June 4th, 2012
05:43 PM ET
We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmed
By Ismael Estrada, CNN
Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) - About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals.
The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven."
The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on.
At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy."
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In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video.
A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video.
The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises.
Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online
The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats.
No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor.
The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches. Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin.
The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.”
The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate.
The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy.
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"I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody.
"They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible."
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Question to Bootyfunk:
Who was the book of Leviticus originally addressed to?
oh is this where you use the excuse that the OT means only Jews?
No but you talked about it like only Christians adhere to that portion of the Bible. Leviticus is part of the Torah as well
"No but you talked about it like only Christians adhere to that portion of the Bible. Leviticus is part of the Torah as well"
Ok, so jews suck too.
Under the system of peer-review, a researcher submits findings to a journal for publication. Along with a review by editors, the article is sent to several specialists in the field.
These reviewers are not paid for their time, their names are usually not published, and their comments usually remain secret. They are usually not allowed to contact the researchers directly to ask questions, and they do not try to replicate the research.
But peer review also lacks consistent standards. Procedures vary among the world's 10,000 or so journals. A peer-reviewer often spends about four hours reviewing research that may have taken months or years to complete, but the amount of time spent on a review and the expertise of the reviewer can differ greatly, especially at lesser-known journals.
"It has been bandied about as a sort of 'Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval,' " said Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine. "It is only as good as the peer-reviewers and editors."
brothers and sisters, as you follow the instructions in the bible to kill g.ays, remember not to be h.omophobic about it. you wouldn't want to be labeled a bigot.
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." –Mark Twain
Our current president belonged to a church for over 20 years that would teach hate... and we still elected him.
Where does it say to kill gays in the Bible, because I haven't read that ever nor have I been taught that in my church.
If you claim to be Christian why don't you try READING your own holy book for once?
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Again... try READING YOUR OWN HOLY BOOK IF YOU CLAIM TO BE OF SAID FAITH! How in the hell are you a Christian and have never actually read the book that tells you HOW TO BE a Christian? Seriously? I understand that you are probably lazy and haven't read a book cover to cover since grade school but perhaps you should maybe TRY to get through your holy book. LEARN, EDUCATE YOURSELF... I know... so difficult for you to actually do something that requires you to THINK FOR YOURSELF... like most Christians... you seem content on being a sheeple rather than being an intelligent and knowledgeable human being.
Heaven Sent is obvioulsly a troll of the worst sort... one who uses God's name to preach hate. (Which by my understanding goes against everything God should stand for). Let's just ignore and not give him/her anymore material to feed the EGO.
while i applaud you coming down on hate, i'm wondering how much of the bible you've read.
"Which by my understanding goes against everything God should stand for"
God kills the first born children of egypt to punish the pharoah. babies. God kills babies. there are many many more examples of heinous actions like this in the bible. how do you reconcile these atrocities with the idea of a 'loving' god? serious question.
oh wait a minute, are you christian? my mistake if you are not.
Come on bootyfunk, you are being disingenuous. You know Pennylanie, in referring to Christianity, is excluding the old testiment as being pre-Christianity – which it is. Your old testiment crimes and murders in the name of God if not by God, are not relative to true Christians – i.e. those who followed the teachings of Jesus, rather than any church raised in his name. You have raised a straw mad argument that you then precede to demolish. So what. It's got nothing to do with Pennylanie's comments.
David: It is one thing to argue that the rules of the Old Testament don't apply to current Christianity - they don't, because Jesus over-turned them in creating the New Covenant (something that Christians seem to only remember when people point out the absurdity of the OT, but forget when they want to use passages from the OT to condemn someone). However, it is the same God in the OT, whether or not his actions were pre-Christianity. Are you trying to argue that God was an terrible guy in the OT, but he matured and changed in the New Testament? That certainly doesn't seem consistent with an all-knowing or all-powerful God. Yes,God's laws changed with the arrival of Jesus, but that doesn't change erase the fact that he spent much of the OT committing horrible atrocities. Jesus died to erase our sins, not God's.
"God kills the first born children of egypt to punish the pharoah. babies. God kills babies"
He kicks puppies too.
Honestly, god seems like a total d ick.
the just preach bigotry....
no 'god' told them to do that... this is mans bigotry interfering with their 'gods' word
according to the bible, god DID tell christians to hate g.ays. leviticus. 20:13, i think. supposed to be the perfect word of god, no?
I think I would fit right in at this church,.....
You are right, you are Adolph Hitler.......
I find it funny that "Heaven Sent" keeps mentioning "Jesus' truth" when Jesus said absolutely nothing on the matter.
