June 4th, 2012
05:43 PM ET
We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmed
By Ismael Estrada, CNN
Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) - About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals.
The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven."
The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on.
At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy."
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In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video.
A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video.
The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises.
Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online
The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats.
No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor.
The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches. Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin.
The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.”
The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate.
The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy.
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"I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody.
"They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible."
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Why do you worry about the spec in your brothers eye...or is this selective salvation?
"it's all in the bible".....no it really isn't "all" in the compilation of middle-eastern folklore.
"They love everybody"
It's a sin to lie.
Not hate, just opinion about the definition of sin. The church, boy, or songwriter are not expressing hate. They are simply expressing their opinion that it, is a sin and those who practice it, won’t go to heaven. Subst.itute drunkard or liar instead of h.o.m.o. in the song, are you still mad? There is some sin on this blog by those who through pride are getting ticked off every time someone says something in disagreement to their lifestyle. If you are at peace with what you do, why all the outrage?
If you can't see the hatred being spewed, you are part of the problem.
It's not ok to teach a child to call other human beings hateful or, at the very least, bigoted and derogatory names.
This child is going to grow up to be an intolerant bigot like the rest of the congregation.
Once again, being born gay is no more a sin, or immoral, or wrong, than being born left-handed or black.
Oh...Wait...Not that long ago, religious idiots claimed being born left-handed was a sign of the devil, and black was the mark of Cain.
Stick "innocent baby" in the song. Now what? Still just an opinion?
I was commenting on the specific story. However, I do agree there is lots of hate being spewed.
I don’t see that using the word h.o.m.o. which is just a shortened version h.o.m.o.s.e.x.u.a.l is in anyway hateful. He just said they are not going to heaven, clearly the writers opinion. You are correct though, if it is being taught as derogatory because we are to love our neighbor.
"If you are at peace with what you do, why all the outrage?"
Because these are the same people that want their supersti.tions to be law. If they said drunks and liars should not be able to marry would you still say it is just and opinion, or that drunks and liars should be put to death? The bible says that adulterers are just as wrong as gays are but show me the kids singing about that or the christian groups that want to outlaw marrage between people who have been previously divorced?
The bottom line is the christians are putting this 'sin' in a special catagory and then claim they don't actually put it in a special catagory.
Sad but true. Most Christians see it as sin, but it is not our place to try to correct nonbelievers.
Of course they are spewing hate, if you don't see it, you are part of the problem.
Mr. Brown, todays youth utilizes the word "ho mo" as an insult. It's like instead of saying sodomite you say buttf***er.
Well, that wouldn’t make any sense at all, biblically.
Robert – you fundiots CAN'T correct folks into believing being born gay is a sin, because you môrons don't have a scientific leg to stand on. You purposefully choose to ignore science in favor of bronze-age myths written by shepherds who were totally ignorant about the science of sèxual orientation.
I don’t see that using the word h.o.m.o. which is just a shortened version h.o.m.o.s.e.x.u.a.l is in anyway hateful.
Hey empty-head, if the word "h0m0" isn't derogatory, isn't slanderous, isn't a pejorative, why do we all need to misspell it, in order to utilize it in an open forum? We don't seem to need to do that with the term "drunk".
So by your logic, isn't ni.g.ger just a variation on ne.gro, or ne.groid?
"There is some sin on this blog by those who through pride are getting ticked off every time someone says something in disagreement to their lifestyle." You said it, hater, now OWN it.
"religious idiots claimed being born left-handed was a sign of the devil, and black was the mark of Cain." That's why they liked Herman Cain, you know. He admitted it.
"religious idiots claimed being born left-handed was a sign of the devil, and black was the mark of Cain."
Explains the hatred of Obama by the Fundamentalists... he's both black and left-handed.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I could insert a quote from the Flying Spaghetti Monster (here) and it would be less ridiculous than your post, and funnier too.
