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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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“Patrick
Nothing says "idi0 t" quite like this:
Numbers 31: (Moses Speaking) 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now ki11 all the boys. And ki11 every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
2 Kings 6:27 The king replied, “If the LORD does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?” 28 Then he asked her, “What’s the matter?”
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ 29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
FORGIVE ME CHRISTIANS IF I'VE TAKEN SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT. PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CORRECT CONTEXT AND HOPEFULLY, IF THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU WILL DRAW SOME SOULS TOWARDS CHRIST. (THIS SHOULD CLEAR OUT THE FORUM)”
The context for the reference from Numbers 31:15 – 18 is God told Moses to avenge the children of Israel against the Midianites see versus 1 and 2 of the same chapter. If you want to know why God wanted vengance read Numbers chapter 25. Some of it is also mentioned again in the verses you referenced. The woman of the Midianites had enticed the men of Israel and caused them to sin against God by worshiping the Midianites God. Since you picked the verses you did I suppose you take issue more with killing the boys and all the women who had been with a man and keeping the virgins. God considered the boys and women who had been with men unclean. God wanted his chosen people to be kept pure. Read the rest of the chapter for example of the cleansing procedure they had to go through before returning to the camp.
The context for the reference from 2 Kings 6:27 – 29 is Samaria was being besieged and because of the siege the people were out of food (versus 24 – 26). The king with his questions to her was basically saying there is no wheat or wine and if God doesn’t help us we a done for. Then she tells him the horrific story of the deal she made with her neighbor and if you read on you will see how he mourned not only for her and her boy but for all the people.
Under the law (Old Testament covenant), the consequences for sin or payment for sin required a blood sacrifice. Either a designated animal or the sinner, as the case may be. Under the new covenant brought about by the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, his blood paid it all. It pays for the sin today, yesterday, and forever for the believer. For example, adultery was a sin punishable by death, but Jesus told the people if you look at a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery. The point is that the flesh is sinful by nature whether in thought or deed. No one is good. We all need forgiveness.
@Patty Patrick: Been telling you that you have FAILED.
No one is good. We all need forgiveness.
That sums up what is seriously wrong with religion.
Thank you Robert Brown. Anyone that reads your "explanation" will see that you're more mentally ill than most, have no problem with children being ki11ed because they're "unclean" while their sisters aren't so unclean as to marry them off to the men who ki11ed their families. It's ridiculous and barbaric. Get help.
Funny how those scriptures rarely get trotted out in Sunday School!
the only people who need salvation are slaves
You are focusing on the history of consequences for sin (the bad news) instead of the cure (the good news). The good news is Jesus. If you are absolutely convinced there is no God then you are without hope. If you think God is possible then you have some faith. The faith you have can be increased to a saving faith by hearing the word of God preached in the power of his Holy Spirit.
Sam,
Very true, slaves to sin. For example, lust, greed, and pride, for if you are consumed with the desire for something are you not a slave to it?
Nothing out of context there just a terrible work of fiction rife with contradictions. Just what you would expect from some bronze age writers and NOT what you would expect from the "word of god".
Ting,
A lot of religious practices are man-made but take all that away and see what you think. Read the greatest sermon ever preached, Matthew chapters 5 – 7, and see the difference between religion and truth.
I'm living in the Dark Ages. And man it's scary. What a sick planet this is. This guys brain is like that of a 10 year kid. How does someone even comment on this story? I don't know how I wound up on this planet but I need to get back to my own planet before I get hanged for tying my shoes the wrong way. You people are kooky kabuki. Isn't there a place where I can sign up for that one way trip to Mars?
10 year old kid that is.....excuse my grammatical error....please don't hang me!
My 7 year old and 5 year old have it together better than this supposed preacher.
Don't leave us here! We have to keep up the good fight against this insanity!
There was a time in my life that I was this angry and fearful of those I saw as different.
