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June 4th, 2012
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We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmedBy Ismael Estrada, CNN Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) - About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals. The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven." The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on. At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video. A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video. The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises. Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats. No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor. The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches. Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin. The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.” The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate. The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter "I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody. "They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible." soundoff (3,151 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 Next »
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Wow, the Xian troll fest is in full swing here. *gets popcorn*
These church members need to be taught two things
1. The LAW called 'Separation of Church and State'
2. The moral principle called 'Separation of Church and Hate'
All below categories are deviants:
– L G B T
– P*edophile
– N*ecrophiliac
– Polygamist/Polyandrist
– Incest
and all deviants deserve social shunning and NO legal protection
*yawn*
You can believe whatever you want, booblical. No one has to live by your superset itions and no one has to remain as ignorant as you are. These days, one can be educated with minimal effort and an open mind. Too bad you don't have the ability to use either.
My vote cancels out yours. So there.
Speaking of votes, how about this
Every man woman in the US gets to vote on whether marriage is between one man and one woman only.
Why is it that every time a referendum on such topis is sought, so-called gay rights people fight it tooth and nail? but if the referendum is to allow gay marriage then it is welcome? HYPOCRITS.
Good grief. I couldn't hope for a better advocate for gay marriage than you, Bibby. Do you know nothing? Look up "tyranny of the majority", you nitwit, and then go back to high school and take civics class AGAIN. This time, try to stay awake and use BOTH of your lonely brain cells. You fvckin' moron, how do you think blacks gained civil rights?
Dumb fvckin' idiot.
Oh, and if you can't even spell "hypocrites", you idiot, you don't have a right to vote. On anything.
Really, do you even know a single LGBT? No doubt you believe everything you read online. Lemming.
"All below categories are deviants:
– L G B T"
That's why the experts have proven you WRONG and you're nothing but a prejudice bigot.
Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."
YeahRight:
Read below article and tell me it doesnt disturb you. It talks about a conference that this person attended. Her bonafides arent the point of discussion. The conference is
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2011/08/theyre_mainstre.html
"Read below article and tell me it doesnt disturb you. It talks about a conference that this person attended. Her bonafides arent the point of discussion. The conference is
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2011/08/theyre_mainstre.html"
The fact that you don't know the difference between gays and pedophiles proves you're an idiot.
I know the difference, teahright
the psychological association called gay a disease years ago then said no its not (recently)
Now same thing is happening for pedophilia (as proved in my link). Doesnt that make you think what the goals of the psychological association are? ... is p*dophilia really OK?
"the psychological association called gay a disease years ago then said no its not (recently)
Now same thing is happening for pedophilia (as proved in my link). Doesnt that make you think what the goals of the psychological association are? ... is p*dophilia really OK?"
Dude the expert that you are trying to use has been proven wrong, especially in court and she has no real standing in the academic community, she is a right wing nut case for the Catholic Church. Duh! The gay community has hundreds of thousands of experts behind them. Duh! The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."
"the psychological association called gay a disease years ago then said no its not (recently)
Now same thing is happening for pedophilia (as proved in my link). Doesnt that make you think what the goals of the psychological association are? ... is p*dophilia really OK?"
Everything written about gays in the past were done by bias and prejudice people. That's the point! A gay relationship is about two consenting adults having a long term loving relationship with a family. A pedophile is about trying to have sex with children, a child can't consent and the relationship is harmful to the child, it's illegal. Wow are you really this stupid. Duh!
Reisman may be a "nut case" by your standards but the 'conference' she went to sounds very dangerous. If those are the standards of the 'psychological community' then they cannot be the the basis for saying h0mos3xuality is safe.
Whatever yo may think, I do not lack critical thinking capacity
Society = blocks of (man, woman + child)
Look up N A M B L A
see how they were assocated with early gay rights movements
This is the kind of stuff g a y s support
Wrong, liar.
Facts are facts. look up and do your research.
Easy to just say "wrong, Liar"
http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/10/09/harry-hay-nambla-and-associations/
I've read the bible, it says no such thing.
More bullsh!t. If you had right on your side, you moron, you wouldn't have to lie. NAMBLA has nothing to do with gay marriage, any more than polygamy has anything to do with Mormon belief. The more you lie, the less clout you have, dumbazz.
My response about the bible was meant for another post.
The GLBT community does not support pe.dop.hilia. This is the typical lying hate speech that some christians stoop to in their desperate attempt to justify their bigotry.
