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After decade in storage, Washington letter on religious freedom will go public
George Washington's letter will go on display after being out of public view for almost a decade.
May 23rd, 2012
02:18 PM ET

After decade in storage, Washington letter on religious freedom will go public

By Alex Zuckerman, CNN

Washington (CNN) – After sitting in storage for nearly a decade, George Washington’s signature statement on religious liberty will go on display this summer in the city where freedom of religion was enshrined in the Constitution: Philadelphia.

America’s first president wrote the letter to a Jewish congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, in 1790, assuring American Jews that their freedom of religion would be protected. The document will go on display this summer for the first time since 2002 in an exhibition at Philadelphia’s National Museum of American Jewish History.

For nine years, the letter has been kept out of public view, in storage at a sterile Maryland office park a few hundred feet from FedEx Field, where the Washington Redskins play. CNN took an inside look at the document in September.

But the Morris Morgenstern Foundation, which owns the letter, has agreed to put the historic document on public display, officials at the National Museum of American Jewish History said.

“Our institution as well as others have been trying to have access to (this) for a long time,” said museum director and CEO Ivy Barsky. “We feel fortunate that the Morgenstern Foundation thought us worthy.”

The loan agreement between the museum and the foundation is unusual. The museum will have the letter for three years but will be allowed to show it for just three months per year. The letter will be kept in a dark storage area for preservation for the other nine months.

An excerpt of the letter showing George Washington's signature.

The document will be accompanied by an exhibit called “To Bigotry No Sanction: George Washington and Religious Freedom,” which will run June 29 to September 30. Barsky said the exhibit came together only after the museum was certain it could showcase Washington’s letter.

Before going into storage in 2002, the letter was on display at the Klutznick Museum at B’nai B’rith International Headquarters in Washington. It was on display there for 45 years before the organization downsized, closing its museum. The letter went into storage.

After that,  many people did not realize where the letter had gone, according to Jane Eisner, editor of  Forward, a Jewish newspaper. Eisner dedicated a series of editorials over the last year to lobbying for public display of the letter. She also sent a reporter, Paul Berger, to research the history of the letter.

“This is one of those rare moments as a journalist where you can see the fruits of your labor,” Eisner said. “All we had was all Washington had, which was words. We just have our words and arguments that we try to put out in the public sphere as best we could.”

Morris Morgenstern, center, showed a number of notable people his prized letter, including then-Sen. John F. Kennedy.

The letter is considered to be Washington’s key public statement on religious freedom. Eisner and Barsky say that the document signaled a welcoming of all people to America in pursuit of freedom.

“May the father of all mercies scatter light, and not darkness, upon our paths,” the letter reads, “and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in His own due time and way everlastingly happy.”

The letter addressed the congregation’s fears that Jews could face discrimination in the new nation. “The letter starts off to the Hebrew congregation of Newport, Rhode Island,” said Mordechai Eskovitz, rabbi of the Touro Synagogue in Newport. “It was meant for the congregation. It is addressed to the congregation.”

The Touro Synagogue, in Newport, Rhode Island, where Washington sent his letter.

The Library of Congress had asked to display the letter during a 2004 exhibit on the 350th anniversary of Jewish life in America. When the loan was not completed, many historians speculated that no one would be able to meet the standards of the Morgenstern Foundation for exhibiting the letter.

“Usually people would die just to be invited to display their property,” said Jonathan Sarna, professor at Brandeis University and a pre-eminent scholar on Jewish-American history. “If the Library of Congress wanted something of mine, they would have it the next day with insured mail.”

Berger, the Forward reporter, says the letter’s placement at another Jewish museum could mean the Morgenstern family would like to see the letter stay in a Jewish facility. “Nobody knows why the family chose the museum in Philadelphia over the Library of Congress,” he said.

The Morgenstern Foundation did not respond to requests for comment.

It is unclear where the document will go after its three-year loan at the Museum of American Jewish History.

