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May 31st, 2012
05:17 AM ET
Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral onlineBy Richard Allen Greene and Dan Gilgoff, CNN First it was a Christian pastor in North Carolina who told his congregation on Mother's Day that the way "to get rid of all the lesbians and queers" was to put them behind an electric fence and wait for them to die out. That video went viral, fetching more than a million views on YouTube. On Sunday, Pastor Curtis Knapp of Kansas preached that the government should kill homosexuals, in another videotaped sermon that drew lots of online attention. "They won't, but they should," Knapp said, according to a recording of his sermon posted online. Since that sermon, another church video with harsh words for gays has caught fire online. This one shows a young boy singing an anti-gay song while the congregation cheers him on in what appears to be a church in Indiana. "I know the Bible’s right, somebody’s wrong,” the boy sings near the pulpit of a church. “Ain't no homos gonna make it to heaven." As the boy repeats the line “Ain't no homos gonna make it to heaven," congregants from the pews rise and cheer. The video, which was anonymously posted online and has received more than 300,000 views on YouTube, appears to show a service at the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle Church in Greensburg, Indiana. Calls to the church this week went to voicemail, with an automatic message saying the mailbox is full. But a message posted on the church’s website on Wednesday appears to address the controversy, offering no apology for the video. “The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason. We believe and hope that every person can find true Bible salvation and the mercy and grace of God in their lives,” the statement says. “We are a strong advocate of the family unit according to the teachings and precepts found in the Holy Bible,” said the statement, which did not explicitly refer to the video or mention homosexuality. “We believe the Holy Bible is the Divinely-inspired Word of God and we will continue to uphold and preach that which is found in scripture.” The viral videos have drawn criticism from gay and lesbian groups and their allies. Charles Worley’s sermon at Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, North Carolina, sparked a protest that drew more than 1,500 people last weekend. In Kansas, Knapp's voicemail at the New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca was filled with messages saying "things you don't want your kids to hear," he told CNN affiliate KTKA. An official with the Kansas-Nebraska Convention of Southern Baptists issued a statement to CNN on Thursday saying that Knapp’s church had left the Southern Baptist fold in 2010. “Obviously, he has taken a radical and unbiblical stand in regards to homosexuality,” said Tim Boyd, communications director for the convention. “We look at homosexuals as we look at all sinners,” his statement said. “God loves them. Christ died for them. The Gospel calls them to repentance and salvation. Therefore, we as Christ-followers should hate the sin and love the sinner.” But Knapp is not backing away from his comments. "We punish pedophilia. We punish incest. We punish polygamy and various things. It's only homosexuality that is lifted out as an exemption," he said. He cited the Biblical verse Leviticus 20:13: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act. They shall surely be put to death." But he said gay people had nothing to worry about from the government or from him. "I don't believe I should lay a finger against them," said Knapp, of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas. "My hope is for their salvation, not for their death." Preaching against homosexuality the same day, another pastor appeared to wrestle with how conservative Christians should respond to proposals that people should literally mete out biblical punishments. "What about this guy down in North Carolina said build a big prison, a big fence and put them all in there and let them die out?" Dennis Leatherman asked in a sermon at the Mountain Lake Independent Baptist Church in Maryland. "Listen, I don't know that fellow. As far as I can tell, he seems like a decent guy, but he is dead wrong on that. That is not the scriptural response," Leatherman said in his sermon "Homosexuality & the Bible," according to a cached version of the transcript posted online. The audio of the sermon does not appear on his church's website. In the sermon, he floats the idea of killing homosexuals, whom he refers to as sodomites, then backs away from it. "There is a danger of reacting in the flesh, of responding not in a scriptural, spiritual way, but in a fleshly way. Kill them all. Right? I will be very honest with you. My flesh kind of likes that idea," Leatherman said. "But it grieves the Holy Spirit. It violates Scripture. It is wrong," he added immediately. The Southern Baptist Convention distanced itself from Worley's remarks. The nation's largest Baptist group said Providence Road Baptist in Maiden is not affiliated with its 16 million-member denomination and condemned the comments. But the influential head of the giant movement's seminary does argue that homosexuality "is the most pressing moral question of our times." In a comment piece for the Belief Blog in the wake of Worley's sermon, R. Albert Mohler Jr. dismissed critics who say conservative Christians focus on homosexuality while ignoring other things the Bible prohibits. He contends that laws about keeping kosher, for example, do not apply to Christians, while commandments about homosexuality do. "When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible's teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel," he wrote. "Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality," he said. A member of Worley's 300-member church defended him in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper. "Of course he would never want that to be done," Stacey Pritchard said of the proposal to put homosexuals behind a fence and leave them there to die out. "But I agree with what the sermon was and what it was about." 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I was looking at his church, where's the swastika? But then I did remember that Hitler was a Lutheran and as we all know Christians love people to death mainly by either shooting them in the head or putting them in ovens. Typical Christians.!Glad I’m not one of them
Thou shall not commit adultry
Thou shall not use gods name in vein
Thou shall not steal
Thou shall not covet thy neighbor
4 commandments that were apparently more important to god than "thou shall not molest children"!!!
