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June 4th, 2012
12:00 PM ET

Utah gay pride parade draws hundreds of Mormon participants

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A gay pride parade in Mormon-heavy Salt Lake City drew thousands of participants, including a few hundred Mormons, whose church has been criticized by gay rights activists for its activism against same-sex marriage.

The Mormon contingent for Sunday's parade wasn’t made up of gay members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but rather straight Mormons who want to show support for gay and lesbians, according to CNN affiliate KSTU-TV in Salt Lake City.

The Mormon group marched near the front of the parade, just behind the event's grand marshal, Dustin Lance Black, the Academy Award-winning screenwriter ("Milk") who grew up in the church, according to KSTU.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that sex is only acceptable within heterosexual marriage. The church played a major role in passing California’s 2008 ban on same-sex marriage, known as Proposition 8.

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Since then, the church has been subtly softening its posture toward gays and lesbians, appointing an openly gay Mormon to an official role in the church in San Francisco. Individual Mormon bishops have addressed recent meetings of gay and lesbian groups.

“I have a friend who asked me ... why I wasn’t at church today and I said, ‘I’m going to the gay pride parade,’ ” said one Mormon who marched in Sunday’s parade, according to KSTU.

"'He said, ‘Don’t Mormons hate gay people?’ ” the marcher continued. “I said, ‘Some do, but I don’t.’”

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The Mormon group that marched in Salt Lake City was organized by Mormons Building Bridges, a group of lay Mormons who want to show support for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community. The group is promoting Mormon participation in gay pride parades across the country this year.

“This Church has felt the bitter sting of persecution and marginalization early in our history,” the group says on its Facebook page. “Our parents, young adults, teens and children should therefore, of all people, be especially sensitive to the vulnerable in society and be willing to speak out against bullying or intimidation whenever it occurs, including unkindness toward those who are attracted to others of the same sex.

“... Each Latter-day Saint family and individual should carefully consider whether their attitudes and actions toward others properly reflect Jesus Christ’s second great commandment - to love one another."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Homosexuality • Mormonism • Utah

soundoff (309 Responses)
  1. Keith

    It looks like America is in end times prophecy after all:
    Isa 5:18 ¶ Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
    i.e. g^y pride parade. This nation is done for. It's time to duck and cover.

    June 4, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Yawn, Christians have been spewing that nonsense for years and NADA! Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • sam stone

      why wait, keith? get a head start and go to jesus....do you have a sidearm?

      June 4, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      apparently, the messiah go caught in traffic

      June 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • sam stone

      petty punks worship a petty punk god. keith is a prime example

      June 4, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Keith

      sam stone, Are you familiar with Elijah and 450 prophets of Baal? Elijah called them out and mocked them and their false god. It almost sounds like you're doing the same? Be careful what you wish for...He's not coming back as a sacrificial lamb this time-He will be the Lion of Judah:
      Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

      Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
      You don't have much of a future unless you repent.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Mark D.

      Move to Iran, idiot.

      June 4, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
  2. J.W

    I am sure that if there were people that were openly gay when Jesus was around then Jesus loved them very much.

    June 4, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      Intimately, perhaps? A guy wanders around and lives with twelve dudes... very suspect... my gaydar is pinging...

      June 4, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Charles Emerson Winchester III

      LOL
      Yeah, I bet he loved them long time! LOL

      June 4, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • J.W

      No not like that. It would be impossible for him to love gay women like that.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • J.W

      But he did love them long time, and always will.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      JW, Jesus sent fire and brimstones upon them and they are frying to this day. Read His truth (the Bible) to comprehend the consequences. All the nonsense you spew are satan's lies.

      You can start with these scriptures of His truth: 2 Peter 2:1-22

      June 4, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "JW, Jesus sent fire and brimstones upon them and they are frying to this day. Read His truth (the Bible) to comprehend the consequences. All the nonsense you spew are satan's lies."

