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May 23rd, 2012
12:57 PM ET

Mixed reactions around church whose pastor’s anti-gay rant went viral

By Ismael Estrada, CNN

Maiden, North Carolina (CNN) – Just about everyone here is talking about the local pastor who made national headlines this week after a video that features him telling congregants how to “get rid of” gays went viral.

Neighbors of the Providence Road Baptist Church – where a sign advertises “old time religion” - say Pastor Charles Worley is known for being over the top, with one neighbor describing him as “fire and brimstone” whose views are out of sync with much of the surrounding community.

"I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress,” Worley told his church on May 13, in a video that has been seen half a million times on YouTube.

“Build a great big, large fence  50 or 100 miles long  and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley said. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce."

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Some church members, who declined to give their names, defended their pastor, saying his words had been taken out of context. "He said he would feed them!" some church members told CNN, referring to the Worley’s idea for rounding up gays.

Worley “takes a real firm stand on the Bible and what it says about different things,” said church member Joe Heffner. “Whether I like it or not or whether anybody else likes it."

Another church member, who declined to give his name, said that “Being gay and lesbian or homosexual is wrong according to the Bible… it’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

"We love the people, hate the sin, OK? Point blank,” he continued. “You need to lay off my pastor."

The pastor's sermon also attacked President Obama, with Worley saying that "I ain’t going to vote for a baby killer and a homosexual lover."

On Wednesday, the group Americans United for Separation of Church and State filed a complaint with the IRS alleging that Worley violated the rules of his church's tax-exempt status by engaging in political speech against a candidate.

“Pastor Worley’s vicious and mean-spirited assault on gays and lesbians is bad enough,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “His pulpit command that people not vote for President Obama is a violation of federal tax law. I urge the IRS to act swiftly to investigate this matter.”

Video of the sermon had initially been posted on Providence Road’s website but was recently taken down, according to CNN affiliate WBTV-TV in Charlotte. The phone line at Worley’s church has been busy since Monday night, and Worley’s home number has been busy since Tuesday.

The church’s website has also been down, but it had described the house of worship as fundamentalist, meaning it represents a Baptist tradition that's more conservative than the Southern Baptists.

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Worley’s sermon was posted on YouTube by a group called Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate, which is organizing a protest at the Providence Road Baptist Church on Sunday.

Addressing his congregation last Sunday, Worley referred to his earlier controversial sermon.

"I talked a little bit, I believe it was last Sunday, on the homosexual lifestyle, and there was a whole lot of people who didn't like what I said," Worley told his congregation Sunday, according to WBTV. "I want to read it out of the Bible, and then we'll go from there."

“Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the ... what's that word? Gays  I didn't wanna say 'queers'  that say we don't love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I'm praying for you to be saved."

Worley’s initial sermon was partly framed as a response to Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, which he made in a TV interview a day after North Carolina voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning legal recognition of such marriages and other types of gay unions.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, was working Tuesday to gather criticism of Worley’s comments from other North Carolina pastors.

“I am angry and sick at heart over Pastor Worley's comments,” said the Rev. Dennis Teall-Fleming, pastor at Open Hearts Gathering in Gastonia, North Carolina, in a statement distributed by GLAAD.

“Nothing he says has anything to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Teall-Fleming, who leads a Disciples of Christ congregation. “I call on all Christian and Baptist organizations that have any connection with him to condemn his comments as strongly as I do, including Providence Road Baptist Church of Maiden.”

–CNN's Dan Gilgoff contributed reporting.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Homosexuality • North Carolina

soundoff (1,677 Responses)
  1. thinking

    That sounds exactly like Pastor Worley's plan except you've put the people you disagree with inside the fence.

    May 25, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • thinking

      Oops, referring to the below post.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:04 am |
  2. ಠ_ಠ

    This pastor is proof we need to remove crazy people from society using whatever force necessary.
    They are a clear and present danger to the United States of America and should be put into an asylum immediately.