- CNN’s Dan Merica contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: History • Judaism

soundoff (869 Responses)
  1. roundeyes

    if you are goyem, the joke is on you.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:31 am |
  2. roundeyes

    forget all of that.
    HOW DID JEWS GET POSSESTION AND CONTROL OF SUCH A LETTER?
    why isn't franklins warning about this asian hoard of lice being displayed as well?

    May 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • mandarax

      uh, because Washington mailed it to them? Is this a joke?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      An 'asian hoard of ice"??????????

      Say it aint' so!!!

      May 25, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Langkard

      Uh, did you read the article? Washington sent the letter to a Jewish congregation. Idiot.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • mandarax

      And jewish congregations generally consist of ... wait for it ... Jews. I honestly don't understand what you are not getting. I do find it funny that you are unable to understand and yet you are calling others idiots.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:57 am |
    • mandarax

      My bad, Langkard. I thought your comment was addressed to me. On reading it again I think you were responding to roundeyes. Carry on!

      May 25, 2012 at 12:59 am |
  3. Edwardo

    Just a few biblical contradictions: (it only takes one, to debunk it's perfection)
    1. God is satisfied with his works
    Gen 1:31
    God is dissatisfied with his works.
    Gen 6:6
    2. God dwells in chosen temples
    2 Chron 7:12,16
    God dwells not in temples
    Acts 7:48
    3. God dwells in light
    Tim 6:16
    God dwells in darkness
    1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
    4. God is seen and heard
    Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
    Ex 24:9-11
    God is invisible and cannot be heard
    John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
    5. God is tired and rests
    Ex 31:17
    God is never tired and never rests
    Is 40:28

    May 25, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Fritz Hohenheim

      🙂

      May 25, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Langkard

      Those are just some of the contradictions in the old testament. They get even more ridiculous in the new testament. The authors of the gospels couldn't even agree on who fathered Joseph (Mary's husband, the guy who wasn't Jesus' father, even though they spent a great deal of time detailing Joseph's lineage to prove that Jesus was of the line of David. But wait... if he wasn't Joseph's son, then he wasn't descended from David! Ah, forget it. Makes my brain hurt).

      May 25, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Edwardo

      @LangKard – I hear ya.. The Bible is imperfect. It only takes one imperfection to destroy the supposed perfection of this alleged Word of God. Many have been found. A perfect God who reveals his perfect will in an imperfect book is impossible.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • allandnothing

      Life is full of ironies, and then there's death. It starts being wrong when it no longer works for us. A question can result in an answer, just as an answer can result in a question. Our own human perspective is based on a relative outlook on life contradictions. The fact that some find a use where others see none is itself contradicting. We can find ourselves learning where others would not. It's all relative to when and how you choose to look at it. Whatever helps you.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • n8362

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

      May 25, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Langkard

      I definitely prefer the quiz show to the specious tautological mess which preceded it. It made me feel all icky inside, like I'd been mugged by a guy in a saffron robe, wearing a cheap quartz crystal pendant, with acupuncture needles in his nose, a faint odor of patchouli incense and pot, and with a book on Feng Shui arrangements in one hand and a boom box playing some nauseating crap by Windham Hill in the other.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • allandnothing

      So you prefer your spunk with animations. Good for you.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:01 am |
  4. Marley

    To claim that some-thing exists... requires that you have atleast 1 logical thought about this thing you claim to exist.

    In other words: WTH is this thing "God"?!

    If you cannot answer this question, then this thing "God" that you claim to exist ... does not exist.

    How can it, when you don't even have a logical thought about it?!

    May 25, 2012 at 12:05 am |
  5. DT

    Saved by Grace I am not a god hater. You cannot hate what does not exist

    May 24, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
  6. Cilla

    CNN can never carry an unbiased article on the true faith of the founding fathers. They invariably get it wrong 9 out of 10 times.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Chuck Jasper, Ga.

