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May 25th, 2012
12:43 PM ET

Perkins on opposing same-sex marriage

(CNN)–Tony Perkins, head of the conservative Family Research Council, argues that children lose when gay marriage is legalized and that such unions represent the death knell of marriage.

Perkins  spoke with CNN's Brooke Baldwin.

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- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. us

    the misspellings are on purpose

    May 25, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @us – "the misspellings are on purpose"

      mmm...I call shenanigans!

      May 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Jen

      I can not stop laughing right now! Thanks for the entertainment us!

      May 25, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  2. us

    Jen your are more upset about the way I spelled rights – now I know what I am up against – no argument against Female Genital Mutilation – you just showed yourself

    May 25, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Jen

      I did ask what you were talking about. Exactly where in Really's post did he/she support female genital mutilation?

      May 25, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @us –

      I in no way intend to speak for Jen – she can certainly hold her own – but, if you would, please explain the thread in which your "genital mutilation" comment is pertinent.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • us

      womens rights – human rights –

      May 25, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @us – "womens rights – human rights -"

      Was a response to my post? If so, I still don't get it.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Really-O?

      ...sorry..."was that a"

      May 25, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Jen

      I'm going to take a leap and assume this has to do with us' 'mausk' post (you know, mosque spelled incorrectly on purpose). I'm assuming us is attributing female genital mutilation to Islam (incorrectly, as many religions – including Christians – practice it even though no religion condones it), so why are we attacking Christians when there are other religions that treat women worse? No question that Islam treats women like crap. However, just because Christianity treats women better doesn't mean that women are treated anywhere close to equal. The bible specifically says that a woman must obey her husband. Pathetic. Women are treated as lesser just like gay people. That's why we live in a secular country! If we allowed Christianity (or any other religion) to run this country I probably wouldnt be allowed to be posting right now for fear of punishment!

      Just a guess as to what us was ranting about.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Jen –

      Well said! ... my heart goes pitter-pat.

      Cheers.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
  3. us

    Barry O bama – the 1st and only pres to campaign and run against capatalism
    One frightening individual

    May 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • us

      even the liberal dems are running away from him as fast as they can

      May 25, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • Jen

      'capitalism'. And you spelled derogatory wrong too! You're welcome.

      Get an education! Your opinion is meaningless otherwise.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • Jen

      And please tell me that you weren't trying to spell mosque below. Please!

      May 25, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @us

      Hey us, I really don't want to be part of your "us"...may I secede?

      May 25, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Jen

      There is no way us knows what secede means.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Jen –

      Clever girl! (no disrespect meant by the "girl" reference...just being playful).

      May 25, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
  4. ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

    Rick Sanctorum has said, it's better t have a straight father in prison, and one mom, than two free, and active dads !
    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/01/07/399942/santorum-tells-kids-with-gay-parents-youd-be-better-off-with-parents-in-prison/?mobile=nc

    May 25, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq –

      Santorum is one frightening individual.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Leo

      It sounds a lot like what the Ateist\Antichrist's say to Christians everyday on these sites...

      May 25, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Truth is known to frighten the godless qu-eers.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
  5. us

    go protest and occupy a Mausk for they oppose same – sacks marriage as well

    May 25, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  6. Snow

    A bigot who never even talked or interacted with a same sex family is now an expert on why it is wrong for them to exist as a family? Gimme a break.

    And how did he even tie in the children? "if it is a matter of two care givers, then three is better"? well most of the families HAVE a third care giver with a title "Nanny", moron!!

    May 25, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  7. us

    what – no free speech allowed

    May 25, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
  8. Bootyfunk

    tell me this guy isn't a closeted self-loathing h.omos.exual. would be funny if he didn't have so much influence.

    May 25, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • us

      making fun and accusing someone of being h o mo s exual – what a Hypocrite

      May 25, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Snow

      @us.. "closeted" "self-loathing" being the key words.. Guess now we know why you failed at reading comprehension..

      May 25, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • us

      you just proved my point – "self loathing" is a deragatory term, are you degrading people ?

      May 25, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  9. Really-O?

    ...and, by the way...Perkins' side will eventually lose (as all bigotry eventually does) and, twenty years on, will have conveniently forgotten that they were on the wrong side.

