June 7th, 2012
05:04 PM ET
Same-sex ceremony on Army post draws fire
By Alan Duke, CNN
(CNN) - A same-sex ceremony between an enlisted woman and a civilian woman on a U.S. Army post last month drew protests from lawmakers Thursday.
The "private religious ceremony" took place at Fort Polk in Louisiana in May, post spokesman Scott Stearns said, but he would confirm few other details.
Rep. John Fleming, a Louisiana Republican whose congressional district includes the Army post, said the military confirmed to him that the same-sex ceremony was performed by an Army chaplain in the chapel.
The incident was an inevitable consequence of the end of the don't ask, don't tell policy in September, which previously banned homosexuals from military service, Fleming said.FULL STORY
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People trying to prevent gay marriage have a very narrow field of vision. Logically blind. If it's based on faith, then have FAITH that YOUR GOD, not YOU, will handle whatever accordingly. Stop trying to be on the Earth Spiritual Police Force. If this is America, then let them live their life as they see fit. Stop fighting over a word (marriage). It's infantile. And if Jesus is your guy, I doubt he'd be happy with his flock. So judgemental. Hypocritical. Self-hating. It's really sad most of the faithful can't grasp the true gems in their ancient texts.
Very well said, sir.
For all you "first you must prove your God exists" people:
And if this indeed be true, what's your next move?
ow if you can just get this published in a respected, pear reviewed anthropology journal instead of some Christian propaganda web site with an obvious bias, you would actually might some evidence. But for now it’s every bit as believable as the evidence for UFO abductions.
Which of the following scenarios is more likely:
1) Moses chanelled supernatural powers and caused the waters of the sea to part in the middle, making a dry path for the Israelites to walk
2) The fleeing slaves, unenc.umbered by armour, horses, chariots, weapons and other such weighty items were better able to reach the other side than their pursuers.
Here's the story of someone else who crossed the Red Sea:
"One day, with quite a retinue, Napoleon made an excursion to that identical point of the Red Sea which, as tradition reports, the children of Israel crossed three thousand years ago. The tide was out, and passed over the Asiatic shore upon extended flats. Various objects of interest engrossed his attention until late in the afternoon, when he commenced his return, the twilight faded away, and darkness came rapidly on. The party lost their path, and, as they were wandering bewildered among the sands, the rapidly returning tide surrounded them. The darkness of the night increased, and the horses floundered deeper and deeper in the rising waves. The water reached the girths of the saddles, and dashed upon the feet of the riders, and destruction seemed inevitable. From that perilous position Napoleon extricated himself by that presence of mind and promptness of decision which seemed never to fail him… The horses did not reach the shore until midnight, when they were wading breast deep in the swelling waves. The tide rises on that part of the coast to the height of 22 feet. ‘Had I perished in that manner like Pharaoh,’ said Napoleon, ‘it would have furnished all the preachers of Christendom with a magnificent text against me.’” (Abbot’s Life of Napoleon, Chapter 12, p. 96).
Having been a SCUBA diver for many years and having seen how coral completely engulfs things, I’d say the pictures of chariot parts are modern copies and were planted by the photographer. That stuff just doesn’t look like it’s been exposed underwater for over 3000 years. Just look at the T1tanic, it hasn’t been underwater for 100 years and it’s already rotting away
So they took pictures of this supposed gold wheel hasn't been completely covered over by sediment over the years? The other chariot parts not made of gold didn't rot/rust away? They took pictures but they didn't bother to try to grab any of the stuff to study it? They claim human remains (which would have disappeared in coral/sediment long ago) litter the seabed like a battlefield yet they provide no pictures? All this in addition to the fact that throughout all of the desert over there, not one piece of archealogical evidence indicates that a large group of nomads (possibly numbering over a million) ever set foot in the desert? Yeah, sounds legit.
World Nut Daily?
That's your "source"?
Geez, you might as well claim you use AIG and NARTH as valid sources too. Sure, you can, but it just shows how incredibly ignorant you are about science.
