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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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Worley,
You should be condemned and arrested for preaching genocide. You call yourself a pastor? Shame on you!
No, he shouldn't be arrested. Free speech must be vehemently defended.
Actually I do agree with RationalLIbertarian on this one, UNLESS, the Pastor portrays his instruction as somehow more worthy than professional instruction from a Doctor or Psychologist. Then I think he should be held accountable in the same way a doctor or psychologist can be held accountable for malpractice.
Rational Libertarian, if hate speech is protected and vehemently defended do you defend Charles Manson? He never killed anyone, just talked about it & others did the killing. Should he be free to sermonize about it?
I'm pretty sure he had some direct involvement in the killings but if not, then yes, he should be free to do whatever racist hippy stuff he wants to do.
Rational, being "pretty sure" does not make it right. He was found guilty but not of actually killing anyone, so you need to start defending him and get him out of prison. I understand and agree with your main point, but there are limits to freedoms. The weaker minds in our society can easily be called to action by an "authority" speaking like this. People in positions of authority need to take responsibility for their authority status.
This îdiot pastor has a right to say whatever hatefully things he wants. He does not have a right to incite his minions to commit violence. If he exhorts his psychotic minions to go and kill gay folks, then he could be brought up on hate crime laws.
Btw, what is up with North Carolina these days? Haters who somehow believe they are Christian-surely an indication of a serious mental health issue.
Probably the same thing that anti-Christian haters have been up to for the past decade. Hypocrisy stinks, ya know?
why call them haters for expressing their beliefs regarding a topic ... hm, we do vote in this country, right ... one could call you a hater for your opinion about them
What an arrogant, close-minded, rude human being!!! I feel sorry for the people in this man's congregation because this P O S is the FURTHEST thing from a Christian. God doesn't care who you love. He only cares that you treat ALL people with respect and dignity. How would he like it if I said we should gather up all the disgusting people in the world like this guy and put them in a crematorium? This way, no more hateful, sick, offensive, and highly disturbing comments will be made about people that contribute more to society than this man ever will. I think he should focus a little more on spreading the word of God instead of bashing God's children. O and Pastor, what is "aginit??" Pretty sure last time I looked in the dictionary, "again" and "it" are two separate words.
What a load of ignorant claptrap...
"How would he like it if I said we should gather up all the disgusting people in the world like this guy and put them in a crematorium?"
Why must you lie to make your point? Is it because you really have no just rational for you position. The guy didn't advocate killing them as you insinuate. He merely suggested that they be separated which is prudent when you think about it. They are a canncer to us and our children.
The cancer to you and your children is your learned bigotry
Prudent? Cancer? You don't really belong in America, do you?
If its sin or the absolute truth, then its not bigotry at all. By your reasoning murder would be ok to where we know its sinful.
Well I guess we can now ignore anything form 'mariska adler' with 'her' Jewish name. If she 'hearts' Hitler then we can be very certain that 'she' is nothing but your run-of-the-mill tiresome troll. 'Her' parents must be so proud!
She's already admitted she hates bl@cks.
adler is german you dip stick and both names are nordic however I am pleased you took the time to look my name up
Yes I do I'll never deny that.
If he hates gays then, maybe, just maybe he is gay and has self hatred issues. Studies have shown that people who hate gays that much, are really gay themselves and hate themselves for not coming out. Talk to a therapist pastor Worsley!!! It's just so obvious or he is just plain EVIL!! Get a life!!!
I dare you to cite the studies...
@Bill the Cat – You can see a video of one on youtube if you just go to youtube and search on "middle $e xes experiment on ho mo phobia".
@Bill the Cat – Of course you have to delete the spaces and change the $ to an s.
You tube???? Seriously??? How about something a bit more scholarly?
@Bill the Cat
Is the Department of Psychology at the University of Georgia scholarly enough?
Their research indicates that there is a correlation between homophobia and arousal by homosexual imagery.
See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
This is all very entertaining, but if anyone thinks that gay marriage is anything but inevitable, you're in for a shock.
Agreed, the world is already too small a place to be worrying about who's gay and who's not. We just need to learn to coexist and if need be leave each other alone. Cause the last time someone said something close to that, it didn't turn out too well.
Whether it's throwing people behind a fence or passing laws to control what people do, if you support taking action to force people to comply with your beliefs, you're a far cry from the mandate of Jesus Christ to "turn the other cheek".
Wanna quit with the eisegesis? Turn the other cheek is in regard to offenses against ones own person and not matters of morality and sin. Otherwise the Christian could not fulfill the command to be salt and light to a lost and dying world.
Turn the other cheek was Jesus' words on someone else striking you across the face to shame you. It has nothing to do with pointing out sin.
Someone slapping you has nothing to do with morality? Really?
Really! In the culture of the Bible, it was the one who lost the battle of words who would resort to violence. Turning the other cheek was a way to show them that they had lost the debate.
Bill the Cat, as is typical for religious opinions, you're just making that up. Jesus never explained it that way, you are just deciding what you want it to mean.
all the Jesus freaks in here is appalling
You're appalling racist garbage.
In what world was that a racist statement? And I don't think Jesus would have anything to do with this idiot.
