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June 4th, 2012
12:00 PM ET

Utah gay pride parade draws hundreds of Mormon participants

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A gay pride parade in Mormon-heavy Salt Lake City drew thousands of participants, including a few hundred Mormons, whose church has been criticized by gay rights activists for its activism against same-sex marriage.

The Mormon contingent for Sunday's parade wasn’t made up of gay members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but rather straight Mormons who want to show support for gay and lesbians, according to CNN affiliate KSTU-TV in Salt Lake City.

The Mormon group marched near the front of the parade, just behind the event's grand marshal, Dustin Lance Black, the Academy Award-winning screenwriter ("Milk") who grew up in the church, according to KSTU.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that sex is only acceptable within heterosexual marriage. The church played a major role in passing California’s 2008 ban on same-sex marriage, known as Proposition 8.

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Since then, the church has been subtly softening its posture toward gays and lesbians, appointing an openly gay Mormon to an official role in the church in San Francisco. Individual Mormon bishops have addressed recent meetings of gay and lesbian groups.

“I have a friend who asked me ... why I wasn’t at church today and I said, ‘I’m going to the gay pride parade,’ ” said one Mormon who marched in Sunday’s parade, according to KSTU.

"'He said, ‘Don’t Mormons hate gay people?’ ” the marcher continued. “I said, ‘Some do, but I don’t.’”

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The Mormon group that marched in Salt Lake City was organized by Mormons Building Bridges, a group of lay Mormons who want to show support for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community. The group is promoting Mormon participation in gay pride parades across the country this year.

“This Church has felt the bitter sting of persecution and marginalization early in our history,” the group says on its Facebook page. “Our parents, young adults, teens and children should therefore, of all people, be especially sensitive to the vulnerable in society and be willing to speak out against bullying or intimidation whenever it occurs, including unkindness toward those who are attracted to others of the same sex.

“... Each Latter-day Saint family and individual should carefully consider whether their attitudes and actions toward others properly reflect Jesus Christ’s second great commandment - to love one another."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Homosexuality • Mormonism • Utah

soundoff (309 Responses)
  1. phillip phillips

    Religion is not healthy, and kills children! Here is 1 of many true story's of how religion, cost the life of a child...

    Harrison Johnson. In September of 1998 he was stung by over 430 yellow-jackets. His parents are Christians who believe in "faith-healing" so they prayed for him for seven hours before calling for medical help. Harrison died. His parents actions are perfectly legal in the state of Florida where this tragedy took place. This murderous behavior is also legal in 45 other states in the 50 United States. The only states that are progressive enough to not permit the killing of innocent children for religious "reasons" are Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts and South Dakota.

    PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!!
    STOP THIS KIND OF MINDLESS KILLING!!
    TAX ALL RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, AND MAKE THE ABIDE BY OUR NATIONS LAWS TO PROTECT CHILDREN!!1

    June 5, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Dateline NBC anchor Stone Phillips confronts Dahmer on-camera, in a prison interview about the victims he killed and cannibalized ... Jeffrey Dahmer was responsible for a series of gruesome murders of 17 young men in Ohio and Milwaukee. During the interview, Jeffrey admitted that his lack of remorse was due to his belief in the lie of evolution. No remorse when he killed and dissected his victims. Father, Lionel Dahmer blamed himself for being negligent for not introducing Jeffrey and his other son to Jesus Christ's teachings.

      June 5, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "During the interview, Jeffrey admitted that his lack of remorse was due to his belief in the lie of evolution. "

      Just like the Christians who have no remorse for blocking the civil rights of gay people that brings harm to their families, especially during emergencies when they are denied being with their loved ones during death in a hospital and protection for their children.

      Tax Benefits
      -–Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
      -–Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

      Estate Planning Benefits
      -–Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
      -–Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
      -–Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
      -–Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse – that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

      Government Benefits
      -–Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
      -–Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
      -–Receiving public as-sistance benefits.
      -–Employment Benefits
      -–Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
      -–Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
      -–Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
      -–Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

      Medical Benefits
      -–Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
      -–Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

      Death Benefits
      -–Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
      -–Making burial or other final arrangements.

      Family Benefits
      -–Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
      -–Applying for joint foster care rights.
      -–Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
      -–Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

      Housing Benefits
      -–Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
      -–Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

      Consumer Benefits
      -–Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
      -–Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
      -–Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.
      -–Other Legal Benefits and Protections
      -–Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
      -–Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
      -–Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
      -–Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
      -–Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
      -–Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

      June 5, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      YeahRigh, oh, boo-hoo. You hate Jesus, refuse to learn, comprehend, and apply His wisdom to your life to live righteously and then find out you want what was incorporated in His name by His faithful followers that you also hate. Am I missing something here bully!

      June 5, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Am I missing something?"

      Like shooting fish in a barrel.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You hate Jesus, refuse to learn, comprehend, and apply His wisdom to your life to live righteously and then find out you want what was incorporated in His name by His faithful followers that you also hate. Am I missing something here bully!"