Oh please. Divers fake "finds" all the time. I've done some wreck diving and a lot of diving among coral beds, and these look like they've been planted.
Let's have some real historians examine them and publish their findings in a peer-reviewed journal, not some religious rag. Until then, my "next move" is to laugh at how gullible some people are.
Ron Wyatt, the "discoverer" of these items claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments. This was back in the late 70s and early 80s. His "discoveries" were even dismissed by his own 7th-Day Adventist church.
Mr. Wyatt was not an Archaeologist, he was a nurse anesthetist. I'm not saying that an untrained person couldn't have found something amazing, but do you really think an untrained person would have found all those things that people have been searching for for centuries? Not likely.
Even Wyatt's wife, Mary Nell, was skeptical of his finds after a while. She said of her first dive with him that she thought every piece of coral was a chariot wheel. After a few more, she became more sensible about what might and might not be an artifact.
Oh, and one last thing: the "chariot wheel" that Wyatt pulled up? It's been "lost" for decades, nobody other than Wyatt has ever seen it, and nobody has found the authority on Egyptian artifacts that Wyatt claimed verified it as an Egyptian wheel.
All this kind of adds up to a whole lot of B.S.
There were a few human bones pulled out of the Red Sea. That's true. Of course, there are human bones in pretty much every body of water in the world outside of Antarctic and Arctic waters, so all that proves is that one or two people had a bad afternoon of swimming.
It seems that our next move was to completely discredit those findings with the application of basic logic.
If you have any other "evidence" proving the Bible to be true, we'd be happy to slice it to shreds with Occam's Razor for you.
“Because coral does not attach to gold or silver, this priceless specimen remains untarnished by time,” he said, calling it “strong evidence that this is actually one of the two chariot wheels that the pharaoh rode to his death.”
You might be a scuba diver, but no marine biologist. Or you just can't read.
It is fraud created by Ron Wyatt liek the Council of Nicea creating the Word of God we call the bible. Christians believe in frauds everyday....they need their frauds for their weak minds
Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer and former nurse anaesthetist noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, among other Bible-related pseudoarchaeology. His claims were dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but his work continues to have a following among some fundamentalists and evangelicals.
GEEEEEEEEEEZ a following from ignorant groups...surprise! lol Bet HeavenSent just loves this guy.
Doc V., You assume a crossing at a different location for Napolean. If I'm reading the article correctly, it presents the crossing site as a 5% grade to a depth of 900 ft. The shift of a 22 ft. tide would be irrelevant. Besides Doc, you'll notice I said "if" this be true....I'm well aware that their are people out there trying to make a buck off gullible Christians who would cling to this "evidence" hoping it to be true. I'm also aware that this could be a false flag in that it could be actually presented(knowingly so) by some upscrupulous dirt bag who wants to simply have it debunked, thus giving the Christians a black eye. I wasn't born last night, Doc. Personally, whether this is the actual site with actual Egyptian military hardware really would come as no shock to me. I believe the Word of God. Just because I don't understand it yet, doesn't mean it isn't true. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't just some clever hoax, either. I would think Joseph Farrah would've checked into this story before just running out and publishing it. But back to the origian question, "if"...you never did answer the question.
Sometimes the church tries to outthink God. For instance, for years they tried to allegorize a literal re-gathering of Israel. However, May 15, 1948 proved them to be incorrect, as the re-gather of Israel began. Funny how the extinct language of Hebrew made a mysterious comeback too, eh?
The rest of you are bashing this Wyatt guy. All the article says about him is that he found the pillars that supposedly mark the crossing site. Gee, there's a picture of one of the pillars-so do they exist-or don't they? Seriously, you people don't score well on reading comprehension tests do you?
The rest of you are bashing this Wyatt guy.
No just pointing out he lacks integrity. You might want to find better sources.
"there's a picture of one of the pillars-so do they exist-or don't they?"
