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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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"Cut open an apple. Count the seeds. Now cut open one of the seeds. How many future apples do you think it contains? The only way to know is to plant it, care for it, and patiently wait for them to arrive. Jesus rocked the religious people of His day with the words, "For the entire Law is fulfilled i...n keeping this one command, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" Jesus counterbalanced the whole Mosaic Law, containing over 600 ordinances of do's and don'ts, with one simple command to love. Can you imagine the incredible, limitless potential in this one command? If everyone treated all people, good and bad, the way they would like to be treated, imagine how many laws would be irrelevant in our country. No need to tell people "don't" if they are already doing what is right. If instead of dropping to the lowest common denominator in our behavior, we each personally raise the bar to where Jesus set it, imagine how many trees of life would be planted, watered by streams of living water, providing shade and Heavenly fruit for the whole world to enjoy. Of course, this is only possible with the Spirit of God who spoke the world into existence, and who can resurrect the sin-dead heart of a man, and breathe life into his soul."
Sounds nice. Of course the Golden Rule significantly pre-dates Christianity. Would be nice if more Christians lived by it though.
LET's Religiousity Law #3 – If you habitually spout off verses from your "holy" book to make whatever inane point you're trying to make, and not once does it occur to you to question whether your book is accurate in the first place, then you are definitely mentally retarded.
Not necessarily retarded, just sufficiently brainwashed to inhibit critical thinking.
@twin: How about learning how to SPELL!!
Christian parents of gay children should be stricken will guilt for leading their children astray.
Since being gay is a choice and children learn by emulating their parents, it stands to reason that the parents of gay children must have latent hom/ose/xual tendencies themselves that they demonstrated to their kids.
Only by exhibiting gay mannerisms for the kids to learn from could a child think its ok to choose to be gay.
Then again, maybe all the scientific research is correct and being gay ISN'T a choice.
Nahhhhh. All those scientists with their meticulously doc/umented, peer reviewed, testable, repeatable experiments with reproducible results know nothing compared to ancient shephards.
"What's up, Doc?"
Well yeah, that's only common sense. And if the parents had hômosèxuality tendencies that passed to the kids, the parents must have diddled their kids of the same sèx . So the parents are actually hômosèxual incestuous pedophiles. Oh – and Jesus Freaks!
[Snark mode off]
Repeat: Are you all just naive???? REALLY???? You alternative lifestyle gay community of rainbows and unicorns live in a fairy tail world. You claim you are born gay and that no one should hate you or you being gay. Have you ever once thought that is a VERY bad point to make for it is just as easy said "Oh I was born to hate gays and why do people not accept me for that is just the way I was born". COME ON PEOPLE. If you say it is a choice to say what this preacher said then it is a choice you made to be gay. You cannot have it both ways. Plus... do you think if the same thing was said in reverse "Lets put all those haters behind an electric fence" it would result in your make believe world of rainbows and unicorns of peace and love all no matter what you are? No it wouldn't. You and everyone on this earth including myself are born sinners and if you think you can take the hate out of this world, by what ever ways, then you are just as wrong as saying that you can take gays out of this world. The best we can do is to attempt to be like Jesus and we know we will fall short but to still try.
You already posted this, troll. It was ignorant and ugly the first time, too.
You are free to hate anyone you want. However, you are not free to deny equal rights to millions of our citizens. The KKK has the same right to hate as you do and the same right to spout their cr@p. But they cannot do anything to deny the right to marry anyone of whatever race they wish.
Also, your argument is ridiculous since no one is suggesting that all the haters be rounded up. We support their right to exist even as they try to deny that right to others. Go believe whatever weird stuff you want to, just stop trying to make everyone else live by your bizarre rules and we'll leave you alone to your little supersti.tions.
Also, people are born ignorant, it is up to parents to teach love. Obviously this pastor's parents failed miserably. Hate is a choice.
I couldn't help but notice that neither WOW, nor any other ignorant fundiots who claim gays choose to be gay have bothered to post the science showing gays choose to be gay. Yet the still claim this is a fact.
I wonder what is so hard about this?
That's just not their worldview, Primewonk. Facts to them are what they say they are, not something to evaluate their ideas in relation to.
I wonder if this Worley guy is related to Joanne Worley from "Laugh In"?
"Is that another chicken joke"?!
I'm not quite old enough to remember "Laugh In", except for Goldie Hawn of course.
She was over-the-top... in a hilarious way. This guy is over-the-top pathetic.
" I'm not quite old enough to remember "Laugh In" "
Good lord (sorry), we're working with children here! I have underwear older than you – and I'm wearing them!!
I could see Goldie, and her daughter Kate, making a Primewonk sammich!
OK, the rest of you now talk amongst yourselves, I need a little alone time.
Quick someone tell the pastor it is not gay couples having gay children its STRAIGHT couples having gay children.. thats the root cause!!!!
Soon, this pastors dirty laundry may air... he may come out of the closet like Ted Haggard....