Please answer YES/NO only:
Isnt it true that the iconic gay figure Harry Hay supported N A M B L A?
More YES/NO questions :
Is it not triue that early gay leaders celebrated 'a – l – t – e – r – n – a – t – e s – e – x – u – a – l – t – i – e – s' thats why they supported N – A – M – B – L – A
Two can play that game. Answer yes or no. Was Hitler a christian?
Biblical, why do you have to lie to make a case?
@ Tom Tom
That's what christians do when they can't back up their claims with facts. They just make stuff up. Or they quote random bible verses.
No question, Bet. I find it despi cable and sad.
Bet : Hitler is not connected to this topic at all. Red Herring! The point is that gays supported this travesty (Alternates, N A M B L A, etc.) till they were caught with their pants down and tried to correct themselves.
"That's what christians do when they can't back up their claims with facts. They just make stuff up. Or they quote random bible verses."
I'm not making stuff up
or quoting any bible verse here.
Here is some academic research on this topic:
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/CALIF%20HEARING5.pdf
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/hatecrimes.html
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/06/gay_duke_univer.html
psychologist Eugene Abel's research found that h*mos*xuals “s3xually mole*t young b*ys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the mole*tation of girls. …” (looking for a reference for this)
clarifying point from above: when I said "tried to correct themselves" I meant they tried to publicly deny any association but continued privately, as the references in above posts prove.
More recent: http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2011/08/theyre_mainstre.html
Here's a wrench for ya. My straight, southern baptist father spent 13 years in a state pen for molesting two children ages 5 and 7. One girl and one boy. He told me how being gay was such a sin the last time we talked. Seems like he probably attends your church. We don't talk anymore. He is pathethic. As well he quotes the Bible and and references as you have. You have no facts to back you up. If you want his child watch link, I can send it you boob. FYI, I am gay have one daughter fully grown and well balanced. She is happily straight married. She would laugh at you .
@ chipndale
How's that a 'wrench'?
Reisman writes for World Nut Daily. You might as well claim that NARTH and AIG are valid sources too.
Instead, post the citations to the valid peer-reviewed scientific research that supports your contentions.
@chipndale
Im sorry for those two kids. As far as you are concerned, remember that we hate the sin but love the sinner. We'll pray for your salvation.
Back to the argument, I gave a few examples of research on more than one person, on populations. You raised a (probably) healthy kid etc etc. what that does have to do with these kinds of research?
What are World Nut Daily, NARTH and AIG? AIG is the insurance company right? dont know what that has to do with it.
Biblical cites an "expert" who is anything but an expert, and writes for the fundiot rag World Nut Daily.
He/she was asked to provide citations to actual peer-reviewed scientific research that supports his/her contention.
Instead, Biblical does a prototypical fundiot dodge and refuses to provide the evidence.
Why do these fundiot cretinss do this?
@ Primewonk, again:
What are World Nut Daily, NARTH and AIG? AIG is the insurance company right? dont know what that has to do with it.
Apparently, Biblical is too fûcking stupid to understand that google is a verb as well as a noun.
WND is a fundiot (fundamentalist idiot) paper/werbsite that your source works for. They purposefully choose to be ignorant about science.
NARTH is a fundiot group who thinks gays are icky. They purposefully choose to be ignorant about science.
AIG is a fundiot group who thinks the universe poofed into existence 6000 years ago. The purposefully choose to be ignorant about science.
Now, for the 3rd time, post the citations to valid peer-reviewed scientific research that supportss your contentions.
@Primewonk
I will not take abuse lightly. You cannot spout acronyms to me and expect me to magically understand.
Regarding you rejecting the researcher I gave you, thats your problem. She quotes other authors, is qualified and her work has references for every conclusion she draws. That is good enough for me. Now, if you want to disagree with the conclusions of work by attaching the messenger (author), then that's your prerogative. I can look for other authors but am in no hurry to.
@Primewonk
I looked up DR Reisman's credentials and background. She does __NOT__ work for any WND.
Next attack, please. (looks for the best shield he can get)
Jeez, you dufus, she is one of the writers for articles in World Nut Daily. And you can't get any more nutters than folks who either contribute, or read this shîtrag.
But you again, dodged the issue and moved the goalposts – so once again, post the citations to valid peer-reviewed scientific research that supports your contentions.
I would posit that MAYBE the pressure to be 'politically correct' will reduce the chances that an anti-gay article get published in 'peer reviewed' journals.
