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June 6th, 2012
12:47 PM ET

Muslims sue over New York police surveillance

By Kristina Sgueglia, CNN

(CNN) - New Jersey Muslims filed a lawsuit against the City of New York on Wednesday, accusing police of using unconstitutional tactics to spy on them in the years after September 11, casting an unwarranted shadow of suspicion on the community.

"The NYPD's program targeted innocent Americans solely based on their religious identity," said Farhana Khera, president and executive director of the legal advocacy group Muslim Advocates, which filed the suit on behalf of the eight plaintiffs.

"That's why we believe it is unlawful and needs to stop," Khera said.

Muslim Advocates says it wants an end to the department's "invasive and discriminatory" surveillance program, which it claims targeted at least 20 mosques, 14 restaurants, 11 retail stores, two grade schools and two Muslim student associations throughout New Jersey. The group also wants all related records from the covert program expunged, according to the complaint.

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According to NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, police were in compliance with overarching counterterrorism efforts and standards.

"I refer you to the New Jersey Attorney General's report and to the fact that NYPD activities in New Jersey were lawful, appropriate, and in keeping with efforts there, in New York, and around the world to prevent terrorists from returning here to kill more New Yorkers," Browne said in e-mail.

In May, after a three-month review, New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa declared that New York police did not violate any laws when they carried out surveillance programs across state lines.

The details of the program emerged in August and included a 60-page report, obtained by The Associated Press, showing NYPD maps of Newark and photographs of Muslims' residences and mosques. There was no statement in the document regarding terrorism or criminal activity.

W. Deen Shareef of the Council of Imams in New Jersey, which is among the plaintiffs, said more people are uncomfortable with coming to the mosque to pray because they feel that they are being watched.

"People are concerned with going about their day-to-day life," Shareef said.

The owners of a Newark halal grocery store, also suing the city, say they lost a lot of regular customers since photographs of the market emerged in the report.

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"It has draped a blanket of suspicion over the Muslim-American community and over the people outside of the community that associate with its members," Shareef said.

Shareef, Khera and the other plaintiffs - including a decorated U.S. Army Reservist and a Rutgers College student - say they hope this lawsuit will help lift that blanket.

"What makes America great is that we don't treat each other differently based on on how someone looks or how someone prays," Khera said.

"The Constitution guarantees that every American can be treated equally under law, and we expect government officials to do the same."

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soundoff (677 Responses)
  1. Kindness

    For you.
    A thought to consider without a typical ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    June 6, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Kindness you're dumb

      Excuse me sir, but you need to shut up. You can't change people's religion because of what you think. Especially on a comment

      June 6, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Answer

      I wonder how long til this nutbag gets tired of himself.

      June 6, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
  2. Adam B

    Sounds to me like they may have something to hide. I'm a christian and I wouldn't mind one bit if the government followed me around. I have nothing to hide. In fact, I want to show off the beliefs that I'm so proud of.

    June 6, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Dale

      You're absolutely right they are wanting to hide something, they are just too paranoid.

      June 6, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  3. ObammySucks

    I back the badge, ESPECIALLY in this instance. Good Lookin' Out NYPD.

    June 6, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
  4. Kindness

    For you.
    A thought to consider without a typical ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome

    June 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Adam B

      Tomorrow has never certain. God doesn't promise us another tomorrow. If you are a christian and you are living in sin, now is the best time to pray for forgiveness.

      June 6, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  5. Kindness

    A thought to consider without a typical ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome

    June 6, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Reality

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      June 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  6. ANGELA

    we laugh when we hear about Muslims but wait and see there are citizens like us as well and that means our rights do not exist anymore,,,,,

    June 6, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Adam B

      if any religious fanatic from any religious group where to wage war on anyone they should have the right to investigate that religious community. It would be dumb not to.

      June 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  7. Lydia

    Poor Muslims...everyone is picking on them for no reason.....wait....hmmmm. I'm reminded of the ghetto blacks that commit most of the crimes in my area and then get upset when they are profiled....actions have consequences.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Reality

      To elaborate on said actions:

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue, past and present

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "
      o 24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT
      BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.