You have some nerve calling my flesh "strange"! As William Shakespeare wrote in his classic Romeo and Juliet, "I am a pretty piece of flesh when I stand!"
So what? I can find a book that says all Jews are evil and should be erradicated (Mein Kamph).
The question is whether it is morally right. Think for yourself.
fornication = voluntary sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other.
That scripture is talking about adultery and has NOTHING to do with gays as we know and understand it today. LMAO!
I'll see your Jude, and trump your rump with my Ezekiel – 16:49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
Nope – don't see anything about gays in there. In fact, it perfectly describes each and every one of you ignorant fundiot talibangelical tea baggers.
And then the last rightous man, Lot, went and got drunk and f***ed his 2 daughters....
And then the last rightous man, Lot, went and got drunk and f***ed his 2 daughters
Traditional biblical marriage, one drunken father and two daughters.
Idolator! All you worship is a book! Hypocrite! God created everything, who are you to judge? Book Worshipper, Idolator, if you really believe in a one god, ditch the friggin book and get to know god, whatever that is. Muslim hate-spewers are the same as Christian hate-spewers, you just quote a book as though it should mean something- your Golden Calf! It's a book you worship, a book, not a god! Clarify yourself, and abandon the dam single-source information paradigm. Face your fear, understand it, and become a better human. QUIT WORSHIPPING A BOOK!!!
PrimeWonk for President 2012....!!!!
No surprise...just Christians being Christians. Hate while hiding behond a zombie on a piece of wood.
What is ironic is that the "hate the sin, love the sinner" quote is actually from Gandhi, yet he's the one that going to hell. It's really makes you think (except if you are Christian....)
Love the believer, hate the belief.
Christians are idiots.
Hopefully this will all be moot shortly. The 9th declined en banc review of Prop 8. This mean the fundiots have 90 days to decide on sending it to SCOTUS. Many expect SCOTUS to rule 5-4 with Kennedy being (again) the swing vote. Here's the kicker – Kennedy wrote the majority opinion (6-3) in Romer v. Evans. In order to uphold Prop 8 and legalize discrimination, Justice Kennedy will have to overturn his own ruling!
Time to pull the plug on tax exemption of churches.
Considering the economic situation our country is in, you'd think this topic would at least come up in the media. Yet I never hear any talk of it. I guess it's still too taboo... especially with elections looming...
Tax the hell out them!
Agreed. Tax them like the Romans taxed Jesus' back...
Tax them like anybody else.
One thing is very true about these infernal s-o-d-o-m-i-t-e-s, and especially those at C-N-N, they hate to hear the truth, how else could they s-o-d-o-m-i-z-e themselves and eat s-h-i-t like eating a piece of bread if they didn’t live a lie. The temporary pleasure you are experiencing in this lifetime is not worth the ETERNAL torment awaiting you in h-e-l-l, remember that if you don’t turn away from your s-i-n you will definitely burn in h-e-l-l for ever and ever.
Wow... what an evil bigot. Troll elsewhere. You are a disgusting human.
Feeling that wonderful christian spirit of love?
Hmmm Sodomy = : anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
Your bible does not condemn gays as we know and understand it today. Duh!
Thanks, Hen, anything is fine as long as you promise not to show up. Your thoughts are gruesome.
Henry, did God tell this to you directly or did you read this from writings of men? You have ZERO credibility and only your wishful thinking and faith in man. Good luck to you...enjoy your life...calls us from the "other side".
That's a whole lotta' STUPID you got there, Henry old boy.
That's a whole lotta' STUPID you got there, Henry old boy.
Christians have no concept of how foolish they sound when they quote the writings of men as the authority regarding the thoughts of the God/s. lol As foolish as a person quoting Harry Potter to them si as foolish as they look to the rest of the world.
What's up with Hen's s-c-a-t fascination?
Methinks that Henry doth protest too much.