Weird huh? Who would ever thought that Christians would come to a "Belief" blog and convey their beliefs?
Give me a break. What did you think when you came to this site? That it is for atheists and agnostics only? That Christians would remain silent? LORD help us!
Jesus is an alien anyway I don't see how that statement was racist.
@willard – Her previous statements where she said she hates bl@cks because of her personal experience with bl@cks were racist.
this world is weak and getting weaker. to much evil in it. but i think the bible spoke of it coming to pass. sad but got to go on with life.... i do love to see the preachers stand for god
Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Genesis 19:33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
The Bible also has correct punctuation and capitalization. Is it blasphemous not to? If so, you are a heathen and should be punished for your blasphemy.
Genesis 19:8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Matthew 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xu al immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
How come you never see your god stand for a preacher? Oh cuz did does not exist. Pretty simple.
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Numbers 31: (Moses Speaking) 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now ki11 all the boys. And ki11 every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
2 Kings 6:27 The king replied, “If the LORD does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?” 28 Then he asked her, “What’s the matter?”
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
FORGIVE ME CHRISTIANS IF I'VE TAKEN SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT. PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CORRECT CONTEXT AND HOPEFULLY, IF THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU WILL DRAW SOME SOULS TOWARDS CHRIST. (THIS SHOULD CLEAR OUT THE FORUM)
Pepperment Patty Patrick: It is easy to cut and paste LOL!!!! Why don't you make one point and defend it?
@WOW – Why don't you tell me how any one of those verses could have come from the Creator of our Universe.
@WOW – I'm cutting and pasting scriptures directly from your Bible. I'd think you'd be thrilled.
Ah... nothing like foisting Western individualistic values and definitions on Eastern concepts.
Patty, why do you ask a question to make a point? How about making a point and defending it. If the question is your point then I can just say prove that they are not from God. You can only comment on points, not make one. Go home, you FAILED.
He loves us! More than we love ourselves. So much that he would round us all up and put us in a cage until we died off. This must be the love that will know you are Christian by.
And what is wrong with that? You've been given the absolutely truth and reject it. Nothing more cab be done for you then. You depravity is like a cancer which we have no desire to view or be exposed to.
anyone who claims they have the "absolute truth" is a pompous fool
Or a Christian (although I suppose they equate).
No, anyone who claims to have absolute truth decided to get off their butt instead of being lazy like you and did exhaustive research to arrive at that that truth.
Define exhaustive research.
sam stone
so are you a fool?
It is to bad the gltb people do not focus on how out of control and corrupt the government is instead of focusing their attention on someone who is "RIGHT" you people are not special, you have the same rights everyone else has. But they expect more because they have a problem and want special rights and you want acceptance into the main stream population when in fact it is them that are ill and need sever help. The youth of this country are being programmed into accepting these sick people as well as being programmed to have no free thinking, comply,conform, do not question authority no individualism there are no looser's. Keep up the good work Pastor you have more support than you know! There still is freedom of speech and it is 'OK' to dislike, question "ALL" authority, never ever trust the police they are not your friend, and the government is the axis of "EVIL" it has become a tyranny !!!!
Name one "special right" we're asking for. Let me predict the response: SILENCE.
Sounds like the kind of thing Jesus said, oh no wait...that was Hitler??...
<3 hitler
If you love something, put it inside an electrified fence?
Why don't you guys get concerned with things JESUS actually addressed, like this?
Matt 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xu al immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinth 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Why aren't you trying to ban divorce and remarriage??? Know what a hypocrite is? Read Romans 2.
It's important to understand that the book you call the bible, has been manipulated and re written many times, so as to ensure the flock do what their told.
Jeff
please provide proof of your claims
@Jeff – Of course you and I understand it. But they're supposedly going by this interpretation. Why aren't they banning divorce and remarriage?
Patrick
it is a sin for someone to divorce .... whose arguing that ... sins – when repented for, are also forgiven
@bren22 – So once again, why don't you ban it like you're banning gay marriage?
i don't have the power too but in most cases i would if i could after having worked with so many families that have been devestated by it ... no wonder the Bible tells us that God hates divorce
Luke 3:37
You, sir, shall be judged. You, sir, shall be condemned. You, sir, shall not be forgiven. These are the words from your own book. If you are simply taking the words that work for your personal cause and distorting their context to incite, and mislead, your "flock," then you are no more than a performer.... a clown as it were. As I am neither gay nor christian, I have to say that I would be FAR more concerned to find out my children were christians than home os ex ual.
Luke 6:37...
hey, the very thing this 'minister' is guilty of, you are too ... ripping one passage out of context
May I suggest to Mariska that she do a little more research before she writes another post?
She specifically seems to be interested in cases of gay birds.
Mariska, go to google and type in "Gay penguin couple given egg of their own" for a little insight.
it was yet another EXAMPLE that just flew right over your head. Perhaps you should look up metaphors
tea party!!!!
The good thing is at least this church will lose its tax exemption. Sorry loud mouth but you forgot churches can't endorse or oppose candidates of any kind which you certainly did. Thats the one rule of maintaining tax exempt status. Time to pay up!
