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June 4th, 2012
05:43 PM ET
We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmedBy Ismael Estrada, CNN Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) - About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals. The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven." The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on. At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video. A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video. The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises. Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats. No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor. The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches. Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin. The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.” The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate. The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter "I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody. "They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible." soundoff (3,151 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 Next »
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Indiana has wackos too.
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Sad to see that atheists only attack and target Christians when there are millions of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. being worse than most Christians. Go to the large diverse cities and see in your own eyes!
in this country it's the christians that are trying to force their religion down everyone's throats.
for the record, Judaism and Islam are just as lame.
While they are pretty bad, it is Christianity that is trying to turn America in a theocracy. In fact, the only religion I sort of have respect for at all is Buddhism because they at least don't try and make you feel awful.
Christians aren't trying to force anything. It is the ho-mos-exuals who are forcing themselves on society.
Sally,
And once you fid those Jews, Muslims or Hindus that do behave worse, it will make what these christians do suddenly OK.
Sally, you make yourself sound quite bigoted with this statement.
because g.ays want to get married. YOU want to prevent g.ays from marrying - but YOU aren't the one trying to shove your view down society's throat? do the math.
You make it sound as if you dislike anyone who isn't a Christian. Not very Christian of you. Or perhaps Christians aren't very friendly and peaceful.
As someone who actually lives in a large city I really only see Christians hating the gays at pride parades – I think they ship the protesters in from trailerparks. If you want to see hate go out into rural bible belts. I doubt Sally has been in a large city recently. Unless Chatanooga counts.
Evangelical wrote: "Christians aren't trying to force anything. It is the ho-mos-exuals who are forcing themselves on society."
Nonsense. Gays are already in society. You and your kind want to force them out of society into the shadows.
Get lost.
Please don't randomly include other religions when you don't know anything about them. What do you know about Hinduism? For starters its not 'Dogmatic' like Christianity where any person showing any sign of intelligence is considered an anti-christian.
Hinduism never preaches, forces or abuses other people. Mediation and Yoga an essential part of Hinduism is practiced by everybody around the world and Hindus don't force people to convert to Hinduism to do yoga or every non-Hindu would have to go to Hindu temples to learn yoga. The bottom line is don't talk about Hinduism, it will take you a million years to get a grasp of a religion thousands of years old and which is still surviving with more books on it than your school of 1-12.
In my opinion if a religion has to survive it has to offer goodness and preach peace and love, it should never ridicule, abuse, convert and lie. It should accept and have a scope of flexibility and accept intelligent thinking.
Sally, how old ARE you? You sound like you should be in bed. Tomorrow's a school day.
And you watch out for those "diverse cities"!!! They will get you every time.
If you study buddism and then Jesus' teachings, you will notice they are the same.
Those too. Time to look to the future.
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The day that the last church is closed in America will be the same day the first flying car in made and the cure for cancer is found. Wishful thinking, but it'll be beautiful.
What about synagogues, mosques, hindu temples, etc.?
Those too.
Gays will never make it to heaven unless they repent. Do not penalize this church for stating the truth. Gays are disgusting animals that have been sentenced to death in Leviticus
Please don't try to forbid marriage amongst those our Lord God created gay...
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart
from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings
of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are
seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God
created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know
the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be
rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the
word of God and prayer.
Troll Alert
Ah, guilt, Christianity's bread and butter. They did commit any "sin", so why should they repent?
PastorJim – You quoted Leviticus as condemning h o m o s e x u a l i t y because the Scripture says, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is an abomination." As a gay man, I do not have s e x with women, I have s e x with men. Thus, I do not lie with mankind as with womankind. This Scripture was not intended to condemn h o m o s e x u a l i t y.
By the way, Leviticus also forbids wearing clothes made of two fabrics and says we should stone children who disrespect their parents. You had better check your closet and supply of stones.
Will you then repent of your hatred?
Are you calling my cousin "a disgusting animal"?
How DARE you, you ignorant fool.
Timothy, Leviticus, whos telling the truth, as a young mind (sarcasm) im confused as of who to believe
Oh look, it's another one of those close-minded idiots... Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat.
Put that pénis in your hairy á´s´shóle
@Tinas
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What a fact filled thought provoking well reasoned rebuttal.
You sure disproved my post word for word.
In fact you changed my opinion on gay marriage.
/sarcasm off
@EndTheHate
I think I love you.
Id give my soul to the fake Satan to see all of these commentators in a 14' x 14' room together with nothing but 'faith' on one side and pocket knives on the other.....good has to come of this
Yes, by all means. And Black Mambas & Taipans for the snake handlers. Strychnine, too.
There's more to the story? Is it that your church is full of bigots and you're poisoning the minds of children who don't know any better? This is just sad and disgusting.
I'm sorry, but preaching and teaching the Word of God within your OWN CHURCH is not bigotry.
Evangelical: I am sorry, but you are unclear on the concept of bigotry. To say that a group of people cannot be bigots if they merely discuss their intollerance amongst themselves makes no sense whatsoever.
Woe to those who call good evil (read bigotry) and evil good.
Religious indoctrination of the young is Child Abuse, Evangelical.
Evangelical: so if a group of Muslims get together and discuss acts of terror, than it is ok if it is in their Mosque and the teachings follow their religious texts? This is the same situation: just because they are in a Church does not mean they are not bigots for teaching hate towards others who are different from themselves.
