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June 4th, 2012
05:43 PM ET
We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmedBy Ismael Estrada, CNN Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) - About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals. The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven." The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on. At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video. A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video. The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises. Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats. No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor. The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches. Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin. The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.” The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate. The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter "I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody. "They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible." soundoff (3,151 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 Next »
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To hate someone for being gay is the same as hating someone for being left-handed or for having flaming red hair. They are minorities and easy targets for the hatemongers. Please quit quoting the Bible–or should I say misquoting the Bible. Better yet, abusing the Bible. It is a great work of fiction with a great deal of history and a greater deal of nonsense.
http://kenyansagainstgays.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/gay_data2.jpg?w=584
pulledoutofmyazzdotcom
Equally valid and probably more fragrant.
Tom why are you so bitter towards me? Is it because you know I'm right about all of this?
Guess again.
I hate to see you so confused, Bethany.
It's her perpetual state. It's not your fault. It's hers.
Bethany, imagine being labor and your Doctor is gay. Gonna quit, and say nope, he's evil, I'll just tuck this baby in. Or how about you almost drowned, and the lifeguard is gay? Because he's gay and trying to save your life not because it's his job but what he can do to make others happy or whatever, you're going to get up and tell him no thanks, your an abomination.
What if say you have a brother and he's gay, burn him?
You people disgust me.
Why do people like Bethany and that "reverand" in NC constantly spew bate and then accuse other people of hating them?
I think it's some kind of mental illness
"Tom why are you so bitter towards me? Is it because you know I'm right about all of this?"
No its because your a r3tar..ded religious bigot.
Very soon the California case will be in the Supreme Court. I am confident that the conservatives on the Court will prevail, and that will be the end of the ho-mos-exual agenda once and for all.
Sorry – no luck, the DOMA will be overturned and all states and the federal government will have to recognize gay marriage for the same reason that bans on interracial marriage were overturned.
You're "confident"?
God laughs.
Let's hope! We need to clean this country up and get it on a righteous path!
A good first step would be stuffing Bethany in an oil drum.
Not a chance!
Sez Petey the one-eyed trouser snake
Confident you know the future? Interesting. I thought only God knows that. What a horrific sin of pride. Enjoy hell when you get there
Bethany – what this country needs is for you to leave. You'll fit in really well with the others in hell....Hitler. Stalin. al Assad
"Let's hope! We need to clean this country up and get it on a righteous path!"
Yeah like:
Beating women
Stoning Children
Discrimination
Bigotry
Slavery
War
Fear Mongering
Se..xual Abuse of Children
Ra..pe
Hear is an idea. Get your thick head out of the sand, open your eyes and start thinking critically instead of adhering to what your preacher and the MEN who wrote and then edited the bible say about god. It is all man made to control people like you.
Or they won't, and folks like Evangelical will not have government sanction of their bigotry
Bethany: Righteous path? Perhaps you have that savior marital aid jammed too far up there.
One of my favorite jokes –
Having religion is like having a pen.is
It's nice that you have one.
It's even OK if you love it, but don't go waving it around in public or try to shove it down my throat.
Although I do get disgusted by a church advocating hatred of any kind, I do have to agree with some of the folks here on the comment section that these people have a right to their opinions. Sure, some of their opinions are absurd, but that doesn't mean we should start bashing them over it. If we do that, then we are no different than they are for we are acting childishly against opinions we don't agree with. Case in point: the protests against the church that had the child singing anti-gay lyrics.
There are better ways to handle people who don't agree with you. It's called ignoring them. It's not that hard. Really. A chimp with only two brain cells with a single synapse can figure this out. We're more evolved than chimps, yet we can't figure that out? Dominant species on planet, my ***.
Don't forget, they are building strength to deny civil rights to gay men and women. That is the point of all this. They ARE the new KKK. We ARE the minority insisting that we be heard. To perceive it as meaningless rudeness back and forth for 40 pages is missing the pop fly ball..
Agreed, jb.
If you believe the "All Men are created equal", and you are willing to deny civil rights to a separate group because their commitments (and contractual rights) are not equal in the eyes of your religion, then guess what – you are UN-American.