So, what does that prove?... that Solomon (or whoever had them built 400 +/- years after the alleged event) believed the legend of the exodus.
Aren't they what Wyatt is claimed to have discovered?
1. Do they indeed exist or not?
2. Did this Wyatt guy discover them or not?
3. Wyatt appears to have no further bearing on the article.
You need to go back and read your opening post. You are using them as proof for the existence of "God". They are nothing of the sort.
God could descend from heaven and set foot on the 50 yard line during the super bowl and you still won't believe. Perhaps it's that you don't want to acknowledge Him because you're too busy being your own god.
Perhaps it's just that we see the sort of morons who believe and conclude that belief=stupidity, KEEF. When you can show any evidence to disprove this impression, go for it, ya friggin' idiot.
For those of you who still "sympathize" with KEEF, keep in mind that this moron thinks Obama isn't an American citizen and that he is a Muslim.
Context is everything.
Good morning Tommie the commie, Just because YOU can't seem to see the many anomolies with the "birth certificate" that Obama produced nor the evidence that his draft card is fake, nor that his publishing company described him as Kenyan born on two different occasions doesn't mean that the rest of us with thinking brains will gladly gulp the kool-aid of which you so willing partake of.
Wahahahhhhaha. Thanks for showing everyone just how inane you are, KEEFIE.
it's spelled innane
It is appointed unto man, once to die then the judgement. God bless
No, trey, ya sh!twit, it isn't spelled "innane". Look it up.
A military base is a federal government installation. The state has no jurisdiction there, right?
Someone will want to marry their dog soon. I mean animals have rights, don't they?
Your ignorance knows no bounds...
Humans can consent. Dogs cannot. How is the weather on the horrible planet you live on?
Don't scoff too soon. Some people treat their dogs like, or even better than, their actual children, and I know that you can count a lot of Christians among them. They may not want to marry them, but "puppy parents" might be thinking about adopting their pets. 🙂
Did your pastor tell you this on Sunday? Are you really that gullible?
"Did your pastor tell you this on Sunday? Are you really that gullible?"
Is "gullible" the new "stupid".
You have a VERY poor understanding of history. You confuse Atheism with political power and the paranoia Stalin had to keep that power. His actions were NOT guided by Atheism, but rather by political goals and gains. After you finish summer school for your 3rd year of 6th grade, try taking a poli-sci course, so you'd learn the inherent flaws of Coomunism when human nature is thrown into that equation.
Hitler was a catholic whom the pope publicly backed because he was doing 'gods work' by killing millions.
No wait, plus there was the inquisition, the entirety of the dark ages, honor killings commonplace, women burned at the stake, people told to kill those who don't believe... Etc.
I think the Christians are winning in total number of people killed for their belief. Especially when Stalin was killing because of his lust for power and not in the name of atheism.
"You confuse Atheism with political power and the paranoia Stalin had to keep that power. His actions were NOT guided by Atheism"
One can judge a tree by the fruit it gives. So if Atheism is liberating, why does it breed paranoia, wrath and isolation?
A common flaw in logic is that whatever motivates a religious person is the same that motivates someone that lacks that belief. When Christians kill they find moral justification.
"When Christians kill they find moral justification.
So do we kill first and then justify? Or do we rely on The Commandments?
It doesn't, you can say the same thing when looking at Christianity and Hitler. Or Christianity and pedo priests, or Christianity and bigots against interracial marriage.
Communist leaders like Pol Pot and Stalin would not have been charismatic enough to gain converts had they not learned the discourse of dogmatic persuasion from religious inst/itutions.
Pol Pot spent 8 years at a Catholic school in Phnom Penh and Stalin 5 years at a Russian orthodox seminary. Historians have noted their speaking and writing styles ape those of the Church in being 'declamatory and repet.itive, with liturgical overtones”.
While they both sought to eliminate traditional religions from their kingdoms, they did so in order to divert the common man’s fervour to their own cults of personality.