Why would god be more concerned with stealing, or using his name in vein, then he would be for the safety of children?
is it because the religious leaders back then, just as the religious leaders of today think it's okay to molest children?
these religions are disgusting, perverted, murderous, and have more blood on their hands throughout history than any other organization!
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
SHUT THEM DOWN!!!
Even more ridiculous relative to not protecting children are,
Thou shall have no other God's before me,
Thou shall make no graven images.
Really, that's more important than protecting children!
ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS OF THIS BLOG:
o "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.
1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.
As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.
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"Abrahamic" religions dont believe that god made "gay people". They believe that god made all people and that gay people are deviants, who choose to be gay.
And civil unions and marriages are not the same or even afforded "all" of the same rights (especially on a federal level). Furthermore there are no diseases, divorce, or family interactions that are exclusive to gay or straight couples. So what does any cen*sus data collection have to do with it?
"Study: Children of Lesbians May Do Better Than Their Peers"
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1994480,00.html#ixzz1wXYho56F
And one more time:
1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”
According to Professor John Crossan of Biblical Studies at DePaul University the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (274-337 CE), who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.
The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.
While your correct for the chrsaitian bible the jewish bible was a contrated for story book for jewish children of the city of alexandria. it was a collection of oral and written tales form the area that the people who wrote it hoped would teach morals to jewish children.as the pagans that lived around them did not have theytype that the first century jews would have aproved of.
Here's a Bible teaching that is not good for children, especially sons, nor for their parents, is found at Deuteronomy 21:18-21 which commands, "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." There are other Biblical verses which call for the killing of children who curse their mother or father such as Exodus 21:17 among others.
Doesn't sound like any story I want to share with my children!
And yes thats from the old testament.
My point being... That no "holy book". Is a good book! Or a true book! Or a book that is the "word of god"! They are all the word of "MEN"!!!
People pray for ho-mos-exuals that they turn from their wicked ways before it is too late.
Right evangelical!
what we should be praying for is that you religious nuts, get an education and learn to comprehend reality! You're so religious I'd like to ask you what 10 commandments do you believe in?
Whoever is praying for all those tornados in the buckle of the bible belt, please stop.
Lmao @elmer!
. I literally laughed out loud! Thats hilarious! 😀
wander in front of a speeding bus
what's funny is that if these things were said about any other minority, something would have been done about it. extremist/Terrorist are in every religion. Yet they all believe their own craziness is the right way, and the only right way!
at some point you would think they would ask themselves why???
Why did we think it was gods way to kill Jews?
Why did we think it was gods way to kill Christians?
Why did we think it was gods way to kill black people?
And why now do we think it's gods way to kill gays?
Most people that want to tell everyone how religious they are, are usually the most evil minded people on the planet. Then try to use religions to hide their less than humane demeanor!
Every religious person I have ever met has been a hypocrite. Seems like more religious = more lies and deceit. It gives the truely evil a way out of their lies and cheating.
When are you stupid Americans going to stop hiding behind your outdated 1st amendment of free speech and join the rest of the civilized world and ban such hate speech. Here in Britan and in Canada we have laws banning such speech that could land you in court or possibly jail. American Atheists are pathetic and weak, when are you going to wake up and take over your stupid country and stop those crazy worthless christian pigs!!
