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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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Let's imagine for a second how many gay children might be in that congregation growing up hearing that kind of nonsense with no idea that mainstream medicine, science and psychology say the exact opposite. GOD BE WITH THEM. THE REAL GOD.
Nice barrel roll!
That's what concerns me the most patrick. this congregation has children who are either being raised to be violent bigots or are gay themselves and live in fear and self hatred. terrible.
@Peppy – How is that a barrell roll?
Patrick, I think it means you are a sane person with an enlightened point of view that he agrees with, at least judging by where he has said that to people here. Then again, I could be dead wrong.
Yes, Wow, barrel roll!
"Yes, Wow, barrel roll!"
INTERPRETATION: I don't know what a barrell roll is and I don't even know how it would apply here. I just like saying it.
Patrick, if you continue on this path of doubting the power of the barrel roll, I will have to revoke your status. Now get out there and barrel roll people like freethinker again!
What an idiot and the people who agree with him are just as stupid.
Congratulations, Barbara, you just did a barrel roll! Yay!
Peppy thinks it's onto something called the "barrell roll" yet it can't explain it. LOL.
Take note world: Nobody can out-bigot us! USA is still number 1 (in idiocy and bigotry)
You KNOW this guy is in the closet. He wants all the gays locked up in one place so he knows where he can go for a quickie. Sick individual. He should leave people alone and work on himself
This guy is not the problem at all. There are a ton of hate mongering mentally ill people in the country. His followers, anyone who gives him a voice, anyone who didn't walk out of his 'sermon' are the problem.
Yeah the moderator is not allowing posts if you think gay is evil
And yet here yours are, deluded though they may be.
You're just not smart enough to figure out how to post. And guess what. We aren't going to help you. I was here when you got here and I'll still be here when you're long gone.
WHY IS THIS GUY DOING THIS WHY IS IT PEOPLE ARE SO CRUEL AND IGNORANT I LOVE EVERYONE AND I AM A GAY MAN I SEE THIS VERY SCARY WHY BE SO HATRED IN YOUR PREACHING
The LORD knows all and sees all, even the very thoughts you have. Even when the moderator stops someone from posting the Truth, Love, and Word of God because he/she does not like the message. You are not stopping my words but His. May the LORD open your eyes! I pray for you!
Is God up my a ss?
Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Genesis 19:33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
Steve you are a moron.
Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Genesis 19:8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Matthew 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xu al immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
John you are a moron. I feel no pity at your stupidity. Sorry Steve. I was referring to the hateful john.
Numbers 31: (Moses Speaking) 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now ki11 all the boys. And ki11 every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
2 Kings 6:27 The king replied, “If the LORD does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?” 28 Then he asked her, “What’s the matter?”
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
FORGIVE ME CHRISTIANS IF I'VE TAKEN SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT. PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CORRECT CONTEXT AND HOPEFULLY, IF THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU WILL DRAW SOME SOULS TOWARDS CHRIST. (THIS SHOULD CLEAR OUT THE FORUM)
Sin is wrong but so is violence or vengeance. Read the Word!
To David....Before you pass judgment, read my other post. The moderator would not let me post it another way. Sin is wrong but so is calling for violence or vengeance against another!
patrick
i cannot know what your particular struggles are like, but i do know struggle like so many others who are trying to live as followers of Christ – heck, Christ knew struggle and temptation, but still chose not to sin ... i've worked with people who wrestle with addictions of all sorts [hm, are these also supposed to be genetic?] who fight, claw and cry ... praying for change – just like the apostle paul's thorn in his flesh ... just because i feel strongly inclined towwards something doesn't make it right – tell that to my wife if i feel strongly inclined to cheat on her
Spend a lot of time on your knees, do you Johnnie?
@John
You said, "The LORD knows all and sees all, even the very thoughts you have."
While you are free to believe in fairy tales and imaginary babysitters that read your mind, rational people will dismiss that nonsense for what it is.
In the US there is something called "freedom of religion". That means that you are free to believe and worship as you wish, no matter how infantile those beliefs may be, but also that everyone else is free to do the same. That means that your beliefs mean jack-shit for anyone else.