    May 25, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Wrath of Crom

      Just like they were with minorities civil rights, and women's rights

      May 25, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Wrath of Crom –

      Precisely.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • us

      jen – womens wrights – I guess these guys support FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION

      May 25, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Jen

      What the h@ll are you talking about? Wrights? Seriously???? My three year old knows how to spell rights properly. I'm not kidding!

      May 25, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Jen –

      At least we know what we're up against.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
  10. Really-O?

    Perkins is a bigot, plain and simple. Ten minutes on youtube listening to him will remove all doubt.

    May 25, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
  11. Sam Yaza

    i would say children lose when parents get divorced and remarried all the time,.... wait isn't that the a christian trend

    and not all people are Christians let non Christians Jews or Muslims men, women, and trans marry the adult of any gender of their choice

    my religion allows h$m@s7x31l^ty stop hindering the free expression of our religion

    May 25, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      and i do mean stop it,... stop it! you have been doing this for 2000 years stop it!!!!

      May 25, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. . .And a husband is not to divorce his wife."

      1 Corinthians 7:10-11

      Amen.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • sam

      Ok HS, but folks are still getting divorced. You should totally do something about that.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Sam, you should know this truth. God is in control.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @HeavenSent –

      Pish!

      May 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Without agreeing that there actually is a god, if god is in control, why do 700,000+ believers have abortions each year in the USA.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:46 am |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • martog

      prove it

      May 26, 2012 at 7:11 am |
  13. ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

    As usual, Perkins can't provide even one study that shows how the children are harmed, nor can anyone else.
    At the end of the Appeals Court case regarding Prop 8, out here in California, the judge asked the Plaintiff's attorney : "How exactly does same s'ex marriage threaten traditional marriage".

    After 9 months of expert testimony, and millions of dollars wasted on Psychologists, and Sociologists, ....In open court, he replied : ...

    ...

    "I don't know".

    May 25, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Mother, Mary, and Jebus...ʎʞɔnq is back! Where have you been (or is my perception off)? I've missed your intelligence and wit.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • Mr Chihuahua

      hahaha

      May 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Hey kids !! 😈 It's really moi.
      Buck's been sorta busy. Got myself (way) early accepted to med school. The new Doogie Howser.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • sam

      Congrats, Bucky! Damn, awesome.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq –

      Congratulations for your acceptance. Watch the loan debt.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Really-O?

      School? Program? If you're comfortable sharing...if not, cheers!

      May 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Speaking of Mother, Mary and Jeebus, my book also ('bout that stuff) will hit soon. I found a scholar "down under", (an Aussie), and together we rip the "salvation thing" to shreds. Yesterday the editor said the final ti'tle will be :
      "Paulianity", or Why the Religion Christians Think They Practice Really Isn't .

      May 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      No prob, 0 debt, thanks pop.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq – "No prob, 0 debt, thanks pop."

      Righteous. Bless you my son.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Nor does he have to know. There are plenty of experts for that. What is known is that whenever a nation becomes so perverse, ho mo se xuals are openly demanding acceptance of their hideous sins, that nation will not long endure. America is in crisis and cow towing to whiny qu-eers will not help.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • J.W

      What is a name of one of the experts?

      May 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • herbie/just sayin/pervert alert/atheism is not healthy/etc/etc/ is at it again

      He's on the internet, typing away!
      The mental defective just cant stop his 3rd rate trolling...............

      May 25, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Edmund Egan, Chief Economist of the City and County of San Francisco and director of the Office of Economic An'al'ysis within the San Francisco Controller’s office, Adjunct Professor at UC Berkeley, Professor Nancy Cott is a Trumball Professor American History at Harvard, and was previously a Sterling Professor at Yale, Dr. George Chauncey is a Professor of History at Yale University, Dr. Leti'tia Peplau, social psychologist at UCLA, Dr. Ilan H. Meyer, Associate Professor of Clinical Sociomedical Sciences at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, Dr. Michael Lamb, Social Psychologist at the University of Cambridge, Helen Zia, writer, who has spent decades covering Asian American communities, as well as social and political movements. Jerry Sanders, current Republican Mayor and former Police Chief of the City of San Diego, (father of a lesbian daughter). M.V. Lee Badgett, Ph.D, Professor, University of Massachusetts, Amherst. Ryan Kendall, testified about the “conversation therapy” he underwent in his youth and how he has been affected by discrimination. Gary M. Segura, Ph.D, Professor of American Politics in the Department of Political Science at Stanford University. Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D, Professor of Psychology at the University of California at Davis.