As Karl Marx himself noted “Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation...”
Hitler’s Third Reich, on the other hand, was no friend to atheists and encouraged religion in Germany. Having been exposed to religious methods of persuasion in school at a Benedictine cloister, Hitler recognized religion’s power to keep the people compliant.
Instead of purging faith like the Communist regimes, he purged atheism:
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942
While Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot put themselves into the Godhead position, Hitler publically professed his Christianity until his dying day and used Christian arguments to whip his people into a frenzy. This is why Nazi uniform belt buckles were emblazoned with the slogan “Gott mit uns” (God is with us).
Each of these leaders wielded their people’s predilection for faith like a weapon. Atheism is not the prime cause for these tragic regimes – the misdirection of faith is.
Like religion, they demanded blind obedience and obsequious submission from their followers. They tolerated no free-thinkers and enforced dogmatism – a trick they learned from their religious educations.
@StandupforTruth:”"So do we kill first and then justify? Or do we rely on The Commandments?”
Christian butcher usually rely on Leviticus and Deuteronomy for their justification.
And Moses said unto them “Have ye saved all the women alive?... Now therefore Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him, but all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves” Num 31:1-2, 9-11, 14-18
my point was? To prove to atheists that atheists actually have killed the most history has ever seen.
They did it because they could yet NO atheist stand up against Stalin or any other atheistic leader who murdered and kill their own people.
The religion of atheism(The belief there is no God without proof) has killed the most.100 million died because of their cruel intentions yet they did not kill in the name of atheism or God.
They killed because they could.To be an atheist one must look at themselves as a god of their world.
That's how they viewed world."I'm God now of my own world and this world".
Don't deny your own history of atheism folks.Atheism is responsible for the murder of close to 100 million people.
Oh wait..and here comes those dumb excuses from the atheists
Stalin was an atheist that killed millions
So your case against atheism is based on the example of Stalin. Okay lol Case closed??? You never had a case
The workings of a simple mind are an amazing thing.
Atheism is a negative statement that says only what one does NOT believe.
It does not imply any behaviours, morals, or characteristics whatsoever.
Stalin not wave a banner of atheism for the populace to rally around – his was a cult of personality.
It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.
This is true whether we're talking about Stalin or Ahmadinejad.
Stalin was an atheist that killed millions
my point was? To prove to atheists that atheists actually have killed the most history has ever seen.
I believe Stalin had black hair. Your ridiculous logic could just as meaningfully be restated as, "people with black hair have killed the most".
"To prove to atheists that atheists actually have killed the most history has ever seen."
Religion has killed around 480 million throughout human history so atheists aren't your problem. They recently revised the numbers on how many Native Americans Christians killed when they stole the Americas, it's close to 50 million. Duh!
Stalin was an atheist that killed millions
Seriously, I have seen some really stupid people in these blogs but I think I found #1 today. lol REALLY really think about your basis.
More people have been murdered by atheists in the last100 years than were killed in all previous centuries combined. God bless
Even if what you claim were true, just lying, so what?
THIS ARTICLE SUCKS.
i dont agree with letting this happen in military army bases cuz its gross and we dont want them in the army in the first place
Thanks for that informative, unbiased, un-bigotted, compassionate, and empathetic response.
Now go back to your cave.
Well Sam, then dont marry someone of the same se-x on a military base! that should solve your problem!
By "we", do you mean hateful ignorant bigots?
Sybil? Is that you?
"We"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? or are you talking about you and your other 15 personalities?
Sam, are you in the army by some chance?
if they was upholding the law before obama took hold then this wouldnt be happening
its cuz of the gays in the army and the solders dont want it and we dont either
Ahh, Faux News.... perhaps the last bastion of honest, unbiased news in the entire world. Now it makes sense
"if they was upholding the law before obama took hold then this wouldnt be happening"
If you was using any semblance of proper grammar you would sound a lot less like a knuckle dragging retard.