Yep! Good post.
Please don't express your opinion on this story,.. – just send this church money, and the more, the better..!
So the church says it doesn't preach/teach hate. Well, actually; yes it does preach/teach hate. It goes something like this; "Believe like we believe and act like we do and you go to heaven. Deviate in any way and you will go to h ell." That's it. Just a bunch of haters, hating in the name of the bible and God.
Actually they don't say that. That's what you hear when you hear the message of Jesus though because shooting the messenger relieves you of the responsibility of heeding the message. That message is that Jesus saves us and therefore we're going to heaven. You can too and that choice is yours and yours alone. I, for one, won't condemn you if you don't want to come along for the ride. If I invite you to a dinner, why would I be mad or be down on you because you say no? It's an invite, that's all. Good for you if you come along as you might have a good time, but ultimately the choice is yours. I agree that some people may send that message a little strongly but that has nothing to do with the message. It has to do with human weakness though and most Christians...at least the ones I know..are very much aware of their faults and weaknesses. Nothing wrong with telling someone they are coming on a little strong, either. But that's no reason to close your mind to the message itself. There's a truth there you're blocking out because you don't like the messenger.
It has nothing to do with the messenger and wholly to do with not believing your particular truth.
"Shooting the messenger" is just another blah, blah, blah, excuse to justify the hatred that many churches condone. I don't really care what you want to believe. If it makes you feel better to believe in christianity, go for it. But this is hate mongering and dressing it up in pretty words or telling anyone who speaks out against it that they are somehow "mistaken" just makes you part of the problem.
Wait until they don't kiss Hank's back side, and he kicks the snot out of them. They'll see.
You remind me of what Jesus said:
‘Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
‘Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Remember everyone is on level ground before God ie we are all sinners in need of Grace. The difference between those who get it and those who don't is that those who get it know how desperately they need Grace.
Remember the parable of the tax collector and the Pharisee praying? Only one went away forgiven.
Remember Jesus' harshest criticism was for those who claimed to know him. As always God always cleans house first.
"Remember Jesus' harshest criticism was for those who claimed to know him."
sounds like you're screwed then.
Not screwed, just real.
To walk the walk after Jesus is not something you do in your past time.
You are all in or you are not.
You care about what God cares about- people.
You own up to your weakness that you are messed up and in need of help.
Why do you think outcasts flocked to Jesus?
He called out the religious folks on their mess (i.e. those who claimed to know God)
and never despised people who truly accepted they were in need of help
"He called out the religious folks on their mess (i.e. those who claimed to know God)
and never despised people who truly accepted they were in need of help"
translation: "He never despised people that joined the cult." wow, that's special. all you have to do is believe in a god that doesn't exist and join a cult and jesus won't condemn you to hell forever. yeah, sounds like a great guy.
Are you retarded?
Very well put!
So, those who know Jesus so well, who do you think he would stand with if he returned today?? The haters or the ones being hated on.
Sad fact, you can't fix stupidity or ignorance. I feel for little girl that has been fed this hatred.
You can try to shove logic down the bigots throat but they just quote random stuff out of the bible rather than coming up with a thoughtful argument.
hard to say, really. jesus said some great things about love, but he supported slavery and at the end days kills children.
that is a bad excuse the religious use not to have to deal with an argument present. you assume because someone posts a quote that their is no well-thought out intent behind it. bad assumption. studies show that atheists have read more of the bible than the christians that supposedly lead their life by it. in other words, atheists generally have considered both sides.
True but unfortunately people tend to throw on random bible quotes without really explaining the whole thing or why in fact they support it or feel it is relevant. If you post a quote and there is thought behind it and some added words of why, well great! If you just post something in the middle of a conversation and leave it at that, well that is fine and dandy but unless you interpret the meaning as to how it relates, it is like me posting specs about cars. Nice but no real point to it.
you should turn that critical eye on the religious, too. how many religious quotes do you think get posted when it's obvious the poster hasn't read the bible, certainly hasn't read it with a religious, historical and skeptical study guides. and you can't expect a giant post explaining every bible phrase. that's a little over the top. and some phrases from the bible stand on their own.
What "makes" a good person? A "good person" still lies cheats steals etc.
No one is perfect..time to face that fact atheists..
I don't need to be a christian to lead a moral and good life. Sorry but no one needs the bible to be a moral person. You just need a sense of what is right and what is wrong. Some people need church for it and some people don't. Not everyone needs to fit into your cookie cutter world.
When has an atheist said that humans are perfect? Point one out and I'll call him/her a complete idiot in an instant.
ummm... what fact are we not facing?