You are free to live your life according to your ancient fables and myths. You are not free to expect anyone else to do the same.
You said, "Even when the moderator stops someone from posting the Truth, Love, and Word of God because he/she does not like the message."
If you got your message from your bible, it is highly unlikely to be the truth. All you have is speculation. To believe that discrimination against a disliked minority is "what your god wants", is moronic at best. If you think your god wants to to actively make the lives of your fellow man miserable, you are worshiping a monster.
You said, "You are not stopping my words but His."
Pretty incompetent god you've got there, don't you think? If they were his words and he wanted them published, don't you thing an all-powerful being could figure out to circumvent the filters on this site?
You said, "May the LORD open your eyes!"
It wasn't your vile god that did it, but my eyes and mind are open.
You said, "I pray for you!"
And I'm sure that rational people will continue to think for you.
@bren222 – Sorry, but an addiction isn't the same as someone's $e xual orientation being a certain way for their entire life. And it hardly classifies as an addiction. I'm 43, but my $ ex life has died down. I never have $ ex. I'm still gay though. I have no attraction to the opposite gender.
To LinCA...Freedom of religion and speech. Great things aren't they when ALLOWED to express them. I just added you to my prayer list because I love you not because I hate you like you express towards me.
2Fools 13:24 – Patrick, one who loved the effeminate, preceded to spew vile and foul words from his mouth, knowingly mocking the Lord of Hosts. So because he would not repent, the Lord gave him over to a reprobate mind. Thus anyone explaining scriptural truths to Patrick shall waste their time.
STOP FUCKING PRAYING FOR US
WE DON'T WANT YOUR PATHETIC SHIT. KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES!
@John
You said, "Freedom of religion and speech. Great things aren't they when ALLOWED to express them."
You are free to show the world how much of a bigot you are. I'm free to show how inane your beliefs are. It is when you try to restrict other people from doing what they want based on your religion, is when you cross the line.
Your religion is no argument to stop anyone else from doing anything. Unless someone voluntarily subscribes to a particular religion, that religion has nothing to say. Your religion doesn't even have any say over whether someone who doesn't subscribe to it can commit murder (we have laws to cover that, but your religion should stay out of it).
If your religion helps its followers to obey secular law, that might be considered a benefit, but your religion is in no way a replacement for secular law, nor does it supersede it.
Your religion can place additional restrictions on you, but it doesn't place them on the general population. It also can't give you freedoms that are not available to the general population.
You said, "I just added you to my prayer list because I love you not because I hate you like you express towards me."
I'll let you know if I can tell the difference. Don't hold your breath, though.
Just for the record, I don't hate you, I merely hate your sins (does that sound familiar?).
I guess WordPress is stronger than your god. Who Knew!
You'd think an omnipotent god, who poofed the entire universe into existence with one thought, would be able to force a simple tît, àss, pènis, or fûck, past a filter that 8 year old boys can circûmvent with ease.
Its a choice...it's a perversion and it's wrong. It should be illegal to be gay.
Prove it.
Wow, so much for free thought.
You are so NOT a freethinker.
Unfortunately it's not illegal to be stupid, you just proved that.
Totally Wrong. We've had the ability to accurately and affordably test people's $e xu ality in a lab setting since the 1950s. And in all that time, not one person has ever been able to show that their $e xua lity changed during the course of their lifetime. Not from gay to straight, not from straight to gay, not even from gay to bi$ exu al. Not through theraputic means and not through religious means. Also, there have been tons of studies done on ho mo$ exua lity – if it was a choice there would be precursors to that choice leading someone to want to be attracted to the same gender or leading them to actually having attraction for the same gender – yet not one study has ever found any precursor or cause.
you sir, are a perversion.
Prove it? I don't need to prove it. The bible says it is so, and that's all there is to it. Wait you're too smart for religion.......google has done that to you kids.
Patrick
Please cite any references to these proofs that h omos exuality isn't a choice.
freethinker you clearly fell on your head you wicked creature you.