Food for thought:
http://www.icwseminary.org/evil_abomination.htm
I spent some years in a seminary, and got a close look at the inner workings of organized religion. So I'll pass on your offer. Besides, some foods (for thought) are known to be poisonous substances when ingested to excess.
I *heart* you, jungle boo.
Oh, all right..!
Does your mommy know you're playing with the computer?
How terribly sad that a church would encourage a child to hate and sin! How sad they they are teaching these children to follow Satan and carry out HIS will, instead of the will of the Lord!
Interesting point. I always wonder if Xtians ever stop to think that maybe Satan is using them to ensure gays never convert, and the Xtians hate would send them to eternal damnation as well. I'm an atheist... just sayin' ..
Teach these children to follow their own moral compass and they will figure it out and end up being good people. Stop blaming the lord or the devil for your own behavior.
Religious indoctrination of the young is Child Abuse, because the child is deprived of the opportunity to say NO without the additional burden of being eternally damned to hell. Schools of Philosophy are preferable, where children are introduced to ideas for discussion, without a "right answer" forced upon them as a catechism. The ancient Greeks were on the right path, but had their philosophical understandings burned and buried under the literal dogma of the early church. Bring it all back. The 22nd century will thank all of us.
What is with these people?
It not what's "with" them, it's what isn't "with" them. An ounce of gray matter.
Reposting a comment that makes sense!
So we've come to the point where being against something, anything, equates to hatred. What a wonderful age we all live in.
People should be allowed to believe what they believe...period! Being against something doesn't equate to hate. Do the people who protested against this Church also hate? They have their opinion and they are against this Church preaching the Bible...so, do they hate these Christians whose opinions differ from their own?
The operative word here is "preach". It is an unfortunate fact that Christians are "called" to preach and convert. This is annoying to most human beings, because the concept infers that the Christian knows better, and the object of his dizzy spells is lacking in something real important. WRONG.
There are spiritual experiences that do not include converting or correcting someone else. If you bought into this habit, it's on you. Don't turn on us and accuse us of intolerance. We were minding our own business and working happily towards our own civil rights one step at a time. But then the dumbazz preachers in the dumbazz temples of doom get on their high horse and ignite their congregation to hoot and holler and save the world from what they consider evil.
So you have our attention. Don't like it? Make you feel like something is wrong? There is. Can you guess what it is !? You are trying to preach to the people who are logical, rational, intelligent, educated, experienced, and who are NOT the people in your pews.
That's a good word for those church seats. ...pew...
Bethany..I think you forgot to engage your brain when you started typing your response..this is not a group of people they are against a certain policy or unfair law..they are actively preaching hatred and bigotry under the guise of religion..just because it is being preached in a church does not make it right..hatred and bigotry disguised by anything is still hate and bigotry..if you are justifying teaching children this kind of ideology, then you Christians have a much bigger problem and you need to take a long hard look in the mirror for there you see a much bigger sinner..that of being a HYPOCRITE!
NS. Bethany doesn't have a 'brain'. Never did. Complete moron.
"Being against something doesn't equate to hate."
So if I am against blacks using the same restroom facilities, drinking fountains, and public transportation, I do not hate blacks and I am not a bigot? What if I am against blacks getting married or having any equal rights? Do I not hate blacks? Or am I just against blacks being equal? Thats what it ultimately comes down to...equality for ALL citizens of this country.
Don't like it? Maybe your church should start paying taxes.
I pray for all the cuel souls who atacked me in the comments section. I hope yall find the way to Christ!
"Cuel"??? Not only are you not real, honey, you post 'words' that don't exist.
What's your beef tom?
My "beef"? Don't have one. You?
I truly hope the 5hit you posted were lies Bethany. If not, you are one twisted piece of 5hit !
amen to that
Edwardo my words are not 5hit they are my opinions! Don't you have some restrooms you have to cruise or something?
Funny that "Troll Bethany" is attempting to pretend to be a real person.
OK, Bethany. I'll head on over to the unicorns and look for Jesus. I think he's playing poker with the leprechauns. Either that or he's exchanging pleasantries with the Tooth Fairy. In the meantime why don't you remove your head from your backside and sit down and read some Darwin.
We don't want prayers from evil people Bethany. Pray for an end to your own hats.
I'm amazed you can spell your name.