Would we be allowed to marry behind this fence? What types of food would be dropped? A little fenced in section with no haters. This might work!
We could do some lovely landscaping – perhaps a hedge and waterfall for a two-level effect. Oh, there's going to be some infighting over the window dressings, for sure.
Maybe he can fence the whole world in a stay outside in his little corner. He should take a page from Wonko the Sane.
It does sound a bit like an eternal vacation.. You don't even have to worry about food. The way the job market is, I might just claim to be gay for the free room and board and nutrition.
No doubt. If people like Worley's church members were on one side of the fence and the gay community on the other, I would choose the gays any day.
Hell – I'll jump the fence and join the gay folks too. I've been married a long time, so I'm use to no sèx.
Question – will they mock me for wearing socks with my sandels?
Being 'Born-Again' Linked to More Brain Atrophy: Study http://www.philly.com/philly/health/132456883.html
We must not let these religious zealots drag us backward into the dark dusty caves of the Iron Age Middle East. Dare to ask the hard questions of religion and demand unequivocal answers.
Mandarax, has anyone ever pointed out that you're a good writer?
Thanks, I occasionally have my moments. That's very kind of you.
Of course this idea is a fail since our culture came from those of various religious backgrounds. No zealots held us back. Also the question has to be asked...hold us back from what? To say we are being held back implies some goal. A goal I @ssure you is as much based on hope and faith as any eschatological notion.
Mandrax, Christianity was the foundation for many of the best education and medical centers of the world. Only in the last 50 years has the world gone down the drain since the rise of secular humanism.
Your culture may have come from there, but "ours" is largely derived from a mix of European influences which in turn trace their pedigrees to the Greeks and Romans. The Abrahamic religions spread by the sword during the Middle Ages (the "dark" ages) and the colonial era, and by psychological coercion (evangelism) since force became outlawed by a more civil society. Which brings us to the goal which I hope is true for all of us – a more civil, knowledgeable, and peaceful society.
Zealotry pulls us "backwards" by pulling toward a less civil and less knowledgeable past, and if I have faith it lies in the idea that civility and knowledge will lead to greater peace.
Yeah the world is far worse off with extended life spans, sanitary living conditions, plenty of food, broad access to education, protection of minorities and women's rights, etc. etc. etc.
Feel free to live like your ancestors any time you wish. An awful lot of people keep trying to think like them.
@mandarax- "Your culture may have come from there, but "ours" is largely derived from a mix of European influences which in turn trace their pedigrees to the Greeks and Romans."
Lol..you mean the ones with Zeus, Vulcan..etc. I think you better stop before you fall farther behind with your argument. "Our" society came from those that had religion within them but we are still here. Trying to say that religion will take us backwards is a flawed argument.
All of us have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory. But God treats us much better than we deserve, and because of Christ Jesus, he freely accepts us and sets us free from our sins.
"I ain't lookin' for help from on-high. That's a long wait for a train don't come." – Malcolm Reynolds, “Serenity"
you forgot to start your post with "Once upon a time..."
that's how all fairy tales start don't you know.
I haven't sinned.
That's cause honey badger doesn't care, honey badger doesn't give a shit.
Mandarax, I am so jealous! How did you get shlt past the censor bot?
This pastor couldn't be more wrong in saying what he said. Him saying we should put gays in a electric fenced in area is cruel he is basically another Hitler, and if he really believed in the bible he would of read that one sin is no different from another, and you should not judge your neighbor. Everyone sins every day no matter how religious you are and the bible also says if you ask for forgiveness that all sins will be forgiven, meaning no matter what sin you commit it will be forgiven, it doesn’t matter if it is as small as cursing or being gay. Another issue I have with all this is that even if someone is gay what affect does that have on your own personal life, it has nothing to do with you, just because you don't believe in it or don't accept it doesn’t mean you can treat gay people wrongly (that's a sin also) they're not animals they are human beings..
Amen, Samantha.
"This pastor couldn't be more wrong"
a little judgemental idn't it sam?
Nothing wrong with judging those who would condemn millions to a concentration camp. How do YOU feel about it?
He sounds like the men who beat their wives and say, "I only do it because I love you."
Barrel roll!
Too true – spot on!
The Pastor is DEF spot on! GO NC! I wish people would stop demonizing Christians for their beliefs!! I wish the LGBT community would stop trying to convince everyone that their beliefs trump all others! It reminds of the quote: Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" They all know they are sinners! Stop trying to convince everyone your sin is not a SIN!!!
Looks like someone needs to barrel roll you, Faith. I think this one goes to Tom Tom, go ahead, Tom, do a barrel roll!
Uh, if you can't "demonize" somebody for saying they want to throw an entire group of people in a giant cage, I'm curious what you can demonize someone for.
Faith, you're going to hell!
yeahalright, that was one hell of a barrel roll! Nice work!
"I'm curious what you can demonize someone for."
Umm... I think the point is to not demonize, or dehumanize, anyone.