Huh? What does this have to do with Atheism? And, well, no. At death an Atheist doesn't believe. They do what -everyone- does. They die, having lived their life for better or worse.
That's only true for you. The people I associate with are atheists, theists, agnostics, and seekers and they don't lie, cheat and steal like those you associate with evidently.
Um, I don't think so. There's far too much evidence that man created religion to control others. Too many religious myths have been debunked for me to believe any of that hocus pocus garbage. Still, I don't hate you religious people even if I do find your religion to be more than a little kooky. Realizing one's mortality can be uncomfortable for a lot of people, so they lean on religion to keep themselves from going insane. I can respect that.
As an atheist, you discover you have to answer to yourself for what you do to others. You cannot be unjust and expect to get off the hook by having an omnipotent supreme being to forgive you for the "devil’s" influence. It is YOU who must maintain integrity. That is what most Christians get completely backwards. Atheists can be much more understanding of what they must be as fellow humans
Okay if a "good" person lies cheats and steals then in what way is he actually "good"? Is a "good" person a person who agrees with you?
I do not think the word "good" means what you think it means.
As I've mentioned on other boards, I don't need a sky boogie man, the big book of scary fairy tales and myths, and threats of eternal damnation to tell me that killing, lying, cheating, stealing etc. are wrong. I may not be perfect, but I know right from wrong without religion and its hypocritical "loving god".
And yes, I've studied the bible. Probably more than most ministers and definitely more than any priest I've ever met. I spent 50 years as a believer. Of course, someone will probably tell me I never really believed. That's usually the typical response. As if you even know me.
I'm having a tremendous amount of fun inserting grammar into your last sentence:
"Time to face that, fact atheists!" Yes, I would most definitely classify myself as a "fact atheist" hahaha
"Time to face that fact, atheists?" Nope, sorry I have abusy day ahead of me.
"Time to face That Fact Atheists." I'm sure that TFA organization is formidable.
@shadow...best post today.
More to the video, he says? Hmm. Maybe they promised to feed the homos too?
The Big Lie as practiced by the modern faux Christian – " love the sinner, hate the sin ". Then they go on their merry way preaching ignorance, hatred, and bigotry.
Love the Christian, hate their ignorant bigoted religion.
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Yeah, I love that one. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Oh and by the way, you're going to hell. Love ya, though!
Smooth words from the pulpit to instill fear and bigotry. Pass the collection basket.
That should convince another 50,000 people to reject religion and embrace secularism.
Yes, end of days where famine is rampant on this blog.
Can only hope it's 500K. One day, those religious idiots are going to feel like fools.
"Yes, end of days where famine is rampant on this blog"
I don't think anyone here is particularly hungry.
"that's my boy!"
Those are the words of an intensely ho.mo.phobic father who desperately and ignorantly feels that his children's actions validate his manliness or machismo.
He is so glad to have taught his child an evil and hateful song and assumes that teaching this song to his kid means that the kid will never be gay – yet it is the child's DNA and not the bigotry he has burned into his child's head that will determine the child's actual orientation.
The whole thing is just sickening and sad. Teach your child to hate, to be a bigot, to be a racist, and you have destroyed a part of that child's innocence for your own overweening pride and selfishness.
That father deserves a millstone around his neck and a boat trip into deep water.
That would be water pollution
Well said...but rather than condone any kind of violence, which will teach that father nothing, simply take the child away from those parents.
Great discription of the pathetic father. Well done!
Have you thought about the possibility that the father went through the same indoctrination/abuse that he's now passing on to his son? That's probably the case, and it's a tragedy.
It would be a bitter pill, indeed, if this kid turns out to be gay. What will the father do?
Sadly we see these hateful people described as christians. And of course they are christians but all the christians I know are good people who would not hate and carry on like that. They should hang their heads in absolute shame.
JWT, you're doing a good job hanging your head in shame for not reading, comprehending and applying Jesus' truth to your life to live righteously.
Please don't persecute and discriminate against those our Lord God created gay...
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart
from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings
of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are
seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God
created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know
the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be
rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the
word of God and prayer.
Carnal carnal carnal carnal.
EndTheHate, God did NOT create anyone gay. That's a lie that won't fly with Jesus. Folks that lust in the flesh which is sin that happens to blind them are creating this lifestyle. Therefore, gay folks make themselves gay while they love and follow satan's lies and do not abide in Jesus' truth.
P.S. It's Jesus' ballpark ... and He wins.
And yet the bible you supposedly think is all true says that god creates everything according to his will.