      Oh poor baby the REAL Truth is annoying you isn't because now you have to face your unfounded prejudice and bigotry. DUH! LMAO! Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 6, 2012 at 11:00 am |
  2. equalizer

    If nature is wrong so why evolved with just male and female humans?..ho_mo_se_xual_lity is a serious Crime against Hu-manilty...as one Pastor puts it...put all Ho_mos in a electri_c fence and let them live on their own. Sure the will Di-e in a few years coz they can_not re_produce....see the Lo_gic?? Ab_nor_mal,...Fr_eaks....

    June 5, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Primewonk

      You, like most fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots), who purposefully choose to be ignorant, fail to understand the difference between gender and orientation.

      Perhaps if you would get your information from actual science sources instead of "Pastor Dave", you would understand this.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You do know that there are people born with both male and female reproductive organs don't you, equallystupid? You do know that gays and lesbians reproduce,don't you? You do realize that if you put straight women in one enclosure and straight men in another, both will ALSO die out,don't you? You do know that most gays were born to straight couples, don't you?

      Or are you still waiting to pass that 5th grade s3x ed class? Third time's the charm, I hear.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • YeahRight

      "ho_mo_se_xual_lity is a serious Crime against Hu-manilty"

      There are hundred of thousands of experts that disagree with you unfounded prejudice opinion. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 5, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • phillip phillips

      @equalizer
      . Nature isn't wrong you moron! You are the thing thats wrong. Nature created gay people. Gay people are natural beings. If we weren't natural, and created from nature then your hateful plan to fences us and let us die off would work. Gay people dont make gay people, straight people do. You're the only abnormal freak in here, aside from being abnormal youre also delusional, schizophrenic, paranoid, and unable to feel or show compassion! put your tinfoilf hat back on, b4 they come to take you away again!

      June 5, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Enlightened2

      Someone ought to put all those who HATE behind an electric fence and let the rest of us live in peace.

      June 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  3. luceifer

    One more thing that should be noted.....if romney is elected he will seek advice from not only god but his bishop and peers. mormons are good people, they thrive for family and like every religion have problems....the truth is the closer u get to god the harder it is to stay there....i urge anyone to spend one day at a mormon church and then make an opinion. we all know deep in our hearts that life is only continued naturally between a man and a woman.

    June 5, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Who's "luceifer"?

      June 5, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • phillip phillips

      God said, "it is easier to walk a camel through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to get into heaven"!

      I hate to be the one to tell ya this, but it doesn't look like Mittens is going to heaven; now matter how magic his underwear may be!

      June 5, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  4. luceifer

    marriage was invented by god.....what right do we have to alter that? if we are to beleive in marriage then we should respect who made it. also to our president and recent announcement of supporting gay marriage....you have fuled the thousands of terrorists that beleive they are doing gods will in ridding western ways. if u truly beleive in god...then u must know why god made one man and woman and his honor and love of family and husband and wife as the most cherised thing.

    June 5, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • Primewonk

      " marriage was invented by god."

      Your god was cobbled together from various minor deities worshipped by various tribes in the Middle East 6,000 years ago.

      Marriage preceded your god crawling onto the scene by thousands of years.

      Why do you fundiots lie?

      June 5, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • LinCA

      @luceifer

      You said, "marriage was invented by god."
      Bullshit. Marriage was around long before any of the current major religions were. Your god is an invention of man to explain the things he couldn't. No god ever invented anything.

      You said, "what right do we have to alter that?"
      Marriage is a civil construct. We have the responsibility to ensure it is inclusive, We have an obligation to remove discrimination.

      You said, "if we are to beleive in marriage then we should respect who made it."
      Your imaginary friend doesn't exist anywhere but in your mind.

      You said, "also to our president and recent announcement of supporting gay marriage....you have fuled the thousands of terrorists that beleive they are doing gods will in ridding western ways."
      Mr. Obama's announcement seems to have caused these domestic terrorists to come out and show their hand. Unfortunately, nobody appears to be acting to suppress these terrorists. Instead of throwing these criminals in prison, they are allowed to claim freedom of speech and spread their message of hate.

      You said, "if u truly beleive in god..."
      ... then you still believe in fairy tales.

      You said, "then u must know why god made one man and woman and his honor and love of family and husband and wife as the most cherised thing."
      If you really believe that some god made one man and one woman, you should have your head examined.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:35 am |
  5. Reality

    21st century gay pride:

    ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS OF THIS BLOG–

    o "Abrahamics" ( Mormons included) believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the gay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore gays are gay because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.

    To wit:

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits (where same s-ex unions are allowed) are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.

    June 5, 2012 at 8:54 am |
  6. TGM

    Eric Newman, Peter Tatchell and 'gay supremacists' everywhere are in denial that their disordered and otherwise medically high risk behaviors are grossly abnormal unhealthy and negative for humankind.

    June 5, 2012 at 6:09 am |
    • Primewonk

      If being born gay is "negative for humankind", what do propose doing to the millions of folks who are born gay each year?

