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May 25th, 2012
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Perkins on opposing same-sex marriage

(CNN)–Tony Perkins, head of the conservative Family Research Council, argues that children lose when gay marriage is legalized and that such unions represent the death knell of marriage.

Perkins  spoke with CNN's Brooke Baldwin.

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  1. Eric G

    Sorry to everyone. I didn't mean to scare Leo away, but he didn't even last one round.

    He must be new here.

    May 26, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Leo

      Too Funny... You post sites for me to look at, but you expect me to answer everyone at the same time....

      I like this quote Stephen Hawking in A brief history of time c.1988

      "One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could still imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterward in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job!"

      I like this for the very first line of the Bible provides the foundation of Physics with Time, Space, Matter and Energy.

      Isaiah 44:24
      Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

      He calls this stretching of the heavens like a curtain, and then science verifies the Fabric of Space and Time.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Eric G

      Ok, everybody be cool. I think he's back to play some more. Sorry I can't stay longer, taking the kids to the Drive-In.

      Be gentle with him, he is trying to swim in the deep end with the adults.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Stephen Hawking, The Grand Design, (his latest book), p. 172
      "Some would claim the answer to these questions is that there is a god who chose to create the universe this way. It is reasonable to ask who or what created the universe, but if the answer is god , then the question has merely been deflected to that of who created god. .... we claim however, that it is possible to answer these questions purely within the realm of science, and without invoking ANY divine beings."

      May 26, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      The problem with the "creative act", (and your god) is that it would have had to "begin" the creative act, BEFORE it created spacetime, (which Einstein proved are unified .. thus space AND time would be preexistant), AND Leo, there is NO description you can provide, or property you can name, of your god, which does NOT require time, (and therefore space). If god requires time for it's existence, it cannot be it's creator.

      May 26, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Get Real

      Leo,
      "He calls this stretching of the heavens like a curtain, and then science verifies the Fabric of Space and Time."

      Come on, Leo. Do you think that the "Fabric of Space/Time" refers to dra'pery material?!

      It refers to "fabric" as in: " – the underlying structure; "providing a factual framework for future research"; "it is part of the fabric of society" -http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fabric. It would be the root word for "fabricate" – to make.

      The primitive Middle Eastern Hebrews thought that the sky was stretched over us like the roof (curtain material) of a tent. Guess what?... it isn't.

      May 26, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      @Get Real
      There is an excellent diagram of that in the New American Bible, p. 5, in Genesis Chapter. Have never been able to find it on line, but this is a fair approximation : http://io9.com/5586362/a-scientific-diagram-of-the-ancient-hebrew-cosmos , it's missing a few things.

      More here : http://www.kjvbible.org/firmament.html

      May 26, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Get Real,

      Thanks for the link, bucky ball,

      Nice picture, although I wasn't able to "embiggen" it for a better view.

      Too bad that the old Hebrews were so superst'itious about art and didn't produce some of this stuff...

      May 27, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  2. A Serpent's Thought

    @ Jen, "Leo- if god created life then what/who created God? If your answer is that god always existed (ie a BS answer) then why did he only start life a few thousand years ago when it is indisputable that the universe has existed for billions of years?"

    God is the Nothingness that reaches ever outward and ever inward! He (Nothingness) takes hold of all things great and so very very small! Our souls are the nothingness that wraps all our cells together and the holy spirit is the nothingness that holds all our bodies' atoms together!

    May 26, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Jen

      If you don't have an answer you should just say that instead of saying things that make no sense whatsoever 🙂

      May 26, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Eric G

      Actually, what you describe is a scientific hypothesis called "dark energy". To make unverified claims without evidence because you didn't study in physics class is intellectually dishonest.

      No points for you.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The Bible explains 3 earth ages and 3 heaven ages. We live in the 2nd earth age waiting for the 3rd earth age to come.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Jen

      I don't believe in the bible.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • Eric G

      @HeavenSent: I think you are talking about "The Lord of the Rings".

      May 26, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'm sure Tolkien read the good Book.

      May 26, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      The Strong Nuclear force holds atoms together. "Nothingness" is a nice philosophical construct. In fact it is NOT observed in this universe. ""Empty space" has been proven by Physics to be teeming with "something", which for now, is termed Dark Energy, and Dark Matter. There IS evidence for it, as it distorts Gravity. No points for "nothingness" crap.

      May 26, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  3. Bob

    Leo, since you keep spewing and pasting bible references at us at length, let's look at some of the details of what's really in that book of nasty AKA the Christian bible:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Now, since you keep spewing about your bible, note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Please, stop referencing that Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, as a guide to, well, anything.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    May 26, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Leo

      Very Original Bob.... Are you trying to pretend you are conversing?? I gave you the link to the site that will address all of your issues.

      Bob, you are missing the 99% of the Bible that brings hope, salvation, etc.

      What is your hope Bob? tell me please! what are your goals in life?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Bob

      Leo, that site you posted a link for is laden with basic fallacies and errors. Read Eric's comment about it. Now grow some courage and respond in your own words to my post, coward.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, the NT enhances the OT.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Eric G

      @HeavenSent: Nice to talk to you again. I hope all is well.

      If the Bible is the word of God, why would it need "enhancing"?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Eric, the Bible is the history of Jesus' life, coming to earth, walking among us in human flesh, after God the father created the world again (Genesis) allowing us that resided with Him to come to earth by being born of women, the story of life and the hereafter (the remaining books) ... until the Book of Revelation ... where evil (death) is wiped out, Jesus comes back to earth again, reigns and we that endured to the end, dwell with Him..

      May 26, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • Eric G

      @HeavenSent: Jesus was not in the OT. How could it be a history of his life?

      May 26, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Eric, here's a great link to read http://www.biblestudysite.com/foretold.htm

      May 26, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  4. Leo

    One of the hardest questions confronting Christians defending the biblical record is, "How could a good God commission Israel to destroy women and children when they're fighting their battles?"

    This has happened more than once in the Bible. It's difficult to explain the answer to this, though I think there are a couple of reflections on the issue that offer food for thought. You can approach this from a couple of different directions.

    First one caveat. I fully acknowledge that not all good answers are going to be emotionally satisfying to a lot of people. That's why this is a hard issue, because people let their emotional sensibilities rule instead of trying to see the bigger picture.

    One way to approach the problem is to show that it's a much bigger problem than first imagined. Curiously, I think this helps make the solution simpler. God's command that Israel destroy women and children in battle is really just the tip of the iceberg.