      Shall I go on ?

      May 25, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Same s'ex behavior is as natural as breathing. It's observed in all of nature. Only an ignoramus would type that drivel. And since, just as Perkins, you cannot provide ONE SHRED of evidence to back up that drivel, I will support my stance. mhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.ht

      May 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Oh, sorry.. School is Harvard, probably Surgery, (Cards Surgery .. interested in peds anomalies / birth defects).
      AND while I'm there, have applied also to the Divinity School .. heh heh. 1st atheist .. (well maybe not 1st).

      May 25, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Fellow Doc

      OHSU Peds 2007 in the house! Do good works bucky.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • just sayin

      Truth is not trolling and if you have evidence to support your multiple name theory please present it. Otherwise people might mistake you for a paranoid moron. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • herbie

      There is no herbie

      May 25, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Mr Chihuahua

      Damn you herbie lol!

      May 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Leo

      ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq, You claim "Same s'ex behavior is as natural as breathing. It's observed in all of nature."

      Sod-omy isn't!! Provide proof that Anamals perform Sod-omy. They don't for it is only a perversion of Man!

      May 25, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      GOD:

      I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

      Revelation 22:13

      HUMANS:

      (For we [are but of] yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth [are] a shadow:)

      Job 8:9

      Amen.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Hi fellow doc ! Very pleased ! 🙂 Are you done with residency, and all that ? My godfather was a Cards surgeon in Columbus. (founder Ohio Heart and Thoracic Surg).

      Leo, there are many definitions of "sodomy". If you mean "an'al" intercourse, it is indeed widely observed, and not only that, you DO realize, that it is practiced as much by straight folks, as it is by gay people, right ? And how do YOU know that's what they do, anyway ? http://www.springerlink.com/content/n424t1985133j770/

      And since you have followed me down the rabbit hole, thank you for admitting humans have no monopoly on morality.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho'mose'xual_behavior_in_animals (remove the ' s)

      May 25, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Leo

      I said show me Sod-omy in animals... could you provide any evidence? If not just say I can't.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • sam

      @Leo – don't fight it, we know you go for the male sheep over the female when you're wandering the countryside.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      I just did. If you can't read, just say so. http://www.springerlink.com/content/n424t1985133j770

      May 25, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • sam

      Oh, and p.s., Leo – go look up the definition of 'sodomy', you sod.

      I had a gay dog once, and he had better sense and morals than you.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Thank you HS, for reminding me that the Alpha and Omega line was stolen from the Essenes.
      http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm

      May 25, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Leo

      Wrong again Bucky the Essenes can 200 years after Isaiah where God was call the First and the Last.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Leo

      Isaiah 44:6
      “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth.

      Psalms 119:142

      Amen.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • Leo

      And bucky "One pair of male rhesus monkeys reared in the laboratory" ????

      May 25, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Leo

      "with exclusive social access to each other during their second year of life"

      Very Natural Settings!!!!

      May 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      1 Kings 14:24

      May 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Leo, again thank you for reminding me of the "Lord of Hosts", (the God of the Armies") : No same person could possibly take Yahweh Sabaoth seriously.

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg&w=640&h=360]

      While you're watching that, I'll go find the pagan source for "Alpha and Omega" .. I think it was Egyptian. Need to check.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • Wrath of Crom

      I love how bucky continually provides proof and statistical data. And the deniers scream for more or say not enough will providing no proof or data for their argument. All the while posting stupid quotes from the bible which has been proven over and over to contradict its self and have no scientific backing.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • common sense needed

      Typical, let some video do your thinking for you.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fNLuKHAjs&w=640&h=360]

      May 25, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Tell me Leo, why do you NEED a savior ?

      May 25, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      The fallacy of "location". The ONLY thing that matters is, is it TRUE or not. Not a peep of argument heard, (all too) common sense.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      well, gotta run. no.. I mean I gotta RUN. Cardio ya know. Anyhoo, Bible class will resume tomorrow evening, and we will learn about how what you THINK is Original Sin, isn't really what Genesis was talking about. Homework assignment : Read the Garden myth, (Adam and Eve0, in Genesis. Pay attention to the name of the tree.

      May 25, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Leo

      Bucky, The Fallacy is that you claimed "Same s'ex behavior is as natural as breathing. It's observed in all of nature."