    May 25, 2012 at 8:50 am |
  3. ElmerGantry

    Giving someone equal rights does not infringe or take away rights from you.
    It just makes it illegal to enforce your prejudice and hate.

    It really is just that simple!

    Remember this,
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! [Matthew 7:12]

    And this,
    That which you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me!; Jesus [Matthew25:40]

    And this,
    Judge not, that ye be not judged. [Matthew 7:1-2]

    Stop denying others equal rights and practice the Christian family value of treating others with dignity and respect for a change.

    May 25, 2012 at 6:31 am |
    • truth

      Nice cherry picking!! Now read the rest of the bible and bring it all together and maybe you will understand!

      May 25, 2012 at 6:34 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      @truth,

      Please enlighten me,

      Under what context is it OK to not treat others as you would have them treat you?

      Under what context is it OK to judge others?

      May 25, 2012 at 6:46 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer really changes things

      May 25, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Not you again. Did they just let you out?

      May 25, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Elmer,

      How about Leviticus 20:13? You’ve not supposed to love them you’re supposed to kiII them.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • thinking

      Sorry, poor argument: John 8:7

      But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

      May 25, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Primewonk

      Sorry "thinking", but no. Actual biblical scholars agree that the story in John is a fake. It doesn't appear in the original versions. It was edited in much later.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • thinking

      Ok, try Matthew 7:1-2:
      1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

      or Luke 6:36-37:
      36 “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
      or Romans 14:10
      10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

      Words the Pastor Worley should follow as well.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Typical,

      You ask for the context that you are told you're missing and what do you get?

      A four word meaningless statement. Yep, that's real logical, intelligent; ummmm, no, just empty!

      May 25, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Right on Honey Badger,

      That sure illustrates Christian love?!?!?!?

      May 25, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • pervert alert

      If I were a criminal, perversely committing unnatural acts, it would be a kindness for someone to care enough to point that out.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ thinking – again, your Jesus says (several times) that the OT rules and laws remain in effect until heaven and earth pass away. Earth is still here. Ergo, the rules of the OT remain in play. Now, how many gay folks have you personally killed, as your god commands?

      May 25, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Speaking of cherry picking: Leviticus contains a lot of other ridiculous rules that 99.99% of all Christians ignore. They just cherry pick the h.omos.exual one.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • thinking

      Primewonk:
      Romans 7:6
      6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

      Christ fulfilled the Law's requirement for blood and punishment.
      Matthew 5:17
      17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

      It is now God who condemns and judges.
      Luke 6:36-37:
      36 “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Primewonk

      I'm sorry "thinking" – I was pointing out what JESUS said. Not Paul. And YOUR GOD says that his rules remain in effect.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • thinking

      Matthew 5:17-18
      17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

      The Law is in effect "until all is accomplished" (i.e. when Jesus fulfilled the Law through the cross and His resurrection), therefore:
      It is now God who condemns and judges.
      Luke 6:36-37:
      36 “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      The Bible is all things to all people. Just interpret, stir, pour.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Primewonk

      No. " until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

      The earth is still here. All has NOT been accomplished.

      You, like every other theist, spins your bible so it means what you want it to mean. You, and these other cretins can't internally justify your psychotic schizophrenic god demanding you murder all these people, so you spin your bible to justify your cowardness.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • thinking

      Your comments show your intolerance for dissenting views. Please discuss the issue instead of confusing people you dislike with a view you disagree with.

      I believe Jesus is referring in Matthew 5:18 to all He accomplished when He died and rose again. Show me that I am wrong.

      I do not agree with Pastor Worsley as I said before, just to be clear.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " I believe Jesus is referring in Matthew 5:18 to all He accomplished when He died and rose again. Show me that I am wrong."

