May 31st, 2012
12:12 PM ET

Top U.S. archbishop linked to abusive priest payout plan

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - One of the most powerful Catholic Church leaders in America approved payments of $20,000 to get abusive priests to leave the church, abuse victims and the archdiocese in question said Thursday.

Victims feel "considerable dismay" that leaders of the church in Milwaukee "have been apparently engaged in paying off those who betrayed the children of our archdiocese," they said in an open letter to the current head of the church in Milwaukee, Archbishop Jerome Listecki.

But the case could reverberate far beyond the borders of the Midwestern city.

Timothy Dolan, who was archbishop of Milwaukee at the time, is now archbishop of New York, head of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and a cardinal.

Notes from a meeting he attended in Wisconsin in 2003 show a "proposal" to offer $20,000 to "currently unassignable priests."

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Former Catholic priest Patrick Wall, who now helps abuse victims sue the Catholic Church, said that term meant only one thing in his experience.

"Unassignable priests are those clerics whom the bishop cannot place in a parish because he has a serious moral impediment," he said. "In my 20 years' experience, the only impediment the term 'unassignables' referred to was a credible accusation of childhood sexual abuse."

The minutes of the finance council meeting emerged as part of Archdiocese of Milwaukee bankruptcy proceedings, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said Wednesday.

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The archdiocese filed for bankruptcy protection last year in the face of lawsuits from people who said they had been abused by its priests.

On Thursday, the archdiocese confirmed that it had offered payoffs to abusive priests as "the most expedient and cost-effective way to have offenders laicized or removed from the priesthood."

Having an abuser volunteer to go through the process known as laicization - formally leaving the priesthood - "was faster and less expensive. It made sense to try and move these men out of the priesthood as quickly as possible," the archdiocese said in a statement.

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"Like it or not, the archdiocese is canonically responsible for the financial care of a priest - even a priest who has committed such a horrible crime and sin such as clergy sexual abuse of a minor," the statement said.

Joe Zwilling, a spokesman for Dolan in New York, told CNN on Thursday that he had "no comment at this time," adding: "I don't expect to have a comment later. I was not in Milwaukee. I don't know the background of what happened there."

He denied having seen a New York Times report about the allegations.

Dolan was not scheduled to make public appearances Thursday.

One Catholic church source defended the payment plan on Thursday, saying, “You either pay them to leave and give them money for food and clothes and shelter as they look for a job or you have a drawn out trial that could take years.”

“Wouldn’t that be preferable than to keep them as priests and paying their salaries,” the source, who would agree to speak only anonymously. “And wouldn’t it be better than a trial and to have victims testifying and cross examined?”

CNN Belief Blog co-editor Eric Marrapodi and CNN's Chris Kokenes and Marie Malzberg and Adam Reiss contributed to this report.

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  1. tony

    The end of religion is nigh. Soon all churches will be Taco Bells.

    May 31, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • ME II

      Truly the end of the world!
      The eternal Gordita!

      May 31, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • bam

      priests feasting on boi juice has been going on for thousands of years..... admitting it hasnt started yet.

      May 31, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • billywingartenson

      churches should be turned into sewer plants – to help clean up all the crap they have created

      June 3, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • billywingartenson

      heres the money, shut up or else our mafia friend will do the job for us.

      Just another example of how the catholic church got renamed the "church of the endless hidden molestation of children – world wide.

      June 3, 2012 at 1:32 am |
  2. Solex

    What is really astonishing is that people think all of these transgression by the catholic church is some recent and anomalous behavior. Folks, the catholic church has been doing this for almost two thousand years. Popes had concubines, would make their teenage illegitimate children Cardinals, sell passes to heaven, etc.

    The catholic church will not survive into the next century if it does not cease its behavior, and that's not likely.

    May 31, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Solaris

      Where did you get the impression that we didn't know about the long ugly history of Catholicism?

      Based on your own point of centuries of misbehavior, why do you think that Catholicism will die off in this particular century? I would love it if you were right, but religion is like torture – it just won't go away, no matter how repugnant it is. My guess is that there is some congenital flaw in the human race, that collectively the human race is just not smart enough yet.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • bam

      200? more like 2000. it aint new son.