For example, when a poverty researcher married to a criminologist found that they were doing work in the same areas and matched section 8 recipient rich areas with high crime areas and they strongly matched, they were demonized, and their results suppressed by the government and the media because showing minority poor peope as criminals is not allowed, whether it be true or not. May such a thing be happening in this area too?
I wouldn't allow my dog to pee in this so-called church. He might catch their hatred disease and start killing indiscriminately. Real God following humans only preach love and acceptance of all. Nothing else matters to real Christians.
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Prayer changes things
If it did, you wouldn't need to post this repeatedly. In fact, you wouldn't need to post it at all. Your prayers would negate the need for a public billboard on the internet.
Apparently, prayer doesn't change a thing. Neither does spamming the blog.
Prayer just changed what tom tom was doing.
How? I was already here ridiculing you and your pals. Didn't change anything at all.
However, MY post has forced YOU to respond. Too bad you're ill-equipped to debate anything.
Prayer changes things
Proven
I think Atheism is a lot better than teaching little children to hate before they even know what they're being taught. That's called brain washing and it's a form of child abuse. Hasn't someone called Child and Family Services yet?
If they claim they don't HATE anyone I sure would hate to see how they DO HATE somebody?! Hitler didn't a darn thing on this church of evil doers. All these evil people that use the house of worship to hatred are going to burn in HELL.
Another victim of the war against christians. The kid at church and this poster on CNN.
Jim Jones would agree.
Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
The word Christian means Christ-like.
These people are not even attempting to act like Jesus Christ; they are acting like Nazis.
These are not Christians, but hateful people using the Bible as a shield to stand behind instead of reading it.
Its a private church, a private mass and a kid singing to an appreciative audience. Nobody forced you to go there and attend.
dumb
YES BUT, they don't pay taxes because they're supposed to be a spiritual organization, not the NAZI PARTY!
Good lil kid. He doesnt realize it but if many other kids dont start singing his song, his kids will be facing a controversy about allowing :
– Pedophile marriage
– Bestial marriage
– Incestuous marriage
– Polygamist marriage
Not only are you a liar, you're stupid too. Ever hear of consent? Children don't consent to s3x with adults. Animals don't consent to s3x with humans.
Polygamy is different. I don't care if someone wants more than one marriage partner as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.
You aren't BIBLICAL you are a %#!* with lies and propaganda about a minority group that has historically been abused by less educated people in society like yourself. Please PROVIDE EVIDENCE of any one of your claims OR stop posting lies about minorities. I guess you post horrible lies about blacks too.
*Many pedophiles are pastors
*Many Priests are pedophiles
*People that go to church are afraid of death.
*Red Necks go to church more than educated people
*Churches are going to be taxed again according to a new bill in Congress!
I guess that dog you married is going to fit nicely in your second category!
@ Laura
Mr. Kodie from TLC show "Sister Wives" has made noises about suing for recognition of polygamist marriage just coz 'the gays have it'. There is one proof my concern isnt theoretical!
As far as certain group not being able to consent legally, maybe that can change. who knows?
That was somebody trying to defame me by posting as 'troll' but the point is right. Now the polygamists are trying. God knows in the future who else will
If all concerned parties are consenting adults, there's really no reason not to allow polygamy or gay marriage.
Other than it is unnatural, immoral, degenerate, filthy and undermining to society as a whole.
See what 'Bet' says above. Prime example of the gay agenda.
Tommorrow if the definition of consent changes (things have changed, women didnt have the right to vote and got it) then p-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-e-s will be next.
Save society and make marriage = 1 man and 1 woman.
You are a moron well as a liar. Informed consent and the right to vote are two completely different things. Besides, christians were among those who opposed women's rights, as well as black people's right to vote.
Many countries around the world have approved gay marriage and none of their societies have fallen apart. Another lie being preached by bigots.
As far as AIDS goes, that's a lie too. It started in Africa in primates, mutated as viruses are known to do, and was transferred to humans via people eating bush meat. The first deaths from AIDS was a straight couple in 1969. It was known well before Gaëtan Dugas, you idiot.
"Gay agenda" is another lie. If anyone has an agenda, it's christians who try to deny civil rights to people. People like blacks, women, and now gays. Who's next on your agenda, Hispanics? Jews? Muslims?
BTW, I'm straight and support gay rights, just like I supported civil rights for blacks in the 60s and gender rights in the 70s.
Brava, Bet. This moron is worthless.