Prince Ray wrote, " Personally, I do not desire to either Gay Bash, nor Lesbian Bash those who have chosen this lifestyle. And yes, it is a chosen lifestyle, for those gay doctors/scientists who are attempted to try to discover a gay gene, and make God out to be a liar, they have found no such gene!. "
Why do people who purposefully choose to ignorant about science come onto message boards and demonstrate that ignorance for all to see?
Since you, like other fundiots claim that gays choose to gay, why don't you go ahead and post the citations to the peer-reviewed scientific research that supports this idea?
When you do post them, make sure they are in this standard format –
The neurodevelopment of human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sèxual orientation.
James WH.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male hômosèxuality.
Blanchard R.
Horm Behav. 2001 Sep;40(2):105-14. Review.
The neurodevelopment of human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
Fluctuating asymmetry, second to fourth finger length ratios and human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Psychoneuroendocrinology. 2005 May;30(4):382-91. Epub 2005 Jan 13.
The biology of human psychosèxual differentiation.
Gooren L.
Horm Behav. 2006 Nov;50(4):589-601. Epub 2006 Jul 25. Review.
Finger-length ratios and sèxual orientation.
Williams TJ, Pepitone ME, Christensen SE, Cooke BM, Huberman AD, Breedlove NJ, Breedlove TJ, Jordan CL, Breedlove SM.
Nature. 2000 Mar 30;404(6777):455-6.
A biologic perspective on sèxual orientation.
Pillard RC, Bailey JM.
Psychiatr Clin North Am. 1995 Mar;18(1):71-84. Review.
Androgens and sèxual behavior.
Pardridge WM, Gorski RA, Lippe BM, Green R.
Ann Intern Med. 1982 Apr;96(4):488-501. Review.
Hormones and psychosèxual differentiation: implications for the management of intersèxuality, hômosèxuality and transsèxuality.
Meyer-Bahlburg HF.
Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1982 Nov;11(3):681-701.
Sèxual orientation and handedness in men and women: a meta-ànalysis.
Lalumiere ML, Blanchard R, Zucker KJ.
Psychol Bull. 2000 Jul;126(4):575-92.
Quantîtative and theoretical ànalyses of the relation between older brothers and hômosèxuality in men.
Blanchard R.
J Theor Biol. 2004 Sep 21;230(2):173-87.
Linkage between sèxual orientation and chromosome Xq28 in males but not in females.
Hu S, Pattatucci AM, Patterson C, Li L, Fulker DW, Cherny SS, Kruglyak L, Hamer DH.
Nat Genet. 1995 Nov;11(3):248-56.
Neuroendocrine mechanisms and the aetiology of male and female hômosèxuality.
MacCulloch MJ, Waddington JL.
Br J Psychiatry. 1981 Oct;139:341-5. Review.
Hormones and psychosèxual differentiation.
Giordano G, Giusti M.
Minerva Endocrinol. 1995 Sep;20(3):165-93. Review.
Neuropsychological development of cognitive abilities: a new research strategy and some preliminary evidence for a sèxual orientation model.
Sanders G, Ross-Field L.
Int J Neurosci. 1987 Sep;36(1-2):1-16. Review.
Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male hômosèxuality.
Blanchard R.
Horm Behav. 2001 Sep;40(2):105-14. Review.
Sèx steroids and human behavior: prenatal androgen exposure and sèx-typical play behavior in children.
Hines M.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2003 Dec;1007:272-82. Review.
Androgens and sèxuality.
Hutchinson KA.
Am J Med. 1995 Jan 16;98(1A):111S-115S. Review.
Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sèxual orientation.
James WH.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
Neurobiology and sèxual orientation: current relationships.
Friedman RC, Downey J.
J Neuropsychiatry Clin Neurosci. 1993 Spring;5(2):131-53. Review.
Genetic and environmental influences on sèxual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample.
Bailey JM, Dunne MP, Martin NG.
J Pers Soc Psychol. 2000 Mar;78(3):524-36.
Why do people who purposefully choose to ignorant about science come onto message boards and demonstrate that ignorance for all to see?
You were saying...
i feel like im sitting in the worlds weirdest class room
bring out all the posters like you so we can tease you.
I couldn't help but notice that none of you super-geniuses bothered to either post a citation to peer-reviewed science showing gays choose to be gay, or refuted a single solitary one of the citations I posted.
Why is that? Why, after tens of thousands of requests has a single solitary one of you môrons had the balls to post a single solitary citation that supports your contention?
This is exactly the mentality that the GOP/Tea Party is promoting and now they are using religion to promote their ideology of hate and derision. So sad!
Please cite any proof you have of the GOP planning to put LGBT people into concentration camps.
Rational Libertarian....you totally missed what I was saying. No where did I mention putting gays and lesbians behind fences as in the article. If you had actually read what I said instead of what you wanted to see and respond to, you would have seen the words mentality and ideology. I was speaking about the closed minded repressive culture and the GOP/Tea Party is clinging to and trying to spread. Now, they are using religion to spread this same ideology. Any sane person who knows anything about religion or humanity would not follow such thinking.