      May 31, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  3. just sayin

    Interesting...Catholics are deathly silent on the blogs these days.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • bam

      odd part is this is a hom ose xual act which according to the "bible" apparently is a NO NO... yet it is rampant.
      other odd part is this is illegal in all countries feasting on underage bois... yet how many have been arrested over 2000 years for it?

      May 31, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  4. whoCares

    If there was a god he would strike down these sickos for what they have done. They need to put all these sickos in jail so they can have a boyfriend roommate.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Pope and Catholic Church is evidence that there is no God

      May 31, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  5. Sunny

    “Wouldn’t that be preferable than to keep them as priests and paying their salaries,”
    WHAT? What happened to reporting their crimes and putting the sickos in jail!!! Why does that NEVER seem an option to these people. Isn't the church supposed to follow the law too?? 'Give Ceasar what Ceasar is due?'

    May 31, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • MarylandBill

      This is not the 1980s and early 1990s. I suspect that the credible accusations were made by people who either didn't want the crimes reported to the police or it was after the statute of limitations had expired. By the late 1990s and early 2000s, I doubt there were too many who would report abuse to the Church who wouldn't also have reported it to the the police if they wanted the priests prosecuted.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  6. izandroro

    Dolan picks and chooses what he takes from Christ.....gluttony is a sin and yet you continue being a pig.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  7. derp

    Just remember, any time you contribute money to the catholic church, you are paying old men to f uc k little boys.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • just sayin

      Bingo...as well as support illegal activities and dishonesty. Catholic supporters are equally disgusting as the Pope and Bishops like this.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  8. just sayin

    How people can still support and call themselves catholics is beyond me.. Any catholics remainign clearly support this type of activity. The Pope on down to the followers are simply turds with no integrity. The day the Vatican is sacked and the Pope strung up on a cross will be a great day.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      You do know that the incidence of child abuse is lower in the Catholic church than in Protestant denominations and less than half what it is in the general population right? So why is the Church the target of all the hatred over these admittedly heinous acts?

      May 31, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • JoeP199

      To Bill Deacon: What is the source of your information?

      May 31, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • derp

      You do know that the incidence of child abuse is lower in the Catholic church than in Protestant denominations and less than half what it is in the general population right? So why is the Church the target of all the hatred over these admittedly heinous acts?

      Because they have systematically protected the abusers, which has led to further abuse. If the funny hat sporting d ic kheads had bothered to turn even ONE priest over to the cops, I might have shred of respect for them.

      May 31, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  9. brian

    Has there been a day gone by in the last ten or so years without a story or scandal about the catholic church? For crying out loud it's like they cannot stay out of trouble. For something that is supposed to be holy and good and moral they sure seem quite the opposite. They don't practice what they preach. The catholic organization is nothing more than a mafia hellbent on controlling the rest of the world. It is even structured like a mafia. Want to watch something that gives more insight to a specific case watch "twist of faith". Since 1950 there have been 11,750 cases of child abuse by 5,148 different catholic priests in the u.s. alone. Attempt to wrap your head around that.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • just sayin

      Internet is a powerful tool that even the Catholics cannot escape.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
  10. New Gawker

    Any yet they waste time going after gay people and women's rights. disgusting.

    May 31, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  11. Hunter S. Thompson's Gazelle

    Is it still called "hush money"?

    May 31, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  12. Just Claims, No Truth

    “And wouldn’t it be better than a trial and to have victims testifying and cross examined?”


    No, it would be better if criminal's were held responsible, identified and hopefully prevented from re-offending. You sir are an asshat for worrying more about your precious church than about the further abuse of children.

    May 31, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  13. Huebert

    I have a solution for the RCC that would allow them to be "responsible for the financial care of a priest " and not betray their parishioners. Immediately suspend, with pay, all "unas.signable" priest, and then inform the local police that the priest in question has been accused of child abuse. Problem solved, canonical responsibility is fulfilled, innocent children are protected. WHY THE HELL IS THIS NOT THEIR STANDARD PRACTICE?!?!?

    May 31, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      How about we take all Catholic Priests who abuse children and put them behind an electric fence? Or the government could just kill them. "They won't, but they should."