Or just stop identifying as Christian and believing their nonsense....then they no longer have to hang their head in shame because they've finally escaped the delusion and turned their shame into pity for those who are still imprisoned.
Well HS i have nothing to be ashamed about when it comes to religion. You and I see very differently about it. There is nothing wrong with that either. I am not a christian, never was a christan either. Thus your concepts and books of religion do not apply to me and never will. The you do not accept that is 100% your problem and none of mine since I don;t care what you believe in unless you somehow try to make me believe in it. Like the JWs with your unrellenting message of unacceptance you would not be welcome at my door.
"Therefore, gay folks make themselves gay"
seriously, warn us before you say something so funny, i snort laughed so hard at this i almost did myself an injury.
I hide behind the words of men who claim to know the truth...therefore I claim to know it
"I hide behind the words of men who claim to know the truth...therefore I claim to know it"
Imagine that, I thought you were just a retard with a keyboard.
let's be real. they DO condone hate.
like most cowards, they are afraid to say it in public because the public doesn't agree with their archaic views on women and g.ays. so they are closet bigots. it's not that they aren't h.omophobic - they just got caught on video. so now they're saying "we don't hate anyone" and pointing to the halo over their heads. yeah, right.
how many times do you think anyone at this church has stopped someone spouting off about the 'f.ags' and said, "hey, it's not right to bash our g.ay brothers"? i'm guessing about zero times.
Bootyfunk, who do you think you're kidding? You non-believers are the ones that hate Jesus and anyone that love and follows His truth. Christians tell you His truth because you are blinded by your sins and refuse to repent to Jesus for your sinful ways. Instead of thanking. or, appreciating us, you hate us. The only thing left for us to do is to continue to love and follow Jesus as you choose not to love and follow Jesus' truth how to live righteously.
When will you get it through your thick skull, HS? Nobody "hates Jesus". But I don't see many folks here who can even stand you for more than a minute.
When it comes to jesus there is more than 1 truth. And I do not know anyone that hates jesus. In fact most people I know just do not care. The only reason to care is because some misguided groups of people are, many in the name if jesus, doing their best to deny people their civil rights. And civil rights are not a product of religion and somehow people need to see that
"You non-believers are the ones that hate Jesus and anyone that love and follows His truth. Christians tell you His truth because you are blinded by your sins and refuse to repent to Jesus for your sinful ways."
eterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."
Being gay is NORMAL which is why they deserve the same civil rights as straights.
the first word in that post should read Heterosexual
Oh, Tommie Tom doesn't want me to post Jesus' truth so her lies can reign supreme. Get a life.
While the rest of you are blinded by your sins....I am blinded by my ego. My EGO is greater than reality itself. I AM JESUS HALL MONITOR WARRIOR! In the name of Jesus I cast out demons and lay judgement on all of those around me. Only I know the truth while the rest of you wonder around like zombies and will burn for eternity.
I do not talk to God, rather God talks to me. He asks me what he should do. I open and share my EGO with God. He is most humbled.
You are all DARKSIDED.
Well phony heavensent ... have fun posting your lies. I'm going to have dinner now.
On the contrary, HS, I want you to continue to post; in fact I want you to post without ceasing. Because every time you do, you reveal yourself to be a hateful, horrible person who makes all Christians look bad. Pretty soon, those who are truly loving will decry you and your hatred and you'll be right where you belong: outside the fold.
HeavenSent said: " I AM JESUS HALL MONITOR WARRIOR!"
Pure comic gold. Jesus' hall monitor! LMAO!
I'm laughing so hard that I'm crying! Do you have one of those orange hall monitor belts with "Jesus hates gays" printed on it too?
Too frakin' funny!
Umm HeavenSent? When you talk to God it's called praying. When God talks to you it's called schizophrenia. Please take your Zyprexa.
"Instead of thanking. or, appreciating us, you hate us."
W don't hate you, we just think you are dumb.
THEY ARE PITS OF HATE AND EVIL AND SHOULD BE BANNED AS A HATE GROUP!
You own the hate due to wanting to continuing in your lust of the flesh which is sin. You non-believers crack me up as you hate the priest that are just as blinded by sin, as you are.
And you crack me up since you have absolutely no real information to ever give, merely judgements and condemnation (in the form of threats of eternal torture) for those who disagree with you
HawaiiGuest, I'm not the one blinded that Jesus is a fairy tale just so you can shove His truth under the rug. You own that lie and will fry because of it. Face His truth or hold on as you go down, down, down to the eternal flames. Puff ... no eternity for you.
