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May 22nd, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viralBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or a 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality The video had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church was busy on Monday night and on Tuesday, as was Worley’s home number on Tuesday. The church’s website was down Tuesday morning, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists. My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday. Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon. "I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories “Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays - I didn't wanna say 'queers' - that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved." Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors. “I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD. “Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.” soundoff (5,806 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 Next » |
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I'm "agin" this religious reich wingnut. Maybe we need to take idiots like this and put THEM in the fence. Then they wouldn't have to worry about having to be "agin" anything. What a simple simon this guy is.
Wow...just saw the video. Totally sickening..... as christians we believe that God loves every person on this planet = and yes I do not agree with the gay lifestyle – but I love every person around me......some people who are gay probably do not want or desire a christian lifestyle either. God is love......so sad that anyone would have to see someone like this pastor – not only did he drag the faith community down – but also he is representing his God in a disgusting manner
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
To wit:
From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.
Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.
As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.
Oh horse-pucky !! I know many hetero marriages, where the wifey wears the pants in the family, and the hubby is submissive. You are so wanting to label people, but you can't label everyone, because you don't KNOW everyone. There may be gay couples where one is more submissive than the other. There are straight couples who do the same.
Separate by equal is inherently unequal - Brown vs. Board of Ed.
i support gay marriage and i understand that it is very controversial but even if you dont believe in it, shouldnt mean that you take away other peoples rights to be who they are. what this pastor wants to do is horrible and i would even go as far as to compare it to the holocaust.
Thanks Ally, for the post. Agreed !
I agree.. Gay marriage is a WIN WIN.
If you like gays you give them what they want
If you don't like gays they will suffer when someone take half their stuff in divorce and they realize how good they had it.
you cant lose.
@ Wag – humorous post. But, my partner and I need our benefits, we've worked all of our lives for. If I died, the government would treat my luv, as "just a rommate". He would have to pay inheritance taxes, he wouldn't get any of my benefits... there literally hundreds and hundreds of rights we are deprived of. We've been together for 14 years, we've held down good careers, and we deserve equality. It's not to be voted on, it's a right.
oh right...like he is actually going to go round up all the gays and bring them to some fenced in field! LoL if you believe that...you're cracked. sorry...but as mean as that would be it is nothing like the holocaust where people were tortured and used as guinea pigs and burned to death and made to dig their own graves and stripped and shot. far cry.
@edwardo I agree it should be a right. When are they going to stop messing around state by state and have the supreme court rule on this.. that will settle this.. you have a right to the pursuit of happiness if nothing else. Lobby the prez to get a ruling from the supreme court. State by state is small potatoes.
@lj – Allie was reminded of the holocaust, as has most bloggers on this article. Rounding people up, and putting them behind fences is how HItler got his start. If this pastor had his way, gays would indeed suffer the same horrors, as the victims of the holocaust. It may be a joke to you, but for gay people, it's very much a valid concern.
Just wandering why an almighty GOD still has the need to use middle men like this one to spread The message ? Wouldn't it be better for the Almighty speak directly to each one of us ? Why wouldn't a loving parent speak directly to the children directly but instead saying 'I love you' thru a deviant stranger ? Such is the mystery 🙂
Good point. First off, if there is a god, and he's speaking thru this psycho... then that god is not fit for worship. Personally, I don't believe there are gods. IF there is, and this is his spokes-person, I think I'll pass on the ticket to heaven.
People claim that God speaks to them all the time.. too many people.. A few end up on TV preaching that God needs money, a few more end up in an armed compound in waco tx.
Friends, here's the perfect response to Pastor Worley from Facebook: Give a donation, however modest, to your favorite LGBT-friendly organization, but be sure to give it in Pastor Worley's name. Include the name and address of his church (findable in a search) so that the thank-you card goes to him. This has two beneficial effects: 1) It follows Jesus' precept that we are to bless, not curse, our enemies; 2) It brings more resources to groups that advocate justice for our LGBT sisters and brothers. Pretty cool, huh?
That is a cool idea.. I'm likin' it !!
People might start wonder about him too.
Excellent idea.
Isn't it a crime (conspiracy).. to assemble, and put together a plan that involves kidnapping and torture of someone? If I got together with some friends, and we planned to bomb a building, and the conversations were recorded.. couldn't I be charged with a crime? Just curious...
In this case it might be a tiny stretch. It was more of a rant to his congregation on what he would like to do. Now, if anyone goes out and does this on a smaller scale based on his words, then he is liable and can be charged.
Simple answer – you bet. Since his "solution" isn't really something that would / could happen, probably less chance of such a charge. But those that say kill or beat up or such ... that's a whole other story.
Thanks for the replies. Good responses. Just seems like there's something criminal about trying to rally people up to do something so vicious.
@Edwardo
The words he said didn't try to rally (even though that is obviously his intent) so nothing can be done immediately.
Wow, two enormous enclosures made of 150mile long fences! That's going to cost. Then, the helicopter food drops and the labor costs in capturing all the gays at large....wow, what a great "Put America Back To Work" project. It should cost trillions of dollars and take years to complete and with new inmates being added daily, the project will always be ongoing. Oh, what a gravy train it will be for contractors, engineers and all manner of workers. The costs are lofty but if the preacher starts passing the plate now, we might can get the project underway as early as – NEVER.