@Bet
I did not say anything about AIDS. Thanks for the abuse, yelling at me for a posting by a random stanger.
Typical for someone like you, I must say.
also, re: muslims, one must not forget 9/11, USS cole, the london bombings, and many other incidents (like the sharia law judgement IN THE USA, which was squashed. but why was it there in the first place?)
They don't teach hate?
Yeah right!
They aren't doing a very good job of teaching how to tell the truth either!
Since when is it hate to say that sinners are going to burn in hell? That's one of the hallmarks of a good Bible-believing chruch. We are called to spread the word of God and preach the good news, i.e. that one can be saved by the blood of Jesus. But first, you must repent. It is a failure of our duty as Christians to allow people to throw themselves in hell without warning them. This boy was just singing the truth. It is not hate but love. It only appears as hate to those lost in sin.
Exactly EvangilacaL. I might not even believe in Christ but I can see that all they are trying to do is warn people not to fall off a cliff. If the cliff is real, isn't that a good thing. And if the cliff is bull crap, aren't they simple harmless idiots. Either way, it is not a bad thing. Of course the pro gay side are allowed to voice their opinion too. I wouldn't be fair otherwise. But either side voicing their opinion is not hate. Now, if we go to a Nazi Germany world were one side or the other gets thrown into concentration camps for their beliefs, that is hate. But most of these people whinning on both sides don't understand real persecution or hate and they love to throw the word out there.
Evangelina, I hope that someday you will be able to accept yourself as a gay person and achieve a measure of happiness.
This church is BRAINWASHING CHILDREN. That's against the law and it's child abuse. Report these sickos before this kid kills himself when he winds up being gay!
Sorry everyone for creating such strife. I will from now one present my thoughts in a civilized manner and no longer attempt to create hate in response to hate.
Glad I made such an impression on a troll. Thanks, sweetie.
Post away, dear. I'm sure you'll feel just like you do after taking a good bowl-splattering sh!t or jerking off into your mom's bra.
Hey Tom, Tom. You have your very own hater!
BTW, I meant that to the second post, the one from the real TTtPS.
Yup, I gotcha, Bet. Poor little troll. Don't you feel sad for it? It must have been deprived of a good male role model.
@ tom tom,
Yeah, it's pretty sucky when you get the name stealers, but they are always around. Fortunately, once you've posted a few times, most people can identify an iimposter. I'm sure that's why the original post didn't generate any comments, till the real you came online.
If the original poster is fake, I wish there there'll be no real Tom2x.
You're right Bet, it's easy to distiguish the fake from real Tom Tom. The fake is a fake a.s.s.h.o.l.e while the real is a real a.s.s.h.o.l.e.
Well, Crapspotter, you have a choice, lucky you. You aren't required to read my posts or any others. That you choose to do so and then bit@ch because you don't like what's here indicates you're about as smart as a turd.
@ crapspotter
Nice screen name. You must have been looking in the mirror when you came up with it.
Sludge!!!!!!!!!!
How's it going Tom?
We actually agree on something! This type of hate speech has no place in the world.
Jeff,
There are many christians who agree with you, they are silent and I commend you for being vocal on this. I agreed with your reason when I identified as a christian and most christians I know would agree it is a MYOB issue.
Gays are hypocrits that teach hate in response to hate. Everyone hates everyone else that doesn't agree with them and they all justify their hate as righteous. Both sides are stupid.
Jeff, I know it's difficult to make a judgment based on a one-word post, but dude, that wasn't me. It's some little no-balls baby who needs attention and didn't get enough of mommy's boobs.
UR, learn to spell. Otherwise, it's really difficult to disguise your ignorance and stupidity.
I don't know that everyone hates everyone, but I do see a lot of hostility coming from you guys. Can take a little critism without getting hostile? You know in most pychological circles that is an indication of low intelligence.
Reported several times for Abuse Tom Tom!
Tralalala........................
That little kid hit on something valuable here. This is a great way to memorize Bible info, in this case it's where the anti-h o m o verses are in Romans. This church isn't doing anything the US military hasn't been doing in their schools for decades.
The military uses the same technique in their schools – eg, sulfisoxazole is the Rx for certain venereal diseases, and i remember this from 1976 because the instructor joked "sulfa sux us all".
Crude and crass, but effective!
Keep up the good work Apostolic Truth Tabernacle!
not a very good joke. were you related to him?
Poor b4bigbang, he's as brainwashed as that poor kid.