      That's the lies you have to tell yourself since you've been proven wrong in your unfounded prejudice and bigotry towards gays.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • p1965wi

      Yeah their souls and no not their sins.

      June 5, 2012 at 7:37 am |
  3. Jah Wobble

    Well, at least there are a few hundred Mormons who had a gay family member and realized that gays are humans. It's a shame that there aren't a lot more, but ideologies like religion get between people and their humanity.

    June 4, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      So what? They're still going to fry no matter what family they came from. Humans can't prevent Jesus from unleashing His wrath upon those that reject His truth.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @HeavenSent

      Your complete lack of compassion and morality is quite evident in your post.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  4. lantz

    A rare event – religious people actually loving their neighbors regardless of their neighbors actions or beliefs.

    June 4, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
  5. Aerocog

    Mormons out there trying to feel accepted too, only thing is once gay marriage is more widely accepted the polygamy debate for the church is going to come up. Because why should marriage be limited to only two people?

    June 4, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Oz in OK

      Polygamy? Again? Is that the best you neo-cons can do?

      June 4, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
  6. Mark from Middle River

    So all of the sudden Mormons love faggots now? And they still call themselves Christians? Bunch of hypocrites.

    June 4, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • Huebert

      You're right Mormons shouldn't call themselves christian. Why would they want to associate themselves with such a hateful group of people.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • EndTheHate

      How is that beam working out for you?

      Matthew 7:1-5
      1DO NOT judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves.
      2For just as you judge and criticize and condemn others, you will be judged and criticized and condemned, and in accordance with the measure you [use to] deal out to others, it will be dealt out again to you.
      3Why do you stare from without at the very small particle that is in your brother's eye but do not become aware of and consider the beam of timber that is in your own eye?
      4Or how can you say to your brother, Let me get the tiny particle out of your eye, when there is the beam of timber in your own eye?
      5You hypocrite, first get the beam of timber out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the tiny particle out of your brother's eye.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      End, you're the one hating as you twist and contort Jesus' truth. Guess what, you already know His truth so, no amount of denying Him will change His judgement towards you.

      True Believers Judge (aka discern not according to their own standard Matthew 7:1-2)

      "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 (Ephesians 5:11, 1 Corinthians 5:12)
      "But he who is spiritual judges ALL things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one." 1 Corinthians 2:15 (1 Corinthians 6:2-3; 10:15; 14:29, Romans 16:17)

      Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

      What is right?

      The statutes of the Lord are right (Psalm 19:8).

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I love talking in circles. Sometimes I also walk in circles in my doublewide, to get some excersize.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "What is right?"

      That being gay is NOT a mental illness, it's NOT a choice and it CAN"T be voluntarily changed. That gays deserve the same civil rights as straights since the experts around the world have proven they are just as normal as every one else. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      gee, mark, tell us the mind of god......

      pompous freak

      June 4, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Let me explain this as simply as I can to you YeahRight. You're blinded by sin just like the RCC priests you so despise. Hopefully, you'll smarten up, repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and that you can get closer to Him, and of course, sin no more. Too much for you? Enjoy the ride down.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You're blinded by sin just like the RCC priests you so despise. Hopefully, you'll smarten up, repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and that you can get closer to Him, and of course, sin no more. Too much for you? Enjoy the ride down."

      More lies and no actual facts. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  7. PokingBears

    So after the election will Morons go back to hating the gays like the other christians?

    June 4, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  8. hamsta

    if being gay is not an illness neither is adhd, bipolar disorder, depression, schizophrenia or any other symptom of a chemically imbalanced brain.

    June 4, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • just sayin

      All you need to do is pray..God will fix you

      June 4, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      LOL, you sir are right... that's why every major psychiatric association has shown that it's not a disorder or imbalance... but you know better than all those doctors, right?