Thankfully, I grew tired of always being so angry, and of attempting to reconcile the fear I felt to the Love that I wanted to feel.
Since I left Christianity, I have found deeper joys than I knew existed. I found Love more profound inside of me than I ever felt before.
Ironically, it shows that some of what is attributed to Jesus actually works. Love your neighbor, love your enemies, be kind even to those who despise you...it's kind of amazing really, how freeing that is...and how it can change someone else as well.
All the World religions seem to have valuable spiritual truths.
"Hatred stirs up conflict,
but love covers over all wrongs."
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Are you all just naive???? REALLY???? You alternative lifestyle gay community of rainbows and unicorns live in a fairy tail world. You claim you are born gay and that no one should hate you or you being gay. Have you ever once thought that is a VERY bad point to make for it is just as easy said "Oh I was born to hate gays and why do people not accept me for that is just the way I was born". COME ON PEOPLE. If you say it is a choice to say what this preacher said then it is a choice you made to be gay. You cannot have it both ways. Plus... do you think if the same thing was said in reverse "Lets put all those haters behind an electric fence" it would result in your make believe world of rainbows and unicorns of peace and love all no matter what you are? No it wouldn't. You and everyone on this earth including myself are born sinners and if you think you can take the hate out of this world, by what ever ways, then you are just as wrong as saying that you can take gays out of this world. The best we can do is to attempt to be like Jesus and we know we will fall short but to still try.
********YAWN**********
FUCK OFF BIBLE THUMPING ZOMBIE
NEXT!
I have seen some of the most bigoted comments in this thread.
Nonsense wrapped in delusions. Full of more false equivalencies than a logic textbook.
Yes, you actually can have it both ways. Opinions and sexuality are completely different phenomena. No one is born with opinions, doofus.
You are comparing apples and automobiles here.
Yes, this man had a choice to spout his views on hom.ose.xuality. No one is saying he didn't. No one is saying he doesn't have the right to speak it.
Likewise, we have a choice to speak out in opposition, to voice our views. These are both guaranteed by the freedom of speech granted to each US citizen in the US const.itution.
Being gay, or bi or straight, however, are not choices that can be governed by the law. They are innately a part of who we are...I am bise.xual because I am innately attracted to both men and women. It isn't a choice. I see a beautiful woman and I feel attraction. I see a gorgeous man, and I am attracted. It is not something which I control.
Now, can I control what I do with those attractions? Yes, of course. The onus is upon me to behave honorably with regard to my attraction...however, that behavior is between me and the individual I am attracted to, and should be of no concern to anyone else, unless they are also attracted to either myself or the other party.
@WOW
Jesus H. Fucking Christ, you are stupid. Does it hurt much to be this moronic?
Claiming that "being gay" is a choice, is totally insane. If you can (and I realize that might be a stretch), think for a minute about that. In a country like the US, what possible benefit does it have to make that "choice"? In weighing whether to be heterosexual or homosexual, what could possible tip the scales? Is it being disowned by their families? Is it the condemnation from the christians? Is it the work place discrimination? Is it the bullying in school? Is it the violence?
Only those that are gay could possibly have a reason to "choose" their sexuality, or at least how they portray themselves. Please let me me know if you do, but I'm not aware of any stories of heterosexuals that are "in the closet", and are afraid to let their families and the world now that they are really straight.
But you could say that with anything. You may be born left handed but you make the choice to write with your left hand. You may be born deaf but it is your choice to use sign language. If it is that easy why can't left handed people just choose to write with their right hand, or deaf people just choose to hear, etc?
@Linca: You are a moron.
Same can be said for anyone who voices there opinion and people consider it to be hate speech. That person decided to speak out just as a gay person reacts to there feelins and pronounces they are gay. You can twist is anyway you want but the FACT still stands. BOTH are feelins. You too Linca have FAILED.