      Yet Pocking the Butt example you find 2 year old Monkeys that were forced to live together in a lab.

      Truth is it isn't natural as you claim.

      Bible Lessons? I proved you wrong on the essenes... will you continue to perpetuate the lie though? Sure you will.

      Are you going to remove it from your book? Nope! Gota keep those lies coming!!

      May 26, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      No Leo dear,
      You missed the Science Daily proof.

      May 26, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Leo, good try. Remember His truth in Proverbs 16:4 and 2 Thessalonians 2:11 is upon them that refuse to fear Him.

      May 27, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  14. Mr Chihuahua

    Hey Perkins, when we want your opinion we'll beat it out of you lol!

    May 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  15. Nonsense

    Christianity is just Scientology with a 2000 year headstart.
    Same nonsense, just more time for indoctrination.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
  16. martog

    Lets see, we've got angry gays, and polite gays, angry Christians, and polite Christians, angry atheists and polite atheists, angry agnostics, and polite agnostics, a few naive onlookers and a whole bunch of a**holes.

    What should that tell you?
    Tells me that you can't all possibly be right.

    How in the h*ll does it infringe on your world if a couple of that love eachother want tone married? It doesn't. And to take a 'stand' against it doesn't make you a better Christian or a patriot, it makes you a bigot who refuses to accept someone who's different. If God didn't want people to be gay he wouldn't have made gay people. And make no mistake, some folks are just born gay. Deal with it.

    I've known plenty of gays and lesbians who are wonderful people, and can't fathom that they'd be turned away at the gates of heaven. What I can imagine, is someone who lived their life with the audacity to tell others what God wants or doesn't want, based loosely on the words of a bunch of guys who were last in the line of a few hundred year-long game of 'telephone', being given a second look at those same gates.

    If two people are in love and want to get married they should be free to do just that. No government, no ballot, no society, and certainly no book should have anything to do with dictating otherwise. Period.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
  17. Leo

    2 Timothy 3

    3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

    May 25, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • martog

      Rather than inculcating our children with the primary-color simple Sunday school legends and myths most people do, might I suggest the following ten comandments to enable them to think for themselves.
      1. DO NOT automatically believe something just because a parent, priest, rabbi or minister tells you that you must.
      2. DO NOT think that claims about magic and the supernatural are more likely true because they are written in old books. That makes them less likely true.
      3. DO analyze claims about religion with the same critical eye that you would claims about money, political positions or social issues.
      4. DO NOT accept it when religious leaders tell you it is wrong to question, doubt or think for yourself. It never is. Only those selling junk cars get frightened when you want to "look under the hood".
      5. DO decouple morality from a belief in the supernatural, in any of its formulations (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.). One can be moral without believing in gods, ghosts and goblins and believing in any of them does not make one moral.
      6. DO a bit of independent research into whatever book you were brought up to believe in. Who are its authors and why should I believe them in what they say? How many translations has it gone through? Do we have originals, or only edited copies of copies of copies– the latter is certainly true for every single book in the Bible.
      7. DO realize that you are only a Christian (or Hindu or Jew) because of where you were born. Were you lucky enough to be born in the one part of the World that “got it right”?
      8. DO NOT be an apologist or accept the explanation “your mind is too small to understand the greatness of god” or “god moves in mysterious ways” when you come upon logical inconsistencies in your belief. A retreat to mysticism is the first refuge of the cornered wrong.
      9. DO understand where your religion came from and how it evolved from earlier beliefs to the point you were taught it. Are you lucky enough to be living at that one point in history where we “got it right”?
      10. DO educate yourself on the natural Universe, human history and the history of life on Earth, so as to be able to properly evaluate claims that a benevolent, mind-reading god is behind the whole thing.
      I sometimes think that, if we first taught our children these simple guidelines, any religion or other supernatural belief would be quickly dismissed by them as quaint nostalgia from a bygone era. I hope we get there as a species

      May 25, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Leo

      Look how Accurate the Bible was to the attributes of the Anti-Christ's on the CNN Belief Blogs!!

      boastful
      arrogant
      revilers
      ungrateful
      unholy
      unloving
      irreconcilable
      malicious gossips
      without self-contro
      brutal
      haters of good
      treacherous
      reckless
      conceited
      lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
      holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power;

      Avoid such men as these!!

      always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth!!

      so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.

      But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all!!