      And that is how you CHOOSE to spin your bible in order to internally justify not following your god's commands.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • thinking

      Primewonk: You have established you disagree with me, but you haven't offered an alternative.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:49 am |
    • Sean P

      No matter how many times you lie, it remains a lie.
      You might convince yourself that a lie is true, but that doesn't make it true.
      If you can't handle the truth, there is still no need for you to lie to other people.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:54 am |
    • truth

      Matthew 7 >>
      New International Version 1984

      7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

      9“Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:12 am |
    • Sean P

      I think willie has a great post that answers your post, truth.
      >willie
      >If this is true then there are no good Christians. This means no one has prayed for all war to stop, for all famine to stop, for >all killing of children to stop, for all things evil to stop. Unless it is the Christians that are praying for these things to happen.
      >May 25, 2012 at 1:08 am

      You cannot give scripture as an answer when we have proof that prayers do not work, especially when the scripture can be shown to be ridiculous, a la willie.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:16 am |
    • truth

      I beleive you are right

      Romans 3 >>
      New International Version 1984

      No One Is Righteous

      9What shall we conclude then? Are we any betterb? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:

      “There is no one righteous, not even one;

      11there is no one who understands,

      no one who seeks God.

      12All have turned away,

      they have together become worthless;

      there is no one who does good,

      not even one.”c

      13“Their throats are open graves;

      their tongues practice deceit.”d

      “The poison of vipers is on their lips.”e

      14“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”f

      15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;

      16ruin and misery mark their ways,

      17and the way of peace they do not know.”g

      18“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”h

      May 25, 2012 at 6:31 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Correct Sean P and willie,

      Exactly what are all these Christians praying for anyway?
      Why one would even think that tornado alley would not be centered on the buckle of the bible belt, wouldn't you?
      Oooo, Oooo, maybe they are praying to smite their non-believing neighbors.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:01 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      @truth,

      NICE CHERRY PICKING!

      May 25, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Prayer does indeed seem to change things – for the worse.
      The John Templeton Foundation funded a 10 year, $2.4 million dollar study involving 1,800 cardiac patients to measure the effectiveness of intecessory prayer.
      The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers.
      Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not.
      Over the longer term, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.
      A 1997 study at the University of New Mexico, involving 40 alcoholics in rehabilitation, found that the men and women who knew they were being prayed for actually fared worse.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:26 am |
  5. Nii

    I know a lot of gay xtians who won't give the pastor's word a thought. Contrary to Atheist propaganda a pastor is not superior to his congregation members. He is given the job of helping them better their spiritual life thats all. They choose to listen or not to listen to what he says.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • Judge D. Ye

      The cognitive dissonance it must have taken for you to write your post is head and shoulders above that of the pastor.
      You win the loser award, Nii.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:49 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      This comment should be entered into the dictionary as a prime example of the meaning of cognitive dissonance.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • Cq

      Nii
      One would assume that the people "Amening" this guy's sermon weren't disagreeing with what he said and, if he is in the habit of saying similar things, then the folks who call him pastor are listening to him and the ones who don't like what he's saying never return to that church, right? It's the same for all churches, isn't it? If you have other churches that you can attend then you wouldn't go to hear a pastor that you didn't agree with instead.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:18 am |
  6. Mr Garrison

    Gay people, well, gay people are EVIL, evil right down to their cold black hearts which pump not blood like yours or mine, but rather a thick, vomitous oil that oozes through their rotten veins and clots in their pea-sized brains which becomes the cause of their Nazi-esque patterns of violent behavior. Do you understand?
    From South Park, spoken by Mr Garrison

    May 25, 2012 at 5:44 am |
  7. John Murphy

    DIVORCE is WRONG!!!

    May 25, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oooh.

      Who cares that you think so?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • sam stone

      Then do not get one

      May 25, 2012 at 4:04 am |
    • WASP

      @john: not in america it isn't. lol we can be thankful for that women can't be forced to stay married to abusive chirstian jerks, just because some bronze age male dominated book tells them to. proof america is secular, not christian nation

      May 25, 2012 at 6:40 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I meant..Who Q.U.E.E.R.S you think so?

