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May 28th, 2012
05:36 PM ET
Conservative leader agrees to visit home of married gay couple for first timeBy Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor (CNN) - A conservative Christian leader who opposes same-sex marriage has agreed to the idea of dining at the home of a married gay couple, after saying he had never done so in an interview with CNN. Tony Perkins, who heads the Family Research Council in Washington, received the invitation after telling CNN’s Brooke Baldwin on Thursday that he’d never been to the home of a married same-sex couple. "My wife and I will be glad to respond when we receive the invitation to find a time that works," Perkins said in a statement to CNN on Monday, referring to the invitation. The Family Research Council has helped lead a national movement to ban same-sex marriage, helping pass anti-same-sex marriage laws in dozens of states. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories The invitation to Perkins came from Jennifer Chrisler, the executive director of a gay rights group called Family Equality Council. Chrisler and her wife have twin 10-year-old boys, with another child on the way. “I would like to extend an open invitation for you and your family to visit my home and have dinner with my spouse and children with the full hope that you will witness the love that exists in our families,” Chrisler wrote in her invitation, which was sent to the Family Research Council by certified mail on Friday, according to a spokesman with Family Equality Council. My Take: Why some Christians focus on homosexuality “While I recognize it may not change your mind, I hope that it might soften your heart,” Chrisler said in her invitation, which was sent to news media. “As Christians, I think we can both agree that ours is not to judge and that we must live by the golden rule.” In an interview with Baldwin on Monday, Chrisler said she was surprised that Perkins accepted her invitation. She said she had been inspired to send it after seeing President Barack Obama announce his personal support for same-sex marriage earlier this month. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter She noted that Obama and Vice President Joe Biden said that getting to know same-sex couples who are raising kids played a big role in their decisions to support same-sex marriage. “I tell my 10-year-olds, if you’re having problems with somebody, if you don’t understand them and they don’t understand you, talking to each other is the first step,” Chrisler said Monday. Watch CNN Newsroom weekdays 9am to 3pm ET and weekends. For the latest from the CNN Newsroom click here.
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Prototypical fundiot claim – Gays choose to be gay.
Person with at least 10 functioning neurons – Post the scientific evidence that supports this.
Prototypical fundiot response – [sounds of crickets chirping]
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Protypical fundiot claim – There are no qûeer animals.
Person with at least 10 functioning neurons – Post the scientific evidence showing there are no hômosèxual animals.
Prototypical fundiot response – [sound of crickets chirping]
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Prototypical fundiot claim – Evolution is wrong.
Person with at least 10 functioning neurons – post the scientific evidence that the theory of evolution has been falsified.
Prototypical fundiot response – [sound of crickets chirping]
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Prototypical fundiot claim- The universe was created 6000 years ago.
Person with at least 10 functioning neurons – Post the scientific evidence that shows the universe is 6000 years old.
Prototypical fundiot response – [sound of crickets chirping]
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Prototypical fundiot claim – Global warming is a scam.
Person with at least 10 functioning neurons – Post the scientific evidence that climate change is a scam or a fraud.
Prototypical fundiot response – [ sound of crickets chirping]
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Anyone else see a trend here?
Primewonk, typical carnal response as you are still blinded to Jesus' spiritual truths.
I see crickets chirping as a trend here, Primewonk. How did I do? And what about other noises? Are there others?
I, too, am seeing cricket chirps trending here. Is there any hope for our evil atheist empire?
Oh, wait, we may see an invasion of frogs in a moment...yes, I think I see them now!
[buried under a wave of frogs]
EEEEYYYYAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!
Hmmmmmm
I couldn't help but notice that neither of you refuted a single point I made.
I rest my case.
Well, HS didn't understand an iota of your post, Prime, so you'll have to write more slowly and use smaller words for her.
Prime, Are you really sure that ALL gays are born that way? Though I do agree in some cases it does seem true, it also appears to be more of a culturally acceptable practice just as in the Roman Empire before its collapse.
What a stupid question. Oh, wait...it's Leo. Same sh!t, different day.
When are you going to grow a brain, Lame-o?
Come on, Leo. Work on those reading comprehension skills!
Post by Leo is a form of the Poisoning the Well fallacy and includes non sequitur elements.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
Fallacy Spotting – In reality means we will not answer your question for it will prove our previous statements may not be 100% accurate.
We must find something wrong with the statement, must find some other excuse, must fall back on calling names, must change subject......
*** it also appears to be more of a culturally acceptable practice just as in the Roman Empire before its collapse.
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I have seen this response before (and yes, from Leo)
The Roman Empire collapsed because it spread itself so thin, it could no longer pay or feed its army.