      May 25, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • martog

      No matter how you dress it up, there are some fundamental difficulties with Christianity that are pretty hard to overcome.
      1. At its most fundamental level, Christianity requires a belief that an all-knowing, all-powerful, immortal being created the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies 13,720,000,000 years ago (the age of the Universe) sat back and waited 10,000,000,000 years for the Earth to form, then waited another 3,720,000,000 years for human beings to gradually evolve, then, at some point gave them eternal life and sent its son to Earth to talk about sheep and goats in the Middle East.
      While here, this divine visitor exhibits no knowledge of ANYTHING outside of the Iron Age Middle East, including the other continents, 99% of the human race, and the aforementioned galaxies.
      Either that, or it all started 6,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake. Either way “oh come on” just doesn’t quite capture it.
      2. This ‘all loving’ god spends his time running the Universe and spying on the approximately 7 billion human beings on planet Earth 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He even reads their minds (or “hears their prayers”, if you see any difference) using some kind of magic telepathic powers. He also keeps his telepathic eye on them when they are not praying, so as to know if they think bad thoughts (such as coveting their neighbor) so he knows whether to reward or punish them after they die.
      3. Having withheld any evidence of his existence, this god will then punish those who doubt him with an eternity burning in hell. I don’t have to kill, I don’t have to steal, I don’t even have to litter. All I have to do is harbor an honest, reasonable and rational disbelieve in the Christian god and he will inflict a grotesque penalty on me a billion times worse than the death penalty – and he loves me.
      4. The above beliefs are based on nothing more than a collection of Bronze and Iron Age Middle Eastern mythology, much of it discredited, that was cobbled together into a book called the “Bible” by people we know virtually nothing about, before the Dark Ages.
      5. The stories of Christianity are not even original. They are borrowed directly from earlier mythology from the Middle East. Genesis and Exodus, for example, are clearly based on earlier Babylonian myths such as The Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Jesus story itself is straight from the stories about Apollonius of Tyana, Ho.rus and Dionysus (including virgin birth, the three wise men, the star in the East, birth at the Winter solstice, a baptism by another prophet, turning water into wine, crucifixion and rising from the dead).
      6. The Bible is also literally infested with contradictions, outdated morality, and open support for the most barbarous acts of cruelty – including, genocide, murder, slavery, r.ape and the complete subjugation of women. All of this is due to when and where it was written, the morality of the times and the motives of its authors and compilers. While this may be exculpatory from a literary point of view, it also screams out the fact that it is a pure product of man, bereft of any divine inspiration.
      7. A rejection of the supernatural elements of Christianity does not require a rejection of its morality. Most atheists and secular humanists share a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent we reject Christian morality, it is where it is outdated or mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, our basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – we just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over our head in order to act in a manner that we consider moral.
      Falsely linking morality to a belief in the supernatural is a time-tested “three card trick” religion uses to stop its adherents from asking the hard questions. So is telling them it is “wrong to doubt.” This is probably why there is not one passage in the Bible in support of intelligence and healthy skepticism, but literally hundreds in support of blind acceptance and blatant gullibility.
      8. We have no idea of who wrote the four Gospels, how credible or trustworthy they were, what ulterior motives they had (other than to promote their religion) or what they based their views on. We know that the traditional story of it being Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is almost certainly wrong. For example, the Gospel of Matthew includes a scene in which Jesus meets Matthew, recounted entirely in the third person!! Nevertheless, we are called upon to accept the most extraordinary claims by these unknown people, who wrote between 35 to 65 years after Christ died and do not even claim to have been witnesses. It is like taking the word of an unknown Branch Davidian about what happened to David Koresh at Waco – who wrote 35 years after the fact and wasn’t there.
      9. When backed into a corner, Christianity admits it requires a “leap of faith” to believe it. However, once one accepts that pure faith is a legitimate reason to believe in something (which it most certainly is not, any more than “faith” that pixies exist is) one has to accept all other gods based on exactly the same reasoning. One cannot be a Christian based on the “leap of faith” – and then turn around and say those who believe in, for example, the Hindu gods, based on the same leap, got it wrong. In a dark room without features, any guess by a blind man at the direction of the door is as valid as the other 359 degrees.
      Geography and birthplace dictates what god(s) one believes in. Every culture that has ever existed has had its own gods and they all seem to favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams, and prejudices. Do you think they all exist? If not, why only yours?
      Faith is not belief in a god. It is a mere hope for a god, a wish for a god, no more substantial than the hope for a good future and no more universal than the language you speak or the baseball team you support.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Leo

      Martog, This was once a great nation built by great men that were not atheist, but Deist, Theist, and Christian. We trusted in God and even Read the Book of Genesis when we landed on the Moon.

