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May 30th, 2012
11:42 AM ET
Vatican shows rare public anger over leakBy Richard Allen Greene, CNN (CNN)–The Vatican expressed rare public anger Wednesday in blasting the leaking of private papers from the pope's apartment, a scandal that observers say lifts the lid on a secret power struggle going on behind the closed doors of the Catholic Church. A top Roman Catholic Church official called the theft of the documents "an immoral act of unprecedented gravity" and "despicable abuse of the relationship of trust that exists between Benedict XVI and those who turn to him." Archbishop Angelo Becciu made the remarks to the Vatican's official newspaper six days after the pope's butler was arrested for leaking the papers. Paolo Gabriele, 46, was arrested Wednesday on accusations of illegal possession of confidential documents, the Vatican said in a statement issued three days after the arrest. |
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Prayer changes things
Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
Pucblic anger over paperwork but no public anger over 1000s of molested children?
I see very little use of reason in these comments. Are these extreme comments similar to hatred of the Jews? There is far more abuse in regular day-care and even public schools if you look at the statistics. But rationality is has to be desired to look into it.
"There is far more abuse in regular day-care and even public schools if you look at the statistics"
Yeah, but the difference is that when they catch a teacher in a public school they send them to jail, rather than coverer it up and send them to another parish.
What the catholic church has done is unconscionable.
Hail to the German Shepherd! Do any of you really think it is the humble and unambitious who make it to Rome?
Curious, if things get bad enough in Italy....would a mob storm the Vatican?
Heaven sent us tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, and famines, plus cancers, typhoid, meningitis, lupus, and other horrible diseases that cause horrid suffering and death to millions of people worldwide.
And then he wants to torture you in hell forever if you suspect that he doesn't exist, even given that there is no specific evidence for his existence and that he apparently hasn't shown his face for at least 2000 years if ever.
Wow, god would be quite the azzhole if he existed. Good thing he doesn't exist.
If God does not exist, then here's your alternative. Nature itself gave us AIDS, typhus, tnumanies, etc. Nature is monstrous and you are a product of this. A monstrosity like nature can produce nothing but monstrosities. You certainly didn't learn morality from crude, stupid nature.
To be monstrous, one has to be capable of thought and intent, which nature is not. So that point fails miserably.
Ignoring the obvious advantages of cooperation and kindness and all the other strong secular reasons for behaving decently, I would also counter that you did not learn morality from a God who repeatedly mass-murdered the human race, happily allows evil to prosper and diseases to flourish, demands obedience and punishes non-alligned human decency, approves of slavery if done right, demands death for mouthy teenagers, considers shellfish an abomination, gets mad at fig trees, and runs an eternal concentration-torture camp where even a mediocre human would choose to talk to them and give them a chance to reform.
Ha – perfect reply Catholicengineer. People who bash religion often seek to interfere with that which those people have chosen as a means to happiness. Kinda selfish to interfere with others' happiness in my opinion.
Catholic engineer - you sound like a good catholic and a bad engineer. Nature has given us everything including diseases, oceans, mountains, beautiful sunsets and ourselves.
Morality is a a function of logic. Morality based on religious teachings is hollow. We all know why its bad to kill people, commit adultery, lie, steal, disrespect elders etc – and it has nothing to do with religion (although catholicism may be a good case study of what is morally inferior). If you can't figure out that its bad to kill people without religion telling you so – you might have some more serious problems.
"You certainly didn't learn morality from crude, stupid nature"
A catholic lecturing about morals. That's pretty funny.
You do realize that when you give money to the catholic church, you are effectively paying old men to f uc k little boys.
Agreed with HeavenSent and Stumpy. For an engineer, I'm surprised to see you suggest that belief in a god is justified because the alternative is bad things happen because of science (Nature). Natural disasters DO happen because of science, not for any other reason. Unless you own a fig orchard. As Stumpy pointed out, God F-ING HATES FIG TREES, AND WILL RAIN THE FIRE OF A THOUSAND HELLS UPON YOU...ooo, fig newtons, awesome.