"i dont agree with letting this happen in military army bases cuz its gross and we dont want them in the army in the first place"
"i dont agree with letting this happen in military army bases cuz its gross and we dont want them in the army in the first place"
Oops that posted without a commment. This is about civil rights. Duh.
Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.
FAUX News? You are seriously using FAUX News as a credible source? Let's play a game of, "Which of these is not like the others?"
CNN CNBC MSNBC ABC CBS NBC FOX
Now, the question is, which of these news organizations went to federal court and the FCC claiming they had a constîtutional right to LIE to the public during their newscasts?
Did you figure it out yet?
Do you need a hint?
OK, It wasn't CNN. It isn't CNBC. It isn't MSNBC. It isn't ABC. It isn't CBS. It isn't NBC.
Now did you get it?
You said, "if they was upholding the law before obama took hold then this wouldnt be happening
Let me guess. Based on your atrocious writing, I suspect you didn't read the article. I bet you took your bigoted views and a headline, put 2 and 2 together and got 5.
You said, "its cuz of the gays in the army and the solders dont want it and we dont either"
Nowhere in the article is it even mentioned as a possibility for the increase.
Only because none of my compatriots has mentioned this yet (I think):
You mean to say that military personnel would rather commit suicide than serve next to an openly gay person? Seriously?
Some of you in here need to learn how to treat people.
this is the room of extremism apparently.
Why? Even though somethings you said were harsh, it seem other people took the opportunity to get at you unjustly. Believe in anything you want to believe.
It's all good Nena, I can take it! 🙂
Why? = Nena.
This is blatantly obvious. Just another name-swapping troll D-Bag.
Yup! You caught me!
And, just in case you're wondering how I was able to figure out such masterfully constructed and almost impossible to detect trickery....
Both "WHY?" and "Nena" names are hyperlinked to the same page:
Yeah. Looks like you forgot to change that little setting.
Burning whizzer, shouldnt you be using Tom toms name like you were doin earlier?
I wasn't here earlier. And I don't care for Tom either. Just as I don't care for you. In case you're still stupid enough to think I'm that worthless pile, you might want to carefully compare sentence structure. You may also find that Tom is female, or so it claims. I am not.
Do you think I care for you?
Based on your moronic presumption, it is safe to say you've confirmed the fact that I'm not the only one here that wishes you were being crammed feet first into a slow-grinding wood chipper as Ron Jeremy watches and intensely tosses one off.
Ron Jeremy? Really? Is he your hero? Is that how you got the the burning whizzer?
This evening, I had meatloaf. I have to say, it was not as satisfying as the Taco Bell I consumed last evening. Although, it was filling. The truth is that nickelback isn't even a real band. The sound you hear from any nickelback record is equal to the sound of kittens being tossed carelessly into a wood chipper. If you support nickelback, you also support tossing kittens carelessly into a wood chipper.
If you have some sort of urinary tract infection you should see a doctor right away.
I promise you with all of my heart I will see a doctor if an issue arises from my unhealthy diet.
So your whizzer isn't burning? Or are you projecting your desires for a painful discharge and identifying with it?
No, wait, let me guess: You thought your choice of name would give your words more credibility? Or help people visualize your personal online avatar as being representative of your sense of humor? Or were you just grasping at burning whizzers?
That isn't even remotely funny. You're one of those people that tries to jump into the conversation with a forced quip that never comes out right. Everyone in the circle stands there awkwardly, some of which turn in shame for you and try to avoid eye contact. This sums up your entire life.
Ah. Your whizzer burns. Okay, got it.
You're so clever and witty.
I'm just laughing at your silliness. Is this place boring in the middle of the night or what?
What area are you posting from? I'm on the West Coast.
Have you ever heard of a fat C0CK? you shove one up you azz, then choke on it!!
We have not heard of this. As you seem to be an expert, can you tell us more?
Madtown, you'll have to look it up... I can elaborate on that for you at this time!
You can elaborate? Oh, please continue.
