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June 4th, 2012
05:43 PM ET
We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmedBy Ismael Estrada, CNN Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) - About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals. The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven." The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on. At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video. A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video. The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises. Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats. No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor. The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches. Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin. The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.” The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate. The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter "I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody. "They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible." soundoff (3,151 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 Next »
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They hate the sin but love the sinner? Singing about how gay people are all in hell.... it's not 'the sin' that they believe is burning in torment for eternity. Anyone who loves anyone would be sad at that prospect but they cheer the idea of real persons, actual souls, in torment. Saying you love the person but hate the sin is nothing but a Jedi mind trick; political cover for doing and saying horrible things. It's politically expedient to use god as cover. Those behind 9/11 hid behind their god too...Maybe they thought they loved those people in the twin towers but hated their sin.. or maybe they just did it because god supposedly said so... you can't hide behind a faith to distance yourself from your own actions.
I dont call this a chruch, God loves everybody and its not up to us to judge. Sounds like they teach hatem and shame on them for teaching kids hate. How would they feel now if one of the children in the church now is gay and kills themself??? Due to their words of hate.
Unfortunately, I fear that it would not bother them at all, unless it was their own child, and even then they would probably be more concerned for their "shame" amongst their fellow haters than they would for the well-being of their own child.
nonbelievers should be put in summer camps to learn the bible and to start loving God.
First period, Brainwashing 101
Matt – Bigots should be put in summer camps and taught how to love and accepts others who are different from them.
That very thing has been happening for quite some time..... they are called "children." All children start as non-believers. Then they are sent off to summer camps, sunday schools, church functions of all types and brainwashed into believing what they frightened into accepting. Just like you're suggesting. Works great on those with the mental capacity of young children.
Yes, and each nonbeliever could have a serial number from god tattooed on his arm, and there would be lots of showers, and nice warm ovens
"The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.” Hahaha. Christian churches would have less influence if it wasn't for the fear and hate angle.
These folks also believe the Earth is about 6,000 or so years old. Yup. And they're gonna vote for Romney. Yup. And get divorced at higher rates than any of them nasty Yankee Liberals. Yup.
Most of ten poorest states in the nation are heavily Christian as well. It all ties together.
The bible gives no exact date of how the earth is
Who said it did, ADAB?
Without GOD, there is no atheist...That is a fact..
Having trouble with Logic, poor soul?
You are kidding and not just stupid, right.
Atheist is the non-belief in a claim, so in fact if there is no god, as long as people assert that there is, there will always be atheists.
Thanks for all responses..I don't need to answer you, you are all geniuses in this opinion..God gives us faith, as well as gifts as well as blessing..Use it for the glory of God.
"I don't need to answer you".
Translation: I don't know how to answer you, so I'll just ignore you.
Without 2 + 2 equaling 5, there can be no belief that 2 + 2 equals 4. Therefore, it is proven that 2+2=5. No, wait.... what I mean is....oh jeez, lost my line of reasoning..... uhhhhmmmm...... YAY GOD!!!
@Bet
You can't just ignore me, that's why you take your precious time to post a special message for me. I like that. We don't teach hate, say's church..
@whatever
Thank Goodness, you are exercising your chosen name "whatever".
I did not want to answer because i want you to contemplate...and observe all those posters here which is generally an atheist and don't want to answer all those bluffing and their so called intelligence because it's just a waste..knowing their unbeliefs, i just remember Jesus said, "it is easier for the camel to enter the hole in the needle" than those who are learned and self righteous to enter the Kingdom of Heaven..."For the Kingdom of Heaven is hidden from the learned."
Poursoul: If you are going to quote scripture, you could at least quote it accurately. Mark 10:25 says "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." It says nothing about the kingdom of heaven being hidden from the "learned". Its totally about the difficulty of the rich getting into heaven. I know some christians like to pick and choose which parts of the bible they believe in (particularly in Leviticus), but you take it one step further in just editing the scripture and making it up whole cloth with your own words to justify your prejudices.
*** Poorsoul
Thanks for all responses..I don't need to answer you, you are all geniuses in this opinion..God gives us faith, as well as gifts as well as blessing..Use it for the glory of God.
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Gifts ?
You need to be rewarded for your faith ?
Or is it a bribe ?
Fail.
@David Myers
Thanks for the correction.What can i say i'm just a human..but atleast people get my message..Don'y worry, i'll have my Bible next to me, next time..And i'm glad you are more catholic than i..
@ Hammer of the God
Reward????? I don't think i deserve a reward, i haven't done any good to my fellow..But thanks for reaching me..
So much for us all being gods children.
Just for laughs, I just found this today....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_dWnZnNcJ4&feature=related
HOLY MAKEREL, Rick, I did watch. It is hilarious.
Can you imagine, the religious right hijacking Charles Darwin's The Origin Of The Species because it is in the public domain, and adding an introduction that negates the book's premise. Talk about insidious. And it ends with a plea for money to be sent to living waddlers dot com. Rich!
He says athiest's and Agnostics are brainwashing people.
so we are fighting back with brainwashing.
Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:
† Atheism is a religion that makes you angry, stupid, brainwashed, ignorant & blind.
† Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
† Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists)
† Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
† Atheists are misguided and causes problem in our religious & public society.
† Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
† Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
† Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
† No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
† Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
† Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
† Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
† Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
† Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
† Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
† Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
† All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
† The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
† Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
**Only 2-3% of the U.S. are Atheists/Agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**
† † Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †
PS! the USA is a Christian nation and will always be. You know it's true and stop being ignorant and arrogant!
http://rightremedy.org/tracts/7
Cut and paste troll has returned under a new name.