Prove the bible is a literal truth. The bible also says eating shelfish is a sin. it also says love thy neighbor and he who is without sin etc. I think gay people are probably the authority as to whether or not if it's a choice. if a gay person says it's not a choice, then it's not. aren't they the ones who would know?
I am a perversion? Why cause I disagree? Liberals are always right and if you disagree you're the wrg one.....that's the problem. Liberalsism is also a disease......you crybabies who think you're owed the world are destroying my country
Perhaps it would be best if it were illegal to be stupid.
The moderator won't let me tell you the truth.......liberalism at its best CNN
@ Freethinker, so what if you 2000 year old book of fairy tales says anything? Just because you take its every word at face value and use it to justify doing exactly what Jesus would have taught against doesn't mean that the rest of us do. You want to believe in that, that's your choice. Don't be gay if so. Also don't try to force your puke on the rest of the world.
"your 2000"
@Rational Libertarian –
The neurodevelopment of human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sèxual orientation.
James WH.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male hômosèxuality.
Blanchard R.
Horm Behav. 2001 Sep;40(2):105-14. Review.
The neurodevelopment of human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
Fluctuating asymmetry, second to fourth finger length ratios and human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Psychoneuroendocrinology. 2005 May;30(4):382-91. Epub 2005 Jan 13.
The biology of human psychosèxual differentiation.
Gooren L.
Horm Behav. 2006 Nov;50(4):589-601. Epub 2006 Jul 25. Review.
Finger-length ratios and sèxual orientation.
Williams TJ, Pepitone ME, Christensen SE, Cooke BM, Huberman AD, Breedlove NJ, Breedlove TJ, Jordan CL, Breedlove SM.
Nature. 2000 Mar 30;404(6777):455-6.
A biologic perspective on sèxual orientation.
Pillard RC, Bailey JM.
Psychiatr Clin North Am. 1995 Mar;18(1):71-84. Review.
Androgens and sèxual behavior.
Pardridge WM, Gorski RA, Lippe BM, Green R.
Ann Intern Med. 1982 Apr;96(4):488-501. Review.
Hormones and psychosèxual differentiation: implications for the management of intersèxuality, hômosèxuality and transsèxuality.
Meyer-Bahlburg HF.
Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1982 Nov;11(3):681-701.
Sèxual orientation and handedness in men and women: a meta-ànalysis.
Lalumiere ML, Blanchard R, Zucker KJ.
Psychol Bull. 2000 Jul;126(4):575-92.
Quantîtative and theoretical ànalyses of the relation between older brothers and hômosèxuality in men.
Blanchard R.
J Theor Biol. 2004 Sep 21;230(2):173-87.
Linkage between sèxual orientation and chromosome Xq28 in males but not in females.
Hu S, Pattatucci AM, Patterson C, Li L, Fulker DW, Cherny SS, Kruglyak L, Hamer DH.
Nat Genet. 1995 Nov;11(3):248-56.
Neuroendocrine mechanisms and the aetiology of male and female hômosèxuality.
MacCulloch MJ, Waddington JL.
Br J Psychiatry. 1981 Oct;139:341-5. Review.
Hormones and psychosèxual differentiation.
Giordano G, Giusti M.
Minerva Endocrinol. 1995 Sep;20(3):165-93. Review.
Neuropsychological development of cognitive abilities: a new research strategy and some preliminary evidence for a sèxual orientation model.
Sanders G, Ross-Field L.
Int J Neurosci. 1987 Sep;36(1-2):1-16. Review.
Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male hômosèxuality.
Blanchard R.
Horm Behav. 2001 Sep;40(2):105-14. Review.
Sèx steroids and human behavior: prenatal androgen exposure and sèx-typical play behavior in children.
Hines M.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2003 Dec;1007:272-82. Review.
Androgens and sèxuality.
Hutchinson KA.
Am J Med. 1995 Jan 16;98(1A):111S-115S. Review.
Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sèxual orientation.
James WH.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
Neurobiology and sèxual orientation: current relationships.
Friedman RC, Downey J.