Better and far more affordable idea: Turn the preacher upside down in a bucket of concrete. Let set. All done. What a blockhead.
;), possum. You rule.
I am sure he would consider it a way to add jobs and money to the area. Another alternative ... pull their tax exempt status for getting into politics and talking about Presidential candidates. The IRS has already been asked to look into that. If politicians only had the nerve (they don't) to do that to the major denominations we could pay off the national debt.
i hope when this cowardly preacher boy finally works up the courage to try to grab a gay person to segregate them he is met by much semi-automatic weapon fire. send him to see jesus.
God made man and women to procreate. I do belive that marrige is for men and women only. God can change me not another human being. I will live my life the best I can. I will love feel or help any one I want to regarless of race creed or color. I am a human just like you. If you do not like me what will you do kill me, will you hate me, will you abuse me where is
your love. If you do these things to me will you be sinning to?????
So anyone who doesn't want kids is a blasphemer? A sinner? Shouldn't be allowed to marry?
Get bent, you moron. You are so clueless it must hurt, or would if you possessed any brain cells.
Thankfully for our country, a religious belief cannot be the basis of a law.
And really, you retard-marrige???
What I wonder, todd, is this: what will YOU do to gays, lesbians, and transgendered people?
Dont kid yourself that you love and respect others...you just said that you agree with this guy. Its fine to steel from those who are not like you....same belives were used for slavery and gassing the Jews....will pray that you learn to love and respect all
It's not okay for a pastor to say what he believes, but it is okay for all of you to condemn him and his church and christians? Really...Really???
CNN even went so far as to try to track down a former member who has been in prison for DUIs and driving without a license fleeing police, because he stated he was ashamed of Brother Charles. Funny when he was on his death bed, and Bro. Charles went to his bedside and prayed with him, he wasn't singing that tune. You really had to do some searching to find a member who wouldn't say they stood behind him. Shame on the media. His words were taken out of context, he was making a point to the congregation that it isn't natural. It is a private assembly. No one is forced to listen to his message. Please stop persecuting. You are doing no better than what you are saying about him.
@Jennifer
How dare you pull the context card! Was Hitlers rants against the jews taken out of context?! This man preached to a congregation to take the LGBT community and imprison them! You may think that's fine, but those of us with an actual sense of morality will continue to rail against this hateful person.
Stupid bia bia
Bama, are you sure 'bout the quality of that there moonshine?
Jennifer – Anyone who sympathize with someone who is so obviously hateful, is no better than the culprit. Yes, it's a private assembly, but this private assembly is wanting to commit a very hateful, hostile, criminal act against law abiding, tax paying citizens. Yes, it would be criminal to kidnap gay people and hold them in a fenced in prison. Any normal person would see this as the same type of behavior the despised A. Hitler used to practice.
well jen i hope your children are safe from some hetro rapist I hope somone does not make you have an abortion I hope you do not get a divorce I hope some man who is married does not look at you and lust after you I hope you do not vote for any politician who decides to have an affair.
@tom no shinny ,funny cigarettes
So now Jennifer is going to not answer, typical bullsh.it. Just goes to show that she can't even decide to be a decent debator, let alone a decent human being.
You defend preaching hate and illegality? In a church??? We need some new sub-definitions of Christian. You and I both call ourselves such. But I am definitely not your definition of it. Thankfully.
@HawaiiGuest – yep... looks like Jennifer is as much a coward, as the preacher she admires. Bring it Jennifer! You put your post out there, now where's your replies to support it?
Hey, Jen? You are stupid.
No, not private assembly unless they are not tax-exempt – which, they now should not be, seeing the preacher crossed the line into political speech and inciting hate. People can say what they please in a church but when public dollars are involved, there's a certain responsibility that comes with that. The preacher overstepped not just by a slip of the tongue or by a poor choice of a few words but rather by his premeditated tirade. He knew very well what he was saying and how it would play. Shame on him. He discredited any good he's ever done in two minutes of ignorant rage.
Isn't it a crime (conspiracy).. to assemble, and put together a plan that involves kidnapping and torture of someone? If I got together with some friends, and we planned to bomb a building, and the conversations were recorded.. couldn't I be charged with a crime? Just curious...
There is absolutely NOTHING Christian about this guy.
@Robairdo, Tell that to Jesus who preferred the company of men to women, never married, told people to forsake their families and never said one word about hom.ose.xuality.
@GodFreeNow: I think you misinterpreted my message. I was saying there is NOTHING Christian about this guy (The Pastor). I agree with you on Jesus and would that he would call this Pastor a hypocrite, tell him he has no right to Judge and that instead he should be loving his neighbor.
@Robairdo, You're right... I did. My apologies.