@JW: I understand what you are trying to say but with hearing that is a physical defect not a feeling. As for right handed and left handed well you develope that through your actions and once you have became a custom to being right or left handed it makes it difficult to change but it can be done for a left hander to do things with the right hand and/or both. Sorry you FAILED>
@WOW
*feelings
You said, "Same can be said for anyone who voices there opinion and people consider it to be hate speech."
Advocating to place a disliked group in concentration camps is hate speech. It is a page straight from the nazis playbook.
You said, "That person decided to speak out just as a gay person reacts to there feelins and pronounces they are gay. You can twist is anyway you want but the FACT still stands. BOTH are feelins."
The feelings that gays have for people are the same as those that straights have. There is no difference other than the preferred sex. Both are natural, and both are not a choice.
Even if the stupidity that drives people to believe the nonsense that this pastor professes isn't a choice, it isn't on the same level as being gay. Being gay doesn't do any harm. There is therefor no reason to take any action against it. The same can't be said for hate speech.
So WOW, if you really wanted to could you be gay? And don't just say well I would never want to do that. If God said you will go to hell if you are not gay, could you make yourself be gay?
What a nu-tbag! As though straight people won't just give birth to more gays. Does he think that the gays are the ones breeding themselves?
If I had my way, I would put a fence around NC- the people that live there appear to be a bunch of bigots. Try to round up gays, preacher man...I see it and you are not going to survive it. I took a vow once to protect the const itution from jerks like you.
please do not judge all North Carolinians by these people. We are not all bigots...it just seems that way with them making complete asses out of them selves on a regular basis.
Jen – I realize tht not all North Carolinians are ignorant hômophobes – but over 60% of you voted in support of hate and bigotry..
It's always the dumb southern draw people.....we need to put them in a fence and breed them out...lol....
It's "drawl" and you're not being any less prejudiced than he is.
One thing you should agree that those people can not reproduce. But in one way they are helping the world by reducing human
population. lol.
Why not you try for a,CHANGE.
You know what's awesome, Mariska? You share 99.8% of your genes with every one of those groups. As a matter of fact, your ancestry can easily be traced back to Africa, where your direct ancestor was black. Black is the original or "normal" skin color for humans – lighter skin colors evolved in the last few tens of thousands of years as populations adapted to higher latitudes. Embrace your blackness, Mariska.
hey, I'm limited edition , don't hate
She also shares about 50% genetic material with a mollusc. It doesn't make her a slug.
i hate everything ....... except Nordic people.
You're right, it's her opinions that make her a slug.
look at you all obsessed with me n stuff!
So, you hate blt sandwiches, Frank Zappa, Adidas clothing, stopsigns, chicken drumsticks, trees, the planet Neptune, the galaxy Andromeda etc. etc.
I hate a lot of things, but hating EVERYTHING must be a chore.
Anyone who hates Frank Zappa had too many ancestors interbreeding.
Yep you proved it! You are a Joke.
Nordic people also contain neanderthal DNA.
You also share genes with corn smût.
Context. This fellow is not even a mainstream Baptist. And the weirdest religion is this "you can't judge anyone actions and if you do the government should lock you up". Really. That religion is quirky and horrifically oppressive, and has fed and clothed no one. Its followers are relatively aggressive. That finicky religion is only thirty or forty years old and serves only those who are seeking political power. The claim that it makes-that you will have more power because you will appear "enlightened" is completely false. Those who follow the god of what is currently politically correct agree to ignore or change history and the concept of what is moral on a moments notice. They are completely at the mercy of the latest government handout- which will change constantly since the only value that god has is that it wants more power. Any time that a new group of voters can be identified, the god will change, and the PC crowd will have to follow without question. Christians have been around for a few thousand years and have literally saved millions of lives -compared the relatively few nutjobs that have done harm in its name. No group of people has done as much good for the planet – and yet the blind followers of this new "no religion except what is currently politically correct" religion are ready to hang any Christian on the closest tree. Look at these comments. Who is really going to put who inside an electrified fence?