      Plus, being a bit of a wonk, I ran a query in PubMed looking for scientific evidence that being born gay is negative for humanity. I got zero hits.

      I wonder why?

      June 5, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • YeahRight

      "otherwise medically high risk behaviors are grossly abnormal unhealthy and negative for humankind."

      There is nothing abnormal about being gay, the hundreds of thousands of experts have proven you wrong. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:36 am |
  7. Frank

    All CNN's video player window ever does is say "Upgrade to [whatever version you recently installed + .1]" but it never just plays the video. I have to remember to stop clicking on the CNN video story links.

    June 5, 2012 at 3:39 am |
  8. Ty

    People twist everything these days and they don't even recognize it. Keith, that scripture really lays it out, you're right. Anyone really looking to get to the bottom of this can do so if they really just open up their eyes. Praying helps too. Read james1:5-6, then ask. That will tell you, Tom. No offense man but you're going about this all wrong.

    June 5, 2012 at 2:39 am |
    • SkepticOne

      So God is dictating wisdom through you? You're talking to god?

      I declare Ty the new prophet of the LORD, let us all bow down to his wisdom! Ignore science, experts, you're gut feeling. Give up all your rational thinking abilities to God, for He (through his earthly vessels like Ty) should dictate what all of us think or believe!

      June 5, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Ty

      Man you're a funny little slugger aren't you?

      "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him."

      James 1:5

      Look man i'm not calling you out or anything, all I'm saying is that ANYONE can talk with God. That's what prayer is for. God listens, and answers with what's best for us. Like the scripture says, if anyone really has a question (for example... God do you really exist? Are you really listening to me? Are you really necessary to follow in this world?), then they can kneel down and pray. God will answer them, in his own time. I've gotten my answer (it was just a really calming, peaceful feeling that i've never felt before and that I can't describe) after really praying, with a true desire to know. Does that make me a prophet? Absolutely not, but it does give me the evidence that God exists, and that he loves me. It might be cheesy to you, but this isn't a topic i mess around with. Hope you take this seriously man, it seriously has changed my life for the better.

      June 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Quoting the bible is not proof of anything. It only shows the extent of your ignorance. Prayer is waste of time, your better of having a conversation with you dog (I do). At least your dog will actually listen and is real. Unlike you imaginary god which like all gods throughout history, is a man made myth. Get off your knees, unclasp your hands and go help others rather than "wishing" for it. Only you can make your life and others lives better.

      June 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      @Ty-
      "Like the scripture says, if anyone really has a question (for example... God do you really exist? Are you really listening to me? Are you really necessary to follow in this world?), then they can kneel down and pray. God will answer them, in his own time."

      I will take you seriously this time. Let me be honest with you here, I am very skeptical of all religions (hence the name). One of the main sources of that skepticism is that many things in Nature are given credit to a being that we have NO verifiable evidence of existing, other than the aged texts used to derive the Bible. Texts that show surprising similarities and parallels to thousands of other religious texts.

      You say you pray and "God will answer them, in his own time", once again attributing that ANYTHING that happens that concerns the person praying to, all intents and purposes, an imaginary being. This concept of attributing everything to a supernatural being is incredibly depressing, which means that your "all-loving God" kills children, lets murderers die of old age, and allows genocide committed by his followers to go unpunished. I would much rather rely on science to explain the world; probability to explain random events, and natural laws to give me comfort that, whatever happens, there is an explainable order behind it.

      Stephen Fry speaking about atheists:"The glory — anything — we take credit for what is great about man and we take blame for what is dreadful about man, we neither grovel or apologise at the feet of a god, or are so infantile as to project the idea that we once had a father as human beings and we therefore should have a divine one too. We have to grow up."

      June 5, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
  9. NutGrinder

    Christianity and all other religions are a culture of hate. Your idiotic god breeds hate and destruction upon anyone who doesn't believe. I refuse to give up my free will to some arrogant and hateful "god". "Believe in me or burn in hell" this is hate! Embrace science, reason and facts! Refuse to give in to ignorance and hate. Choose freedom, pure freedom! Freedom from hate, freedom from religion and ignorance! Question the world around you and the norms you have come to believe as "truths", norms that have been forced upon you as a child. Religion has fed you lies and fear, fear of hell, the fear of eternal condemnation if you don't follow some mythical sets of rules. It is time to abandon the ignorance of the dark ages and come to accept the world for the beauty and truths that are evident through diligence and exploration. FREE your mind, read, learn, study, BOTH side of the story and not just some ignorant, one sided point of view. FREE your mind!

    June 5, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • philipofmuleshoe

      I love science and l love religion. My dads a Paleontologist and he is also very religious. To me life would be pretty incomplete without getting answers to prays and also answers about the amazing world around us, through study and research. The God I know is a pretty understanding guy, and not the boogyman that you described above.