Thus, it came under attack, and eventually fell.
It also didnt help that The roman senate literally bankrupted the empire.
But people like Leo like to blame it on "gays".
Leo, according to many historians, it was perfectly acceptable
for the elite (Ya know, those with power and money)
to have a wife, children and a male consort.
That is not what destroyed Rome.
Leo, try reading history before posting an "opinion"
that suits your agenda.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's funny. And yeah...Heaven Sent is a f***ing whackjob!
Prayer changes things .
@ everyone: this person is a troll and keeps posting the same garbage without wanting to discuss anything.
so please don't feed the troll.
..said the person who fed the troll. Good one.
~Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
So does power, religious elitism, and money. Perkins is a power hungry Christian eating from the palms of the Republican party.
Just hit "report abuse".
What this "poster" is doing is called trolling.
This is the same guy as Heaven Sent and Just Sayin who throws this same baited hook out on every page and when he gets a nibble he posts under one of his other handles. He's the worst of all trolls. Just simply ignore and he will stop if he gets no bites.
Didn't Rick Perry and about 60,000 pray together in a stadium for rain, to end the drought in Texas not too long ago? If meteorology reports serve me right – I do not believe the drought ended for many weeks later. One would think a huge, united prayer would yield results. Or, could it be that the creator needed more dry dirt in the region for a "bigger picture" reason? Who are humans to say?
Kind of a moot point. I have dinner with Ho mos ex ual s all the time. Still doesnt make their choice in life style right in Gods eyes. But who am I to judge . If they are not in the body of Christ it is none of my concern.
1cor5
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside"
Except that being born gay is no more immoral, wrong, or a sin than being born left-handed or black.
Oh...Wait...It wasn't that long ago that religious bigots said that being left-handed was a sign of the devil, and being black was the mark of Cain.
Sorry, but this is just one more thing, in a long line of things, that your god got completely wrong.
Primewonk, how can a non-existent being get anything wrong?
*bonk* [slaps Primewonk upside the head]
Scarmas, I'm not the one who claims an invisible magical skydaddy wants them to think gays are icky.
For Leo and Hitchens: just one scientific reference, as requested...
INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PRIMATOLOGY
Volume 16, Number 3 (1995), 173-204, DOI: 10.1007/BF02735477
Ho.mose.xual behavior in primates: A review of evidence and theory
Paul L. Vasey
Abstract
Homosexual behavior is defined as genital contact, genital manipulation or both between same-s.ex individuals. Available data indicate that this behavior is phylogenetically widespread among the anthropoid primates, but totally absent among prosimians. The majority of the 33 species that demonstrate homosexual behavior do so rarefy, but for a substantial number (N =12) it appears to be a more common pattern under free-ranging conditions. I summarize data on homosexual behavior as it relates to form, living condition, age, s.ex, social organization, and ecological context, and discuss hormonal, demographic, and sociose.xual theories for primate homosexual behavior. Among adult primates, the behavior is not the product of abnormal excesses or deficiencies in androgens. Prenatal excesses of androgens may have some effect on the expression of female homosexual behavior, but these effects might vary over the life span, and data are equivocal at present. Demographic processes that result in skewed se.x ratios can favor the expression of homosexual behavior in a population, which causes intraspecific variation. I examine several socios.exual explanations, including (a) proceptivity enhancement, (b) receptivity reduction, (c) dominance assertion, (d) practice for heterose.xual copulation, (e) tension regulation, (f) reconciliation, and (g) alliance formation.
I requested nothing of you and will not be needing your advice on anything, thanks.
"There are no qu-eer animals." -Hitchens
I'm sorry, but in a public forum you may receive responses from a variety of individuals, especially when you make demonstrably false claims. It honestly amazes me (and not in a good way) how people will make declarative statements like that with absolutely no idea of whether or not they are true. The facts don't even seem to matter, what matters is stubbornly insisting on their own opinion.
Thanks for providing more evidence that primates play with each other, etc. How common is that an'al intercourse was my question.
I have not been able to find any evidence, with the exception of monkeys that were confined to only each other up to the age of 2 years. Not a very natural environment.
If an'al intercourse is so natural, then shouldn't we see it practiced in animals as is claimed in other activity?
I will also note that dropping down our standards to the animal level really doesn't raise the bar for mankind now does it?
Leo, I love how you keep probing deeper for information on anal s.ex. Thanks for coming out on an international news website.
Leo, you DO realize that hetero couples have anal s3x, too, don't you?