    What about when God slew the firstborn of Egypt? Many of these were women and children, some infants. Every plague on Egypt–the hail, the gnats, the frogs, the locust, the boils–fell on all Egyptians equally, not just upon the soldiers.

    What about Sodom and Gomorra in which, with the exception of Lot and his family, every man woman and child was turned to cinder? Everyone was indiscriminately destroyed. The same thing happened in the Genesis flood. Only eight in the entire world survived. It's interesting that I have never heard anyone raise the complaint "What about the women and children?" in these instances.

    When you read the book of Revelation you'll find this practice of God's is not limited to the Old Testament. In the future, God will once again visit judgment upon the world and destroy not just the soldiers, but the women and children as well. I've never heard anyone raise an objection about that, but isn't it the same problem, essentially?

    The underlying question, "Is it right for Jews to kill women and children at God's command?" can only be answered by answering another question: Can God legitimately judge and destroy the world or any portion of it or its inhabitants that He sees fit to destroy? Is this inside of God's prerogatives or outside of it?

    My answer is unequivocal: It is not evil for God to take life, because God is the Author of life. He can give it and He can take it away. That's part of the prerogative of being God. All that He creates belongs to Him. This is His world. He needs no further justification, because He is not compelled by any law higher than Himself.

    Second, our notion of the sovereignty of God entails that every detail of the world is under direct control of God. Nothing happens that He doesn't either actively cause or passively allow. God did not create the universe, wind it up, then let it spin out its course without His involvement. Instead, regarding every nation of mankind on the face of the earth He has "determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation." (Acts 17:26)

    This means that since humans are mortal, there comes a time when every life God created "shuffles off its mortal coil" and returns to Him, either for ultimate judgment or for ultimate reward. God, the Giver and Taker of life, calls every life back to Him at some point and in some manner. The timing and the method of each person's demise is somewhat incidental, from a moral perspective. It's up to Him.

    So I'm arguing first that it's God's prerogative to take life when He so chooses, and second that the means He uses to take that life is a matter of His prerogative as well. Whether it's by disease, or mishap, or hailstones, or the angel of life, or the sword of a Jewish soldier, the means is up to Him. It's His prerogative.

    My third thought has to do with the question, "What did those women and children do? They were innocent." I certainly understand the response and there is a sense in which on an emotional level I am troubled when I consider this. But there's another aspect to keep in mind.

    God deals with people not just as individuals, but as groups. When the nation of Israel is doing well as a nation, doesn't He prosper the whole nation, even though there are individuals in the nation that are scoundrels? When the nation is doing well, generally speaking, God blesses the nation and everybody prospers.

    However, the flip side is that when the nation is corrupt, then God judges the nation as a whole and everyone gets judged, even those remaining few that might be innocent. God is dealing with the nation as a group, for good and for ill. It works both ways.

    This should not be a foreign concept to us, though we probably haven't considered the connection between this biblical reality and modern day practices. When the President and Congress agree to go to war against another country, they act as federal heads of state and commit each and every American citizen to war against a foreign power. The nation is at war, not just our lawmakers.

    And we all suffer alike in the process. We surrender our effort and our taxes and even our life blood, if necessary. We all participate, even though war wasn't our idea. We acting as a unit, as a family, as a nation. And those we war against retaliate against us as a unit.

    In the same way, when I nation rebels against God, it is not uncommon for God to go to war against that nation itself and not just against a few rebellious individuals. God takes up arms against the land and against every man, woman, and child.

    Let's keep this in perspective, though. In the case of the nations in question that were utterly destroyed by God, it isn't a few citizens that imperiled the many. We know from Abraham's appeal on behalf of Sodom and Gomorra that God will spare a whole city of sinners for the sake of a handful of righteous people. Instead, there was a pattern of ongoing, thorough-going, and persistent moral rebellion against God that went on for years–in many cases, for generations–in spite of repeated warnings by God.

    There's a third thing. It pertains to the challenge, "If God were really good, how could He do such a thing? How could He destroy these innocent people? This is barbaric." They take this record of God's judgment as evidence that the God of the Bible isn't really good at all, and therefore should not be believed in.

    I approach it from a different direction. I think the preponderance of evidence from the same historical record–the Old Testament– is that God is good. He continually demonstrates not just his holiness, but also His patience and forbearance for those that consistently rebel against Him, though He has graciously cared for them.

    This gives us good reason to trust Him. And if we have good reason to trust Him, then when we see things that seem to go against our sense of goodness and justice, it seems only fair to give the benefit of the doubt to God, who just might know something more than we know.

    When we were children, our own parents acted in ways we didn't understand. We didn't think their decisions were fair. Later we learned that, for the most part, they had insight and information unavailable to us that influenced their decisions. Many times we learned that they were acting in our best interests after all, though we didn't see it at the time.

    These are the kind of things we discover as we grow up. We learn that our parents were right most of the times we thought they were off base. The same kind of hindsight is true with God. God may know a few things we don't know.

    By the way, the question has also been raised, "Why destroy the cattle, too?" My understanding is that in many of those cultures the people were so decadent they were having intercourse with animals. This caused rampant venereal disease in animals and humans that even infected children as well. So this may be– I'm not sure, but it may be– another reason God wanted these entire cultures wiped out. Because of their moral corruption, they were physically corrupt, and this represented a health threat to the new inhabitants of the land, the children of Israel.

    Even if that wasn't the case, as the Author of life God still has the right to take life according to His own judgment. I've given you three good reasons to help make sense of that. Whether it's emotionally satisfying for you or not is another issue altogether.

    May 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Eric G

      Emotional satisfaction is irrelevant unless you seek unverifiable justification to immoral acts.

      Sam Harris once used an example that, based on infant mortality rates, 8 million children under the age of 5 die every year. Most of their parents were praying desperately for their child to be spared. Their prayers are not answered as they watch their child die. On top of this horror, according to your bible, most of them will be going to hell because they are not Christian. For this to happen, your God is either unable or unwilling to do anything about it. That makes your God either impotent or evil.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Leo

      Children are not accountable for their sin and have not reached the age of accountability. There is not a single verse that claims children will be punished in hell.

      Luke 18:16
      But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Eric G

      I was referring to the parents, but nice try.