      June 4, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      SkepticOne, every major association you refer to is lying through their teeth as you and them create your chaos against Jesus' truth. Enjoy the ride to the eternal flames since none of those associations will break your fall, but, will join you when they too, are judged.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You must fear eternal flames for Jesus to work.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "every major association you refer to is lying through their teeth as you and them create your chaos against Jesus' truth. Enjoy the ride to the eternal flames since none of those associations will break your fall, but, will join you when they too, are judged."

      Now look who's lying what a hypocrite. LMAO Many of those people in those organizations are Christians too. LOL! The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      Of course you have no refute except the excuses that these hundreds of thousands of experts are lying. You have to say that so you can feel justified in your unfounded prejudice and bigotry. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      YeahRight, phony Christians, big whoop-di-do. They are blinded by the sin of pride, just like you.

      Now Yeah, try and think, I know it's hard to do, why all these folks would lie to the ga-y community?

      June 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      OH YAY! The Troll sent from heaven is among us again. Let us rejoice to the heavenly father the CNN moderator for allowing his blessings among us.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's carnal time.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "They are blinded by the sin of pride, just like you.

      Now Yeah, try and think, I know it's hard to do, why all these folks would lie to the ga-y community?"

      More lies and judgments without any facts typical of your posts. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      What's the matter YeahRight? Lying so much you haven't the foggiest idea what is truth and why those asso-ciations would like to the g-ay community? Well, I'll make it easy on you ... when any of you non-believers guess the truth why the as-sociation is lying to you, I'll give you a standing ovation. Until then, you can stay in the dark with those associ-ations, as well as with Jesus.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Lying so much you haven't the foggiest idea what is truth and why those asso-ciations would like to the g-ay community? Well, I'll make it easy on you ... when any of you non-believers guess the truth why the as-sociation is lying to you, I'll give you a standing ovation. Until then, you can stay in the dark with those associ-ations, as well as with Jesus."

      More lies with no proof of your accusations. LMAO Keep up the great work of proving you can't even follow your own rule book. The problem is your ego needs to hold onto your unfounded prejudice and bigotry so you don't have to look in the mirror and see what a bitter judgmental person you are. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      "You must fear eternal flames for Jesus to work."

      Of course, without fear, religion is dead in the water

      June 4, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus says you lifestyle is an abomination throughout His truth. Do you think you're going to argue with Him that created ALL? LOL. Talk about ego.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam stone, Jesus taught His truth (the Bible) about life and the hereafter. Fear the Lord means to learn His wisdom to prevent you from staying the putz.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How's that workin' for YOU, HS? You're the biggest putz here.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Mark D.

      Bigotry and ignorance is imbalanced, and you got it bad.

      June 4, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
  9. just sayin

    Never trust a Mormon. They lie, cheat and steal from non Mormons.

    June 4, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Huebert

      Not true at all. All the Mormons I've met have been honest, friendly, people; a bit weird, but I tend to think all religious people are a bit weird.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  10. J

    Why do they have God loves everyone signs? Of course he does, even if gay marraige is wrong.

    June 4, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "even if gay marraige is wrong."

      Gay marriage is NOT wrong, they deserve to have the same civil rights as straight couples. The experts have shown that heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      They deserve these rights:

      Tax Benefits
      -–Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
      -–Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

      Estate Planning Benefits
      -–Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
      -–Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
      -–Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
      -–Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse – that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

      Government Benefits
      -–Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
      -–Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
      -–Receiving public as-sistance benefits.
      -–Employment Benefits
      -–Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
      -–Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
      -–Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
      -–Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

      Medical Benefits
      -–Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
      -–Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

      Death Benefits
      -–Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
      -–Making burial or other final arrangements.

      Family Benefits
      -–Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
      -–Applying for joint foster care rights.
      -–Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
      -–Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

      Housing Benefits
      -–Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
      -–Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

      Consumer Benefits
      -–Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
      -–Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
      -–Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.
      -–Other Legal Benefits and Protections
      -–Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
      -–Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
      -–Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
      -–Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
      -–Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
      -–Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      Because they recognize the teaching "Judge not, lest ye be judged" from the J man.