Lets all pray for Bethany to suffer from bigotry and hate...maybe she'll learn something.
Bethany...doesn't ot make you wonder at all that so many of us are calling you hateful? Oh right...too much like thinking...you don't have the ability.
I bet your as ugly on the outside as you are on the inside
Your entirely made of hate
Bethany: And we hope you pull your head out of your rectum
"Edwardo my words are not 5hit they are my opinions!"
Yet you deny people equal rights because you attribute your opinions to god. That makes you pretty arrogant
Just a bunch of ignorant people who refuse to listen when we tell them that being gay isn't a choice. They may as well be calling us liars. And if their god didn't know that being gay wasn't a choice then their god doesn't exist.
So true! I've ALWAYS known I was gay.. ALWAYS. I even had a secret bf during the last 2 years of high school. I love women, but am not interested in them romantically, physically, se xually, etc. Most of my friends are females.
Didn't this Jesus person say "Love thy neighbor as thyself?" I don't think he said "love only people who believe whatever distorted version of the Bible that you believe in." Most, if not all religions teach Love, tolerence, compassion and forgiveness It's the fringe elements that don't embrace these tenents that give religion a bad name!
I hope you also applythe same standards to yourself. 🙂
"Didn't this Jesus person say "Love thy neighbor as thyself?""
Who knows what Jesus supposedly said. His "words" were only written down 40-80 years after he died.
Christianity teaches love? sure in some parts, but hate, bigotry, discrimination in others.
Bethany- I'm just curious if you knew who touched you oldest son when he was a little boy to give him "the sickness"?
I feel so bad for her son. I can't imagine! My mom was a Pentecostal preacher. When I came out, it was a tough time. Not once was I shunned, mistreated.. we all got counseling, and ended up closer than ever. Bethany needs serious counseling.
"Bethany" doesn't exist. It doesn't "have a son" because it isn't a person. It's just some dweeb posting nonsense to elicit a reaction. Don't feed it.
That's wonderful edwardo, you were blessed with a great mother!!
I know Tom Tom... I'm just playing Dr. Phil. Actually, what I posted is true, about my past. I wanted to put that out there, to show anyone reading this, that no matter how hard it is, it's ok to be who you are. If I can do it, anyone can. I'm glad "fake" Bethany made the posts. It gave me a chance to put my experience on here.
Hey, Edwardo, I have nothing but respect for you. I am sad that you and many, many others had to endure so much.
Thanks Jen – She sure is wonderful. She rearranged her belief system, and our whole family benefited from it. I was so uncomfortable as a teen, then when the truth came out, it made us all stronger, more honest, much closer. I was starting to withdrawal, lying about who I was, contemplating suicide because of my shame. We had a great counselor.
Thanks again Tom Tom – that's why I'm on here... If I can help someone through the years it can take to come to self acceptance, it's all worth it. Xtianity made my teen years a frightening experience! Being tormented at school, then getting home, and being tormented from the pulpit... tough years for sure!
Edwardo...you totally rock!! Thanks for sharing
@Bethany – the love you have for your son is conditional? You're some spokes model. You are sick! Even an ol' dog would fight and die for its pups.
What a wonderful christian example. If he takes the Lord's name in vain does he get the same treatment? How about if he works on Sunday?
So we've come to the point where being against something, anything, equates to hatred. What a wonderful age we all live in.
You have the right to your opinions... as long as they don't stomp on my civil rights, and as long as they don't promote a violent agenda. Xtians have a long history of atrocities.
OK – if you are against gay-marriage, then give us a good reason it should be banned. Without resorting to god said you can't or that it's icky. Are you afraid that straight people will be tempted to become gay? Does it cheapen your marriage more than an Elvis and/or nude marriage?
Thank you for your voice of reason! I'd like repost! 🙂 Thanks
Well Bethany, didn't take long for your true bigot colors to fly did it? But as usual, a "christian" talking about things they know absolutely positively nothing about. But it's ok Bethany as long as you do it hiding behind the good book, right?
Bethany is so dumb she needs to be watered.
And I'll bet she won't even get the joke.
I don't hide behind the book I stand firmly upon it and its teachings and it says gays are evil!
Nah. You're just an internet troll. You don't believe a word you posted, honey. You're just farting.