The bigots (including the religious onea) do thier children and families a gross misjustice and possible great harm by teahcing the bigorty. Some of their children will be gay and all they will have is a biogotted parent who wishes them harm and hell.
The kid's grandfather probably sang a little song about nigg_rs when he was four, and again to a cheering crowd.
Sad, so terribly sad!
b4: bigots find comfort in other bigots, because at the heart of it all, they are cowards. get back on your knees like a good little slaveboy
sims: apparently, these people need nig..g..r. for these inbred fvcks, it is gays
And I'll bet you needed that sulfa for all the gonorrhea you got while you cheated on your dog!.
It's time to cut through the politically correct crap and state the truth: If you are ho-mos-exual and do not repent, you are going to burn in hell. If we as a nation allow the acceptance of ho-mos-exuality, then God will punish us as a nation. That's the bottom line.
Prove your god exists first, then you might have something resembling credibility.
Evangelical is yet another bigot hiding his or her cowardice behind a bible.
And, he or she sees god as a petty vituperative punk because he or she is a petty vituperative punk and this comforts him or her.
That is not truth, it is a claim. Your claim has no foundation other than the error ridden, contradictory, immoral book (bible) that has many forgeries.
I can't allow that statement to be made without an immediate response. You are dead wrong Evangelical. Not one Christian that I know would advocate for your thoughts. Not one.
Sin is sin no matter how big or small. Not one sin keeps us separated from Christ if we accept Him. I suggest you take a much closer look at your life before casting a stone down on hom.ose.xuality. As far as I know, my Bible doesn't have a point system assigned to sins. What it does tell me is to love my neighbor as myself and to spread the good news of Christ.
People like you do nothing but build walls with your intolerance. It's a shame that you feel so strongly about condemning a group of people instead of getting to know them and earning a right to share your story. Even then, who are you to condemn? A person's sin is between them and God. Where do you get the idea you belong in that equation?
Evangelical = Ted Haggard
you are going to burn in hell.
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I think the bottom line is that you're a Troll. Hope you're enjoying yourself.
"It's time to cut through the politically correct crap and state the truth: If you are ho-mos-exual and do not repent, you are going to burn in hell. If we as a nation allow the acceptance of ho-mos-exuality, then God will punish us as a nation."
Gay relationships have been around for hundreds of years and your god has not punished this nation. If anything with African Americans and women finally getting their civil rights we are becoming more moral. Your god did not destroy Sodom because of gays in your bible it destroyed it because of rape and bad hospitality. LOL!
@Jeff,
Of course, sin is sin. And ho-mos-exuals can be saved just like everyone, but like everyone they have to repent and turn from their sin. You can't keep on sinning or else you are hell bound. Again, I don't know what they teach you in your church, but it seems like very permissive pablum to me.
Let the hate against Christians and name calling begin! Wow, now I clearly understand what the Bible means when it talks about hardened hearts.
@Evangelical, People like you really sadden me. You are so lost in your illusion of doctrine and so likely lost to the world of conscious beings. I'm not sure where things went so wrong for you and why you sacrificed your mind to such a wasteful disease like this religion you are spouting, but I sympathize for you. I have parents like you. I can never hear this kind of brainwashed rhetoric without thinking of them and I love them dearly, so in fact I love you too.
You also remind me of how lucky I am to have escaped that trap that you're not even aware that you are sitting in. It's a prison of gold so naturally, you think you're a king. I can only hope that one day, through some unforeseen intervention or experience that you will see yourself free of your cage. Prove yourself to be a human, because amongst all of the other animals only humans have the ability to reason. Therefore in my eyes, you are an animal until otherwise proven.
@Evangelical
Psst, your persecution complex is showing.
Evangelical...well I guess I'm hell bound then. Hard as I try, I fall short...EVERY DAY. Don't mean to, don't want to, but do. To argue that we must sin no more to make it to heaven is ridiculous. We all sin. What's more is that we all sin every day. Your relationship with God is just that...YOUR relationship.
The point isn't sin, the point is a relationship. Stop focusing on one and you'll clearly see the other.
Evangelina is going to be awfully lonely in heaven, apparently he's the only one who's going there.
Just a troll who gets his jollies whenever he gets a response to his rantings. Might as well nail him to a cross, he'd probably have the big O from it.
That should read "his first big O".
@Bet,
LMAO. Anyone who expresses a conservative religious opinion on a BELIEF BLOG is a troll, but atheists and ho-mos-exuals can spout their hatred of all things Christian and they are not called trolls. LMAO.