      The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

      June 6, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  8. Allen Roundtree

    Our Patriot Act allows our Gov. to listen to anything and watch anyone!

    June 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
  9. Arawn

    The more stink the muslims make, makes me like them less and less. All muslims are not terrorists, but the majority of terrorist acts in the world are perpetrated by muslims. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  10. Voice of Reason

    ALL religions and ALL gods need to be put to rest as a historical social phenomena of a type of hysteria in delusion. If people want to practice, preach or indulge in the supernatural they should apply for a license and pay a usage fee as well as a quarterly tax, both federal and state. To get this license the person(s) must demonstrate mental stability and understand that what they want to indulge in is not the truth in our natural world. A microchip will be inserted under the skin near the temple on the left side of the brain. This chip will monitor if the user is following protocol, if they are not, the user will be zapped until unconscious. The second infraction will be cause of termination, night night.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • bayoubeauxns

      seriously? voice of reason?

      June 6, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Kyle

      ???

      June 6, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  11. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    These people are civil enough to target and sue the right people which is proof they don't all hate Americans.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • George

      The case does not hold water because police are doing the right thing to avert any attack on the people. From what I read, NYPD is not molesting anybody who visit the mosque or shops. Let us be sincere about what we are doing.

      June 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  12. Jack

    @ Abdullah... I'm not looking for a religion but I understand enough to see what's happening around the world as a whole. Your image is very tarnished. I shouldn't have to study to understand your religion. You came here and should learn to understand us. If someone has a hobby and it interferes in my daily life I shouldn't have to go study his hobby so I can deal with it. If what you do doesn't harm or threaten me then I have no problem with what you do, but under your religion or in the name of your religion we were attacked and many in the world are being attacked in the name of it. We had no Idea who you were or even cared until that time. It's your job to make us feel comfortable about you. We don't dislike or distrust you for religious reasons. We don't trust you because we were attacked by something that you're member of and support and your flock has responded by being indifferent and even combative as you will read on some of these posts.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • godoflunaticscreation

      So I assume you are well versed in the religion of Native Americans. You know, those people who you attacked in the name of your god.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Bo

      In other words Abdullah, there are some bad apples in your basket and we don't know who they are and you don't seem to care, so you all gott'a be watched.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • Jack

      godoflunaticscreation...I'm not religious so that doesn't apply and i do feel for native Americans but the whole world came over here, it wasn't just one nationality.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • bayoubeauxns

      these people are american man, they don't have to get use to anyone or change anything about themselves. THEY ARE AMERICAN.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Reality

      Are they American?

      Might want to read the following:

      "Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like

      a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.

      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.

      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      Don Richardson

      June 6, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  13. Polli

    The ones who harmed , harmed everyone.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  14. asdf

    Sure – we should punish all people of one faith for the indiscretions of a few...That is why we should have cameras in every Catholic's home and every church and rectory. Hey – if you aren't molesting kids, you've got nothing to hide!

    June 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • Jack

      Why don't you put a little thought on the subject before you post.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Lydia

      Actually the Catholic church has implemented many safeguards and open door policies as a result of the past abuse. If you have nothing to hide you should be glad to show the world that you are not practicing the murderous Koran laws.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • bayoubeauxns

      well i still blame you for every child that was molested by a catholic priest. it is all catholics fault and they should ALL be ashamed of themselves- sounds reasonable? not very

      June 6, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Reality

      Why did today's pope, prelates, preachers and rabbis, so focused on society's se-xual sins, lose sight of clerical se-xual sins?

      FEAR, SHAME and GUILT and COVER IT ALL UP!!!

      Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!

      Neither is coronation!!! e.g. Henry VIII, King David.

      Neither is marriage as 50% of those men convicted of pedophilia are married.

      Neither is being elected president of the USA!! e.g. Billy "I did not have se-x with that girl" Clinton, John "Marilyn Monroe" Kennedy".

      Neither is possessing super athletic skill!!! e.g. Tiger "I am so sorry for getting caught" Woods.

      Neither is being an atheist or pagan since pedophilia is present in all walks of life.