Religion and belief in a god is an abhorrent proclamation of an unfounded truth. It is destructive to its foundation. It robs intellect, reason and logic. It is not good for our species, for humanity, for animals or for our earth. It paralyzes the ignorant with hopes and fears of an afterlife. It's all a lie. It is perversion at its best for what lies within the facade of goodness and morality is nothing more than control and greed for the perpetuation of the madness. This is a disease ladies and gents, hopefully science will find a cure.
It's great to see the right wing conservative Christians rearing such productive members of society for the future generations. Keep up the fantastic work....lunatics.
Just another day on the "why religion sucks" calendar.
yep! CNN loves to do this.
Hopefully it catches on...!!
"yep! CNN loves to do this"
I though it was the redneck mouth breathers who were breeding the miniature jesustards?
When did CNN start having children sing anti g ay songs?
I always love the excuse... "It's all in the Bible" Like that means anything. I found this yesterday and thought it started off hilarious and ended nicely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=cPE_PIxadAY
People need to understand the difference between Christians and CULTS that call themselves christians. BIG.. B I G... difference!!!
I think the christisn cults would have a much harder time existing if the christian mainstream weren't around to provide them with some cover and lagitimacy.
One group believes that a magical sky man created the universe, made people in his image that he knew would break rules that he made up, then became his own father by forcing himself on a virgin, so he could sacrifice himself to himself to forgive the rules he knew his own creation would break when he made both the rules and his creation. Oh, and they hate g a y people.
The other is exactly the same, minus the last part, although some still think g a y people will burn in hell.
No, it's all the same. Both groups need a mythical being to help guide their moral compass. Mine works just fine on its own, as do many people's.
Awesome, one christian calling other christians "cults". I didn't even have to do it, they are now eating their own.
Victor, Christians are a cult.... it was a cult created from the Torah.
Churches such as ATT will either adapt, or disappear.
As we inch closer to marriage equality through various legislatures, ballot boxes, and courts a new fear is emerging within church congregations and entire religious organizations.
Stronger than the fear of the gays themselves, church leaders are beginning to fear divide and dissension within their own ranks as the nation around them evolves. Gay family members and friends around them will be marrying, building families, and finally sharing in all the rights and privileges of being an American citizen. As cultural acceptance grows, no one will want to be left "on the wrong side of history" or ever admit to being against equality for fear of shame.
The entire conflict will quietly fade away without fanfare or announcement, just as birth control and divorce have gained unacknowledged acceptance in the larger Catholic population.
Isn't is ironic, that they're the ones who ended up having the "choice".
There have been many studies that show the highest incidence of child molestation and incest occur in evangelical families.
Christians and Mormons have the highest
QUOTE: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.”
So they teach both hate AND dishonesty.. brilliant!
It is not that you are without sin, for none are, its whether you will forgive those who have sinned, and let them be – or will you stone them, and damn your soul for all eternity?
God lets you decide....
The bible tells us to stone some people:
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16"
The bible says those without sin cast the first stone.
The bible says we all are sinners, therefore no one can stone anyone.
The bible says to stone people (see above).
Establish sin is an actual thing – until then, who cares what anyone thinks is sin? Everyone can make up whatever they want to be sin, and I still won't give a s**t.
Your prostîtute story is a fable. It doesn't appear in the original versions of John. It was added in much later.
Your god demands that you fundiot followers go and kill gay folks. Why are you refusing his commands?
"God lets you decide...."
UH not really.
Because god is all knowing, god knew before creating any of us that we would make the decision(s) that we do, and are GOING to make. Knowing this god made us anyway. In the stict sense xtians notion of free will is a myth.
I'm without sin as are most Atheists. Sin is biblical and given that we reject the buybull, we usually reject sin/heaven/hell/souls/god/jesus; etc. Everyone makes mistakes in this world that they must answer to the consequences of while enjoying the only life they have. Maybe if you could think without the use of the buybull, you might understand reality.
@Letthehumanblahblah, That is so full of nonsense. I feel sorry that you believe such tripe as you spout, out of your butt no less.