      What true faith would that be? One you choose? You just do not get it do you? There was a reason our forefathers included the provision of separation of church and state. Religion has no place in governing people equally. If really doesn't matter what you think it should be.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • Langkard

      What "true faith" did the Founding Fathers all have? They were as disparate in their beliefs as an group of people you find randomly today. Washington was probably a deist and never used the word "god" in anything he ever wrote, preferring instead to mostly say "Providence" (a Deist concept – not a Christian one) and even going so far as to call Providence a "she" at times. Jefferson was at best an agnostic and possible a full-blown atheist. Just read his letters discussing religion with his fellow Founding Father, John Adams. Thomas Paine was definitely a deist not a Christian and openly ridiculed Chrsitianity in his work, "Age of Reason" and elsewhere.

      So, please, what exactly do you mean by their true faith? Which true faith, among those who even had it?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • mandarax

      But that's not what Glen Beck says...!

      Want to know something Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh have in common? None of them have a college education. And yet they each consider themselves expert historians, economists, and political scientists. Beck has the audacity to lead a "university" (named after himself of course) and yet he couldn't manage to graduate from one.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • Langkard

      Beck's a Mormon on top of that. They make the other Christian cults look like havens of intellect. Until 1978, the Mormon church officially believed that blacks couldn't enter heaven because they were "Sons of Perdition" and ineligible to be saved. Mormons still officially believe that native Americans are descendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel, in spite of modern genetic science which proves otherwise.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:36 am |
  7. Simple Simon

    Man fears what he does not understand ... or worships.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Freedom from religion

      Without fear religion wouldn't survive, deny it's fear – you could be the next terrorist.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
  8. Freedom from religion

    Man thinks a god created him because man isn't quite as bright as man thinks he is and therefor makes our simpleness seem overly complex.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  9. Freedom from religion

    I don't want my hard earned money going to these freak religions. But it does, and groups as catholic charities gets to promote 'catholic' because our tax dollars pay the lions share of their cost. That is wrong. And I'm sick and tired of paying higher real estate taxes because churches and their properties steal from us by not paying their fair share.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Awww... Poor baby... More money goes to foreign countries, many that hate us, than go to christian organizations that actually try to help people.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Freedom from religion

      Too bad.. Again, you freak religions – quite stealing my hard earned dollar. Pay your fair share.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Hehehe... We are already planning how we will spend the share that comes from you. Maybe we will start an orphanage, or better yet a drug abuse counseling center.... Buhahahahaha....
      Wow, really?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Freedom from religion

      you already profit from both.. In fact if it wasn't profitable, you'd close it. Just as you close churches, schools and hospitals that aren't as profitable.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
  10. jmccargar

    Speaking of typos... *the one IN your quote" and *"and BE reflective upon" in my prior comment

    May 24, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
  11. jmccargar

    You have a typo in your report that I think is important. You capitalized "in His own due time" when the photo of Washington's original in your own article clearly shows "in his own due time". An accurate transcription of the entire original letter does not predetermine that this "his" refers to God, rather than perhaps any of the children of Abraham (referenced shortly prior in the letter), or in fact any person benefitting from citizenship in our nation, without reference to any god, let alone a capital-H 'Him.' Regardless, the vitriol of so many commenters on this blog belies one clear theme of Washington's letter - clear from the paragraph preceding the one your quote: "For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support." Our public discourse now breeds bigotry, at a level that I personally believe would grieve our first president deeply. I sincerely hope that the opportunity to display, publicize, and reflective upon Washington's letter will inspire a more compassionate response than the one displayed so frequently in the surrounding comments.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
  12. Question

    If there was God who created the universe, and was in control of it according to how it is explained in the bible, an egg can be fertilized without being seeded, a person can be raised from the dead, and all the air breathing, land walking, KINDS of animals can fit on a single ship.

    However, if there was no God, having all the energy and matter for the big bang to occur come from nothing, and the assembly of the first DNA by random chance requires far greater faith than the previous scenario

    May 24, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      You are right, both believe in a creation event, and a large scale destruction event. Atheists believe thought that it happened over billions of years and we miraculously ev0lved from pond residue and space particles into intelligent beings with personalities and conscious. Heck it takes more faith to believe in that route!