Fedup doesn't want to have a real discussion on the issue. He just want to periodically shout absurdities to others.
@fedup
You say you understand what im saying. But I dont think you try to understand anything. You're used to being told something to believe. Then you believe it whether it has merit or not! And to me thats not logical or sane. Sorry!
@fedup
Just because we were brought up to believe the Bible, Torah or Koran is "the word of God" does not mean any of these books actually really are "the word of God." When we objectively examine these purported "holy books", applying our God-given reason to them, we see they all fall far short of any type of true meaningful morality. Slavery is one glaring example of a lack of morals in all three of these man-made books which are falsely alleged to be of divine origins
Hmmm, what will the willingly blind apologist comments be?
I understand what you are saying. But I also know that there is ONLY ONE God, and ONLY ONE truth. That makes all others FALSE. God sent Jesus Christ His son to declare Him and explain Him. Jesus said that when He returns to the Father, He will send another comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, ane the Counselor. He is the One who leads those who seek God into all truth. WIthout Him man can not know God.
That's why I know that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It is not just the words ' black on white', or some man's indoctrination, as you people as-sume! it's the Spirit of God who reveals the truth to those who seek Him ***with their whole hearts***. That's the condition, and God will not compromise.
Those who say they are searching but never finding, they need to look for reason WHY they don't find -within themselves! That's the real heart of the matter!
@fedup
I used to be a devout Christian, and, as such, I was convinced that every assertion in the Bible was somehow true. It might not be literally true, but it was at least figuratively or allegorically true. Then I came to the conclusion that the Bible is a very flawed book with many contradictions, factual errors, and evil moral teachings. Inside the cover of one of my Bibles, I started recording Bible verses which seemed to me obviously false and/or evil. I did this to embrace the truth and free my mind from the childish trust I had in the Bible. In other words, I wanted to completely break the spell that kept me from thinking honestly and freely.
@FedUP!,
Very funny (funny as in curious) thing about the believers of different religions. They also state that that they know there is one and only one god (their god) and, just like you, they say that makes all others false.
The bible is full of inaccuracies and contradictions! Anyone who really reads it, understands its bogus hocus pocus!
Religious maybe but never a christian were you.
@truth
again youre claiming to know something without having any facts or evidence on the matter! Just admit that youre a quack already.
truth,
You have to be mentally challenged! you got your tin foil hat on?
Factors, you obviously know so much, I'm just an ignorant little simpleton. Why should I try to have any discussion with someone so superior then I am? You say, you have been where I am now, and you got enlightened... So, why should I drag someone who got so liberated, back into a little simpleton's groundhog hole? That would be pushing my beliefs on you, and showing them down your throat, right?! LOL!
Anyhow, I've said all I needed to say.... But I've got to go to bed, I do work for a living, ya know!
🙂
@fedup!
Come on now!! you work? I highly doubt. Now if you said you have to get up early to collect cans because your house has a flat tire then I would believe it. But there is no-one in their right mind that would hire you to work for them, except for maybe a church! For you are the perfect model of crazy they seek out! But we all know you just sit in your living room thats filled with the finest patio furniture, and beer can wind chimes and wait to collect your crazy check that us tax payers pay for! And for that you are blessed!
@F-O-S
Yep, you've got yourself the right name, deary! You ARE full of s–t!
And you are the perfect specimen representing your kind..........!LOL!
Good smelly morning to ya! 😉
There are still people who ask what is wrong with religion.
Christians make the Nazis look like Girl Scouts. You christians...how's it feel to be Nazis?
Its not just the Christians.. Its all of 'em.
The torah, Koran, and the holy bible, all tell the story of Abraham, however If Abraham was alive today and told anyone that God told him to kill his son in a sac*rifice to God, he would be put in a mental inst*itution and his son would be taken into protective custody.
@Theistville Dog,
Theistville Dog stated,
"Theistville Dog
I'm sorry Tom. I just got out of the shower. That reminds me, "Have you taken one lately? Your words resonate with filth! You still have time to make it to the shower befoe you rot from the smelliness of your words! Have a nice showe. I will no longer answer any more of your posts"
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Oh your comment is so logical, so intelligent, so well thought out, NOT!
