets leave throwing out babies to the abortion clinics, okay.
Huh?
Sorry tb63. I was all over the place wasn't I? My brain works pretty fast, and often thinks of several things at once, and sometimes I don't catch it in time before it gets posted.
Going to try posting this again. It went to the wrong place the first time.
It's okay. There is choice involved when one realizes they are gay, and that choice is whether to fight or embrace their true selves. It is quite a journey I can tell you. I struggled many years. Just know that having gone through it I am happy and surrounded by a huge circle of family and friends. What's important is that kids going through what did know that there is a beautiful life ahead of them. It does indeed get better.
@ anon – you can choose which individuals you have sèx with. You cannot choose which gender you are sèxually attracted too.
Huge difference.