      May 24, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Randy

      "If there was God who created the universe, and was in control of it according to how it is explained in the bible, an egg can be fertilized without being seeded, a person can be raised from the dead, and all the air breathing, land walking, KINDS of animals can fit on a single ship.

      However, if there was no God, having all the energy and matter for the big bang to occur come from nothing, and the assembly of the first DNA by random chance requires far greater faith than the previous scenario"

      1: If your God exists, and your God did the things you think he did, why don't we find evidence to support any of those claims?

      2: Is it your contention that your particular religious savior's virgin birth is real, but all the other religious savior virgin births throughout history are not? How lucky that yours is the true one!

      3: Your purported understanding of science is exactly what one comes to expect from a Biblical literalist, and that is sad. The educational system has failed you, as have your parents. It's never too late to learn, though. There are these places where knowledge is kept. No, it's not called a church. It's called a library. You can get all the knowledge you can stomach by going to the nice person behind the desk and saying the magic words: I want to learn.

      4: Is your God powerful enough to create a universe that creates itself and everything in it? Wouldn't that be far more impressive than the primitive creation story we find in the Bronze Age myths of the Hebrews?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      @Randy

      1. I see evidence everyday.
      2. How many religious savior virgin births do you know of?
      3. I love science, and am highly educated. I also have seen many Ivy League students commit suicide, because the liberal atheistic world point of view offers no hope.
      4. Creation is constantly growing and expanding. I don't see your point...

      May 24, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • n8362

      @Question, being able admit that humans do not have all the answers to all the questions of the universe requires no faith.

      Believing the crazy ass shit you accept as truth, that requires a blind faith.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Bazoing

      Actually there are various routs to parthenogenesis (reproduction without fertilization), but it is almost unknown in humans. The miracle is that the Christ is reported to have been prophesied to be the result of such an event. The rest of the things to which you object may have to be written off as miracles and that is that. The fact remains that a you witnessing you is impossible to attribute to a machine. It can say it experiences, but it can not truly experience. That a God exists is no more ridiculous than the idea that random physical chance made all of this out of nothing. Note that this refers to nothing-nothing, not even empty space.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Randy

      1. I see evidence everyday. (But, you don't bother to tell us of any.)
      2. How many religious savior virgin births do you know of? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_births)
      3. I love science, and am highly educated. I also have seen many Ivy League students commit suicide, because the liberal atheistic world point of view offers no hope. (Oh, THAT is why they committed suicide? They left a note listing that as their motivation? Do Christians commit suicide? If so, why, if they've got all that hope? In fact, religions with strong prohibitions against suicide have higher suicide rates than those without. And, I'd bet not having as strong a social network and community among atheists, usually because being publicly atheist results in social ostracism, has more to do with higher suicide rates among those not affiliated with religions.)
      4. Creation is constantly growing and expanding. I don't see your point... (How does a new species come into existence? Do they still do so? Are you of the opinion that light from distant stars was created in transit to Earth to create the impression that they had existed for millions of years? Is your God incapable of using things like chemistry, physics, and evolution to create the things we see around us? Have you ever used a microscope? What is the scientific method and how does it work?)

      Aside from you not being the object of my questions, I also can smell dishonesty, and you reek of it. In under 10 posts, I can force you to lie and you will see it as nothing more than a defense of your faith, the Bible, God, or what have you. I've drawn the dishonesty out of literalists like yourself with ease in the past, I see no reason for you to be any different.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Edwardo

      If it takes a god to make something from nothing, then it would take a god.. to make a god. I do not need a complete knowledge of the universe to prove to you that cubic spheres do not exist. Such objects have mutually-exclusive attributes which would render their existence impossible. For example, a cube, by definition, has 8 corners, while a sphere has none. These properties are completely incompatible: they cannot be held simultaneously by the same object. It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Atheist, you are clueless.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Randy

      Bazoing, do cosmologists say the universe came from nothing? Or, is that merely a line that creationists use because they think it creates an opponent that their feeble mythology can defeat? Have you ever considered learning about your religion and learning about the science that you think your Bible supersedes? Nah, of course not. You know everything you need to know. God did it with magic, and that's that.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "I love science and am highly educated."