Using name calling, innuendo, and abusive comments, ahhh the technicques of the disinformationalist who has viable, logical, well reasoned thing to say.
Theistville Dog, you should be carefull, your intelligence (lack of) is showing!
Ooops,
should be ... no viable...
Theistvill, you never had any answers. So what's your point? That you'll stop responding with drivels? To that I say GREAT!
For and then Jesus said....
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Matthew 7:21-23
So all the gay haters will be burned in hell....
Religion is fake. ALL religion is fake. Until all religious imbeciles realise this, there will be murder over paper. And they wonder why the world is going to crap? Look at religion. God and Muhammad = Easter Bunny and Santa but on testosterone and steroids. Why can't people just get that instead of continuing the brainwashing? The bible and quran are great fictional books. Read them, fine. Don't think anything man has written is the word of some god, though. We should put all that religious energy into helping each other and saving what is left of the once beautiful Earth.
"Soylent Green...Is...People!"
If you don't get the reference, rent the movie. It's old as heck, but relevent. Seriously.
Does what Worley and Knapp say sound familiar? It should!
Check out the following,
http://calpol25.hubpages.com/hub/Ho m os exuals-The-Forgotten-Victims-Of-The-Nazis
http://www.holocaust-trc.org/ho mosx.htm
http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/people/victims.htm
Obvious note, obvious to most anyway, delete the spaces then paste the link in your browser to find out how similar these religious people are to people like Heinrich Himmler in 1930's Germany
Great article. .
@Factors!,
Thanks for checking. More people should.
@theisvill
If you read Mein Kampf Hitler believed that eliminating the jews was worked tasked to him by God.
Hitler believed firmly that he was doing God's work. So much so that he had "Gott Mitt Uns" inscribed on the Nazi's belt buckle which translates to God is with Us.
That is exactly right.
Also see the links immediately above.
Dory the Dog thinks I'm God. In her world it's true. I am merely human and may die tomorrow, but she believes, therefore in her (not so bright) world, it's true. I am GOD! Oh....I have morals, too. tyvm.
Kristine, I am so glad your dog worships you. My cats think it's the other way around...
@Tom Tom: My 2 black cats worship me also. Until they are fed. Little bastages. 🙂 Anyway, nn. Peace to all. and to all a life without lies.
Back atcha, Kristine. Have a restful night.
The New Revival Church of Hatred and Ignorance, pastor Curtis Knapp presiding.
All rise.
The 1st commandment....
THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!
Except when I (the preacher) give the ok.
The bible says to kill gays.
But the bible says only those without sin can cast the 1st stone.
But the bible says we are all sinners, so no one can do the killing.
But the bible says to kill the gays.....
OOO, you obviously don't understand.... God is the One who will execute the judgment.... He has already pronounced His sentence on all who rebel against His commandments. And whosoever is found without Christ, will be thrusted into the lake of fire where their worm will NEVER DIE. This is the Word of the Lord with whom we all have to do!
"Thrusted"?
I love it when high school dropouts post.
@FedUp
Loser.
Can't stand you idiots who can't even produce one decent god to send anybody to hell. I do hope you go to your own personal hell for utter stupidity.
Hey christians,
You know how you always capitalize "His" and "He" when you're talking about your invisible friend?
Like this invisible friend is so big and scary and awesome you're too scared to use a lower case letter?
Like it's supposed to impress everybody?
It doesn't impress anybody with a properly-working brain.
In fact, it's pathetic.
Grow up, cowards.
You will die and it's ok that there's no cotton candy amusement park in the sky afterwards, where you'll walk hand-in-hand with baby jesus and ride the holy ferris wheel with daddy yahweh.
It's ok.
Really.
Lol @lol
. Not a lot of people know of god as Yahweh!
Im glad im in the company of someone in the know!! 😀
How do these morons even come up with a name of Yahweh anyways?
Why isn't god's name 'Steve'? If these zealots were to really question this one aspect of attaching a name to some divine being that word simply would mean 'divine' or 'being' or 'unknown'. Primitive minds can't even understand the creations they have created in their own minds and here we are in the modern age and these nuts still carry no clue on how to even associate the 'why' of giving a name onto their magical friends.
The answer is – you are just a sad and lonely delusional being who wants company.