Do you also bite?
The worst part about being an atheist is you have no one to talk to when you have an orgasm.
Did you find all these "truths" in reliable sources or did you jerk them right out of your be hind? I'm guessing the latter.
Harvey, close your bedroom door please.
Lots of "reasons" here, but not a fact to be found. Just like religion, I guess.
Funny, funny. I'm a commie, a devil worshipper, a terrorist, a hitler lover, a goth, and anything else bad in the world- but what I am not is judgemental, arrogant, and ignorant. All because I do not buy into mythology and kiddie tales. And I would bet I probably lead my life in a more christ-like manner than you. Go ahead. Give me some more Jesus-GOP talking points.
According to the bible, Exodus 21:20-21, if i I smite my slave and they survive the beating for one or two days, I will not be punished! If the bible is always right, then were is my slave so I might smite them?
At least it doesn't say that atheists are hipsters.
THAT might drive me to religion!
Too bad you escaped Jonestown.
You know, if you have to trot out utter bulls%^t, cite easily debunked sources, invoke Hitler, Stalin AND Pol Pot in a single sentence you have gone so far off the fuc^&ng map that I fear you will never make your way home.
There are not enough godd@mn breadcrumbs on Earth to help you find your way back to reality.
I fully expected this church to be predominantly black, with CNN conveniently forgetting to mention it. Upon research, I see that I was wrong. Egg in my face.
MATTHEW 7:1-5:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Fantasy words from a fantasy book.
Yeah, no one has ever quoted that passage before on here. *facepalm*
It is still somewhatgood advice, when you take away all the thous and thees and supernatural mumbo jumbo.
The word of God judges us all
Prove your god exists first, then you can attempt to prove your assertion that he judges all.
What's with all the 16th century "thee's", thy's" and "thou's"? Was God from London?
"The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats."
So, they get a threat, report it, the police have no way of being sure they aren't lying, so it didn't happen.
Since they are clearly a bunch of idiots who can't tell the difference between what is real and what is not, I wouldn't bother filing much of a report either.
Hate is funny to watch sometimes. Except when it kills people. Then it's no fun to watch.
What a bunch of crap. Of course, it's hate, they are just embarrassed now - and they should be. Disgusting.
RICH – 1 Rich 3:15 (noiu) Anyone foolish enough to belive Bible stories as truth, our but fools themselves
Well, the Bible WOULD say that, wouldn't it?
I believe that gods came from man's imagination. However, I recognize a lot of people believe in gods and all the lore associated with them.
I assume it makes them feel good to think they have a personal relationship with THE all powerful creator of the universe who loves them and will protect them.
Their beliefs and values are aligned with god, therefore they must be 100% right.
When they die, they get to go to heaven for eternal bliss.
Finally, they have the satisfaction of knowing all those who doubted them will suffer god's eternal wrath.
In the end, religious belief is really all about ME, ME, and, ME.
I like to express it thus: They claim that God made man in his own image, I contend that man made God in his own image!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_wLIjJiBzM
Using dying people, confused in dealing with death, as evidence is hilarious
I only wish that the people who do threaten these people would follow through on their threats! Maybe these people would learn to keep their mouths shut!
Mike, try to rephrase your post so that it is understandable.
I understood it okay. Just read a little slower and it'll come to you. There is something to be said for holding people accountable for what they do in this world and not giving everyone a free pass and shoving everything under the 'afterlife' rug.
yeah God loves gays but they will go to the h e l l for sure unless they repent of their sin, with just God's love nobody enter heaven , first it must be a genuine repent from your sins if you wanna be saved, and believe me, being gay is a terrible sin condemned in the Bible.
Love and eternal torture, definitely mutually exclusive concepts.
So is planting two crops in the same field, as well as eating shellfish. No one with two brain cells follows the Bible literally, if at all.
Do us a favor kill yourself, you get to meet you "loving" god, we are spared your hate filled dribble. Win win.
TOTONACAMR – The Bible does not condemn h o m o s e x u a l i t y when it is put in historical and cultural context and read using reason, as Jesus did.
The word "h o m o s e x u a l" didn't even exist unti the late 1800s. How did it end up in the bible?
Funny part is, the word used to describe (to the modern age) ho.mose.xuality was sodomy. At that point in time, the definition of sodomy was ANY se.xual act that did not result in procreation. 2nd and 3rd base are sins people lol. No more BJ or eating a woman out.
If it's a choice between being a good caring person and obeying the bible well it's a simple choice.
When I went to church, it has been awhile, it seems to me that they taught that a sin was not classed as a big sin or a little sin but just a sin. I seem to remember the preacher saying "judge not least you be judged" also. So who died and left you in charge of deciding which sins were big and which were just wee sins?
Every Sunday you go to church and repent your sins.
So the rest of the week you can sin again.
Your church says that you are born with sin.
Your church also says Jesus died for your sins.
Whats it gonna be huh ?
You people are not only nuts, but hypocrits.
TOTON – 1 John 3:15: (NIV) Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
Kudos – well spoken.
Sadly, some will find a way to twist it.
I don't know where or when hate or intolerance became so accepted...
It just seems that we (as a society) are regressing.
It's just sad.
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
–(Luke 14:26)
We are regressing because people are clinging to their delusions no matter how ridiculous or disgusting or psychotic while technology, science, and knowledge reveal the truth: there is no god, your bible is worthless, and Jesus just ain't comin' back so get used to it, quit acting like a bunch of babies, and get to work making this a better world for everone instead of trying to make everyone else follow your personal interpretation of your imaginary god's bs.