      Ahhahhhhhahhahaa.

      When will you post anything that resembles evidence of this claim? As of yet, I don't see any postings from you that indicate anything of the sort. Your writing is certainly not indicative of a "highly educated" being by any stretch of the imagination.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Langkard

      @ AthiestforChrist

      quote: 2. How many religious savior virgin births do you know of?

      You want a list? How about we start with the annunciation by the Egyptian god Taht, divine conception by the god Kneph and then the virgin birth of King Amunothph III as described and carved in stone of the temple at Luxor 2000 years before your Christ?

      How about Mithra? Another pre-Christian virgin birth myth.

      Need more examples of virgin births via divine fathers that are older than Christianity? How about Greek and early Roman myth? Romulus, Perseus, Danae, Melanippe, Auge and Antiope are all virgin births.

      Then there are the births which have virgin mothers but something other than a god for a father. Alexander the Great: mother impregnated by a divine snake. Ovid claimed that Plato was born of a virgin. The list is extensive.

      Sorry, sport, your Jesus was just one more virgin birth myth among many already existing. And many of those were available to the people who made up the story of your god.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • TR6

      @Question: “However, if there was no God, having all the energy and matter for the big bang to occur come from nothing, and the assembly of the first DNA by random chance requires far greater faith than the previous scenario”

      Typical uneducated Christian, parroting erroneous statements about science he heard from other uneducated (or dishonest Christians)

      May 25, 2012 at 11:10 am |
  13. Freedom from religion

    We should not allow any tax dollar to any religion or religious managed organization. Tax the religions, they are a business.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Wow, really? Yeah, that will fix them! ROFL....

      May 24, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • ricinsac

      great idea – separation of church and state, plus why are donations to churches exempt ?? ..... except the religious bigots would fight it every step of the way. Yet even the truths in this letter become an excuse for the most vile to argue off topic.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
  14. AtheistforChrist

    Thank God this is a Christian nation! I am so proud of our founding fathers who stood out in faith and created this nation based on biblical principles. It is so cool that the majority of declaration signers were members of the Clergy. What a great start, to bad we are really getting off track now, but there is still hope.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Freedom from religion

      Many of us have evolved past the founding fathers. Thankfully medicine has evolved too, since then.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Yup, it sure has, sad that a lot of workers are now on Prozac, violence in school is skyrocketing, teen and college student suicides are way up. But I guess that is what happens when you remove hope and replace it with "evolution".

      May 24, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Randy

      Why don't you tell us what you think atheists are? Tell us what atheists think, what they do, and what they contribute to society? Is it possible to be a good and productive person without also believing in God? Why don't you tell us what difference it makes whether one believes in an invisible undetectable supernatural magical wizard who nobody can agree upon but a large contingent of America and an ever-decreasing proportion of the world insists must exist, created the universe, and must be worshiped despite the horrors and atrocities he's allegedly visited upon people throughout the ages according to the various holy books of the Abrahamic religions? Why should anybody accept the claim that a god of any kind exists, much less the one you believe in? Oh, and try not to list a string of logical fallacies. It makes the baby Jesus cry.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Nah, it's people like you who are cold and have no spirit that describe Atheism. You can only see the evil God that wants to pounce on humanity and beat them like dogs. Maybe you had a brutal childhood, and you dad mistreated you. I don't know. But if all you get from the Bible is that God is a fairy tale force of evil that wants to crush everyone, ya missed it.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Randy

      Silly me, expecting you to actually answer a question. So far, you've revealed that you think atheism is caused by abuse. Isn't that sweet. Why did you dodge the questions? I'd think, if you actually understood your religion and atheism as you seem to think you do, you'd be willing to share that knowledge with the rest of us. I guess you're just going to hide your wisdom under a bushel basket.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Langkard