No, you probably don't. You're vanilla all the way.
" I will also note that dropping down our standards to the animal level..."
Humans ARE animals.
Post by Leo includes the Suppressed Evidence fallacy and represents a case of Willed Ignorance, along with having non sequitur elements.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
Fallacy Spotting – Really means we will not answer your question for it will prove our previous statements may not be 100% accurate.
You refuse to answer the question, must find something wrong with the statement, must find some other excuse, must fall back on calling names, must change subject......
********************Hitchens
I requested nothing of you and will not be needing your advice on anything, thanks.
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In other words, i dont care what science says,
I am right, and you are wrong.
You cant have a conversation with a brick wall.
Conservative Christian leaders suck. I wish I could assign them jobs according to their skill set and intelligence. That would be a blast.
With a handle like Alien Orifice, I seriously doubt you have the mental capacity for even such a menial job as that.
That's pretty rich, Jim. I mean, who walks around in this day and age with a name as fatuous as Jim?
Just kidding Jim.
He should go in there and tell them they are going to hell. Now that right there would be a kodak moment.
How would that be a Kodak moment? Please explain.
Hell was created to scare little kids like you into behaving.
My mother used to get me to eat food i didnt like by telling me,
there are starving kids in China.
Years later i find out that the Chinese said the same thing about starving kids in America.
Guilt and lies no longer work.
Another win for Obama. Four more years!!
yay obama! woohoo!!!
I want to suck Obama.
Gary Johnson 2012! If only. Obama is all rhetoric and Romney's a Mormon. Vote Gary Johnson for REAL change.
Be quiet Alien, we dont want to upset the losers
There are to, too many judges of others lives! Judge not your brother but your own life. Live and let live and we will all be happy. Let God do his job and you do yours (love one another )!
😉
The gay ain't producing milk.
Sorry, no milk, just cream.
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you fat, pale, weak, and sedentary.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
Prayer dulls your senses.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
Oh my, this is rich and wonderful...I'm keeping this.
Ho mose xuality is a mental illness. I couldn't have said it better myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-AXAOT_swIE
Since the 1970s, the consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions globally is that ho'mose'xuality is a normal variation of human se'xual orientation, while there remain those who maintain that it is a disorder.[2] In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified ho'mose'xuality as a mental disorder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho'mose'xuality_and_psychology
bucky, this is some lame-azz bozo who can't even come up with its own screen name.
I knew somethin was screwy. 🙂
CNN is baiting all of you. Wake up!
doesn't he know they'll put g.ay in the food!!! lol.
What's on the menu? Clams and muffins. Mmm-Mmm!
That's pretty funny.
and for desert, one of my personal favorites –
Hair pie!
Something smells like crap and my unit itches, why is you ars bleeding? I don't think we should have done that....
Outed yourself, there, troll.
See if you can figure out how.
Ooh Ooh, I know Tom Tom! Pick me my hand is up!!
Hair Pie:Bake 2.
Corndogs, and footlongs.
Go for it girls !!!!!!!!!!
just lying the fundie thinks she knows what God "listens to".
God does not hear any prayer that is not under the blood of Christ. It is in His book. Even His own people cannot talk to Him in sin. Sorry about you Tom. God bless
So god is hard of hearing. That'd have to be the case. It's tough to hear, when you don't exist.
Just sayin...
And I'm back!
Just sayin...
Idiot, you have no more idea of what God hears than a donkey knows who its father is. Get over yourself with the nonsense "it's in his book." He didn't write a book. Men did.
Tom,
They have every angle covered.
I once asked.....
The church tells me i am born with sin.
The church tells me that Jesus died for my sins.
So i should have no sins.
Can any christian explain this ?
Nope.
God does not hear any prayer that is not under the blood of Christ
I have to what ?
Drink the blood of Christ for god to hear me ?
That is sick.
We all know how this is going to play out don't we? Perkins will be able to say that he did in fact visit with a gay family and he still thinks it's wrong. Bets anyone?
Wrong doesn't change. Ho-mo- se -xuality is sin, was always sin and will always be sin. Rev. Perkins did not establish the acts as unnatural, God did. That will not change even IF Rev. Perkins does, and that is as said highly unlikely.
So hitchey, what % of animal species do you think show ho.mo.se.xuality?
Come on Hitchey, answer up, and provide science references. Doubt you can.
Just sayin...
Just Saying... How many animals practice Butt Packing? What is that percentage?
Come on Just Saying..., answer up, and provide science references. Doubt you can.