      June 5, 2012 at 1:31 am |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Prayers are a pipe dream. No god to answer you wishes. That's what they are, wishes for help to a non existent diety.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • Ty

      Wrath of Anabus had a few things go wrong in life... and now thinks that just because something bad happened, God isn't there. Right? You can deny it all you want but that is the truth. And for the record, God wasn't created by the people as to explain why things happen. The people have believed in God since the beginning of the world, and then atheism came AFTER that. So should we go with the belief that has been around since the beginning of time (the belief that God exists, a belief that he has shown unto us so many times), or a belief that was created by men (that there is no god)?

      Where is the evidence that God doesn't exist? There is none.

      Where is the evidence that he does exist? Scriptures obviously. Then the countless number of prayers of mine that have been answered.

      June 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Where is the evidence that he does exist? Scriptures obviously. Then the countless number of prayers of mine that have been answered."

      The bible has been proven NOT to be an historical document so you can't use the scriptures to prove your god. Duh!

      June 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Right?
      Wrong Ty. I don't waste my time on my knees trying to telepathically communicate with an imaginary friend whom I hope will guide or answer my wishes. You are not born a Christian dipsh•t, your not born with any religious beliefs. You thought them, its called indoctrination. But you wouldn't know that. By the way the bible, which is an ancient book of myths written by ancient men, is not proof of anything. It is not evidence. You can not use a book that has racist, misogynistic, lies, falsehoods and be proven to be untrue as evidence or as the backbone for the your argument. Also there is absolutely no proof of pray every working, infact science has proven other wise. As science and physics always do, they contradict religion and all its backwards way of thought. Good try Ty, but pray all you want. No one is listening or gives a sh•t. That's the flat out truth, not our problem if you can't deal with reality.

      June 5, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  10. Colin

    The belief that an infinitely old, all-knowing sky-god, powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies, will cause people to survive their own physical deaths and live happily ever after in heaven, if they follow some random laws laid down in Bronze Age Palestine = Judaism.

    Judaism + a belief that the same god impregnated a virgin with himself to give birth to himself, so he could sacrifice himself to himself to negate a rule he himself made = Christianity.

    Christianity + a belief that aliens from other planets mated with humans who will one day be gods, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, that the Israelis colonized America and that magic underwear will protect you from evil= Mormonism.

    In the Olympics of silly, childish superst.itions, the Mormons take gold.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Texasice

      Add Colin to the list of thousands of people who make ignorant Statements about a religion they obviously know nothing about. An old proverb states, "it is better to keep your mouth closed and let others think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

      June 5, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Ty

      I never have responded on one of these posts, but I honestly can't believe how immature and idiotic you sound. For the record, all the information you posted is either false or innacurate. I'm sure you'd like to take back that comment. If not now, then when you grow a pair in 20 years or so, you will then. I'm not perfect I know that, and I know God wants you to live with him after this life (we're all his children), but man you are part of the reason this world is going downhill.

      Why is it that the uninformed, ignorant people talk so much, and the wiser people aren't heard? Think of your hero's Colin (besides your favorite South Park or Family Guy character). They'd be ashamed of you. Your parents, grandparents, George Washington, Barack Obama, mitt Romney (though I'm sure you're not a fan), whoever you look up to, they'd be embarrassed to know you.

      Do America a favor and get educated or get out please.

      June 5, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • Colin

      Texacise, Ty, given how stupid I obviously am, I am sure you will have no problem pointing out what I got wrong. I await your response.

      June 5, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Ty, do America a favor and do some critical thinking. You will find your "faith" is a joke. Science, physics, and math are real truths. Not ancient myths written by ancient men that have been butchered throughout history to benefit who ever "knows" the "real" word of god. Oh don't ignore the hundreds of other religeons and gods that would oppose your religion. Do us a favor, get educated or shut the fvck up Ty.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • derp

      And the Christians take the silver.

      It's funny when you point out the absurdity of their beliefs, they resort to calling you "a liar", or claiming you "don't understand" their myths, yet they are the first ones to criticize someone like Tom Cruise for his belief in scientology.

      Scientology = christianity with spaceships.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • Ty

      First off guys, I'm not sure when I criticized any other church... in fact I didn't. In fact, I never will criticize any other church. I will criticize those that talk horribly of things that I believe in. Yes I will stand up for that.. It's what we do as American people right?

      So let's get some things straight. You guys can bash all you want, but how many of you have actually looked in to the Mormon Church, besides on anti-mormon blogs and wikipedia? My guess is none. Go to lds.org and you can learn more about it.

      Colin- here's a few point where (believe it or not) you are wrong. As for your little spiel on what christianity is, that may be what the rest of the churches think about the Godhead, but Mormons believe that God is the Father,and Christ is God's son. That's how it is. So you're wrong there to think that mormon's believe that.
      As for the aliens and mating thing you're talking about... honestly i'm clueless and actually kindof bummed that you would think that. Where did you even hear that? From the bully on the playground? I've gone to church my whole life and I can guarantee that's not true. Wrong again.