      May 31, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Huebert

      In a perfect world.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  14. Debbie

    This is not who Christ built his Church upon. This is pure evil disguising itself as good and of God. I pray for the souls who continue to follow this evil and are deceived and burdened by being attached to something they've known all their lives. I believe in my heart there are zillions of Catholics who are good people who walk in the light, but there is little doubt the RCC is an organization that is evil and doing evils work.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Kevin

      Agree the RCC has some serious problems with these scandals. Handled horribly and disgustingly.

      But to call it blanket evil...when in as biggest contrast to your statement as possible no organization performs more good charity than the RCC/Cath Charities, then you are not paying attention.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Death to the Pope

      Kevin, our government is just one of many organizations that helps more people in one day than your disgusting RCC could ever hope to match.
      Federal and State dollars go out to help millions of people without requiring they listen to brainwashing before getting assistance.
      Your RCC uses corruption to steal money from the American people and then turns around after spending most of that on themselves and gives out a pittance to help a few members of their own religion.

      You make a lot of noise but it sounds more like a fart than a good argument. The RCC has no authority here. Go to the Vatican and see if they will let you in with your lies. You have no god, no absolute morals as we can see, and no authority that is not subject to our national laws and international law. This is one of the proofs that your god does not exist.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • derp

      "no organization performs more good charity than the RCC/Cath Charities, then you are not paying attention"

      I've never heard child molestation referred to as good charity. That's a new one.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • just sayin

      Time for Catholics to stop supporting the Catholic Church and walk away. Their Christ and leaders are evil.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
  15. Rev. Rick

    Quoting from the article, "Like it or not, the archdiocese is canonically responsible for the financial care of a priest – even a priest who has committed such a horrible crime and sin such as clergy se-xual abuse of a minor."
    What about the church's responsibility to it's followers, and especially to those who have been abused by it's leaders. This sounds like "hush money" to me. The RCC is unraveling both from within and from without – Power stuggles and corruption within the Vatican, nuns being challenged by the church for their "feminist" views, archbishops and priest finally being held accountable for their immoral and illegal abuse of parishioners. As a former Catholic, I am troubled by the RCC's demise, but nothing lasts for long without being cleansed in one way or another.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  16. kevin, illinois

    i guess this lessens his chances of becoming pope. to hear people speak, he's already campaigning , oops i meant being groomed for the job

    May 31, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • OnlyOne

      Yes, one more in the hierarchy with an abundance of ambition and barely a whit of integrity.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  17. Kevin

    You people realize that those who abuse children are not acting in the name of Catholicism, right? People that are devious and sick enough to abuse kids also are devious and sick enough to devote their lives to camoflauging their lives and gain access to these situations where they can commit these abuses.

    Yes, the RCC has a rotten history with dealing these scandals, but how does it affect the merits of its tenets? Oh, that's right...it doesn't. So you can blame the administration, but not the core beliefs as a result of the scandals. Unless you want to play the associative game (US has dropped bombs that kill civilians...what does that say about the beliefs of the US and the character of its people? See?)

    May 31, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Diogenes Dan

      Kevin, a great many of those ped-priests used their religion as a weapon against those children.
      From telling the victim "God wants this"... to using their "authority" as priests... to using church resources...and to the Pope himself who shields these priests under the "umbrella" of the RCC....you are wrong in your defense of these priests who betrayed the most sacred trust anyone could ever pretend to have on this earth – the "authority" they abused was abused because they have no actual authority from any god but only pretend they do.

      As to bombing civilians, this is a topic we could discuss also. It is our badly managed and corrupt government that did these things, not the people, just as it is the priests and the whole RCC organization that did these things to the children and not the people going to church...although there will be the occasional exception even to this.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Xon

      >> (US has dropped bombs that kill civilians...what does that say about the beliefs of the US and the character of its people? See?)

      unlike the US, the RCC claims to hold authority from, and to be invested with temporal power by, a god.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Kevin

      Right, and the 1% of priests (or whatever number it is, it doesn't matter) who've committed such awful abuses did so at their own discretion. You can't be more twisted than those sickos. The RCC should have done more unquestionably to follow up and dismiss priests, but frankly, they were fooled by many of these deviants as well.