      If you think the Founding Fathers were Christians, then you apparently slept through the part of history class in which Thomas Paine was discussed. Go find a copy of his "Age of Reason" in which he openly ridicules Christianity. Or how about Thomas Jefferson who thought Jeses was just a really smart philosopher and actually created the Jefferson Bible which has all the divine, miracle stuff removed and just the philosophy retained? Or maybe Washington himself, who never used the word god, instead using the term "Providence" and calling Providence a "she" on multiple occasions.

      And, of course, there is always the 1797 Treaty with Tripoli, which states unequivocally that the "United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" and was unanimously approved by the Senate (in 1797, just chock full of Founding Fathers) and signed by another Founding Father, president John Adams.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • TR6

      Was that supposed to be irony or sarcasum?

      Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, which was written in 1796 and the text APPROVED BY GEORGE WASHINGTON, AND SIGNED INTO LAW IN 1797 BY PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS states, "AS THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." How do you get the founding fathers meant us to be a Christian nation from that?.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:21 am |
  15. Secular Humanist

    I'm not a believer in organized religion but I'm also not an athiest. Still, this letter makes me very proud to be an American.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
  16. Peikovianyi

    Today's Christians are different than Christians of Jefferson's time. Any wonder the State of Texas ordered school books that diminished Jefferson's part in the American Revolution? Not the way Dixie wants to remember it.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Jefferson? I thought the article was about Washington?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Peikovianyi

      The point is the editorializing by the Texas School Board to remove history when it does not agree with modern religious requirements. Jefferson and Washington were both deists, and neither could win a primary in Dixie today.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Lol, no they were not deists. Have you actually read any works from any of the founding Fathers? They would put most pastors in the pulpit today to shame...

      May 24, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Randy

      AtheistforChrist, did Jefferson believe in Jesus as a man who had supernatural powers? Do YOU believe in Jesus as a man who had supernatural powers? Do you think belief in the miracles the Bible attributes to Jesus is fundamental to being a Christian?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Randy, like I said, I have read many of the writings of the founding Fathers, and they were more spiritual, more godly than many Christians today.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
    • Randy

      Avoiding the question again, I see.

      Why can't you just answer questions? I ask simple, straight-forward questions, and you dodge them. Are you incapable of answering, or are you afraid of answering?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
  17. Jonny Jenkins

    Athiests, liberals, and anti-Christians all-together always accuse Christianity of being hateful, but when I read these posts, all I see is those same liberals bashing, criticizing, and totally belittling any Christian who speaks what they believe. If you read between the lines, those liberals are way more hateful than any Christian I've ever met.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
    • n8362

      That last sentence would be more accurate as "If you read what you want to read."

      May 24, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • iubj

      When u OPPRESS people for hundreds of years they push back.....
      thanks for playing it is OUR TURN NOW, deal with it.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Jonny Jenkins

      iubj:
      You're really going to blame me for something that happened hundreds of years ago? And your post is kind of proving my point... you even acknowledge the fact that you're hateful

      May 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • Edwardo

      Using the word hateful is a bit dramatic... don't ya think? It's an adult forum. It's an argument, a debate, that gets heated. But hateful??? I don't think so.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Randy

      Really, Johnny? Want to see hate?

      http://allfacebook.com/fox-news-facebook-page-gets-8000-death-threats_b53976
      http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-13/news/30624868_1_threats-prayer-legal-battle
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O%27Hair

      That took about 10 seconds. Imagine if I really put some effort into it.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:03 am |
  18. factual

    Praise be to Jesus, OUR saviour! May you accect His gift.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Accect? I would, if only I'd ever heard of such a term.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • abcontador

      What gift?

      May 24, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Question

      For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23 NIV84)

      May 24, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yah, that wasn't even CLOSE to being an answer, you azz.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • TR6

      @factual: “Praise be to Jesus, OUR saviour! May you accect His gift.”