      As for the other things, well yes they're true so way to go champ. We do believe they were brothers (obviously Satan has fallen, but aren't we all spiritual siblings?). Yes, people from Jerusalem came and populated the American continent. I don't doubt that for a second. The garments on the other hand... you're wrong again. It's not to "protect us from evil." Those are just daily reminders to keep our covenants with the Lord.

      You may not believe it, but it doesn't mean you need to spread rumors and hate to everyone so that you can feel a bit of... cyber satisfaction I guess you could say. Just because you're neglected by everyone doesn't mean you should feel powerful over the internet.

      June 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Ty wrote, " Yes, people from Jerusalem came and populated the American continent."

      This, of course, is a lie. Do you honestly think that molecular biologists are idiots? Do you honestly think that a simple DNA comparison between the 2 groups wouldn't show this?

      June 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Ty

      Like i said, people will argue everything, that's why I don't want to go too deep into this because I know you're too hard hearted to listen. But for everyone else that reads this...

      I think people rely too much on science at times, yes. How can they be 100% positive that a simple test would prove that a family from jerusalem who came to the americas over 2,500 years ago is actually a lie?

      And you know what, maybe God even changed a few things, just to try the faith of his people. Which would you rather believe? A direct answer from God, or some scientists who have nothing better to do than try and prove that God doesn't exist and that all these religions are fake?

      Common sense says God. Why is it that our country was so great back when our forefathers kept reminding us of the blessings of God, yet now that this country wants to cut God (our own Heavenly Father) out of everything, we are going to the trash? Keep telling yourself that science is the way to go. History says otherwise.

      Go ahead and respond with some smart alec comments, but this argument won't go anywhere until you just get on your knees and pray and ask God to know the truth. He'll answer you, I guarantee it. Just do it with real intent, that's all.

      June 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Why is it that our country was so great back when our forefathers kept reminding us of the blessings of God, yet now that this country wants to cut God (our own Heavenly Father) out of everything, we are going to the trash? Keep telling yourself that science is the way to go. History says otherwise."

      There is a reason that there is a separation of church and state because many Christians have been on the wrong side of morality. Look at what Christians did in trying to form this country, they came here murdered the Native Americans and stole their land, they kidnapped African Americans from their homes to make slaves out of them, they kept trying to deny African Americans and women their civil rights. There are hundreds of thousands of experts that have shown that being gay is NOT a mental illness, it's NOT a choice and it CAN'T be voluntarily changed, they deserve the same equal civil rights as straights.;

      June 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  11. philipofmuleshoe

    We all have temptations that we need to work on overcoming, controlling and bridling. For some it might be the templation of being unfaithful to ones spouse. For others it might be anger management issues. And for some it might be same-gender attaction. No reason to hate each other over them.

    June 5, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How is being attracted to anyone a sin? Why should a person who's attracted to someone of the same gender be denied the same rights as a person who is attracted to someone of the opposite gender? Can you control your attraction to someone else? Why would you think a gay person can? Can you change your orientation? Why would you think a gay person can? If God told you it was a sin to be straight, would you become celibate?

      June 5, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • phillip phillips

      Yeah Phillip,

      If you could curb your temptation to be religious, or spew your ridiculous ill-conceived beliefs, the the world is flat, or only 5000 yrs old: That would be great!
      I dont hate you for it! But would be grateful if you could curb it!

      June 5, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • philipofmuleshoe

      Hi Tom – Yes, self mastery is possible and something that I have to work at everyday. And I have a long way to go. 🙂

      June 5, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Primewonk

      Being born gay is no more immoral, wrong, or a sin, than being born left-handed, or black.

      Oh...Wait...It wasn't that long ago that fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) said that being left-handed was a sign of the devil, and being black was the mark of Cain.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      phillip, if you want to live a miserable life denying your true self, you just go right on ahead. A creature who'd make his creation in such a way as to find s3x enjoyable and then burn him in hell for having it is not worth worshipping.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  12. lily

    ??? So, 300 mormons speak for 14 million? Thanks for telling us, liberal media! (You are way over-hyped about anything Mormon! So, one is running for president, get over it!)

    I love the people they show as "mormons" in some of these pictures. Mormons don't wear sleeveless dresses. Ask any REAL mormon! I would say that most of the people in this march were either paid to come or ex-mormon. Very few mormons support Gay Marriage. There are many that support Gay unions and rights (just like the church) but never Gay Marriage.

    Love the sinner, hate the sin. I have nothing against gay people, I just don't agree with their live style (just like I don't agree with alcoholism, adultery, etc). This is not civil rights people, it is a lifestyle.

    June 4, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • FYI

      Oh silly lily,

      . Being gay, isn't a "life style"
      Being religious is a "life style"! As they are born gay!
      You weren't born religious!

      You can't teach someone to be gay!
      But you can teach some one to be religious!
      Having said that, tell me why should we support your "life style"?

      June 4, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "Love the sinner, hate the sin"

      Not this crap again. Book, chapter, and verse please, for where this is said in the bible or book of mormon.

      [Hint – you can't. Because it isn't in either book. It's a quote from Gandhi – a Hindu.]