J Neuropsychiatry Clin Neurosci. 1993 Spring;5(2):131-53. Review.
Genetic and environmental influences on sèxual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample.
Bailey JM, Dunne MP, Martin NG.
J Pers Soc Psychol. 2000 Mar;78(3):524-36.
You liberal commy atheist little punks......you know it all don't you. Sickening
That sir is propaganda written by left wing wack jobs........awful funny 99 percent of that garbage is after 2000
@Freethinker
Are you related to Cap'n Sayin' Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert?
You have the same trolling style.
Thank you Patrick.
Freethinker, you just got barrel rolled!
Ha! Freethinker is complaining that the research you posted is all later than the year 2000. He is actually complaining that the research is too current! That's hilarious!
Freethinker, you are just upset that you have zero proof of anything you say other than a book that spends the first half scaring the s**t out of everyone, and then the second half changing its message. A book written by men, for men, to subdue the masses and create more power and wealth.
Wow... why you got to go steal my name... LOL!!! I am WOW and you Wow.
@Freethinker
Math isn't your strong suit, it is.
9 of 22 citations are written BEFORE the year 2000.
There's around 25 years of scientific studies listed there.
And while I realize the likelihood of you ever having read a scientific paper is slim to nil, I hope you realize that such studies strive to be free of bias.
Facts are sterile, neither vulgar nor sublime. The data speak for itself.
Suck it up, buttercup
Free: Your throwing liberalism with this makes you look like a right wing moron.
WOW, yours is all caps, meaning it's World of Warcrfat. Mine is just an exclamation. I would prefer World of Warcraft, but you beat me to it!
And Religion Should be ILLEGAL too
These citations say you are wrong – and you've been given these articles many times before. Now we come to the part of the program where you respond with citations that support your position – that gays choose to be gay, and you respond with citations that refute this data. So far, not a single solitary one of you has gone past this point.
The neurodevelopment of human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sèxual orientation.
James WH.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male hômosèxuality.
Blanchard R.
Horm Behav. 2001 Sep;40(2):105-14. Review.
The neurodevelopment of human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
Fluctuating asymmetry, second to fourth finger length ratios and human sèxual orientation.
Rahman Q.
Psychoneuroendocrinology. 2005 May;30(4):382-91. Epub 2005 Jan 13.
The biology of human psychosèxual differentiation.
Gooren L.
Horm Behav. 2006 Nov;50(4):589-601. Epub 2006 Jul 25. Review.
Finger-length ratios and sèxual orientation.
Williams TJ, Pepitone ME, Christensen SE, Cooke BM, Huberman AD, Breedlove NJ, Breedlove TJ, Jordan CL, Breedlove SM.
Nature. 2000 Mar 30;404(6777):455-6.
A biologic perspective on sèxual orientation.
Pillard RC, Bailey JM.
Psychiatr Clin North Am. 1995 Mar;18(1):71-84. Review.
Androgens and sèxual behavior.
Pardridge WM, Gorski RA, Lippe BM, Green R.
Ann Intern Med. 1982 Apr;96(4):488-501. Review.
Hormones and psychosèxual differentiation: implications for the management of intersèxuality, hômosèxuality and transsèxuality.
Meyer-Bahlburg HF.
Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1982 Nov;11(3):681-701.
Sèxual orientation and handedness in men and women: a meta-ànalysis.
Lalumiere ML, Blanchard R, Zucker KJ.
Psychol Bull. 2000 Jul;126(4):575-92.
Quantîtative and theoretical ànalyses of the relation between older brothers and hômosèxuality in men.
Blanchard R.
J Theor Biol. 2004 Sep 21;230(2):173-87.
Linkage between sèxual orientation and chromosome Xq28 in males but not in females.
Hu S, Pattatucci AM, Patterson C, Li L, Fulker DW, Cherny SS, Kruglyak L, Hamer DH.
Nat Genet. 1995 Nov;11(3):248-56.
Neuroendocrine mechanisms and the aetiology of male and female hômosèxuality.
MacCulloch MJ, Waddington JL.
Br J Psychiatry. 1981 Oct;139:341-5. Review.