      May 25, 2012 at 6:59 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Exactly right WASP.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:21 am |
  8. rusty66

    I am still waiting for the "responsible" Christian, Jewish, Muslim (etc.) communities to condemn this "pastor's" hate speech. Aside from People For The American Way, all I hear is echoing silence.

    Where is the outrage?

    May 24, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • Cq

      Sadly, you won't hear from the moderates. They appear to be too afraid of what pastors like this guy will call them if they dared to speak up. They leave their fighting to we atheists.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:22 am |
  9. "Atheism is not healthy," "just sayin," and "pervert alert" are all the same poster

    --formerly known as herbie
    --also hides behind numerous other names on here
    --stinks up the place with his dull-witted and uncreative trolling
    --is a moron who truly does not understand that he is a moron
    --do not give this moron the attention he craves. it's bad for him and bad for us.
    Have a Great Day!

    May 24, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Thank you very much! I thought as much.

      Just an attention craving troll.

      Please do not feed this troll. It has a voracious appetïte for evoking comments from people and will state anything to do so.
      So make this troll history by never, ever replying directly to it.

      It will try taunting you by addressing you directly with your screen name, but hold steady and never respond to it directly.

      If every one, and I do mean everyone, ignores this troll it might go away.
      Be vigilant and diligent, it will work only if it is completely starved.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:20 am |
    • just sayin

      Nice theory... prove it. God bless
      PS:Elmers agreement does not count as proof. It does show Elmer will believe anything. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 5:34 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Exhibit A, the attention craving troll just did exactly what I stated. Addressed me directly by screen name to provoke.

      A troll is as a troll does

      May 25, 2012 at 5:46 am |
    • just sayin

      Still no proof Elmer, you are revealing yourself as a hypocrite. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 5:48 am |
    • just sayin

      Still no proof Elmer, you are revealing yourself as a hypocrite! God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 5:49 am |
    • Mirosal

      just sayin .. I mean just spewin .. you're the one who believes there's an invisible "being" hovering over us, watching our every move, knows our every thought, and then will judge us after we die, sentenced to eternal pleasure, or pain. Your "god" is no more real than ANY of the thousands worshipped by man, and eventually dismissed by history, science, and man's slow process of always evolving, growing, and learning.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:53 am |
    • just sayin

      @mirosal
      Except that God has not been dismissed, other than by the extreme minority and has endured since creation and will be existent long after your final judgement. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 8:14 am |
  10. Ford Prefect

    Sorry to stereotype, but did anybody notice the kid in the truck looks kinda like the kid that plays banjo in Deliverance? I'm serious!

    May 24, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  11. Voice of Reason

    You can marry your first cousin in any state that allows it–and the following lists make America the biggest religious bigot and hypocrite in the world:

    Alaska

    California

    Colorado

    Connecticut

    District of Columbia

    Florida

    Georgia

    Hawaii

    Maryland

    Massachusetts

    New Jersey

    New Mexico

    New York

    North Carolina* ( You can marry your first cousin; you just can't marry your double cousin, born of siblings who marry siblings)

    Rhode Island

    South Carolina

    Tennessee

    Vermont

    Virginia

    States that don't allow cousin marriages, but will look the other way if you do it in a state that does:

    Arkansas

    Delaware

    Idaho

    Iowa

    Kansas

    Kentucky

    Louisiana

    Michigan

    Minnesota

    Mississippi

    Missouri

    Montana

    Nebraska

    Nevada

    New Hampshire

    North Dakota

    Ohio

    Oklahoma

    Oregon

    Pennsylvania

    South Dakota

    Texas

    Washington

    West Virginia

    Wyoming

    States that allow cousin marriage only if you're past childbearing age (seriously??):

    Arizona

    Illinois

    Indiana

    Maine

    Utah

    Wisconsin

    May 24, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      I apologize for the cut and paste, just trying to make a point.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      If I may add to your post?

      North Carolina–you can marry your first cousin, just not your g a y first cousin.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • Sean P

      Those laws were written like that so that those "tightly-knit" religious communities could keep everything "in the family" as much as possible.