      Please provide any verifiable evidence that your god exists.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Jen

      What is the age of accountability? Strange, because the Catholic church used to say unbaptized babies go to hell, then they said they went to limbo (whatever that is), and now they changed it again. Strange, given that god is not supposed to change EVER!

      May 26, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Leo: Also, earlier in the blog, you posted a web site for review. I did so and provided an unbiased review. Perhaps you have not followed that particular thread, so please visit http://www.ironchariots.org and provide your thoughts.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Leo

      Eric, was this your unbiased review? "I find that the content is at best, logically flawed, and at worst, intellectually dishonest. "

      May 26, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Leo: Yes, that was my honest and unbiased review. To make statements of fact without verifiable supporting evidence is, in fact, intellectually dishonest. The content of the claim is irrelevant. All of the claims made on the site you referenced carry their own burden of proof responsibility. It does not matter if you are a believer or not, the claims made on your site are not supported by verifiable evidence and thus, must be disregarded as illogical or dishonest. That is about as honest and unbiased as it gets.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Leo

      Tell me what section did you look at? Really...

      May 26, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Leo

      Eric here is the first section I posted

      People read in the Bible that God will deliver us anything we ask for in a heartfelt prayer. This view of prayer is a childish and man-centered way of thinking. God is not a gumball machine: we cannot just pop in a quarter (prayer), turn a crank, and receive a gumball (the answer). There are a few prerequisites.

      Marshall Brain’s website asks us to pray the following prayer:

      Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.

      There are a few things that must be noted about prayer before continuing with this discussion that our friends at this website have neglected to factor into their test.

      First, there is an obedience component. Look at Job 22:27: “You will pray to Him, He will hear you, and you will fulfill your vows.” Or “Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart” (Ps 37:4). What about Psalm 66:18? It says, “If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.” Consider Proverbs 28:9: “If anyone turns a deaf ear to the law, even his prayers are detestable.” Proverbs 15:8 and 15:29 say that “The Lord detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases Him” and “The Lord is far from the wicked but hears the prayers of the righteous.”

      Notice a pattern in the boldfaced words? That’s right: there is no promise of an answer in any of these verses, there is only a promise that God will hear you. Psalm 37:4 seems to be an exception. However, Psalm 37 has a future outlook to it; and therefore is only a promise of eventual fullfilment, not of immediate gratification. It should also be noted that, textually speaking, following the preceding imperative statements found in verses 3 and 4 will yield positive results. That means the Psalm can be translated as above (NIV), or as “He will answer your prayer” (NET). However, in the original Hebrew, the text promises only a divine blessing, not a direct answer.

      This proves the fallacy of those that claim God should heal amputees, yet they do not understand the scriptures enough to understand the rebuttal?

      May 26, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Leo: Thank you for proving my point. Your latest post included many claims of fact without any supporting evidence. I say again, all claims carry a burden of proof that can only be satisfied with the presentation of supporting verifiable evidence.

      Please do not attempt to use further biblical quotes to logically prove your point. My lesson on "circular logic fallicies" is not scheduled until next week.

      Maybe we can try a different path......

      Which is more important to you, knowledge or faith?

      May 26, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Eric G

      As to your other question.... I looked at many sections.

      Why, when I asked for you to review http://www.ironchariots.org, did you then cut and paste more passages from your site? Are you unable to visit my link and review it in an unbiased manner?

      May 26, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  5. Leo

    Numbers 31

    31 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “ Take full vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites; afterward you will be gathered to your people.” 3 Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian. 4 A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.” 5 So there were furnished from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 Moses sent them, a thousand from each tribe, to the war, and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war with them, and the holy vessels and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. 7 So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. 9 The sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods they plundered. 10 Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. 11 They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. 12 They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.

    13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? 16 Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. 19 And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. 20 You shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.”

    May 26, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Leo

      Lets look at Numbers 31 in context and you find that the Lord commands vengence on the enemies of his people.

      It will not be any different in the end, the key is what side are you going to be on Gods or his enemies?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • mandarax

      Leo, with all due respect, it sounds like you moved straight from Marvel Comics to the Bible, but along the way you lost your grasp that it's just fantastic stories about made up superheroes.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Leo

      Never read comics, but I do like the movies. Yes I do believe in the Almighty God, and my savior Jesus Christ.

      Take a look at Israel... outnumbered 50-1 surrounded by enemies that want to destroy them. So that the whole world would know that God has gathered them one last time before the end!!

      May 26, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • mandarax

      ...or perhaps because it was created by a post-WWII treaty, and has been protected and propped up by the US and Europe ever since. I guess I'm not seeing the invisible magic part of that process either, huh?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Get Real

      Leo,
      "I do believe in the Almighty God, and my savior Jesus Christ."

      But not Superman?.... or the Green Lantern? Why not? There is just as much evidence that they will come and save you.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Leo, "It will not be any different in the end, the key is what side are you going to be on Gods or his enemies?"

      The only enemies of God nowadays are those who no longer believe in God! As in the days of Noah went, so will it be in the ends of Time! All but the believers for God will be against God and His believers! The living waters of socialisms will be as filthy rags and unclean sackcloths while the living springs of the waters being the newest generations or the children will also be as unclean waters likened to living waters of socialisms! All waters of life will be unclean in the ways of sodomy and lesbianism from the very young to the very old!

      Only in physical death may one gain entrance into the Kingdom of God which is inside our bodies! When one dies their soul or spirit or conscience is taken back into the KIngdom of God or their body, the temple of God to be judged by thi=eir body's most high judges of Godliness! The commiting of suicide is not a natural death and in so doing such, you will not be spared into righteousness in the Kingdom of God!

      May 26, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
  6. Bob

    Leo and HeavenSent, since you are often referencing that evil Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, let's look at some of the nice demands from god that are written in there. Fine stuff like this:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Now, since you keep spewing about your bible, note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Please, stop referencing that Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, as a guide to, well, anything.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    May 26, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  7. chosen2

    Sodom is a sign of the last days! It is according to God's perfect plan. knowing the time, that now high time to awake out of sleep: for now our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light

    May 26, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      chosen2: go meet jesus halfway. do you have tall buildings where you live? perhaps a sidearm?