      Because they recognize it's not their job to enforce "God's Law" on those that may not believe in it or follow it.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      SkepticOne, Christians remind sinners they are sinning through discernment of His truth. Jesus judges all ... rewarding the righteous with residing with Him through eternity ... and sending the unrighteous to the eternal flames ... no eternity for them.

      You know that you're not in the first group that will spend eternity with Jesus because you continue to do what is not right as you mock God to justify your sinful nature.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I am God's Hall Monitor

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You too. phony heavensent as you mock Jesus' truth purposely destroying the USA's moral compass because of your obsession with the lust of the flesh sin.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      No it is your ego phony

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Carnal carnal carnal. You're all carnal.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • JWT

      Gay and gay marriage are only wrong to you. That does not mean they are wrong, not should it mean that they are wrong. There are a lot of different religions and non-religions in the world and many of them, including christians, hold different views on the topic.

      Even if it's true that your god says its wrong – so what – there are lots of other gods and your god does not speak or control all people.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Mark D.

      Gay marriage might be "wrong" for you - but it wasn't for me and my spouse of 26 years.

      June 4, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • StandupforTruth

      Gay marriages does not preserve live or create life. Put 100 male couples on an island, come back 70 years, and let's see how fruitful this so called marriage will be.

      June 6, 2012 at 7:03 am |
  11. Daniel Beerthuis

    Reblogged this on Daniel Beerthuis Unplugged.

    June 4, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      I will sleep better knowning this

      June 4, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
  12. D.M,

    Jake, before you call people stupid you may want to look up the difference between "morale" and "moral" in the dictionary. I think you may be a little confused about your choice of words. Also, you may want to work on your tenses while you're at it.

    June 4, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • jake

      ... hmm... okay I and concede that I am a horrible speller, thanks for pointing it out.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "okay I and concede that I am a horrible speller, thanks for pointing it out."

      regardless of the multiple handles you use. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • jake

      ... mkay

      June 4, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  13. myweightinwords

    Any faith that does not grow with the people it purports to serve, dies.

    As our society grows to understand that ho.mos.e.xuality is natural and normal within the spectrum of human s.e.xuality, religions that do not adapt will slowly fade away.

    June 4, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  14. Reality

    21st century gay pride:

    o "Abrahamics" ( Mormons included) believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the gay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore gays are gay because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.

    To wit:

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits (where same s-ex unions are allowed) are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.

    June 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  15. Bootyfunk

    i'm an atheist. i think all religion is a waste of time or worse. but i will give points where they are due. it's good to see Mormom's coming out to support g.ays.

    June 4, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • VoipOfReason

      Agreed, and with you on that. However, I find this to be politically motivated. Obama comes out and supports the LGBT community, and then Romney's minions all of a sudden come out of the wood work, and completely flip flop on their own belief system. Should have seen that coming I guess.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  16. Tag

    The church isn't changing it's beliefs on this topic. It has never taught to hate gay people it has just taught that we don't agree with it and don't think it is right but are still accepting that everyone is different. Also, this group is not the church. They are a group of people that belong to the church but don't represent the whole church.

    June 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "it has just taught that we don't agree with it and don't think it is right"

      Thankfully the experts disagree with your narrow minded view point. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • TC

      Not hate?

      A church teaching that natural and innate human traits can be "disagreed with", and spending millions of dollars to influence voting in other states for the purpose of hurting families in that state, isn't a church about love, compassion and the love of God.

      It's a shame that these wonderful people aren't representative of their church, as a whole. You could certainly use a few more of them.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • jake

      {A church teaching that natural and innate human traits can be "disagreed with", and spending millions of dollars to influence voting in other states for the purpose of hurting families in that state, isn't a church about love, compassion and the love of God.}

      There are a whole lot of things that might feel natural and innate that are wrong – you argument is bunk. Furthermore, when does 'natural' stand in for 'morale'. GLBT rights aside, I get so tired of the lack of the general publics logic and critical thinking skills.

      I have a natural and innate feeling to inform you that you are stupid.