Delusional tripe. Faux christians have spent decades ( if not centuries ) marginalizing and oppressing gay people. Now that they have begun to fight back, you wrap yourself in the mantle of victim-hood. Pathetic.
Really? What about the millions of people Christians have killed over the past millineum? I don't think we should hold people to the standards and crimes of their ancestors 100+ years ago, but ignoring that more people have been killed in the name of Christianity than any other cause in history is ridiculous.
WOW you haven't FUCKED OFF YET????
No one cares for the BIBLE SHEEP
One of the things I find most amusing about Christians is that they are OK with being 2nd class citizens in their own religion. They believe that they follow the rules of the New Covenant, yet God still plays favorites and prefers his precious Jews who do not. If my father played favorites with my siblings over me, I'd kick his a** and move out of his house.
don't forget to pack your pop-up books
At last pop-up books don't lack the ability to capiltalize and punctuate. Things most people master by the 2nd grade.
woooooooooowooooooooooowooooooooo word police incoming!
they only show up when there is no valid retort, gj =)!
Mariska, it's clear by your childish retort that you have been cited by the "word police" many times. Or should I refer to them as your 2nd grade teacher?
Now-now-James. Be nice. 2nd grade was the best 3 years of her life.
I used to think, just like this man. My father died from a heart attack because of hate. Everything just made him mad as hell. He hated Gays, Black's, Mexican's. I have three kids who just seems to love everybody. I've learned alot from my kids. And it's much better to love and live long. Out with the old and in with the new. My neighbor is Gay, and we have become friends. Hate kills the body. Love makes the body beautiful. The hell with this guy. May everyone have a safe and happy memorial day weekend. Life is to short for BS! Party hard and party safe. ICEMAN007
Perfectly stated. Thank you!
Hate gets me out of bed in the morning and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Wow, very moved. I was never a prejudiced person but I was certainly an angry teen. Mad at the world, disliked people for silly reasons. I've learned to live my life free of judgement of others and I believe in positivy, as shmaltzy as it sounds. I agree, the world is more fun, relaxing and enjoyable to live in if you live positively.
Thanks, ICEMAN007, that's the best post I've seen all day. Happy Memorial Day to you – peace.
Cheers!
Nice response.
FAIL! It's the 21st century, these crazies are slowly dieing out. They're trying to hold on to anything by all costs.. yet the future generations will become more and more liberal. A great falsity is that people get more conservative as they grow order.. that's not so. It only seems that way, because the majority of the conservative base are much older and lived in a time of ignorance and open racism. Today the world has changes and the variables are now changes .. the youth will soon out number the loons preaching this crap.. and let me just warn you all now.. The Younger generation may not be so forgiving.
Your assessment just validated what Jesus said would happen. You probably don't know what I am talking about because you speak without reading the Word.
@John – No, we've read the word, and without prejudice as you do. The final chapter of revelation says FIVE times, I will come soon, twice it's interpreted in older volumes as "I will come in this generation!", the most accurate translation. It's a joke.
Patrick...You just validated another. Think about it! He knew what you were going to say before you even spoke and that you would doubt His coming. You fight against the Truth.
I think letting the hateful fool use his first amendment rights to run his ugly mouth is enough punishment. He couldn't make himself look any worse if he tried. How surprised will he be that his hate headed him in the opposite direction from heaven when his time comes.
Amen.
This pastor is the worst adult speaker I ever heard speak, regardless of the topic.
Are we still going on this topic? Why do we listen to a God who laid out detailed rules about not sleeping with close relatives and then left a close family to repopulate the entire human race? God knew that incest created mentally inferior and disabled offspring, and he intentionally forced all of mankind to be the progeny of such incestual relations. Mankind being so stupid and lacking in reason and common sense is clearly God's fault, because he had to throw himself a colossal hissy fit and murder everyone on the damn planet. And this is the God people want to force us to worship?
woooooooooowooooooooooowooooooooo word police incoming
they only show up when there is no valid retort, gj =)!