      Then what Changed? The Rise of Secular Humanism infultrated our schools, science, and we now wonder why our country is no longer great?

      Did kids kill each other before the 60's?? Nope, but when you teach children that they are just the work of random chance without a purpose, despair and hatred creeps in and they come to hate those that have hope (Just like you!!)

      Who did the Columbine Boys kill? Christians!!

      The cool thing is Jesus told us this would happen!!

      10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • Wrath of Crom

      Go San Francisco Giants! Cabrera leads the league in hits and multi hit games. When panda comes back the Giants will make a big run.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • martog

      Ten Reasons You Know you are an Atheist.
      1. You were likely brought up a theist (probably a Christian if you live in the USA) and had to do your own thinking to rise above the beliefs that still occupy the mind of the believer. This usually involved being smart and working hard at school and college so as to get a good, accurate view of the natural Universe and overcoming significant social pressure to dumb yourself down and conform. In short, you had the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. The more you came to understand the Universe, the less reason there was to believe in a god and the more you came to appreciate human nature, the more you understood why billions of us still do.
      2. While rejecting the supernatural elements of the Bible, you nevertheless retain a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent you reject Christian morality, it is where it is mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, your basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – you just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over your head in order to act in a manner that you consider moral.
      3. You know a great deal more about the Bible than most believers. This is because you took the time to read it yourself and did not rely on the primary-color simple stories you learned in Sunday school. You have also probably done some research into the historical Jesus and have a good handle on where he REALLY fit in to the broader picture of the Middle East at the time. Needless to say, his miracles and other magic powers soon started to look pretty unlikely.
      4. Your knowledge of basic science and history is much stronger than that of your average believer. You likely have a basic working knowledge of physics, astronomy, evolutionary biology and cosmology and a good idea of the history of life on this planet. This acc.umulated knowledge puts you in a position to judge the claims of the Bible in a critical light and they are almost always found wanting. To the theist, this makes you “elitist” and ‘arrogant”.
      5. You relish your role as a religious minority in the USA, as this gives you an impetus to fight and you understand how others with unpopular, but doubtlessly correct views have felt throughout history. There is something altogether satisfying to you about having a deep conviction you are right and being viewed with disdain for your views by the errant majority. You feel a quiet confidence that future generations will look back on you as a member of a class of trailblazers, as religious supersti.tions go into inevitable decline in popularity.
      6. You are likely more environmentally aware than your theist friends and colleagues and unlikely to fall for claims of industry and wind-bag politicians concerning the impact of man’s activities on the environment. You could no more act in an environmentally irresponsible manner because “god will keep us safe” than you could jump of a ship, believing King Neptune will keep you safe.
      7. You generally have a live and let live atti.tude, but will fiercely defend any attempts by theists to thrust their views on you or your children, directly or through control of school boards, the legislature or the executive. While you are prepared to debate and argue passionately with the theist on an intellectual level, you would never wish them harm or ill will. You know you are likely to be smugly told you will “burn in hell for all eternity” for your healthy skepticism. This highlights what you despise about religion, as you would not wish a bad sunburn on another, simply because they have a different religious view to you. You have never heard of an evolutionary biologist strapping a bomb to himself and running into a church yelling “Darwin-u akbar”.
      8. You likely know more about other religions than your average theist. This makes you less fearful of them and enables you to see parallels. You realize that, if you were born in India, you would have been brought up with a totally different religion. You realize that every culture that has ever existed has had its own god(s) and they always favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams and prejudices. They cannot all exist and you see the error all faiths make of thinking only theirs exist(s). This “rising above” the regional nature of all religions was probably instrumental in your achieving atheism.
      9. You likely have a deep, genuine appreciation of the fathomless beauty and unbelievable complexity of our Universe, from the 4 nucleotides that orchestrate every aspect of you, through to the distant quasars, without having to think it was all made for you. You likely get more out of being the irrelevant ant staring up at the cosmos than you do in having to pretend that it was all made to turn in majestic black-and-white pirouette about you.
      10. While you have a survival instinct, you cannot fear death in the way the theist does. You know that the whole final judgment story, where you may be sent to hell if you fail, is Dark Ages nonsense meant to keep the Church’s authority. You also know that you were dead for 13,700,000,000 years before you were born. It is impossible for you to fear death, for the simple reason that you know the capacity to fear (or to feel pain or discomfort) itself dies. You will not even know you are dead. Fear of death is as meaningless to you as is the fear of a vacuum, the fear of not being born. You feel a lot more secure, and indeed a deep comfort, in this knowledge, than you would in trying to yoke yourself to some quasi-hope that every part of your intellect tells you is untenable.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • GodPot