      Your god actually commands that his followers go and kill gay folks. I'm not seeing the love there.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • equalizer

      i agree, ho_mos should be bur_n in stake....

      June 5, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • lily

      Okay FYI, I'll disagree with you on this. I am a scientist and I know there are lots of studies on this, I'm sure there are some that are born with tendencies to be gay, but that doesn't mean they have to act on those tendencies. One of my good friends is gay. I knew him all growing up and he was certainly NOT gay. He was introduced to the lifestyle and chose to give in to his tendencies. His whole mannerisms changed and everything. I have a difficult time believing he was "born gay."

      As for "love the sinner hate the sin"? I'm just trying to follow Christ. Yes, it doesn't say it anywhere, but that how Christ lived his life. What did he tell the woman in adultery? "Go thy way and sin no more" He loved her as a person, but commanded her to stop the sin.

      I have every right to voice my opinion, just like everyone has every right to voice their opinion about supporting gay marriage. But, if this all goes national, then my right WILL be taken away to believe that marriage is between a man and a women. Anything pro-traditional marriage will become illegal. Don't think that the gay community will be "tolerable" of anything against THEIR lifestyle!!!

      June 5, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • derp

      "I am a scientist and I know there are lots of studies on this"

      If you are a scientist, I am the pope.

      Any scientist on earth knows that the overwhelming body of evidence points towards h om os exu ality, hete ros exuality, and bis exu ality as normally occurring phenomenon within the spectrum of innate human (and hundreds of other animals) se x ual development.

      There is no such thing as a g ay lifestyle. When you call innate human se xu ality a "lifestyle", you should understand that the rest of us immediately recognize you as an i d i o t.

      Please, at least make an effort to get the anthropologic terms correct.

      June 5, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  13. Colin

    Everybody has the right to tbe stupid, but, I swear, Mormons abuse the privilege,

    June 4, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
  14. jake

    so... if being gay is natural–where's the penis/entry hole in the body...? where is it? how is it natural to shove your penis in an orifice of which feces is dispelled.....?
    scientists and blah blah blah... this association and that association can say "its natural" all they want, and if i was wary of the press jumping all over me, i would lie and say being gay is ok too. because thats how the world works. gross. this has nothing to do with religion, its common freaking sense.

    June 4, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • JWT

      you don't like it so don't do it – beyond that it is none of your business.

      June 4, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • FYI

      Jake
      . 1st I would like to share with you a simple s.ex education course...
      S.E. 101 – THERE IS NO SE.XUAL ACT THAT GAY PEOPLE DO, THAT STRAIGHT PEOPLE DONT ALSO DO! if you need me to draw you a picture leave your e-mail address...
      2nd. Being gay or being in love isn't just about se.x. I dont know if you're married, but if you are im sure it isn't just for se.x..
      So to be clear, people aren't in same se.x relationships just for se.x, ITS ABOUT "LOVE"!
      So, putting se.x aside, I have to ask you... WHO ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE WHO THEY CAN OR CANNOT "LOVE"?

      June 5, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • NutGrinder

      Do you REALLY believe that "god" is going to judge you based on what you do with your penis? How ignorant is that?

      June 5, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's amusing to see these sorts of posters trying to figure out "how they do it". Reminds of watching the monkeys at the zoo looking at those wooden ring toys and puzzling over how to fit them onto the dowel. "Duhh....does THIS fit? Noooo....maybe sideways???"

      Really, you doofus, you do know that straight couples have anal intercourse, too, don't you? Oh, wait. You're a virgin, aren't you?

      I also find it absolutely, stunningly stupid that people honestly think there's some guy "up there" who's paying attention to the way we brush our teeth, slurp coffee, fart and burp, while allowing children to be hacked to bits in Syria.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • derp

      Tom please, don't you know that the hacking up of Syrian children is part of our wonderful sky wizards all loving plan.

      June 5, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  15. RobertC

    Mormons have been treated very unfairly lately. I grew up in the West and knew a lot of Mormons. Most of them knew I was gay and never once said anything mean or hateful to me. This story does not surprise me at all.

    June 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
  16. SherryF

    Umm......okay. I'm glad some of them have pulled their heads out but can't say I find this particularly newsworthy.

    June 4, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
  17. Dave

    With very few exceptions, this has got to be the dumbest group of people leaving comments I have ever witnessed. I really hesitate leaving a comment, because I don't want to be one of them. Oh well...

    June 4, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  18. Now It Can Be Revealed!!!

    Exciting recent discoveries have proven conclusively that the "End Of Times" prophecies in the Bible are misunderstood due to a mistranslation. As it turns out, Jesus was prophesizing the end of thyme, the great and terrible spice apocalypse destined to befall us.

    And while that sounds stupid and ridiculous, it is no more stupid and ridiculous than all the other stupid ridiculous things religious people believe.

    June 4, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  19. Grunt

    They do not speak for our Religion. while we do not persecute the sinner, we do not support the sin.