P.S. You, as well as everyone knows Jesus is real. Bye, bye.
My EGO has spoken for all to hear!
More condemnations and wild assertions from you. Is that all you can really do? Do you completely ignore 1 Peter 3:15 where it calls all christians to provide reason for the hope you have, but to do so with gentleness and respect? But hypocritical stances are what you're known for isn't it HS?
And it also says in your "Unholy Book" that none may pass judgement except god. Oh I guess you're attempting to take the place of god HS.
Don't be jealous of my EGO. At the gates I will be next to God deciding who enters and who burns for eternity.
Posting under HeavenSent's name will only give her more ammo to actually avoid defending her belief with anything resembling logic or evidence.
Careful HawaiiGuest, you are walking a fine line with the Jesus Hall Monitor Warrior!
No logic will ever come out of that crazy head, never mind.
HeavenSent has a weird obsession with "carnal lust" and "lust of the flesh". I'm guessing HeavenSent is a per.vert who goes to church and acts all holy and pious, then goes home and pounds a plastic doll with "made in China" printed on her ass or faps to kiddie pr0n.
Telling people that Jeebus will fry them is its way of feeling better about being such an ass.hoel.
I think HeavenSent is one of those dumb w enc hes who got all fat and found god, only to have her husband run off with a younger girl. I know a couple guys whose wives got fat when they found jesus. Then they started caring more about god than s e x. Both guys dumped them for hot young nym phos. Both ex-wives now sound just like HeavenSent. Always blabbering about sin and lust because their husbands dumped the fatas ses for for hot young non-jesustards.
I think she is one of those weird overweight smelly religious cat ladies who has never had s e x. One shot across the chin and her tune will change entirely.
Sure, they don't condone hate. In their religion applause and cheering are a form of disapproval. The little boy came up with that all on his own, of course none of these fine upstanding Christians taught him those things.
Sally, you're the one not spending eternity with Jesus, but, that little boy will live a righteous life and spend eternity with Jesus. Roll all the eye nonsense you want. A lot of good that will do you.
How would YOU know, HS? Talking to god again? Did he tell you you're a witless boob? If not, that wasn't god.
Oh, look who flew in on her broom to spread her venomous lies against Jesus' truth? It's Tommie, Tom, who's going to fry just like all her buds for not loving and following Jesus' truth.
All Christians who aren't lazy and read Jesus' truth (the Bible) know what He wants from us. We're not blinded by carnal lust of the flesh sins. What's your excuse Tommie, Tom? Oh, you'd rather send your gay friends to the eternal flames because you refuse to learn His truth. Makes absolutely no sense for your laziness.
"We're not blinded by carnal lust of the flesh sins. What's your excuse Tommie, Tom? Oh, you'd rather send your gay friends to the eternal flames because you refuse to learn His truth. Makes absolutely no sense for your laziness."
That's why your so lazy to understand that the experts around the world have proven that being gay is NOT a mental illness, it's NOT a choice and it CAN"T be voluntarily changed. Part of reading comprehension 101 is putting the scriptures into historical context to get the real meaning but you're too lazy to do that too. Duh!
YeahRight, hide behind your experts who are humans ... none of them can justify their lies against Jesus' truth. Not even you.
Heaven sent, the only reason you are so obsessed about 'lust of the flesh' is because it is clear that you are a lifelong virgin who has never had a person physically interested in you. Sucks to be you because s-x is awesome! Too bad you are going to die a virgin.....
Carnal carnal carnal carnal.
Ha ha I always knew it. Hope you haven't reached the age of 30 because that is beyond humiliating and pathetic...
And s-x is definitely not carnal. I'm pregnant with my third beautiful (and thank goodness not brainwashed) child. God obviously wants me to procreate and not you....smart guy!!!!!
Sally, you're the one not spending eternity with Jesus, but, that little boy will live a righteous life beating and harassing kids taht are different like mittens. Roll all the eye nonsense you want. A lot of good that will do you his parents bigotry teeachings cant be undone.
YeahRight, hide behind your experts who are humans ... none of them can justify their lies against Jesus' truth. Not even you.
And I hide behind the words of men who claim to know the truth.
"We're not blinded by carnal lust of the flesh sins"
which in English translates to "I'm not getting laid".
HeavenSent is probably that weird 300lb fat lady that lives in the doublewide trailer up the street, smells like cheap perfume and baby powder, gossips about all of the hot girls, and spends all day every Sunday eating church bake sale cookies.
Fat weird bible thumper who never ever gets laid. One day she'll get some di ck and go off the deep end. She will instantly be the town w h o r e.