      Keeping things within a family, club, or other organization allows crime to flourish even as it is kept hidden from the law.

      People who do not abuse children should be allowed to raise them.

      People who abuse children should never be allowed to have children or be around them.

      We need to change the amount of physical and mental access given to children from adults as a firm step against all forms of child abuse.

      Children currently suffer from having next to non-existent human rights in this world. This needs to change.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:05 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Nicely stated Sean!

      May 25, 2012 at 7:19 am |
  12. askjkl

    Ok.
    What he said was wrong. Its the way he said it. I am not a bible expert, so dont quote me on this, but this is my understanding of this whole thing:
    I think hes trying to say that god put us here, and that a man and a woman have to be together to have kids. Hence "adam and eve", its a man and a woman, and by saying that in the bible, the pastor is trying to say that it is gods will for a man and a woman to reproduce. not for the same genders to get together and not. I have no problem with him explaining this in different terms but, that was just wrong the way he explained it. Plain wrong. I am indifferent on this whole issue, but if you have any extra info, just reply.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Extra info? I have some info and it ain't "extra". Reproduction is not a requirement for any legal marriage. Never has been. Nobody is forced to sign a marriage license that states the intent to procreate.

      And idiots who think gays can't have children are beyond retarded.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Adam and Eve are myths. Humans have been here for ~200,000 years. We evolved from earlier hominids. There was no woman made from the rib of a man. This would have been a genetic clone of Adam. Eve would have been a dude. All humans did not originate from 1 breeding pair. Mammal species, like humans, require a substantial number of breeding pairs in order to ensure enough genetic diversity to survive past a few generations.

      This while Adam and Eve story is simply one more thing, in a long list of things, that your god got completely wrong..

      May 25, 2012 at 8:12 am |
  13. Voice of Reason

    I know some fundamentalists that their church has a list of books, movies and television shows that should not read or watch. I found this out in a casual conversation with them about a tv show I had watched the night before and they said they cannot watch that type of programming.
    So, these people are not making any effort to educate themselves or learn new information. But they want me to read and understand the bible but they won't read about evolution.
    These people are not going to change.

    May 24, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • mandarax

      I think it can backfire, though, when their children get out in the real world. I teach at a state university in the bible belt and I have witnessed young adults coming to terms with the fact that their religious community has lied to them. I had one girl become very conflicted and agitated when we were comparing male and female skeletons and she realized that males don't have one less rib than females (she had been taught this at her church). Another young lady had an outright emotional breakdown in class as they were handling hominin skulls, and walked out of lab. She talked to me later in my office and said she had suddenly realized that all these people who had been claiming that there were no fossils were lying to her, and she suspected that it was the tip of the iceberg. So, I think ultimately you can't keep people in the dark forever – at least that's what I hope.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Hey people! Did you read what mandarax just wrote? Please read it!

      Let's keep the hope.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Cq

      The internet helps a lot. Christian kids can sneak research on any topic they suspect they've been lied about. Now, if we can just use social media like they did in the Arab countries to organize their rebellion we might see some actual freedom rising in the Bible Belt. Call it a Fundamentalist Spring!!! 🙂

      May 24, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • mandarax

      Thanks, Voice! I'd like to think there's always hope.

      Cq, I think you are right to a large extent, but one problem is that there is also so much misinformation on the web that with selective browsing they can easily focus on things that just prop up what they have been told to believe all along (I'm especially thinking of evolution here). I guess your larger point is correct and encouraging – you can't really hide information from people with internet access.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • DDanny1

      They still have great-grandpa's dinosaur saddle out in the barn.

      May 25, 2012 at 3:43 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Terrific post by Voice and replies by mandarax and Cq.

      Thank you!