      June 4, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "There are a whole lot of things that might feel natural and innate that are wrong – you argument is bunk. "

      The experts around the world have shown being gay is normal, it's not a mental illness, it's NOT a choice and it CAN'T be voluntarily changed. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • jake

      Ah – 'the experts' sure

      But you happened to miss my point entirely. If you can't understand basic logic, they cite the experts again. No, my point is that wrong and right have nothing to do with natural and unnatural. Matters of the soul are not the field for PhDs or MDs to play in.

      June 4, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "But you happened to miss my point entirely. If you can't understand basic logic, they cite the experts again. No, my point is that wrong and right have nothing to do with natural and unnatural. Matters of the soul are not the field for PhDs or MDs to play in."

      What you are NOT getting is the writers of the bible did NOT understand sexuality as we understand it today. They viewed the world through straight eyes. They even shared some of their own prejudices in their writing. Look at the prejudice scribe that added the word homosexual to the bible that word hadn't been invented back then. They even proved that what was written in the past about gays was done by bias and prejudice people that includes your bible! Duh! Part of reading comprehension 101 is you put the scriptures into historical context. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • jake

      ... missed the point again. Don't worry about it, looks like you can't muster the brain cells.

      Here is a mind melter – I'm agnostic. Morality is also an independant concept from religous texts.

      And you sound even more stupid when you end every reply with the same word. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Huebert

      @jake

      I have trouble believing your an agnostic after you say "Matters of the soul are not the field for PhDs or MDs to play in." Referring to morality as a "matter of the soul" indicates you accept the existence of an immortal, supernatural, component of human physiology. That statement also leads me to a question. Who is the appropriate person to discuss matters of morality with?

      June 4, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I'm agnostic. Morality is also an independant concept from religous texts.

      And you sound even more stupid when you end every reply with the same word"

      I doubt seriously you understand morality or civil rights as it pertains to this subject. DUH!

      June 4, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      @Jake, here a definition of you
      Morality-
      1. descriptively to refer to some codes of conduct put forward by a society or,
      some other group, such as a religion, or
      accepted by an individual for her own behavior or
      2. normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.

      If a majority of our society, combined with correlating data from experts, says something is not damaging and a natural process/event, then it slowly becomes moral. Remember, morals change in society; look at the abolitionist, women's suffrage, and civil rights movement, all of them originally didn't have "morality" on their side, but as society changed, the morals changed. FOr the better. Duh.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • jake

      DING DING DING, thanks skeptic one! We have a winner!

      IMO – the crux of the arguement is part of the definition you gave "accepted by an individual for her own behavior"

      Huebert, YeahRight, Skeptic – respect is a two way street, you value doctors because they validate your beliefs, but why discredit the beliefs of the religous.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • jake

      And also –

      Agnostic: A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena;...

      That definition is not incompatible with the idea that there could be an immortal soul or that psychologist don't hold exclusive priveldges on deciding what should be morale for me.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Huebert, YeahRight, Skeptic – respect is a two way street, you value doctors because they validate your beliefs, but why discredit the beliefs of the religous."

      Because your beliefs aren't based on facts, the bible has been shown not to be an historical document yet you are going to use it to condemn people that the experts of today have proven are just as normal as YOU! Christians like you in American history has always been on the wrong side of civil rights and morality.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • just sayin

      "but why discredit the beliefs of the religous."
      ---
      I can understand your question. Lets put this into perspective. Mythology and mythical creatures have equal physical evidence as current day religions/Gods. ALL require equal faith to believe in them. Perhaps you can understand how very little consideration is given to people who believe in such things.