      The administration, not the beliefs, merits nor even communicants of the religion, are to blame for the cover up. I just think all these educated, everything-is-a-conspiracy, I'm-progressive-because-I-don't-believe-in-God-which-makes-me appear-to-be-a-critical-thinker-ipso-facto types tend to improperly blend the two.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Rev. Rick

      @ Kevin said: "You people realize that those who abuse children are not acting in the name of Catholicism, right?"
      Actually Kevin, that's exactly what they are doing. As a former Catholic myself, I understand where you are going with your reasoning, it fails. Why? Because the Pope is supposed to be Christ's vicar on earth, and while the Pope is Christ's representative, so equally are the archbishops, bishops and priests. All of them are representatives of, and acting in the name of Catholicism, whether that representation is good, or in this case, very bad. If this type of cover-up were only isolated to a few incidents, that would be one thing, but when the Church heirarchy stoops to hiding and even paying off the perpetrators, you have to question not only the morals of the the offenders, but also the tenets to which they no longer hold even themselves accountable.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Death to the Pope

      Kevin, show me one passage in the bible that speaks against child abuse. Just one. You can't. So I guess child abuse isn't against your religion, is it? And in the vacuum where no prohibition is found, a great many people take that to mean that it is allowed after all.
      Religion does not even have to make sense, as we see so often. The rules can be ignored or fabricated at any point by anyone – this is another proof your god does not exist. If there was a god behind the bible, such things would be impossible.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • OnlyOne

      Kevin, as a Catholic myself let me just say – our tenets are of no value when our leaders have no moral authority – thanks to their incredible hypocrisy and grandstanding on issues of little consequence, while trying to brush their own grave moral failing under the carpet. Remember the words of St.Francis – "Preach the Gospel at all times, and if necessary, use words". These abject hypocrites believe their words alone carry weight with those that aren't part of the faithful – little understanding that their idle pontification is viewed as little more than laughable outside their parish circles.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • ME II

      Aren't part of the "tenets" of the RCC based on "tradition," as opposed to scripture. Those traditions are to blame for continued abuses by accused priests that were shuffled around to avoid harming the church's image.
      I think, that is why the RCC is being condemned by so many.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • JoeP199

      And the RCC's "rotten history" of dealing with these scandals is what this whole thread is about. Meandering off topic is just an attempt to divert people's attention.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Kevin, I support what you are saying. Further I would say that instead of people crying out for the end of the Church, more people should be flocking to the Church to strengthen the flock and get rid of these criminals who have betrayed us all and injured so many of our children. If we let the Church fall because of these events, the enemy will have won and all the good that the Church aspires to will be undone

      May 31, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • derp

      "more people should be flocking to the Church to strengthen the flock and get rid of these criminals who have betrayed us all and injured so many of our children"

      Exactly how do you propose to get rid of the pope and the college of cardinals?

      May 31, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
  18. JoeP199

    One more reason to mistrust anything Dolan says regarding morality.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
  19. Reality

    One more nali in RCC's coffin as noted below:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Reality

      Oops, make that "One more nail in RCC's coffin".

      May 31, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Yes, it's a shame your all going to fry.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Kevin

      And exactly what are the flaws, follies, etc. in the foundations of the major religions? The unselfish part? The love your neighbor part? The peaceful part?

      Religious organizations do the bulk of charity work around the country, even the world. Catholic Charities is the biggest supporter and provider for the poor besides the federal government in the United States. So, yeah, you probably hate that part too.

      Do you also hate how religions and sharing experiences with others as a social network make a lot of people happy?

      May 31, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      At least you are honestly admitting that your goal is not the punishment of the criminals but the demise of the Church. You cannot deny that the Church is responsible for a great many good works (at least and remain honest). So with the Church gone, so go the good works and the pedos will simply move to the next convenient venue for their crimes.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Reality

      The flaws, follies and frauds of the major religions:


      Only for the those interested in a religious update:
      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      May 31, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
  20. HeavenSent

    The other post is blogged down with nonsense ..

    I gather no one on this blog has any functioning gray matter left to have listened to Pastor Knapps video until completion, yet, you'll post your babble not knowing what you do.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Obvious

      You really are incredibly stupid.

      May 31, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • just sayin

      HeavenSent is the most arrogant ignorant person I have met. Her arrogance surpasses her ignorance in leaps and bounds and she has in fact created her own false reality around her. She seriously has a misconception of herself.

      I am guessing it is linked to a mental illness of some kind.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Maybe so just saying but answer the question. Have you listened to the sermon are are you content denigrating someone who asked you to investigate the facts?

      May 31, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
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