      May 26, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • sam stone

      chosen2: equal rights always bother bigots. marriage equality is coming. if that bothers you, too bad. leave

      May 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
  8. mandarax

    @SouthernGirl2: "You know NOTHING about God, so stop aimlessly searching for scripture to justify your SIN. "

    You are absolutely right! They don't! And neither do you. The difference is that you claim to. You have not ever died, so you don't know if there is a heaven. You have not heard or seen God (at least I hope not because this may indicate schizophrenia), so you don't have any insider information based on experience. What you think you know is based upon thoughts and feelings and what other people have instructed you to believe. That's all any of us have to go on. We all have the same sources of information about God, it's just that some of us (including you, it appears) insist that you are the only ones who know anything real. I would argue that your way of knowing (faith) is demonstrably the least effective way to learn things, and that applying critical thinking to that tiny body of information that we are all limited to has proven much more effective in determining what is real.

    May 26, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Bob

      mandarax, fantastic post. Thank you, and I completely agree.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Leo

      Mandrax, By your name I would assume that you work in IT... have you ever had any programs develop on their own? Build code that not only builds an application, but also at the same time builds the code to replicate itself? And heal itself?And at the same time this code falls together it builds the enging to process the code? and before everything starts it needs to first build a special protective layer "Cell" so that it doesn't get detroyed too fast. And it also builds code that also knows how to extract energy from its surroundings?

      That is life and the work of a developer that is far beyond our comprehension.

      And yes there is built in adaptive programming for survival, just in case the enviroment changes.

      Yes you see biological evolution, but the problem is you don't want to give God the credit.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      leo: why do you feel that a creator is proof of a god?

      May 26, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Considering that over 90% of the species that have ever existed are extinct, either your god is inept or doesn't exist.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Leo

      All things die in this world, but death brings forth life.... a lot like the promise of Christianity.

      Maybe that was his plan, considering the Bible says clearly that unless the Lord returned there would be no flesh saved. Yes man will nearly destroy everything.

      Keep trusting in Man, and see how far that gets you!

      May 26, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • mandarax

      Leo, it sounds like you accept biological evolution, which makes sense because that is indeed what the overwhelming preponderance of evidence supports. But you say that everyone who doesn't add in a specific magical element (the Christian god) to overrule every other observation – an element for which there is no objective evidence, nor need of in order for the model to work – is not seeing it clearly? From a scientific standpoint, your argument simply reaches far beyond the data.

      So, you can insert an extraneous, invisible, and unsupported force to the whole model if you want, but doesn't add anything to the explanatory power of scientific biology, and it is unwarranted to call someone me silly for leaving that extra part out.

      PS – nope! don't work in IT.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Leo,

      Many folks including many religious people can't seem to fathom that our bodies are but temples or even God's buildings where on the inside of our bodies does reside God and all of God's sunjects and servents and creatures and plants and what nots! Without the Gospels inferring this we would not know such truth as to the whereabouts of the kingdom of God!

      May 26, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Leo

      Mandarax, The problem with your faith in evolution as the answer for where it all started and\or formed. You must then believe that life started from non-life (Abiogenesis) yet there is no evidence of this? So bottom line is that you must have Faith that Abiogenesis had to have occurred in the past, so we really aren't that different?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Bob

      Leo, science doesn't require faith. Nice try at conflating your mythology with science, but you fail.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • sam stone

      Answer the question, Leo. If you can. Why is the concept of a creator in your mind synonymous to that of a god? If you can't answer it, that is fine.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Jen

      Leo- if god created life then what/who created God? If your answer is that god always existed (ie a BS answer) then why did he only start life a few thousand years ago when it is indisputable that the universe has existed for billions of years?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • mandarax

      No, Leo, you are making that classic confusion of science and faith. There is no faith in science – science is the opposite of faith. Science is the process of continual questioning and continual revision of ideas to fit the data. Faith is never questioning, and twisting the data to fit the ideas.

      If we are to learn anything real, we must strive to make our beliefs conform to our observations of the universe around us, not the other way around.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Leo

      Mandarax, So Abiogenesis is Fact? Proven? Verifiable?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Leo

      Bob, Jen, Same, Tell me how did life start? What do you "Know" or believe?

      May 26, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Bob

      Leo, stop trying to change the subject, coward.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Jen

      I have absolutely no idea how life began. Maybe with a big bang. Maybe not. Nothing is conclusive. What i do know is that it is not acceptable to start making crap up when you don't have the answers for everything.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Leo

      I didn't think you would answer that Bob... it shouldn't be that hard... I have to respond to 5 different people...

      May 26, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Leo, if indeed there was a sentient creator, there is nothing to indicate it did anything more than set the initial spark. Evolution needs no supernatural aid to occur - just time and living organisms, and there has been an abundance of time. Amino acids (the primary building blocks of life) have been created in a lab using inorganic compounds and energy, no god needed. There is certainly no evidence to the support the existence of any of the thousands of gods created and worshiped by humanity, the chrisitian god included. Indeed, there is something rather foolish about the human habit of starting wars and abusing people in the name of these invented gods.

      It's time for humanity to grow up and stop deferring to imaginary friends. At least it would give us one thing less to fight about.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • mandarax

      Leo is presenting a classic false dichotomy: if there is not yet a perfect a scientific explanation of how the first life began, then everything in the Christian creation story must be true. The logic fails miserably.

      I've got a river to run and a trout to catch, so I'm outta here. Have a great and safe weekend, everybody, including Leo.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Bob

      Leo, really, you have yet to "answer" anyone with a response of any substance. Thanks for coming out, though, sort of.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • sam stone

      leo. pretty much what i thought. you are too much of a coward to answer the question.

      May 26, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
  9. Nii

    The question of marriage

    Its plain silly 2 say marriage is a right. Marriage is a privilege which in all cultures is granted certain men n their female partners. De simplest of all is Walk-in marriage by a certain Chinese tribe. In all de privileges r 4 de children then de wife n de lastly de man.

    May 26, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Your intellect is embarrassing to our race, go away!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • sam stone

      Nii: Equal protection under the law. So, for you and others, I say that bigotry hiding behind a bible is no less bigotry

      May 26, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Nii

      SAM STONE
      I am not even hiding behind any Bible. Even in Hindu-Bhuddhist cultures where being gay and whatever else is permitted marriage is understood to be a male-female contract to protect children n de woman who bears them as well as the man who protects them. Under what pretext are u speaking!

      May 26, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • tallulah13

      So Nii is another person who believes that people who cannot bear children should not be married. Silly Nii doesn't understand that in reality, marriage is a contract between consenting adults which grants them legal rights, such as combined estates or the ability to make medical decisions for their partner should one become incapacitated. It allows people who love each other to provide for and protect their partner, and gives them the protection of the law.