      Isn’t that what priests say to little boys just before they “anoint” them?

      May 25, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  19. Christians think Sharia Law is immoral but impose their own Sharia Law in America.

    No matter what version, it's immoral to impose your religion and deny others civil rights.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • Chad

      which specific law do you feel is being imposed upon you by "our religion"

      May 24, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Guess, Chard.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • n8362

      @Chad, what is the biggest civil rights issue of our day? That is just for starters.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • iubj

      the christian taliban is much worse than the afghan taliban.....

      May 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      ROFL Really? How many Christians have thrown acid on people lately? Burned them? Hung them? I think you need to read up a little more on Sharia law...

      May 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Chad

      Guess you missed my question.. I asked "which specific law do you feel is being imposed upon you by "our religion"

      May 24, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      @ Chad...

      Okay how about that nifty new law in NC? The one that restricts marriage? Is that specific enough for you?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • AtheistforChrist

      Comparing the ban on unnatural marriage to Sharia law really shows your education level.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Chad

      @Tul4hndn "Okay how about that nifty new law in NC? The one that restricts marriage? Is that specific enough for you?"

      =>so, you're saying that all atheists support gay marriage, and all Christians oppose it?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why are you afraid to venture a guess as to what laws are being questioned, Chardo?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Chad

      some interesting reading: "The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage"
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082190/posts

      May 24, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • Chad

      http://news.change.org/stories/atheists-against-gay-marriage

      May 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • n8362

      @Chad, only 20% of non-believers oppose same sex marriage, smaller than any other demographic.
      Without religion it would already be legal across the country.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Chard isn't much for reality or facts, obviously.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Could Chard BE any more dishonest? Really? How?

      No one said that all atheists are supporters of gay marriage, but Chard posts as if someone did, and then trumpets his "victory".

      What a doob. Is it any wonder the twit's a virgin who has to whack off to a portrait of Jeebus every night?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Chad

      n8362 "only 20% of non-believers oppose same sex marriage, smaller than any other demographic. Without religion it would already be legal across the country."

      =>I'm confused.. If 20% of atheists oppose a ban on same sex marriage, how can it be "religion" imposing it?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Wait for it....wait for it..

      Any eon now the light will go on in Chard's brain....

      May 24, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      @ AtheistforChrist

      Unnatural to whom? I believe that would be by people who deem this unnatural by the Bible's teachings. Is that what you mean? Thank you for proving my point.

      As for my eduational level? Don't presume you know anything about me, or my educational level. I am educated enough not to put all my eggs in the basket of a vengeful God.

      And that wasn't the question, Chad specifically asked what laws and I gave him one. Excellent attempt at a fallacy though.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Rachel

      @Chad-Fantastic posts as usual!! 🙂

      May 25, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, Chad, it's so tragic that you have to post under a female moniker! Is Rachel the name you use when you're cruising the bars in drag?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Tul4hndn

      @ Chad

      Good try. (Not really)

      Your kung fu is not strong.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      His dong ain't much to cheer about either.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • n8362

      @Chad you read my comment wrong.

      What you quoted:
      "20% of atheists oppose a ban on same sex marriage"

      What I actually wrote:
      "Only 20% of non-believers oppose same sex marriage, smaller than any other demographic."

      May 25, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good golly! Chad misreading something??? Not possible!!!

      Has Hell frozen over?????

      May 25, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • Randy

      "ROFL Really? How many Christians have thrown acid on people lately? Burned them? Hung them? I think you need to read up a little more on Sharia law..."

      So, I guess you missed the part about death threats against atheists that I posted. Here's one. You can google "threats against atheists" to find more. http://allfacebook.com/fox-news-facebook-page-gets-8000-death-threats_b53976

      May 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  20. Saved by Grace

    I am just wondering what a bunch of God hating atheists are doing reading and commenting on so many faith articles? If you are so against God and the Bible then why bother reading and posting your rude and ignorant comments?