DEATH TO THE CHILD ABUSERS!
Wait...I thought god spoke directly to the pope? Why didn't god whisper to this pope that his butler dude was stealing things?
Apparently this is covered under the "allow bad things to happen because an imaginary ancestor disobeyed" clause. But what isn't?
The whole thing is just seedy. Makes a person need to take a bath. I'm not talking about the Vatican. I'm talking about a US premier stacking the Highest Court in the Land with his favorite justices before the next premier gets in.
What you're talking about is exactly what every U.S. president throughout our country's history has done.
All I know is that I like phony heavensent much better than virgin loser Heavensent!
Me too
This is really funny, criminals charging criminals, but wait a minuet, is exposing criminals a crime even if you have to use unauthorized methods to do it? I hope the Italian government throws this case out with all the other trash.
Men in expensive silly dresses, pointy shoes and hats trying to sell a myth that is long past its stale date. And they wonder why they are in decline.
Look around you, Denise. Look at the fashion magazines. The women all strike poses like they're accident victims, with traumatized facial expressions and haven't eaten in a month. You might also stop at the nearest drug store. You'll find about five rows devoted to womens' vanity requirements.
PrimeNumber,
Well, sure, that's a worthwhile comparison you make, but I think putting religion on par with fashion is actually a disservice to fashion. (And I despise fashion). Religion does, and has done, even more harm than fashion.
I love pointy hats. They cover up my anencephaly. I also like dangly thingys that come down from them. Together, I sit with the ole farts. We look like birds on a wire. Amen.
"an immoral act of unprecedented gravity" and "desp.icable abuse of the relationship of trust that exists between Benedict XVI and those who turn to him."
LOL
That's exactly what the RCC has been doing to children for years.
Yep...they have no integrity. The Pope f 's little boys in the name of God.
If he's angery then just think how the alter boys feel.
Yeah! Expose a litlle boy's you know what, but expose their you know what and then it's off to court we go.
They still don't have running water in that place?
Its not water running off the backs of alter boys.
The RCC continues on its slippery slope to oblivion as do all religions because of their flawed theology and history.
... said the anti-social predator to society.
Preists are the only predators in this story.
The Pope does the work of the Devil and belongs in hell with him.
Amen.
Oh, are you trying to tell me you've met every priest in the world?
Oh, oh, phony heavensent is back to using my handle because I wrote truth to one of his/her posts. LOL. You non-believers are not only immature predators, you're predictable when angered.
P.S. Phony heavensent, I never use the phrase "going to hell or go to hell" because I know hell is going to the eternal flames ... poof, blotted out.
Heaven sent us tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, and famines, plus cancers, typhoid, meningitis, lupus, and other horrible diseases that cause horrid suffering and death to millions of people worldwide.
And then he wants to torture you in hell forever if you suspect that he doesn't exist, even given that there is no specific evidence for his existence and that he apparently hasn't shown his face for at least 2000 years if ever.
Wow, god would be quite the azzhole if he existed. Darn good thing he doesn't exist.
"poph blotted out" is no fun to watch, (and also heresy). "Pooph lotted out" means no need for "eternal" flames.
Prease to turn on brain.
Amen.
I like having s ex with nuns on buttered waterbeds.
Is this the kettle calling the pot black, or what?
This is the top criminal gangleader getting angry and scared because one of his henchmen stole evidence of some crimes that some of them did.
He wouldn't be this angry if there weren't criminal secrets being leaked.
So it's kind of like a kettle/pot scenario, but you'd have to assume that the butler was just as bad as the Pope without really knowing. Stealing from a criminal like the Pope is not a crime in my book. I just wish he had taken more stuff and given it to Interpol or SNAP or the World Court.
It would be quite fitting to throw some diapers on the Pope and Priests and string them up on crosses. Give them something to really pray about. Now I would drink to that.