    June 4, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      What sin?? Have you failed to keep up with the 21st century?? First off in the rational world where the laws of the land exist and not the laws of the buybull, sin does not exist. Second, science has already stated numerous times over that being gay is natural. Bigotry is damaging to society!

      http://livinglifewithoutanet.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/what-does-science-say-about-gay-relationships/
      "The belief that hom.os.exuality is abnormal and unhealthy is prevalent in the Christian community, and is the foundation of a great deal of Christian bigotry. For the time being, however, bigotry is not enough justification to subvert the consti.tution. Throughout the ongoing debate over the definition of marriage, Right Wing bigots have cited the damage caused by hom.ose.xuality and hom.os.exual relationships in an attempt to justify legal discrimination against gays.The scientific evidence on the matter is out there. (It has been for many years.) Had we simply trusted evidence years ago, there would be no more debate — at least no debate worth taking seriously. Sadly, very few people are aware of the evidence, and wouldn’t know where to find it if they wanted to look. This article presents some of the most compelling conclusions from recent scientific studies.
      Children of Gays: One of the most common accusations is that children of gay parents are more likely to suffer developmentally, more likely to become gay, or more likely to have emotional problems. In 1996, Mike Allen and Nancy Burrell published a peer reviewed study on the subject. They found the following: ”The results demonstrate no differences on any measures between the heteros.exual and hom.ose.xual parents regarding parenting styles, emotional adjustment, and se.xual orientation of the child(ren). In other words, the data fail to support the continuation of a bias against hom.ose.xual parents by any court.” (The full text is available through PsychNet if you’d like to read it. There is a modest fee for membership.)In 2006, Gregory Herek replicated the conclusions: ”The data indicate that same-se.x and heter.ose.xual relationships do not differ in their essential psychosocial dimensions; that a parent’s se.xual orientation is unrelated to her or his ability to provide a healthy and nurturing family environment.” (Also available through PsychNet.) In 2001, Judith Stacey and Timothy Biblarz discovered something rather startling. While children of gay and lesbian parents don’t “become gay” any more than children of heterose.xuals, daughters of lesbian couples do display one very different behavior: They play better with male children and have more gender-neutral views of society. (Isn’t that what we want? For women to choose their own destinies sans gender impositions?) “53 percent (16 out of 30) of the daughters of lesbians aspired to careers such as doctor, lawyer, engineer, and astronaut, compared with only 21 percent (6 of 28) of the daughters of heterose.xual mothers.”Overall, Stacey and Biblarz found that “Lesbigay parents and their children in these studies display no differences from heteros.exual counterparts in psychological well-being or cognitive functioning.”
      Adult Gay Relationships: Failing to prove that children are harmed by having gay parents, many Christian bigots will go on to claim that ho.mose.xual relationships are “inherently” less stable, less emotionally fulfilling, and psychologically damaging. This claim is also contradicted by the evidence.A 2003 empirical study by Gottman, et al, of the interaction between heter.os.exual and ho.mose.xual couples found that “same-s.ex couples actually demonstrated more positive (and fewer negative) behaviors during their interactions than did married couples.” The 2003 study had a small sample, so Roissman, et al, conducted a more thorough and broader series of studies in 2008. They found “individuals in committed same-se.x relationships were generally not distinguishable from their committed heterose.xual counterparts, with one exception–lesbians were especially effective at working together harmoniously in laboratory observations.”Empirical evidence for actual levels of infidelity in either hete.rose.xuals or ho.mose.xuals is very difficult to come by. Varying cultural and ethnic definitions, self-reporting bias, and social concerns have rendered the body of evidence difficult to interpret. At best. There is no data available for divorce rates among gays — since gay marriage has never been allowed in the U.S. However, it’s important to note that there are no reliable studies linking hom.ose.xuality with higher levels of relationship infidelity.Recent publications have questioned the reality of monogamy as a historical tradition. In The Myth of Monogamy, Barash and Lipton present a compelling (and cross-disciplinary) argument that heteros.exual couples have never been paragons of fidelity to begin with. In other words, it appears that lots of people — both gay and straight — cheat. The Roissman study backed up this conclusion with the observation that both gay and straight couples’ relationship satisfaction was based more on non-se.xual factors like parental support and modeling. Not se.xual orientation.In short, the arguments from the Christian bigots fail. They do not reflect reality, but rather a religious ideological agenda. There is no evidence whatsoever that gays are inherently less healthy, happy, or faithful than straights. There is no evidence that children of gays suffer any harm. In fact, there’s reasonable evidence that children of lesbians are more socially accepting and well adjusted — especially girls."

      June 4, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      Truth, you're speaking the truth!

      but you do know that christians are allergic to facts?