    May 24, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why not? If it bothers you, then go the fuck elsewhere, you dirtbag.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      Perhaps it's because christians have no problem pushing their agendas on everyone else, nosing in on something that's none of your business? Kinda s u c k s to have that switcharoo happen to you, doesn't it?

      May 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Question

      In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals–these are the very things that destroy them. (Jude 1:8, 10 NIV84)

      May 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • n8362

      I am wondering what a bunch of freedom hating Christians are doing reading and commenting on so many civil rights articles.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • reaganrepub3

      It would be pointless to hate something you do not believe exists. You should think more before you post.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Too bad, "salvation" was not what Jesus taught. St. Paul invented that and grafted it onto the emerging cult. Mark was first. He never said a word about it. If you people knew anything about the real historical development of your cult, you would never buy it for a second.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • abcontador

      Because this is a war - Christians have declared war on anyone who is not their faith and there is serious serious backlash for that

      May 24, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      "saved" from what? Original sin was invented by Augustine. You were not "born evil". Jeebus also said nothing about that. Ever.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Question

      Salvation is not taught by jesus because He IS the salvation described from Genesis to revelation

      May 24, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • iubj

      I believe ignorant applies to bible thumpers...
      what other than ignorance thinks an EGG can be fertilized without being seeded, thinks the first zombie was 2000 years ago, thinks all teh animals on earth could fit in a small boat etc etc etc .....

      May 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Chad

      ""salvation" was not what Jesus taught. St. Paul invented that and grafted it onto the emerging cult. Mark was first. He never said a word about it. If you people knew anything about the real historical development of your cult, you would never buy it for a second"

      =>salvation by faith in Jesus Christ:
      "Who then can be saved? 27And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark

      "When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”" Mark 2

      "Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”" Mark 1

      May 24, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • Question

      If there was God who created the universe, and was in control of it according to how it is explained in the bible, an egg can be fertilized without being seeded, a person can be raised from the dead, and all the air breathing, land walking, KINDS of animals can fit on a single ship.

      However, if there was no God, having all the energy and matter for the big bang to occur come from nothing, and the assembly of the first DNA by random chance requires far greater faith than the previous scenario

      May 24, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • John

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son....You still following your yellow-haired father who was cast from heaven by Michael when he thought he was greater than my Father? Even your father knows his time is short. He deceives even his own children.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Yellow-haired father"? Sweetie, my father had hair that was black as night.

      I guess you believe in Satan. Sorry, too bad for you. It's your hell; you burn in it.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • John

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son...Does Satan call himself Piper today? Even you know his home. Hmmm! Hell was made for him and those who choose him and not my Father. The children must choose a father. Now sweetie....Whose your daddy? Your decision determines your destination. I hope you choose my Father and heaven for I do not wish hell on anyone...not even you. Your choice!

      May 24, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Aww, sweetie, figure out how to use 'whose' and 'who's' and we'll talk.

      You're too stupid to merit my valuable time.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • DT

      Please tax it is all I am saying. The Catholics have soooooo much $$ they would find enough loopholes to avoid paying what they should anyway. Tax em. Original sin my butt, brainwashing for bucks.... plain and simple its ALL about the $$$$$$$$$$

      May 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Randy

      I don't know. Why do so many God-fearing Christians deface private property just because they don't agree with the religious message?

      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/03/07/atheist-billboard-quoting-bible-verse-vandalized-in-pennsylvania/
      http://blog.seattlepi.com/hottopics/2010/02/17/atheist-billboard-vandalized-are-you-good-without-god-millions-are-also-lost/
      http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/charlotte-atheists-agnostics-atheist-billboard-defaced-ncs-billy-graham-parkway
      http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/06/defacing_the_pledge_of_allegiance_again.html
      http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2010/03/more-sacramento.html

      May 25, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Pete

      @Question.
      You have it backwards. To believe something simply because someone says it's true requires the ultimate leap in faith.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:20 am |
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