      "infultrated our schools"

      I'm pretty sure it isn't secular humanism that causes poor spelling...

      "Did kids kill each other before the 60's?? Nope" Um, not to burst your logic bubble but that's an outright lie.

      Here's a prophecy for you. "My followers will take up my mantle and continue to force my beliefs on everyone and anyone around them attempting to purify the land of non-believers, and some will fight against us and call us names like Tyrant or Harlot or made up ancient religion just used to control people, and they will attack our faith, but that will serve as proof that this is the truth. So go and bang on peoples doors and force your beliefs on them by passing legislation denying them equal rights, otherwise they might not lash out against you as I have predicted would happen which will prove my phrophecy is divine in origin..."

      May 25, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
  18. martog

    Top Ten Signs You're a Christian
    10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
    9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
    8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
    7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
    6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
    5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
    4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
    3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
    2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
    1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian

    May 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Jeff

      I'm a Christian, but that's pretty funny right there! Cut and paste, or did you come up with that list? Either way, well done!

      May 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Nii

      TOP SIX SIGNS U R XTIAN
      1 U love God with all ur life
      2 U love urself
      3 U love ur neighbor as urself
      All cos God loves us all as Himself with all His Life
      4 U know that all religions are a path to spirituality n Christ offers the best example.
      5 U love ur enemies
      6 U love ur spouse as urself.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • just sayin

      In Nii's case the top signs are 1) Illiterate 2) Gullible 3) Incomprehensible 4) Delusional, etc

      May 25, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Nii

      @The Atheist blogname parasite
      I think u have been in lots of run-ins with me where I told u I love u as myself and try to do the same for others. It is not enough to use my religion against me. See beyond it.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • martog

      Nii...Just saying has got it right. Check yourself into a mental facility.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Lord has given His followers a sound mind. Wisdom is found in communion with God. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • martog

      Please prove the existance of Gawd, and than feel free to 'God Bless'...or better yet, if god exists, I'm sure he can 'bless' just fine without you....

      May 26, 2012 at 7:14 am |
  19. Doug

    Another instance of the scriptures going around in circles....

    Acts 15:29
    You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols...

    Daniel 1:8
    But Daniel resolved not to defile himself with the royal food and wine, and he asked the chief official for permission not to defile himself this way.

    Flip side...

    Matthew 15:11
    What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

    4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

    May 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Nii

      DOUG
      The Bible is not going round in any circle. The verses you took are parts of passages. If you read them in the context of their passages you wud realise they are addressing different topics. To understand the Bible you need to be able to read it in passages. The verses are quoted for preaching.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Nii...so many times people a la cart their verses to suit their point. The problem is that often times it's Christians that do that very thing!

      3 rules when reading the Bible...context, Context, CONTEXT.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • just sayin

      Nii has his own very special understanding of things.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Nii

      JEFF
      I understand your point perfectly. If a lot more people including xtians wud stop trying to twist the Bible to fit their views and rather seek to understand and do as it says there will be a lot less hatred and more charitable love. I qualify the love for a purpose!

      May 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Jeff

      @Nii...well said.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Doug

      Correction, the Bible does go around in circles. These passages are all about eating food that has been sacrificed to idols. Aparently you do not know as much as you think you know about the Bible.

      May 26, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Doug

      At first it says not to eat food scrificed to idols. Then it says it's ok to eat food sacrificed to idols. Finally, it says it's OK to eat food sacrificed to idols, but not in front of poeple who don't believe it's ok to eat food sacrificed to idols because it will work on their consciences.

      May 26, 2012 at 9:21 am |
  20. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    Perkins is an idiot, plain and simple. Men like him will hopefully die off soon enough.

    May 25, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Huebert

      Progress is made one death at a time.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
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