      May 25, 2012 at 5:33 am |
    • Cq

      mandarax
      As a former Christian I would assume that, generally speaking, they are savvy enough to recognize how to access the actual work of scientists like Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking, if they choose to, that is. As I write this I listening to Dawkin's Greatest Show on Earth on my iPnone, and I'm reminded of the interview he has in it with a creationist lady. They are truly coached into denying evidence and reasonable argument by the propaganda of conservative Christian leaders very effectively, and I believe that there has to actually be a seed of doubt in most before they will honestly examine the evidence of actual science. Otherwise, they will only seek out material from sources they trust, written by deniers, and which will certainly not be the truth. It's sad, but there truly is no reasoning with people who are in love with the thing you want to criticize, and they sure do love their version of Christianity, the one that empowers just them so effectively, don't they?

      May 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • just sayin

      There is no such thing as a former Christian. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  14. gliese42

    The pastor is a good man and he speaks the truth. He may not mean what he says but his intentions are good. May the Lord be with him

    May 24, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And you are a fucking idiot!

      May 24, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      This pastor is a looney tune and if you cannot see this you are just as deluded as he is. Go away!

      May 24, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • midwest rail

      " He may not mean what he says, but his intentions are good ". Yes, just everyone knows modern day concentration camps, complete with electrified fence, are the epitome of " good intentions ".

      May 24, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • TxDon

      Good man?? He is suggesting rounding up and fencing in a group of human beings, keeping them there until they die. Another man did that, to the Jews, and his name was Hitler.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      The truly scary thing is he DOES mean what he says and he's polluting others with his hate and "intentions". His own peers are condemning him. Picking and choosing what truths he wants to exploit for his own agenda is dangerous and hypocritical. One cannot choose what he or she wants to teach their flock and conveniently ignore the bits and pieces that are inconvenient, ie. divorce, slavery etc. You either completely follow the bible or you don't. I refuse to subscribe to an organized religion that pushes their own agenda versus true Christianity.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • sam stone

      he speaks the truth, but does not mean it?

      so, he is a liar in addition to being a bigot?

      May 25, 2012 at 4:07 am |
    • sam stone

      The good pastor is a mouth breathing bigot appealing to other mouth breathing bigots.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:11 am |
    • pervert alert

      Declare a Truth and listen to the qu-eers whine.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:36 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      The religion virus is very strong in gliese42. It always amazes me how can compartmentalize their brain so completely that logic, reason and facts can not interact with beliefs.

      Beliefs need to be supported by observed facts. If beliefs are not supported by real evidence, the belief is empty. And what is the point in holding on to an empty belief?

      May 25, 2012 at 5:39 am |
    • just sayin

      For more on Elmers belief and proof look around, the self righteous bigot adheres to conspiracy theories with no proof at all. How does it spell hypocrite? God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 5:46 am |
    • WASP

      @just lying: "just sayin
      For more on Elmers belief and proof look around, the self righteous bigot adheres to conspiracy theories with no proof at all. How does it spell hypocrite? God bless"

      you are the last person to have the right to call someone a hypocrite. we all have seen your posts on here as pertaining to same gender equality. so your best defense "just sayin' is to keep your trap shut. you fracking hypocrite. god damn :p

      May 25, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • Primewonk

      This cretin meant exactly what he said. He admits that, and repeats it in follow-up interviews. So you are either lying, or are an idiot.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • just sayin

      There is no right to sin, there is no right to perversion and there is no need to equalize to promote immorality. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Primewonk

      Another thing folks like gliese42 have trouble understanding is that sin is relevant to the base sect or cult. Some cults teach that drinking alcohol is a sin, even in moderation. Some teach that dancing is a sin. What they refuse to understand is that if we choose to not believe in your particular version of a deity, we aren't sinning.