Hormones and psychosèxual differentiation.
Giordano G, Giusti M.
Minerva Endocrinol. 1995 Sep;20(3):165-93. Review.
Neuropsychological development of cognitive abilities: a new research strategy and some preliminary evidence for a sèxual orientation model.
Sanders G, Ross-Field L.
Int J Neurosci. 1987 Sep;36(1-2):1-16. Review.
Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male hômosèxuality.
Blanchard R.
Horm Behav. 2001 Sep;40(2):105-14. Review.
Sèx steroids and human behavior: prenatal androgen exposure and sèx-typical play behavior in children.
Hines M.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2003 Dec;1007:272-82. Review.
Androgens and sèxuality.
Hutchinson KA.
Am J Med. 1995 Jan 16;98(1A):111S-115S. Review.
Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sèxual orientation.
James WH.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
Neurobiology and sèxual orientation: current relationships.
Friedman RC, Downey J.
J Neuropsychiatry Clin Neurosci. 1993 Spring;5(2):131-53. Review.
Genetic and environmental influences on sèxual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample.
Bailey JM, Dunne MP, Martin NG.
J Pers Soc Psychol. 2000 Mar;78(3):524-36.
Gays get out, get help, just go away. Be a MAN
WOW wrote, " The real point is that if gay marraige is deemed "correct" in U.S. society then the population of the U.S. will start to go down while the Islamic population rises. "
Um...What?????
How the hell will letting gay folks marry drop our population? If we allow gay marriage, will straight people magically become gay? Will roving bands of gay folks break into straight homes and force folks to marry someone of the same sèx?
Please, for the love of gods, explain your logic to us.
I agree with this man, world is better without them.
@none thinker: and it would be great without you in it...............btu we are stuck with you so deal with it and join the 21st century or go live in a cave.
@none thinker: and it would be great without you in it...............but we are stuck with you so deal with it and join the 21st century or go live in a cave.
The ironic thing to me is that if we intended to make this world a better place it would actually be better to round up this pastor and his followers and complete his fence plan, you know, so they couldn't reproduce. Because we all know close mindedness and stupidity is hereditary.
Though on a gut level I agree with you, I am a firm believer that even someone as crass and seemingly vile as this man has a right to express his opinion. It is one of the things that makes this country what it is. Unfortunately, he wouldn't agree to apply the same principal to the people he would persecute.
This guy gets my vote for wack job of the century ...
Sorry, I got that last week at the massage parlor. He can maybe have 2nd best...
It's okay. There is choice involved when one realizes they are gay, and that choice is whether to fight or embrace their true selves. It is quite a journey I can tell you. I struggled many years. Just know that having gone through it I am happy and surrounded by a huge circle of family and friends. What's important is that kids going through what did know that there is a beautiful life ahead of them. It does indeed get better.
Darn. That was a reply to anon on another page.
I too spent years in celibacy and work and prayer trying to change my $e xuali ty and God made it clear that it wasn't something that can be changed.
Nice try Bill the cat & Bren222! Me being concerned about the psychotic break from reality that people display who profess to be Christian while saying that people they don't agree with should be rounded up in gay concentration camps doesn't make me a hater.
Just a fellow citizen who is concerned about the hateful level of discourse coming out these days. But carry on with your false equivalence if that gives you the comfort you seem to need. (p.s. a visit with a mental health counselor might do some good as well)
They go to bed furious. They wake up angry. Their scriptures are obviously adding a lot to their lives.
Great barrel roll, Mary!
patrick
who goes to bed and wakes up that way?
mary
i believe you are ignorantly stereo typing ... please don't lump all of us on the side of this 'pastor'
Why don't you guys get concerned with things JESUS actually addressed, like this?
Matt 19: (Jesus Speaking) 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $e xu al immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinth 7:10 To the mar ried I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Why aren't you trying to ban divorce and remarriage??? Know what a hyp ocrite is? Read Romans 2.