      Nii also doesn't understand that gays and lesbians are able to produce or adopt children, or perhaps he simply doesn't care if those children aren't given the same protections as the children of heterose.xuals.

      All Nii understands is that he is uncomfortable with same se.x marriage because he was taught that it was bad, and he's not willing to look further than that. He willfully defends unfair discrimination because of his ignorance. And somehow he thinks that this behavior makes him a good person.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Nii

      TALLULAH
      It is soo funny. Describe what sort of contract exists between every person possible. None! For each type of contract only certain classes of individuals can enter into it. It gives them privileges not rights. If u don't have a spouse these privileges revert to a next of kin.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Nii

      TALLULAH
      The US govt grants married couples certain privileges. These may or not be granted elsewhere in the world. These privileges do not consti.tute marriage. They are benefits accruing from struggling to enter the insti.tution of marriage and the govt giving a hand to help the family.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Nii

      You can't discriminate in a case without precedent. Its an insult to my Black African ancestors to claim its civil rights. African slaves were once freemen. Their freedom was restored not granted by law!

      May 26, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Nii, marriage grants legal rights and priveleges that are not available to people who are unmarried. It is a legal contract that binds two people together. That is why you must go through to court to get a divorce. It is not about fertility.

      I hope someday you are suffiently human enough to wake up from your prejudice and look at the real world. Until that day, you are simply another small-minded bigot causing harm in the name of a god you can't even prove exists.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      i am speaking for equal rights under the law. whether any (or all) other belief systems feel that marriage is only for man and woman is irrrelevant when developing public policy.

      May 26, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
  10. Cissy

    A lot of you folks are going to be really upset when you find out that GOD is a lesbian Buddist.....

    May 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      The religious morons could never fathom their lives without a god. They're a bunch of p*ussies who cannot handle the truth.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Leo

      Most Christians have lived their lives without God, and then when they heard the Gospel and believed in Jesus Christ as their Saviour they see how much better their lives became.

      The Power of the Almighty God is a wonderful thing to have behind you.

      Look at Israel and the diaspora and now 2000 years later reborn as the Bible promised. Out numbered 50-1 yet always victorious!! Praise God!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Leo

      Honestly, get a life, think for yourself. What you say makes no sense. Read something and learn for crying out loud.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Leo

      Voice, You claimed "The religious morons could never fathom their lives without a god."

      I lived the first 28 years not following God, so you point is bogus..

      I have lived without him and with him, and you are the one that can not understand that.

      I have a great life and have been most blessed!! It seems clear that you are the one who is miserable, that why you attack Christians... Misery loves and needs company!!

      The cool thing is we were told about you and folks like you before.. so we can rejoice when you hate and attack us!!

      May 26, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Leo, Amen. Pay absolutely no attention to those that have eyes that can not see or ears that can not hear due to the sin holding them captive. I wonder if that is why they are so frustrated about the slavery scriptures in the Bible ... since, they are slaves to sin.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • mandarax

      Heaven Sent, how delightfully self-righteous and condescending of you. Your comment is nearly as arrogant as your name.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Bob

      HeavenSent and Leo, since you are referencing that evil Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, let's look at some of the nice demands from god that are written in there. Fine stuff like this:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Now, since you keep spewing about your bible, note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Please, stop referencing that Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, as a guide to, well, anything.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Cissy

      I always have to wonder WHY it makes athiests SO MAD that others know believe in a higher power. The mere mention of GOD can send them into a tasmanian tail spin! I could care les WHAT you believe in so WHY are you so involved and upset at my beliefs? They say they 'don't hate 'Christians" but they OBVIOUSLY do- WHY do they find GOD so threatening?

      May 26, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Leo

      Bob, Do you only post that same Garbage?

      Are you unable to discuss anything or do you cowardly throw that out and run everytime?

      May 26, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Bob

      Don't get your knickers in a knot, Cissy. It's merely because religious idiots also get to vote, and thereby negative impact the laws and public policy that the rest of us have to live by.

      And after many centuries of religious persecution and bigotry of various groups by Christians, well, Christians have it coming in spades, so get used to it or just toss your silly supersti-tions aside, that smarter folk saw through long ago.

      As they say, "Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the cowardly, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them."

      May 26, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      Cissy: Using the book to justify denying other's civil rights is one thing. Seems people need a boy. It used to be African Americans, now it is gays.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Bob

      Uh, Leo, you are the coward, for believing in your tooth fairy in the sky instead of dealing with reality. Now actually try responding with any substance to my post. Thus far, you have not been able to. So, again, Leo, you spineless coward, let's look at what your horrid bible actually says:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Now, since you keep spewing about your bible, note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Leo

      Bob, here is a good website that will address the concerns that you have by following websites like amputees, etc.

      http://weknowgodisreal.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/proof-1-try-praying/

      May 26, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Jen

      I have zero issue with what people believe in, as long as they respect the beliefs of others. Don't tell gay people that they can not marry, don't tell me or my daughters that you can make decisions about what happens in our bodies, etc, etc. Don't tell me what god thinks period. Do not speak for anyone else, god included.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Leo: Thank you for the reference. I find that the content is at best, logically flawed, and at worst, intellectually dishonest.

      You do seem to have an open mind, so I would suggest http://www.ironchariots.org. I would only ask that which you ask of atheists. To read with an open mind and without preconcieved bias.

      I anxiously await your review.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Bob

      Thanks Eric.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  11. midwest rail

    The Big Lie #2 as practiced by today's faux Christian – SSM is a slippery slope leading to recognition of bestiality and pedophilia. When confronted with contradictory facts, they default to Big Lie #1.

    May 26, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  12. A Serpent's Thought

    @ TruthPrevails :-(, "Once again I do not equate crime and sin to be the same thing. If my child committed a crime, it is not up to me to forgive but up to the courts. Fortunately, my child was raised without a belief in a god and is not out doing stupid stuff in the name of belief. My husband is more intelligent then you could ever wish to be and he is right when he said what he did."

    Are you implying Athie waythie Stevie is yur hubby?

    So, if your child did steal money from you, would you take him to court for his/her crime against you?

    May 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Not implying anything, stating a fact. AtheistSteve is not only my husband but my best-friend, my confidante...he is the most reasonable, understanding, loving man I have ever known and I am beyond fortunate to have him to share life with...and yes we are quite happy.