@Evangelical
You persecution complex is still showing. You might want to button up.
Guess you're might ticked off by that fact, aren't you, muttonhead?
@Jeff,
What does your pastor think of your unorthodox views? About sin ... the key is fighting against sin, not embracing it full on. God sees our struggles to overcome sin, and by his grace we are saved. But not if we give up the fight and embrace the sin.
@ Evangelina,
I spent many years in an extremely conservative christian church. I had issues with a lot of things, the bible, the pastor's luxurious home and autos, a few others, but I knew many good people who were true believers in Jesus. They would never represent their faith in the manner that you do. They may not agree that being gay is normal, but they would never act the way you do. They certainly wouldn't support denying civil rights to a minority who aren't hurting anyone, even if they disagreed with them.
I've decided that you aren't even really a christian, just a troll who enjoys being mean online, where you can hide in your anonymity and spew hatred. I also think that you are a gay man who hates himself and doesn't accept himself the way he is. I'm sad for you but won't continue to engage in rational discussion with you. You'll just get my pity.
Evangelical: Get back on your knees and open your mouth, Jesus is coming again
Evangelical
God sees our struggles to overcome sin, and by his grace we are saved. But not if we give up the fight and embrace the sin.
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Ah, so you know God so intimately, as to know his thoughts, feelings, and actions. Got it. What an arrogant, ignorant, buffoon. Your one saving grace is that you give us rational thinking people someone to entertain us. Laughter is good for the soul.
Actually, Madtown, I don't know God's thoughts. But I know the Bible which is the inspired word of God.
@Bet
Thanks for the psychological evaluation, but I frankly don't care what a ho-mos-exual/atheist thinks of me. And the so-called "conservative" church you talk about seems to me to be rather left of center if they don't preach against ho-mos-exuality. So you lied when you said that it was a conservative church.
I wonder if you've ever been to an evangelical service. I think not because you don't know the difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner. At least, turn on a good evangelical radio station. Learn about true conservative Christianity and how it can transform your life.
"Christianity and how it can transform your life."
Yes, you to can devolve from a thinking, reasoning, responsible adult to a child-like animal state where you use your invisible superfriend as your cop-out for bad behavior. You too, can do ANYTHING you want (except blaspheme god), ask for forgiveness of your superfriend and *poof* you are forgiven. Doesn't that seem like a great way to life?!
Evangelina,
My fondest wish is for you could accept your ho.mo.se.xuality and be a happy person.
@Evangelical- It's a good thing you call yourself an evangelical 'cause anyone with sense will call you a NEO-NAZI!
For you.
A thought to consider without a typical ego response
Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
my testimony
hit report abuse...spamming
In my opinion you have far more to lose than your "ego"; by committing to religion on faith, without concrete proof, you lose weaken your ability to use and guide your life through reason and rational thought. By committing yourself wholey to Jesus, without question, you lose your freewill. Sorry, not worth it in either case (even if there was credible evidence that any of it was true).
BRC, don't bother...kindness is actually quite rude spamming the same garbage on every story
@just sayin,
I like to give every spammer one chance to respond to something, just to see if they're willing to interact like a real human, before I write them off
Faith is a wh.ore....pay up.
@Kindness,
i know you will probably not respond for whatever personal reasons, but you cannot just solicit to people and expect them to convert. they must do the research and decision-making of their own free will otherwise they'd be converting into something that they don't fully believe in. personally my in laws and wife are LDS (mormon) and my father in law is a convert and none of them cares if i ever convert or not, but if i do they all want it to be because i want it, not because they wanted me to.
Another FAKE! God knows the difference between you fakes and people that LIVE the words in the Bible. DOING good deeds and trying to act like you're superior are two different things. Most so-called Christians have to call themselves Christians because no one else would recognize them as such from their hatred of everyone but themselves. It's a personality disorder!
Clever little kid.
Unfrotunately not clever enough to sing something that isn't foolish and bigotted... and doesn't even rhyme.
If by 'clever' you mean 'brainwashed' yes I agree...
You must be his ignorant, bigoted baby daddy.
That little kid had no idea as to the meaning of what he was saying and the adults who allowed him to speak those words should all be charged with child abuse. This child will grow up to be a hateful, bigoted bully causing great harm to others unless of course childrens services steps in and gets him away from those abusers.
Yeah! Kid just needs to shave his head, get a few tats and come up with a few lyrics about the Jews and blacks then he'll grow up to be a proper little skinhead.