Patrick, you have been here as long as I and have read blogs from Christians that infuriate us and make us laugh. But the crux of the problem and I hope you share my view is that Christians repeat what they hear in church or Sunday school as they make all those notes in the margins. They never research any further then that. This why they like to quote versus. I bet most of them don't even know the definition of a parable, or any other word used repeatedly in the Bible. They believe what there taught like a caged, trained animal would do no more.
I agree TPN51. It kills me when they say things like "many scientists doubt evolution" or "archaeologists have proved the bible." They have obviously never met a biologist or an archaeologist, they are just parroting the false assertions given to them on their church website.
ALL Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 2Tim 3:16
Amen to that.
Thunder, with that mentality – the determination to never question or seek objective answers – you will have a very hard time learning anything solid in this life.
As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet that mentality is what led Pastor Worley to that dark ignorant place he preaches from.
Peppermint Patty: Guess you don't know that divorce was a very heated topic... oh yea... you only want to point out certain things about Christians. Get your facts straight once again... YOU FAILED.
The mindset of these folks is reflected in the writings of one of my favorite ignorant fundiot groups "Answers in Genesis". Right on their statement of faith it states, " By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. "
jesus set the bar high for tolerance and love. today's christians don't follow jesus's teachings ... that much is clear.
It's because there is a lost book of the bible in which Jesus did a barrel roll to confuse satan in the desert. That's how he got back. Today's christians don't do barrel rolls. If everybody would just do barrel rolls, everything would be ok.
Jim: I understand and agree with your statement, but don't lump all of us today. Many of us try our best to follow the teachings
of Jesus.
I don't consider people like this man a Christian. He's just a Bigot with a Bible.
He just *uses* the bible to support his bigotry.
No True Scotsman.
@Peppy – Can you post the actual verse for that one?
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]” At which time the Lord our God did a barrel roll and confused the devil. When Jesus had seen that the devil was no longer in pursuit, he performed a second, more graceful barrel roll which returned him to Jerusalem.
This man is just simply evil. No other way to look at it.
I'm not sure I'd even give him that much credit. I'd say it's more likely that he's just one synaptic failure away from braindead.
Yes there are other ways of looking at it. He's probably just a man who's mind has been warped by religious fanaticism since a young age. He was probably brought up in a fundamentalist Christian household, and has known nothing but the hateful side of religion his whole life. Doesn't make him evil.
Patrick: I understand what you wrote. But he is simply evil.
He's committed the greatest sin, and obviously is not sorry for it.
He's running people away from God. That is what Satan did in the very beginning of the Bible.
But of course, this "preacher" probably has bothered to read that part.
I don't know about anyone else but the comment about gays being gone in a couple years because they can't repoduce??? Such ignorance out there.
its true they couldn't reproduce
@mariska – And why would they need to reproduce when het er os produce so many of them? Is not being able to reproduce such a bad thing in a world with over 4 million orphans?
mariska, people aren't gay because they come from gay parents. Whether or not you removed all the gays from a population, new gay people would be continue to born in the original population because it is (clearly) a natural variant in human sexuality.
no, the point was they are doing it wrong.
Non- gender confused people have to choice if they want to or not.
"just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
referring to the grossly over populated world.
well then they fail also.
@Mariska – "Doing it wrong"??? And I suppose if you had no attraction whatsoever to the opposite gender and were dating or marrying the opposite gender you'd be doing it right? Really???
Patrick- i would use buckshot for mouth wash.
Mariska, please excuse me for my earlier post directed at you. I had not yet read your other comments and had mistaken you for a reasonable and possibly kind human being and answered accordingly. You are neither.
Just another Baptist Bigot.............
What would Jesus do?
He'd probably molest some kids.
punt earth right in the middle of the sun.
Libertarian, what you said was very hateful. Can't you see how that's just as bad as the Pastor? Human's are to blame for bigotry and hatred. I'm not the most religious person, but the philosophy of Jesus is total love and tolerance. Unlike yourself it appears.
Damn right it's hateful. I hate religion. Hate gets me up in the morning.
How is it as bad as what the pastor said? I'm making fun of a fictional character, the pastor is advocating the illegal detainment of millions of people. How does that equate?