      As for my child (not AtheistSteve's child), SHE would never steal money, that is not who she is and even if she did she would not be trusted and in her younger days would have been disciplined to the point of losing privileges (ie; no allowance). I always raised her to understand that if she did something out of line the punishment would fit what she did wrong (ie; she used the word retard once and once only because upon hearing it, I made her sit down and look up the definition and write it out...she never used it again). When I speak of crime, I speak of crimes that harm society, my child doing something in defiance of me does not harm society, it only harms me and her. However, my child is a terrific law abiding person who knows the difference between right and wrong without the use of a book to guide her. She treats everyone regardless of belief, se.xual orientation, color equally...she was raised to treat others respectfully and not judge anyone. While not perfect she is overall a good person. She doesn't drink; doesn't smoke; doesn't do drugs and is off to college in the fall. We've allowed her to think for herself and have only offered guidance in her decisions, as a result she is able to speak to both her father and I openly about anything.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      TruthPrevails 🙂

      I am happy for you and your hubby and your daughter being so raised and letting your daughter's conscience be her guide! Forgive me for saying but it seems you have been blessed in your family life! May the rest of your life be filled with social pleasures and personal happiness!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  13. Bootyfunk

    is there any other inst.itution aside from the church that can come out with such prejudicial views these days? and they still claim to the the "good" guys. ha! there is no more derisive force in the world today - religion.

    May 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Leo

      Steve, Do you and other Ateist have prejudice views on Christains?

      May 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Leo

      Bootyfunk is who that was to be addressed to....

      May 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Leo: When religion preaches prejudice against others it deserves to treated in the same manner.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      ... said the blind man to those that see. LOL.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Leo

      Sounds like and eye for an eye....

      May 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  14. SouthernGirl2

    Get Real

    You know NOTHING about God, so stop aimlessly searching for scripture to justify your SIN. Christians today are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about slavery, crimes, punishments & ritual cleanness. We are not under the law because Christ came not to abolish the law but to fullfill the law. The will of God was revealed in his son Jesus Christ. Jesus IS God. God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Ghost.

    May 26, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      You are such an ignorant little girl!! We probably know more about scripture then you could ever wish to. Get back to the asylum before they send out the men in the pretty white coats to get you.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • sam stone

      SouthernGirl: And you feel your knowledge of god is better than other people's? Arrogance, thy name is evangelism

      May 26, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      TruthPrevails 😦
      There you go again with the "WE"! Get with the rpogram and "Learn" to say and/or type "I"! Only a fool takes for granted others out of context and incorrectness forgoing the "I" and supplanting a "we"! Dumb Fvcker!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Says the dumb fuker who gets it's basis for thought from sheep herders. Enjoy your delusions. I have better things to do with the remainder of my day than argue with idiots. It's been fun though. Expect me to be back to stir your panties into bunches later.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      jesus himself says you are not to drop a single letter from the OT. the OT adds to the NT, not replaces it. do you follow the 10 commandments? guess where that's found? OT. you can't pick and choose.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Jen

      Who cares what the old or new testament say? They are both completely INAPPLICABLE to the laws of this country. Feel free to follow the bible in your own life. You have no right to tell someone that they have to follow your belief system. You can't in any way dispute this.

      I would never follow the bible because it specifically says that as a woman I am not equal to a man. I would be a terrible mother to my daughters if I let them grow up following the bible.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      AtheistSteve

      I believe in God, yes! My belief is not as that of iron-aged sheep herders' beliefs are! I can swear and if I so chosen, drink to get drunk and my God will be there when the next morning comes after a night of drunkenness! People like you A.S. have little to absolutely no conscience as to what is right or even wrong when it comes to many matters of right-minded conscience! Sodomy is an uncoscienable act and likewise lesbianism is! For any nation to allow such perversionisms to be raised on par and with the Acts of "Heteralism" has the devil as their conscience!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Jen

      Oh so pretty much everyone is Canada is going to hell? Strange given that Canadians are known to be kinder and have higher morals than Americans (much less violent crime, every other country loves Canada, refusal to fight in illegal wars, much more helpful to the less fortunate, free healthcare to all – to name a few).

      May 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @SouthernGirl2

      You are a f*ucking idiot, period. You don't know what the f*uck you are talking about. You are clueless, unintelligent and frankly why don't you do yourself in since people like you are looking forward to.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam stone, There's a big difference when learning, comprehending, and applying Jesus' wisdom to live righteously versus just reading scriptures with ego in full swing as you mock His truth so you can live blinded by sin.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      AtheistSteve, you deny that those sheep herders were your ancestors too ... instead you'd rather believe that at the time your relatives were swinging in trees. Hey, there's a bridge over in Brooklyn for sale if you bought into the evolution or big bang batam and robin boom boom. LOL

      May 26, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      @Jen: Thank you, we do appreciate your kind words. It is nice to see another parent who is raising open-minded children, those girls are very fortunate. We know they'll be good people because of who you are.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @HeavenSent

      So, do you know a lot about evolution?

      May 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Jen

      Truth prevails – I was ver fortunate to have parents that never tried to influence my beliefs one way or the other. They allowed me to attend church and Sunday school with my friends (including Christians, Hindus, Sikhs,etc). I only recently discovered my parents are atheists (I just assumed they were non-practicing Protestants). That's how little they pushed their beliefs. And somehow, without religion, I still manage to be a pretty nice person and have yet to commit a crime.

      That is how I plan to raise my two daughters (and baby number three currently incubating). If they decide to become religious – great – that's their choice. If they're gay – great – they were born that way. As long as I instill tolerance and kindness then have succeeded.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Jen

      Whoops – 'very fortunate' and 'I have succeeded'. Don't want to look like one of the many uneducated people on here 🙂

      May 26, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • mandarax

      Jen, you rock. Your girls are very lucky.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • sam stone

      HeavenSent: Your self-proclaimed piety is duly noted.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • sam stone

      HeavenSent: You know nothing about the way I live. So, go know yourself in a biblical manner, boy

      May 26, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  15. SouthernGirl2

    HeavenSent

    If anyone is the bigots, it's folks like you Prevails. Consent my foot, it's called living a lie blinded by sin.

    **************************************************

    Preach the Gospel!