Gays are 1 percent of the population.......it's a sickness
disgusting meter
– blacks
-Koreans
-Muslims
-jews
-gays
in that order
If it's a sickness, then it's God's creation since it's been proven to be around since the early parts of the Old Testament. Who are you to judge God's intent?
how do you know there is a god?
Asians are 5% of the population. Is being Asian an illness? Also, the number is probably between 8% and 10%.
I approve of you putting your name at the very top of that list, Mariska.
mariska adler
disgusting meter
– blacks
-Koreans
-Muslims
-jews
-gays
in that order
Wrong again, the latest figures show closer to 10%. Just like Christian, quote no research. By the way my stat is from Gallop.
James PDX ~ im sorry, i meant to put your name up there but you were too insufficient to remember.
Nicely done, James PDX.
Mariska, I think you meant to say "insignificant", not "insufficient". I was still able to get your meaning, assuming that you were intending to convey that you are a bigot with poor English skills.
closet haters.
lol
Don't forget there are a lot of "straight people" that live a double life, like my former Pastor did and who always had to say something about gays in his sermons. . . .
James PDX – lmao...good one : )
Amateur troll effort. Do better or just stop.
mariska adler
disgusting meter
– blacks
-Koreans
-Muslims
-jews
-gays
in that order
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Note that Mariska's name is at the very top of her "disgusting meter". I think we can all agree with her on this point at least. The rest of the list is thrown out, but she's right on the money with the 1st entry...her/him-self!!!
The World Health Organization, the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Counseling Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics all say ho mose xuality is a normal unchangeable variant of human $e xua lity. Get over it.
But Patrick, those are just experts. This is 'merica and we hate experts. We believe "common sense" outweighs generations of careful research and accumulated knowledge. We also believe this has nothing to do with our shameful education scores!
They're about the same percentage of the population as the left-handed, and good Christians use to beat their kids out of that too. Actually, the Bible has more negative verses (25 of them) about being left-handed than it does about being gay. About half of our presidents have been left-handed, and it was once considered medically abnormal, like h0m0$exuality. Should we start rounding up those people too?
"About half of our presidents have been left-handed, and it was once considered medically abnormal, like h0m0$exuality. Should we start rounding up those people too?"
And at least 3 of our presidents were adulterers too! LMAO!
Attention Bible thumpers, remember this verse... "Do unto other as you would have done unto you". It's often called the Golden Rule and it applies to all... especially Christians!
Castrate the religious!
They have the right to their opinions (no matter how ridiculous).
And how does that statement differ from what he said? When you seek revenge, you must dig two graves.
Christians have already admitted that their ancestors were incestuous. And we all know what happens to the offspring of family who interbreed.
It sounds like the voice of Sierra club/Planned Parenthood.
OH BOY!! Wednesday night, church night!! wonder if the chit will hit the fan tonight or Sunday. Just think, this preacher thing from a town of 3100 peoples just p issed off most of the US. Now that's what I call spreading the word, or is that terd.
Well said...
It's the modern equivalent of snake oil. Preachers of his ilk keep their coffers full by stirring the tasty pot du jour. His goal is to rile the weaker minds of his flock into an impassioned frenzy then secure their loyalty by convincing them that their "church" is protecting them from this self-constructed evil. Ultimately, he wins by securing cash flow for his own future while giving them the sense that he's their protector and champion.
I think you give him too much credit of thought. I think that he will not try to take advantage of this attention, but i also think this is just a scared old man that wants the kids to stop skateboarding on the sidewalk.
And all credit to him. Extracting money from stupid people is a finer art than it's given credit for, and many preachers have the art nailed down.
Bingo!
adjustment to earlier statement... I think he will try to take advantage of this attention.
I think all he's going to do from now on is take measures not to have his sermons videotaped anymore. His next sermon will likely be about the evils of YouTube.