Bethay's pi55ed because I slept with her bf. He said I was a tighter fk Bethany... that's gotta hurt.
Oh, nonsense "Bethanytroll." You're not a real person. You just post sh!te here to get a reaction. Glad it makes you imagine you're actually alive.
I also wonder....If this church and this childs family is so damned correct about their "TRUTH", why are they suddenly in hiding? Why not stand up for this so-called "TRUTH"?
Gays will never find their way to jesus
Better get a refund for that crystal ball, honey. It's defective.
That would depend on which christian you ask beth. There is no one answer.
Tom
Using the word honey? You must be one of them. Sorry you got touched as a child and now you've caught the sickness. Pray to the lord and find a good woman and you'll be fine.
God bless!
🙂 I am a woman. Married for 30+ years to a man I adore. Straight.
What do you have to say now, you witless dolt?
Better luck next time, Bethanyboob.
Bethany thinks hate speech is ok as long as its in the name of religion. Or as I call it...."being a typical christian".
Say it ain't so, Tom! : )-
Sorry Tom not buying it why else would you stand up for gays unless you are one?
Gee, I wonder... why would anyone stand up for African Americans, unless one were black? Why would anyone stand up for Jews, unless one were Jewish?
Maybe because it's the right thing to do, you sh1twit.
jungleboo, did I upset you???
Sorry Bethany. I'm married 22 years and my wife and I both support gay rights. Unfortunately she doesn't have a single gay bone in her body (a little would be nice!)
I believe that "Bethany", is, like many other 'plants', nothing more than a troll who posts from a devil's advocate point of view. Really, people, can't you do a little better than that? Pathetic.
Enlighten us Bethany. You say that the bible says "Gays are Evil". Please give us that passage where it specifically says GAYS ARE EVIL.
Lucky them
Why do you support something so vile? My oldest son came out to me last year and I told him that even though I loved him he would find no support from me until he changed his wicked ways. I pray for him everyday that he will meet a nice girl and give up his lifestyle so I can welcome him back into my home.
No kidding, NTJC. Who'd want to spend a minute, much less eternity, with someone like Bethany or HS?
The lake of fire looks more inviting every time I read one of their posts...
He's not welcome in your home??????? Wow.....what a terrible mother.
Is that what being a christian is? Throwing your child to the curb because he sinned? What if he takes the Lord's name in vain? Or works on Sunday? A sin is a sin right? Or does it just apply to the ones YOU judge as being worse??
Bethany,
Your non-existent god is more important than your son. Hopefully he understands he is better off this way.
I don't believe a word "Bethany" has posted. It's nothing more than a troll. It doesn't even have a son or a daughter. It's a phony figment posting to get a kick, a reaction, a response.
Get lost, herbie.
Yom you're the troll pretending to be a woman and attacking everything I say!
"Yom" ?!
Wow, Bethany Troll, get a grip.
Relax Bethany, it's not like you would toss your own kid out into the street.....oh yeah, guess you would. So did you say to yourself "What would Jesus do" before you turned your back on him?
Don't kid yourself. "Bethany" never had a kid, never had a marriage, never had a life. Bethany doesn't exist at all.
Probably right. But she sounds just screwed up and self rightous enough to be believable
"Bethany"..... I'm shocked. I didn't think they let loony's play on the computer at the asylum. My tax dollars wasted obviously!
Tom Tom, to me....to me..., you were Adam from the Sistine Chapel, all relaxed and sure of himself, kind of pointing around at things, all happy to be cool an' in control. Now that you are out of the closet, I can only think of Mary Poppins and "Spit Spot!", no nonsense, always a steady retort to the misbehavers. It will never be the same between us. I'm thinking Edwardo from now on, kind of bold and brash.
Oh, well. Life is full of disappointments.
"Gays will never find their way to jesus"
I hope not! There are enough crazy people on the planet. We don't need to add to the list.
OMG...Bethany...you think only gay people stand up for gay rights?
Even in NC about 40% of the people voted FOR gay marraige. So...40% of people inNC are gay...wow?
Percentages of people in other states are even higher.
I guess you're right..Gayness is contagious
Are you just some insane narcissist that craves attention? You just cant possibly be that stupid