    May 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      Southern Girl: It is a government license. Your religious book does not carry any weight in the secular world

      May 26, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • captain america

      Consider that steve is a know it all canadian whose opinion is of no value in its own country and is here trying to convince Americans it is intelligent. Tell it to go F itself. There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Sin doesn't exist. No God...no sin...no soul...no heaven...no hell and no afterlife. Must be terrible to be so close-minded.

      captain america is a poor representative for America. Don't worry fellow rational US citizens...we know it doesn't speak for you. Canada is grateful however not to have that particular idiot soil this great land.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • captain america

      There is no issue with Canada , the issue is with butt in idiots like you coming here and dropping your dog crap on our land and beliefs. Like all qu eers you try to misdirect the focus, we are wise to your foreign BS go F yourself canadian. There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Jen

      Captain America – I'm a Canadian who is a legal resident of the United States. Are you going to tell me to go back to my own country? Not to worry. I have no plans to visit the south of the country EVER (where I'm positive you live), as I don't have much in common with people like you (what with my high school diploma, my tolerance for all people and my ability to speak English properly 🙂

      May 26, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • sam stone

      captain america is a troll. do not feed the trolls

      May 26, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  16. A Serpent's Thought

    TruthPrevails :-), "Thought: Sin does not exist outside of the buybull. Anything that does harm to society is dealt with in accordance with the law of the land, not the law of the buybull. We do not use the word SIN because we understand that it is a biblical term. We do not in any way support people who commit crimes of any form. You use sin to define anything and everything. We do not believe or will ever believe that being gay is a crime because we know it isn't, you are wrong to say it is. Crime and sin are extremely different and do not belong categorized together. We are not the ones who are the issue in this world, it is your own bigoted viewpoint that is the issue. As I said to your counterpart SouthernGirl, imaginary friends are for children and schizophrenics...which category do you fall under? You're one of the most immoral people on this blog and until you have evidence to back your god and your buybull, your opinion lacks merit."

    Your stating, "We do not in any way support people who commit crimes of any form" is but a follish discrepency of idiocism! If your child commits a crime against another; will you "not" forgive them their crime? Your idiocracies to not say a crime is sinful overshadows your child's crimes and even though you may forgive them, the same is the father of spiritualism forgiving the child their crime/sin!

    You also stated, "We do not believe or will ever believe that being gay is a crime because we know it isn't," Why must you always start with "WE" in many of your sentences? Why can't you just say "I" instead of having to include others when it is your personal belief system you are establishing? Men sleeping with a man or woman sleeping with women goes against the very fabrisciousness of marriage between a man and a woman! The gates of sodomy and lesbianism are nowadays opening up for all people to see and digest! Suffer the little children their parents viled and wicked ways and should the children learn of and become not like their parents, then will the parents' child(ren) truly be free!

    May 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Her "we" includes all secular, non-religious rational minded people. We form our moral decisions based on careful examination of the consequences of our actions. You would be wise to follow suit...but I highly doubt you will given your blind adherence to antiquated dogmatic ideals.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      AtheistSteve

      You are such a bigotted fool for professing such an ignorant blathering of supposedness to include all forms of idiocraciies giving the knee-ferked reaction of supporting bothersome ideals of loathsomeness! Only a fool says we when it is he that does the talking!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • captain america

      Go F yourself steve. There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      A Serpents Thought: Once again I do not equate crime and sin to be the same thing. If my child committed a crime, it is not up to me to forgive but up to the courts. Fortunately, my child was raised without a belief in a god and is not out doing stupid stuff in the name of belief. My husband is more intelligent then you could ever wish to be and he is right when he said what he did.
      You are either a child or schizophrenic to maintain your belief in an imaginary friend....either way you need to seek the help of mental health professionals. Your hatred and bigotry are not healthy and are quit damaging to society.

      Captain Ass: Shut up for once in your life. You have nothing to say that benefits the conversation EVER. This is the world wide web and we are your closest neighbors...without us backing you, you are nothing but then again you, yourself, are nothing.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      @A Serpent's Thought

      Struck a nerve have I?
      I challenge you to tell me where in this post I made a bigoted statement. If by calling out religious beliefs as superst.tious nonsense is bigotry then you have just redefined the term. I voice my opinion of your claim that God exists just as I would a person who claimed they were abducted by aliens. Put up or shut up I say. If you can't demonstrate that your God is real then why should anyone believe it?

      May 26, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "fabrisciousness"

      lol. you sound like don king's retarded brother.

      protip: when there's a red line under the word when you type it, it's likely not a word.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Alice

      Bootyfunk,
      "fabrisciousness"

      Serpent (et al) prides himself on his neologisms... like the Jabberwocky. He does it on purpose. He's having fun.... and just think, we here are keeping him off the streets!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Alice

      p.s. Did you know that the words, "chortled" and "galumphing" were the Jabberwocky's neologisms which became real words?

      May 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      fabriscious and ness equates fabrisciousness! It's not my fault the tea toatlers dictionaries cant "syloquate" or "phoneticize"!

      May 26, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • captain america

      I do not give a rats ass what you do in your own backyard and it is not a national issue. We take issue with you running your mouth on US and "our" beliefs. This is our nation not yours. Letting YOU personally know we do not need your canadian BS. It is you "liar" prevails that is assaulting the beliefs of our nation.There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  17. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS––>>>>>>>>>>

    "Abrahamics" like Perkins believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine periodin the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    -=-=-=-=-----------------------------------------------------

    May 26, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  18. HeavenSent

    As far as Christians thinking for ourselves, we do. Not only do we follow Jesus' truth we have to contend with learning man's logic that follows and/or denies Jesus' truth. Therefore, I'd say that Christians are ahead of the blinded folks in this world.

    May 26, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Practice that "logic" part a bit harder. You've fallen far below the mark.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheist Steve, you really mean close my eyes to sin that destroys other souls.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • captain america

      We are one nation under God we do not need canadian bull sh it to think for ourselves. In fact we really don't need canadian anything. Mind your own F'n business. There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • SouthernGirl2

      Amen, HeavenSent!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Sin doesn't exist...souls don't exist...no God...No heaven ....no hell and no afterlife. You are all wasting you lives and energy following NOTHING.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Bite me captain america. This is an international news site. I don't care what you think or say. You can't stop me from posting and if that burns your ass then all the better.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • captain america

      Keep it in your own backyard steve or do they tell you to FO like we do. There's your sign.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ AtheistSteve, "Sin doesn't exist...souls don't exist...no God...No heaven ....no hell and no afterlife. You are all wasting you lives and energy following NOTHING."