Hey Faith, does genocide through religion ring a bell! The Nazi's tried it and failed miserably.
Andrew, I think 6 million Jews would be more like a D –
I know, right!! Those g a y s trying to make it illegal for he te ros to get married!! Who do they think that they are?!?! If those ho mos can get married, then we straight folks can too!! Fairness and freedom all around: "Let He te ros Have the Same Rights as You Ho mos!! Let Us Straights Get Married Just Exactly Like You Ho mos Can!! Equality!! Fairness!!"
Oh.. .. .. .. wait.. .. ..
Lol, he wants to lock people up and others are being unfair to criticize him for it.
Straight people need to stop having gay babies HHAHAHAHAHA!
and I wish christians would stop disguising their bigotry as "love".
@Me II – "Umm... I think the point is to not demonize, or dehumanize, anyone."
This pastor dehumanized himself with his hate speah.
@FAITH Aren't you trying to say your beliefs trump all others?
@Shawn, of course he is. That is a fundamental aspect of faith – anyone who disagrees with you is wrong because God said so. They have a "personal relationship" with Jesus, so they have a direct line to the Ultimate Truth.
Anytime a Christian (or Muslim for that matter) does something another person from their religion disagrees with..then they are not a ‘real’ Christian (or Muslim) never mind they both believe and worship the same deity. It is only the posters interpretation and opinion of the ‘right way’ to be a Christian (or Muslim) that matters. Just as if you asked the WBC about these “Jesus is love” posters.. THEY are not real Christians. It’s yet another form of cherry picking.
Tom, guess what? ...........BARREL ROLL! Good job!
So Hillbilly-Red Neck- Nazi's using Religion as a weapon no surprise!
Nice barrel roll, Andrew!
What else would religion be for?
Don’t condemn others, and God won’t condemn you. God will be as hard on you as you are on others! He will treat you exactly as you treat them.
Great barrel roll, Robert!
Is that why so many good, caring and charitable people die horrible deaths every day?
He makes the sun rise on both good and bad people. And he sends rain for the ones who do right and for the ones who do wrong. If you love only those people who love you, will God reward you for that?
It's a revenge/reward fantasy. It's nice to believe people get what they deserve when unfairness runs rampant on earth. Nice to believe =/= reality. The only place justice is going to happen for humans is on earth. By real people. Not an invisible god.
This is the problem with the Bible. Volume 1 was chock full of blood, fire, vengeance, cleansing. Then volume 2 came out and guess what? You couldn't just act like the first volume no longer existed. So there had to be a way to reconcile the angry god of volume 1 with the groovy loving god of volume 2. That however was not achieved. The result is people like the good reverend here. He's a volume 1 Christian. The volume 2 Christians disagree with him. Though I completely disagree with Mr. Worley and can't imagine the anger he must have that dwells within him, he has every right to state his opinion, in public or private, and i would fight for him to be able to continue to do so because it is one of the cornerstones of our nation.
Wow, you just did a barrel roll! Yay!
Thank you, Peppy...I think
Yeah, that was a positive response from peppy. I happen to agree with your statements as well.
@Wow this is WOW and you have just shown you have no clue about the Bible. I have been watching your comments for awhile now and this proves you have no clue about the Bible for a true Christian knows that Jesus delivered us. You FAILED.
Whatever else, I prefer Wow's flavor of Christianity over all the bible thum.ping condemnation types. WOW seems to be just another judgmental type. At least some Christians actually care about people.
Funny, I just found ANOTHER word on the forbidden list. Apparently the filter thinks I'm referring to bible hum.pers. 🙂
MarkinFL,
Yep, "hu.mp" ("th.umper) is on the list.
The Taliban of Chirstians.
Dear Pastor "Not So Bright"/"Red Neck" Worley,
(ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS)
o "Abrahamics" like you believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.
1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”
(Note: some words hyphenated to defeat the moderators "secret" word/fragment filter.)
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Reality, what a fantastic barrel roll! Good job!
That's Gay!
Do a barrel roll!
What do you get out of typing the same outdated meme in reply to every post on here? Hard? Wet?
yeahalright, I think you misinterpret his use of it. He seems to only do it when he agrees with what you have said.
People such as Rev. Charles Worley who preach or teach hate against gays, lesbians, Presidents or any other person or even spread the words of hate from other opinionated people, should go before a court and lose their right to vote or participate in any public affairs for 5 years along with receiving some rehabilitation learning concerning how to tolerate and respect other people and their views and lifestyles.
Nope, look at St. Petersburg, Russia. Restriction of unpopular speech is dangerous and can go against ANYONE. Better to respond in kind to the haters than to shut them down. I think the 1st amendment is far too valuable to waste on shutting down a bit of vociferous filth.
Mark, what a well-executed barrel roll! Nice job!
Uggugg: once you get that law passed, we'll ask them to arrest you and try you for failing to "tolerate and respect other people and their views..."