All hetros that prouduce a gay child should be aborted all hetros that are not married should be castrated any one who commits adultry should be stoned. (Thou shall not kill )Im gay I dont have have children so I cant shoot them or beat them to death or put them in a washing machine. God judges sin not man. If your gay then should you marry a women then commit adultry with another man. Is he who cast the first stone without sin. I do not belive in gay marriage. but people have the right to care for who they want. You hetros clean up your own backyard first stop raping and killing little girls. get marrined and stay with on women. stop going to jail for child support. Stop beating your wives. What example are you setting for me.
Such hatred. Such intollerance. Such a sad reliance on others for your moral compass. You have a right to believe in the religion you wish. When you want to impose it on others, and control civil rights based on that belief, you cross a very, very big line in this country. Calling for the death of those that disagree with you is an even bigger line. Stop. Think. Don't just rant.
My Lady... Well said!
North Carolina, huh. Figures. The New ALABAMA of the 21st Century with chew tabaccer snakes as preachers. They're so far back in the fog of time of American garbage we thought we had tossed, we oughter tar and feather this S O B and toss him into the Atlantic.
As you rightfully criticize his prejudices and stereotypes, please be mindful of your own.
Lest CNN should spurn you for speaking what they want to say.
A concentration camp for gay people. Sounds oddly familiar. I wonder if these people even care they're on par with the Nazis now.
I agree with the pastor
Gee. We're all SO impressed at your courage in admitting that you hate gays and wish they'd die.
Tom Tom the piper's son.....was your mother a man? NO
Anyone with an IQ equal to that of a tadpole, like yourself, would agree with the pastor.
No, honey, my mother wasn't a man. Did you think that you were expressing an intelligent thought there, sweet cheeks?
Why don't you try again?
There are actually a LOT of folks who agree with the pastor.....and you can name call all you want, but I still agree. And btw...my IQ is very likely higher than yours
Tom Tom the Piper's son's mother was not a man.. but I doubt if his parent's were first cousins... like your parents were.
I doubt it. If it were, you wouldn't be agreeing with an imbecile.
So this is all you got? I thought so.
Why strain at a gnat?
This is all we got for you Johnny. You deserve nothing more. Please stay in your trailer, and away from society.
Johnny, noone is buying it that you're really straight so you should most definitely be the first one through the fence.
Oh, Johnny, you have to agree with him because you're the male prostltute he goes on secret vacations with.
Really, no one agrees with the pastor? Nobody? In ten years we will all be gay and Muslim OR CNN will go out of business
Oh Johnny... I sure hope you have not spawned any apple seeds of your own. Chances are that they would grow up to not like you at all. Until you can show some respect for American's that believe in freedom for all. Put your pointed hood , and white sheet back on, and keep it on so we know your kind is comming. The rest of us will get the fire ready.
@Johnny Yuma61, If you believe we will all be gay in 10 years, that must mean you believe it's a choice. However, that you think you can choose to be gay makes me believe that you can. For those of us who know who we are attracted to in not a choice, that's a clear indication of your se.xual tendencies. I'm not sure if you meant to out yourself, but congrats.
WOW WOW WOW! What a great example of true Christianity! And what does this say about his congregation who follows and supports him??
Goes to show that people will believe anything spoken behind a pulpit. Of course, when your life is based on a book that's pro slavery, pro murder, pro violence.. well.. you can see the end result.
Perhaps more to the point, when your life is based on a book that you never question and never seek answers outside of...
a religion based off love,..? it was only based of love for the last 40 years it was based off fear and hate prior to that,.. even so that pastors redirect was based off love of his people not hatred of others,... nothing has changed.... that being said i have been fond out the answer katie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdn3O6aaMNc
the cretin (greek for Christians) f&ck#d it up
Gee we do not reporoduce now. So what is the big deal My folks were St8 and not gay. So I don't think that is going to work to well. I wounder what think things about the jews in 1940's. Some of them had the same thing going on.
It's so funny! Str8 people think gay people are sterile, and can't reproduce. Truth be known.. most gay guys I've met, have children. They got them via adoption, or were previously with a woman. But they reproduced, and they weren't sterile. And, they love their kids, BIG TIME! The ones I know, take good care of their kids.
It comes to being completely unaware of the difference between sex and gender.
Why are we not all rolling on the floor laughing ? ROTFL haha Regardless of where you stand on the issue ( pic one ) , I mean this guy must be smarter than I give him credit for. But for some reason I don't think so. I mean historically when you are so strongly Again something meant , well you get the idea. And I always enjoyed hearing the word against used in that manner, sorta old school and experience , oh there it is again. I'm totally agin it !!
It's almost laughable, but the hate exuded from that building... is just down right depressing!
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
Every now and then I am reminded of just how absolutely badass Thomas Jefferson really was. This is the primary author of our constitution. Not directly on topic (although the first quote is), but I couldn't help but share.
Mandarax... You are the badd-ass! Right on.
Actually James Madison (who was Jefferson's protege) had a lot more to do with the Const.tution than Jefferson. In the 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights, Madison (helping George Mason) wrote the last article:
XVI That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore, all men are equally ent.tled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.
How terrific would it be if the message of this paragraph was how people who profess to be Christians really conduct their lives, instead of spouting pious plat.tudes like "love the person, hate the sin" and not acting anything like they mean it.