      We are not a theocracy. Whatever your particular version of a god wants, needs, desires, or demands, is irrelevant. Santa and the Easter Bunny have as much standing in our secular nation as your god.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • mandarax

      There is indeed a right to do plenty of things that you would identify as sin. Using the ten commandments as a reference point, I have the right to worship any or as many gods as I want in whatever order I want, I have the right to do whatever I want on the sabbath, I have the right to disrespect my parents if I choose, and I can say goddammit whenever I please, and so on. As I stated earlier, holy books have nothing to do with our legal rights.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:41 am |
  15. mandarax

    For those of you fervently quoting biblical scripture as if it proves something – it doesn't. Like it or not, we don't make legal decisions in this country based on any ones holy book, including yours. Yes, that means the Holy Bible too. It doesn't matter what your particular tribe of barely-literate sheepherders believed, you may not kill, harass, punish, confine, or withhold the rights of citizenship to any person whether they lay with a man or not. Your book of scriptures is irrelevant to the laws of our country.

    May 24, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  16. james

    The Jewish people have been discriminated against for all of their history and they have learned to circle the wagon against all and look after each other like no other ethnic group does. Their success is due to this need to advance each other's interests, be it in commerce, the arts, or politics, so that they can control their own destiny. I find this admirable but others will use their success as a reason to carry hate crimes against them. I am not Jewish but have had many conversations with Jewish friends.

    May 24, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    May 24, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • iBabble

      Pray changes things only when it is backed up by hate, ammo, and plenty of guns!

      May 24, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      Prayer is the language of divine love. God bless

      May 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • midwest rail

      If true, " Pastor " Worley could use a boatload.

      May 24, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Anti qu-eer is not hate. The pastor has expressed legitimate and concerned Truths. Qu-eers whine too much.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • mandarax

      Okay "prayer changes things," time to put your money where your mouth is. How about using your power to change "pervert alert" into a something other than a scumbag. I should think that any loving god would see that as a worthy cause and a respectable entreatment.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • "Atheism is not healthy", "just sayin", and "pervert alert" are all the same poster

      -–he uses about 50 other names here too.
      -–he's a moron who truly does not realize he's a moron.
      -–don't give this moron the attention he craves.
      have a great day!

      May 24, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • willie

      If this is true then there are no good Christians. This means no one has prayed for all war to stop, for all famine to stop, for all killing of children to stop, for all things evil to stop. Unless it is the Christians that are praying for these things to happen.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • Sean P

      Excellent point, willie.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:12 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      @willie,

      You hit the nail squarely on the head. Good job!

      May 25, 2012 at 7:06 am |
  18. Tul4hndn

    Oh my goodness, what a great idea. Ripping people away from their family and friends, forcing them out of their homes, and jobs, putting them behind a "fence" just because they are different...why didn't someone think of this before? Oh, wait someone did. Hitler. Who is now deemed evil. Irony anyone?

    Shame on everyone who allows this man and others like him to preach hate. HIS God might see love as a sin, but mine loves all. If God is all encompassing and in control of everything why would be create beings and then tell his followers to hate them? That's not any God I want to believe in.

    As for the bible. You give me a bible that was written by God and left untouched by "man" who picks and chooses what is to be put inside it and manipulates it to his own nefarious means and I'll believe in it. Until then, I will choose to believe my God is just and loving.

    May 24, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • DoNotWorry

      Goodness, you don't even notice that being gay didn't make the Top Ten Commandments? Hysterical Hate Mongers all of these people.

      May 24, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  19. meMyself and I

    After years of being away from the church, I'm thinking of rejoining!
    I mean, it seems so loving and inclusive now – a real happy place!

    /sarcasm.

    May 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  20. lisalamentforhumans

    So...this so called, "pastor" is nothing but a waste of skin. Anyone that would teach the beliefs of Christ while hating so vigilantly does not deserve to be considered anything more than the agent of the Devil.

    May 24, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • sam

      I suggest you call this good old boy and tell him that. The church number is 828-428-9550. Let us know how it turns out – could be fun.

      May 24, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      I hope this bigot, and his family, are ridiculed whenever they show their faces in public. They probably won't, though....he and the rest of the mother loving congregation have circled the wagons and are engaging in spiritual self-pleasure

      May 25, 2012 at 4:16 am |
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