      Times a waisting AT! Quit trying to parlor away your onw divisiveness and rhetoric! Christians can see right through your quackery!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • captain america

      Qu eers always degenerate to their filthy pleasures steve. We Americans have a moral backbone and stand as one nation under God. Try getting a canadian qu eer to bite you. We do not need you here. There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      it's likely jesus never existed. if he did, he was just a cult leader, like david koresh.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 26, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
  20. SouthernGirl2

    When will it stop? People will be arguing about their right to marry their sister, brother, animal and so on. Look at you now, arguing for a right that two men get married. Disgusting and immoral.

    May 26, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      When will you stop your bigotry is the better question?? When will you learn the definition of consent? When will you learn that you are living a lie? When will you learn that this is the 21st century and that book you hold so dear is not updated in accordance with the evidence of the 21st century? When will you learn that EVERYONE deserves equal rights? When will you learn that if you make a claim, you should be expected to be called on it and asked to back it?
      Prove your god exists little girl!! You are ignorant and deserve to be called out for it!!
      The only disgusting and immoral thing here is that you are not capable of thinking for yourself. Denying equal rights to other consenting adults is immoral and disgusting.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      If anyone is the bigots, it's folks like you Prevails. Consent my foot, it's called living a lie blinded by sin.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Qu-eers the folks that unleashed AIDS on the world.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      As far as Christians thinking for ourselves, that goes without saying. Not only do we follow Jesus' truth we have to contend with learning man's logic that follows and/or denies Jesus' truth. Therefore, I'd say that Christians are ahead of the blinded folks in this world.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Where exactly do you get the notion that things will escalate in the preposterous manner you suggest? Laws are in place to protect the innocent. Incest is illegal..so is pedophilia...so is beastiality. Being gay and in an adult consenting relationship is not. You seem to have some serious issues concerning s3x and a person orientation. Not surprising given your predilection to believe in fairy tales.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HeavenSent: I'm far from the bigot here. I'm not the one attempting to use a 2000 year old book as reasoning to deny anyone equal rights. Sin does not exist outside of the buybull and thus it is not pertinent in society. There is nothing wrong with consenting adults living as they wish to and we have laws in this world to prove that fact. Being gay is natural not wrong or a choice, it is only people like you who see it as being wrong and thus the reason people like you get called what you are-BIGOTS!!!
      You can't use your buybull in a court of law as a defense and so it does not count for anything except to allow the laziness and stupidity of people like you to shine through in this world.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • captain america

      Two canadian qu eers trying to infect a Godly nation with their filth. There's your sign

      May 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Get Real

      SouthernGirl2,

      Do you consider it "moral" to command that a rap.ist be paid 50 shekels and to marry his victim?
      Deuteronomy:
      22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
      22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife

      Do you consider it "moral" to command that adulterers be stoned to death?... Unruly children?

      Deuteronomy:
      22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
      22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
      22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die.

      Do you consider it "moral" to exclude those with physical disabilities and illegitimate children from the temple?

      "Deuteronomy 23:1 No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD.
      Deuteronomy 23:2 "If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
      Deuteronomy 23:3 No Ammonite or Moabite or any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even down to the tenth generation.
      "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)
      ""For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."" (Leviticus 21:18-21)

      Is it "moral" to give a fake cure for leprosy?
      Leviticus 14:49-53

      49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
      50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
      51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
      52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
      53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

      I don't have time to cite the many others, like selling you daughters, how to beat your slaves, and commanding of killing babies, but you really need to PAY ATTENTION to what you are reading in that book.

      The "God" of the Bible has an "immoral and disgusting" streak a mile wide.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      TruthPrevails 🙂

      Denying one equal rights for gays and lesbians is not as concerning an issue as is teaching the very "impressionable" in their most maleable years are! If one is going to teach the very young and sensually innocent about sodomy and lesbianism then don't teach it as being sugar coated! Teach them what it means by telling them about the sensual acts and actions of such sensualisms! If one doesn't teach the whole enchilada then you are perverting the very essences of sodomy and lesbianism and are then the bigot for not teaching all that which is included in all actions of sodomy and lesbianism!

      May 26, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • just sayin

      @get real
      You start with a faulty translation and get worse from there. What you have shown is a remarkable ignorance of Bible knowledge. God bless

      May 26, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevails, Christians care about everyone's souls. Non-believers are clueless to even having a soul never mind how to care for it, which is reading, comprehending and abiding in Jesus' spiritual truth (the Bible) how to live righteously as He directed.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • sam stone

      Animals cannot consent, SouthernGirl. Your hyperbole does not speak well of your logic.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • sam stone

      I see, HeavenSent, you think for yourselves, but you define truth as what was written iron age sheep lovers. Good for you. Now it is time to get back on your knees

      May 26, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam stone, and you're trying to convince me that your ancestors were still peeling bananas, swinging from branch to branch and of course they couldn't scribe a thing.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The problem with people like Southern Girl is that they don't seem to understand the concept of "consenting adults."

      May 26, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      i do not know what our ancestors did, HS. I do know that you are a pompous fool

      May 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • sam stone

      tallulah: they understand it. they simply don't care

      May 26, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Bob

      sam, I think what SG2 and many other religious folk do is called "willed ignorance". Part of the explanation, anyway.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Right on target, as usual. As soon as atheists figures out they are loosing the debate with their flimsy excuses, the name calling begins.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Bob

      HeavenSent, look into the eyes of a suffering victim of any of the multiple disfiguring, debilitating, painful diseases that your "loving" god has purportedly created. Then you might understand that Christian god as described in the bible is not loving, doesn't give a hoot about human suffering, and in fact does not exist.

      Please, do the world a favor and toss your disgusting god myths into the garbage with all the ones that preceded them. Christianity is just more of the same myths, and in fact copied a lot from the older ones.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, life is a test from God. Do we love and follow Jesus (truth) or do we love and follow satan (lies)? Choose wisely.

      No one is exempt from suffering. That's part of living life down on earth in human form. I've suffered at the hands of the non-believers on this earth. The difference is, I know that life on earth is not all there is to Jesus' truth.

      May 26, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • Get Real

      HeavenSent,

      Paraphrasing your comment to another poster here:

      For responses to these assertions of "truth" of yours, made years ago, I suggest you search the older articles to find them. If not, get some new material to bore us with.

      May 26, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Get Real, some folks never read Proverbs 16:4.

      May 27, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
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