Insightful, skarphase!
@jungle,
Show me the law or shut your mouth.
Heaven and hell do not exist, but for the sake of argument, let's say they do. I would not want to be in your meritocratic heaven anyway. I'd rather be in hell with the good people. I would look forward to spending eternity with kind and decent folks and, of course, with scoundrels like myself. To be sent to heaven with preachers and the hatemongers who listen to them would be absolutely dreadful.
uh, if we say they do exist though, the one you are wanting to go to is on fire. Lets just say they dont.
The seed of hate is planted.in the kid. It will be nourished and blossom. In the end, it is the person with the hate inside who suffers. So we are watching a church congregation plant, nourish and grow a cancer on a child's soul. Not an inspiring sight.
Agreed.
Islam will dominate the world one day insallah......... Everyone is welcome to join Islam and become Moslem. We are the best and the only truly religion. Muhammed is the last prophet of Allah!
Yeah, I don't think you will find many takers in this thread.
OK,
My catholic priest told me when I was 12 that catholicism was the correct religion because it was the only true religion.
So there! Na-Na-NaNaNa
Utter nonsense!
Maybe you should wish about decent modern education for the 'moslems' so u can learn that there is more to the world then oppressing women and thinking that 'man' is the complete ruler. Fuk!ng cave men culture
So in Genesis 19 30-38 Lot's daughters slept with him two nights in a row and had children by their father is that promoting i n c e s t ? How come they got away with that?
Christians even have an answer for this piece of filth.
Lott thinking that God had destroyed humanity, except for themselves,
figured that it was up to them to re-populate the earth.
If God destroyed the earth, why was Lott and his family left to live ?
If God was powerful enough to destroy earth, why would not God re-populate it,
after all he started it with Adam & Eve ?
Humankind after all comes from "incest".
Adam & Eve had 2 sons.
No daughters. Where did the children come from ?
the 2 sons & Eve.
where else.
If everyone was Christian there wouldn't be any problem!!!!!!!
True!!!
Let's just kill everyone who isn't Christian, then. Problem solved!
No, if everybody was christian we would have that many more people with their head up their ass
Who would be there for the Christians to hate? They would be forced to turn on themselves.
Lets all be the same.
We can all look alike, and talk alike and think alike.
Like ants on a anthill.
What is important about comparative studies is that they place biblical words in their historical context. The word Sheol should thus be understood in terms of what it meant in the Hebrew language and by its parallel in the other languages of that time. Why?
When God wanted Israel to believe something which was unique and contrary to what the surrounding cultures believed, He always clearly condemned and forbade the pagan beliefs and then stressed the uniqueness of the new concept. For example, in order to establish monotheism, God repeatedly and clearly condemned the pagan concept of polytheism and stressed monotheism.
While God clearly condemned polytheism in the Old Testament, at no time did He ever condemn belief in a conscious afterlife. At no time did God ever put forth the concept of annihilation or nonexistence as the fate of man’s soul at death.
^ In other words, Hell doesn't exist. it's a fabrication created by man.
That is your belief, based on your interpretation of the Bible, which if I figure right is Jehova's Witness, right?
If so, then you believe quite differently than Christians do.
And don't give me the 'we are Christians too' excuse. Mormans are not Christians, and neither are Seventh Day Adventists.
*Mormons
This is not new. Small churches like the ones we are hearing such hate from have always taught that it is ok to hate and condemn those who are not similar to themselves.
However, with the advent of video technology, we are now seeing into the lives of these intollerant people like we never were able to before. That is ok; the first step to curing your problem is to admit you have a problem, and America is making it very obvious that we have a major problem with intollerance in this country.
Unfortunately, the people who spread this hatred do not see it as wrong. Therefore, we still have quite a long ways to go before "We the people" is a motto we live by rather than just give token credence to.
"This is not new. Small churches like the ones we are hearing such hate from have always taught that it is ok to hate and condemn those who are not similar to themselves."
Not similar to ourselves? This isn't like skin color or a different hairstyle. We're talking about a sin. Even if it is not a sin to you, it is a sin to the people of that church, and it goes to the core of their faith.
Evangelical: it is only a sin if everyone believes as you do. This is not the case. There are many, many interpretations of the Bible, as the various books were written in ancient languages and then translated into English, and sometimes translated several times before into English. The members of these Churches preach hate towards all those who are different than themselves, either by race, creed, s e x uality, ethnicity, etc.
You may not want to admit this is true, but videos such as the one we are discussing make it very obvious that it is.
Evangelical, ya vast dumb-dumb, no one is asking you to enjoy h.mos3xual activity! The fact that you obsess over it describes your innermost thoughts of the activity. You and the rest of the Xtians are not the world's policemen, so give it a rest already. I still think you are a Troll who has changed his screen name. That flaccid tone of yours...I seem to remember it...
"Evangelical: it is only a sin if everyone believes as you do. "
Wow. Talk about making things up out of thin air. I and other conservatives believe in paying little taxes. I guess our civil rights are being stomped on, heh? Because not everyone feels that paying high taxes is good.
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"Evangelical: it is only a sin if everyone believes as you do. "
Wow. Talk about making things up out of thin air. I and other conservatives believe in paying little taxes. I guess our civil rights are being stomped on, heh? Because not everyone feels that paying high taxes is good.
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Ever notice that when he starts to lose an argument, he runs off in a different direction ?
Now, thats making stuff up out of thin air.