      June 4, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Joe

      Holy Crap! That was long, and had nothing to do with "sin". "Sin" is doing anything against the will of God, I.e., if you believe God isn't down with the man love, it's a sin. All the science in the world doesn't make it not a "sin". You can't argue two viewpoints reached with different methods.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Oz in OK

      "...while we do not persecute the sinner, we do not support the sin." Bull! There are tens of thousands of California citizens who felt first hand the persecution of the LDS church. I'd say 'Ask THEM if they felt persecuted by the LDS church's heavy involvement in the Prop H8 campaign' but you never will.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
  20. Keith

    Isa 5:20 ¶ Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    June 4, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

      Christians like you have always been on the wrong side of civil rights and morality. Duh!

      June 4, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Keith

      Morality? By what definition? Yours? I think the verse speaks for itself.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Where does that quote say a word about hom0s3xuality, Keith?

      By the way, have you figured out that Obama isn't a Muslim yet?

      June 4, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What is "immoral" about hom0s3xuality, Keef?

      June 4, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Morality? By what definition? Yours? I think the verse speaks for itself."

      African American and women civil rights. The experts have shown that being gay is NOT a mental illness, it's NOT a choice, and it CAN'T be voluntarily changed. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      Loving respectful gay couples deserve the same equal civil rights as you, since they are just as NORMAL as you.

      June 4, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • Keith

      Tom, Evidently a Kenyan muslim at that.
      http://www.wnd.com/2010/05/150505/
      Watch the video of clip of his wife.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Keith

      Tom, I tend to let God define the standard since man's heart is too wicked to do so(mine included). If I don't trust my own flesh to set the standard then why the hell would I let the LBGT crowd or you do it?
      Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
      Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Keith

      Prove your god exists first, then it can be discussed on whether his standard is actually just or fair (here's a hint: it isn't either).

      June 4, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Oz in OK

      Yes Keith, all the 'Christians' who call discrimination 'morality' and committing false witness against your LGBT neighbors are perfect examples of how true that verse is.

      June 4, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      World NUT Daily???OMG, I couldn't make this sh!t up.

      What a moron.

      June 4, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When do you plan to learn how to read, KEEF? I asked about the passage you FIRST CITED. Can you figure out how to answer the question, or are you going to continue proving yourself to be a complete idiot?

      June 4, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Keith

      Look you kool-aid-chugging Jezebel, I'll take Obama's own words, "my muslim faith" and his wife's words of, "Barack's home country of Kenya" as witness against him. You can't make that up, either. They are their own worst enemy. But the with the compliant media, this impostor will rub this in our face as he gets bolder each piece of evidence that the media refuses to investigate. Hell, Russian news sources are more reliable on this issue.

      June 4, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Keith

      Morons like you, Jezebel, probably think that everything is just fine at Fukushima, too. Because cnn and fox aren't reporting how one of the reactor cores liquified 100%-something never seen in the history of nuclear power. I could go on, but you won't believe it because if cnn isn't talking about it, then everything must be fine. You are an Obama-worshipping, kool-aid-chugging, commie, Tommie.

      June 4, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • peridot2

      Keith, one can't pick and choose from Leviticus. Either one keeps *all* the laws or none of them.

      June 4, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      peridot, you might as well talk to a brick. KEEF has all the sense God gave a turnip.

      June 5, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Besides, Keef is a racist POS who thinks the National Enquirer is a great source of facts. The boob honestly still thinks Obama is a Muslim. It just galls him that there's a black Democrat in the White House. He blows his gasket every time someone asks him about it.

      June 5, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • phillip phillips

      @keith
      . Thou doesn't lie with mankind, as thou lies with womankind.
      It's usually one or the other.
      a gay man only lies with mankind.
      A gay woman only lies with womankind.

      June 5, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Keith

      Jezebel, Wrong again. Is not Obama just as much white as he is black? Skin color has absolutely no bearing on this. Political partisanship has absolutely no bearing on this. This man is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. No one knows who this guy actually is. There is tons of evidence to indicate that he was in-eligible to run in the first place-but knuckleheads like you are willing to turn a blind eye to the evidence. Your blindness in caused by Satan. How's it feel to know your just a pawn of the prince of this world?

      June 5, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • WASP

      @"Keith
      Morality? By what definition? Yours? I think the verse speaks for itself.
      June 4, 2012 at 6:16 pm"

      i think this verse speeks for itself.....

      In the Book of Proverbs (Mishlai), King Solomon stated that the Lord specifically regards "six things the Lord hateth, and the seventh His soul detesteth." namely:
      1.A proud look.
      2.A lying tongue.
      3.Hands that shed innocent blood.
      4.A heart that devises wicked plots.
      5.Feet that are swift to run into mischief.
      6.A deceitful witness that uttereth lies.
      7.Him that soweth discord among brethren.

      June 5, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • derp

      "Tom, I tend to let God define the standard since man's heart is too wicked to do so(mine included)."

      And then he quotes a book written by man.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      KEEF thinks Obama is Kenyan and a Muslim. No, really! He believes it!

      Why would anyone be surprised when a nut less cretin makes a proclamation based on crap he sees on Faux News?

      June 5, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Keef the Birther. What a hoot that there are really people this silly.

      June 5, 2012 at 10:44 am |
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