Leo, that's very offensive, and uncharitable. I thought you pretended to be a Christian ? You DO know, that the statistics show, that an'al intercourse is as common in straight couples, as gay couples.
Leo, I'm waiting for hitchey to answer, like I said. Do you have anything to add, or are you a fundiot?
If you can't provide evidence thats fine... I didn't think you could.
Funny how when you folks can't prove your point you resort to standard school yard name calling...
Leo, when you can ask a question that is worthy of an answer, you might get one.
Your post is nothing more than dreck.
Yep, the old man Carlin knows now...and he ain't cracking jokes!
@buckey ball,
"statistics show, that an'al intercourse is as common in straight couples, as gay couples."
Wouldn't have thought that. What's that based on?
Oh, look, Prissy is pretending to know what happens to others after they die. Call up the National Enquirer, Prissy the Ditz.
Prissy, why don't you take a shot at answering the question I posed to HitchyBit@chy? He seems to have fallen mute.
I find this rather funny........
Leo
Just Saying... How many animals practice Butt Packing? What is that percentage?
Why do you care ?
If its 1%
or 92 %
what does it matter ?
You seem OBSESSED with a/nal intercourse.
I can't even imagine how horrible it will be, being exposed directly to THAT kind of lifestyle.
But then again, Conservative Christians can only do so much damage in one night....
Lol Colin!!!
The qu-eers could find Christ repent of their sins and seek normal relationships.
Hitch, how come your god made so many gay animals?
Hey, Hitchens, could you get it on with someone of your own gender if God demanded you do so?
@ Hitchens
"The qu-eers could find Christ repent of their sins and seek normal relationships."
You might find it is good to get your head out of that bronze age book and read a little....Chris Hitchens.
And for god measure you should also watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_s73rBBJcc
northern light, thanks for the Carlin. Love that video.
RIP, George C. We need more like him.
There are no qu-eer animals. What you are misinterpreting is dominant behavior, not completed acts.
Wow a video of a dead used to be funny sometimes guy. Does he do all your thinking for you?
Read and weep, ignorant Hitch:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.htm
As opposed to you, Hitchey, who can't reason for yourself and who needs a sky fairy blanket to cry into...
Just sayin...
Hitchens, I'm still waiting. If God commanded that you have a relationship with a person of your own gender to whom you weren't attracted, could you do it? Would you?
Why should gays be expected to do what you'd find impossible, you moron?
Yep, the old man Carlin knows now...and he ain't cracking jokes!
Hitchens
Wow a video of a dead used to be funny sometimes guy. Does he do all your thinking for you?
No, but he is right, and you have no sence of humor
Just an obsession for butt.
Tony Perkins' primary concern is the financial health of his "non-profit" which rewards him handsomely for "managing" it.
Yeah, and how much work can that be, too? I mean, it's gotta be pretty easy to take money from people dumb enough to believe the whole Christian talking snakes virgin birth young earth fundiot gambit.
Prayer changes things
Present any proof of that. Seems no one can. Might as well wish upon a star, at least that is what children do. Adults don't expect imaginary creatures to help them.
You are here, prayer proven ! God bless
Prayer changes things
Proven
YOU are here, justlyin'. Prayer fails.
–quote
just sayin
You are here, prayer proven ! God bless
–end quote
–So lame. So funny. Still afraid of hell I see 'just sayin'. Trying so hard to reconcile things with your own death.
The Lord has not given us a spirit of fear. If it was fear it would not be from God. Thanks for your misdirected concern. God bless
@Tom,Tom the Pipers Son
Other than the sinners prayer you have no words that God would listen to at this point in time. God bless
And there it is, the arrogance for which you are justly infamous. Why would you imagine you know diddly about what God hears or doesn't hear?
Thanks for walking right into that one, you sanctimonious old hag.
God pi<ss you mean. Seems that's all he does is pi<ss on humans and threaten them.
Just sayin...
Without a relationship with God your prayers are nothing, that is how it is. Sorry for you Tom. God bless
You have no idea how idiotic you look when you pretend you know anything about God, do you?
Not quite, junior inferior just sayin. Prayers are nothing because there ain't no god and they don't work.
Just sayin...
God has a plan. Quit screwing it up with your prayers.
Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
*** The Lord has not given us a spirit of fear. If it was fear it would not be from God.
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It states very clearly in your book, the book you swear that God wrote,
that if i dont follow the rules laid out in the book,
i am going to h-e-l-l-.
That is using FEAR to keep people in line.
You just contradicted yourself.
Your "book" is full of "fear".
Dont forget lysol
You're such a tool.