      Do you discredit anyone who says they beleive in Puff the Magic Dragon? Of course you do. lol

      June 4, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • jake

      "Do you discredit anyone who says they beleive in Puff the Magic Dragon? Of course you do. lol"

      Yes, but Puff the Magic Dragon is very different... I understand your point, my point is that you can say "it's a fact! it's a fact!" until you are blue in the face. That doesn't make right. One can argue that 'I believe ______ because _____" but at the end of the day, everything about human existance is speculative and in-absolute. (if that is a word.... i will also fess up to mis-spelling moral for morale, I am not a smart person)

      June 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      "Yes, but Puff the Magic Dragon is very different"
      Now you're discriminating against DRAGONS?!?!?

      June 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • Huebert

      @jake

      I respect PhD's because they can support their beliefs. I ridicule the religious because because they cannot.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Huebert

      @jake

      The fact that we can't know anything for sure is utterly useless. Weather (sp?) or not a belief can be supported through evidence is the only criteria for necessary for accepting or rejecting said belief. Their is as much evidence for souls as their is for Puff The Magic Dragon.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  17. Paul

    Just a ploy to try and get Mitt Romney elected. After he is elected they will go back to wanting to round them up and put them in camps just like the crazy preachers in the South want too.

    June 4, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  18. Hyram S

    The Mormons should be driven into the sea and left to drown.

    June 4, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Huebert

      So should bigots.

      June 4, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Hyram S

      So we will start with you then, Hubert. Come down to Pier 13. I'll give you a shove and you can drown and good riddance.

      June 4, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Huebert

      Hyram

      Your far worse than any Mormon I have ever met. Your a supremacist. You offer nothing of value but claim that others are inferior and deserve to be murdered for disagreeing with you. Due to your arrogance you have few friends, aside from a few skinheads, and are most likely between jobs, your going to stay their for a while. You are aware of the fact that most people don't like you, but it's okay, you like to pretend that you don't care what other's think of you, even though you, and everyone else, know that's a lie.

      Additionally, I'm not a Mormon I'm an atheist, but I simply cannot abide useless bigots.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Wunk

      You mean ocean, gulf, lake, pond? We have no seas in the US.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Joe

      Thats interesting Huebert. You got all that from a few statments that hyram made on here. And you are calling him a bigot? Look in the mirror son.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Church of Suicidal

      Wunk – There is the Salton Sea in California.

      June 4, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Joe

      Bigot traditionally hatred of a group of people, especially a racial, regional, or religious group, based on preconceived notions about said group. I'm being an @sshole to Hyram specifically, so I will accept that label, but bigotry is not a charge that I am guilty of.

      Or are you trying to say that I am bigoted towards bigots? If that is the case what you are referring to is known as the paradox of tolerance. The paradox states that the more tolerant a person becomes, in general, the less tolerant they become of other people's intolerance. If that is your accusation I stand guilty as charged.

      June 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  19. Think

    The Mormon church seems to be doing a lot of flip-flopping recently, for the better I admit, but still this is the church that poured millions into Prop 8 in California a few years back

    June 4, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • mickey1313

      It's all in attempt to gain favor for their higher up trying to oust the POTUS. But what they don't comprehend, is when religion changes is collective belief, it proves it is man made and not divine. A man made religion that can trace it's beginnings is a Cult. They are no more ligit than scientology.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • c

      Youtube exmorman.com. and other testimonials from Mormans themselves; don't beileve too much of what you hear otherwise. They may have some support among some er "church" members. but that's as far as it goes.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • TC

      INDIVIDUALS in any church can disagree with certain tenets of their church. Doesn't change the hateful party line.

      June 4, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • just sayin

      "They are no more ligit than scientology."
      .
      Or Christians which they "claim" to be.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  20. J.W

    There must be a few gay Mormons since Salt Lake City is the gayest city in the US.

    June 4, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • just sayin

      Also Utah has the highest percentage of pedo philia aka child r a pe.

      June 4, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • J.W

      What is your source on that?

      June 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Holy Hand Grenade

      "just sayin" How is getting tax bennifits as equal rights for two humans loving eachother, related to raping an unwilling child and puting the childs life in danger?

      June 4, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • J.W

      No one has ever been able to provide statistical evidence that the two are correlated.

      June 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
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