      If someone is guilty of a crime in this litany of "neithers" they should or should have been penalized as the law dictates to include jail terms for pedophiliacs (priests, rabbis, evangelicals, boy scout leaders, married men/women), divorce for adultery (Clinton, Kennedy, Woods), jail terms for obstruction of justice (Clinton, Cardinal Law) and the death penalty or life in prison for murder ("Kings David and Henry VIII).

      June 6, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
  15. Mohammer the Bomber

    Why not just kill all the muslims....it's not like they are people or anything. You put animals down when they become a threat.

    June 6, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Jack

      You're brainless.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • JOSE0311USMC

      AMERICA IS ALLOWING WAY TOO MANY FOREIGNERS IN THE COUNTRY......I'M A HISPANIC GUY AND I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY THAT AMERICA HAVE WAY TOO MANY HISPANICS, NO MORE PLEASE. END ALL LEGAL IMMIGRATION NOW.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  16. Jack

    @ Abdullah... I'm not looking for a religion but I understand enought to see what's happening around the world as a whole. Your image is very tarnished. I shouldn't have to study to understand your religion. You came here and should learn to understand us. If someone has a hobby and It interferes in my daily life I shouldn't have to go study his hobby so I can deal with it. If what you do doesn't harm or threaten me then I have no problem with what you do but your religion or in the name of your religion we were attacked and many in the world are being attacked. We had no Idea who you were or even cared until that time. it's your job to make us feel comfortable about you. We don't dislike or distrust you for religios reasons. we don't trust you because we were attcaked by something that you're member of and support.

    June 6, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  17. JOSE0311USMC

    STOP CAUSING PROBLEMS...STOP THE BOMBING AND THE KILLINGS...NYPD CAN'T TELL THE GOOD MUSLIMS FROM THE BAD ONES , SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PROFILE ALL....MUSLIMS IN THE U.K. ARE NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS, SAME IN THE U.S. END ALL LEGAL IMMIGRATION, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

    June 6, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
  18. Polli

    As there are religions and religious groups which have been banned for their "condemnable, risky, and Human sacrificial practices, I say we ban the Islamic religion in the USA period, since they tend not to follow our laws, and tend to believe that there cannot be freedom of religion....those 4 things...if body bombing and killing people in the name of "Unspeakable Name in the even that we " Insult, ridicule or otherwise debase the name of this "god"" is not sacrificial practices then what is? Why bother to allow or let more in for the 7th century tactics of this religion which the world cannot tolerate for the killing? Now, If the Imams were to state that their religion has followed the loving path of their god, then so be it, no more killing, let them stay. Otherwise let us practice what they preach, kill them off and ban their books, speak not a word of their god.

    June 6, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • MCS

      Ok Hitler... This is how it always starts!

      June 6, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  19. asdf

    If you all want evidence of exactly how silly this is, I suggest you read the reports like I did. The whole thing was a money pit. The NYPD sat outside some convenience stores (In NJ, mind you, out of their jurisdiction) and mosques for weeks. The result? Notebooks filled with garbage like "They sell 'Mecca Cola' instead of Coca-Cola because it is Hilal....No pork products sold here."

    On and on. weeks of investigating. Found NOTHING. Spent A TON.

    June 6, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Jack

      How do you know they didn't find anything... did they call you and tell you?

      June 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • asdf

      The report went public. That's how everybody found out about it. It was a joke. You could read it if you cared to look for it.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  20. upstateny

    Well New Jersey Muslims...it is your extreme religious fanatics that are still causing problems around the world, it is because of the your extremists that people here in the USA have to be delayed, humilated and treated like criminals when they go to the airport. It's your extremists that kill in God's name, use innocent children as suicide bombers...and just how are they supposed to know the difference. If you're not doing anything wrong...don't worry about it. If you think it's better in your homeland go..leave. Millions of people are "spyed" on everyday all over the world whether it's camera's at the grocery stores, work, internet. airports etc. Get over it or go home.

    June 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • what's going on

      upstate – my feelings exactly. You called a spade and spade. Too many people are bending over backwards to be politically correct. I wish they'd all go 'home' since it's so lovely in the homeland. So why are they here if they hate us so much?

      June 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Arawn

      @what's going on – they are here because their homeland is not a nice place (I spent 20 months there), so they want ours.

      June 6, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
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