You've had enough elaboration on the matter, thats how you got the burning whizz!!
go smash it with a Mallet!
And while youre at smash your head too!!
Burning whizzer youre the troll! You're also WWJD!! SO GO FUK YOURSELF WITH YOUR BURNING WHIZZER!
No stupid. I'm an Atheist.
And all of this has WHAT to do with the topic at hand???
Jesus will return soon because the signs of the end times are all around us. Look there is war all over and drugs and gay disease are rampant. Children are being taught that it is ok to CHOOSE to be gay and they are taking GOD out of schools! Children are disobedient to their parents. I can't wait for Jesus to return so that all this disgusting disease are gone!
Calm down, princess. Pastors have been bawling out threats of the end times for 2000 years. It wasn't true then and it's not true now.
Besides, you know that Jesus comes back on a throne wrapped in a big ole rainbow, right? It'll be a giant pride parade!
Leviticus 25:44-46 reads, “Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession!!
Thats what you bible thinks about children! And dont even waste your time trying to tell me that those were different times back then...
Thats what's wrong with your idiology that you call your religion... Everytime someone calls you out on the fuk'n evil ways of your kind, you change, or pretend that the interpretation is different. When the fact of the matter is, your bible was written, by men for men!!!
People, as tempting as it is, don't feed this obvious troll. Make him work a little harder for the attention, this effort is not worthy.
Which troll? "WWJD" or "WHY?" They're both mongrel retards.
Burning whizz, shut up!
I've seen you changed your name from "WHY?" to "Nena." Trying to start fresh? It's not working. You may now kindly go away.
No burning whizzer! im still here!
Now choke on your taco!
Which is euphemism for a fat one!
A fat one what?
And you call others stupid?
"Fat one" went down the toilet with the 80's.
Everyone look busy. Jesus is coming.
"Children are being taught that it is ok to CHOOSE to be gay and they are taking GOD out of schools! "
All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.
The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.
On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"
The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.
Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).
There are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.
“I can't wait for Jesus to return so that all this disgusting disease are gone!“
I don’t think you should have to wait. Why don’t you go rapture yourself. It’s a win win situation, you will be free of “disgusting diseases” and we will be free of you
Legalizing gay marriage is the same as legalizing pedo activity and needs to be stopped. Vote for politicians with real moral Christian values to end atheism which is a sin and end gay marriage permanently. Lock them all up behind a fence so they can't breed and throw away the key and then we can forget about them ever existing and spreading their AIDS everywhere!
Fuk you, you child molesting supporter! You should be ashamed of yourself and what your fuk'n leaders have done to children throughout history! You should be the one locked in a fence and then beat To d3ath by the very children your church leaders have molested you fuk'n pervert!! You make me sick!!
To paraphrase a previous poster: legalize kissing and you might as well legalize prostitution.
Brilliant Argument. Fail.
I am not a catholic and I do not condone or support the activities of catholic priests you are full of HATE and need to ask Jesus for forgiveness to what YOUR KIND have done to our children you are SICK!!!
My kind? What kind is that?
You're the one supporting perverts, adhering to a book that supports the buying and selling of children into slavery!! You sick delusional fuk! TAKE OFF YOUR FUK'N TIN FOIL HAT, AND WAKE THE FUK UP YOU FUK'N ZOMBIE!!
Troll alert! Ignore.
"Legalizing gay marriage is the same as legalizing pedo activity and needs to be stopped."
DUMBAZZ!! CHILDREN CAN'T CONSENT, GAYS CAN...GEEBUS CHRISTE YOU ARE RETARDED
wwjd: Locking up Atheists and gay people won't stop anything. Straight people will still bring gay children in to this world. I know that you are not intelligent enough to comprehend that this is the 21st century and that the book you accept to hold the only facts is 2000 years old. A recent study shows that 54% of people in the USA support gay marriage, so it looks like your type of delusion and bigotry in on the decline. Time to go back to your cave...an Atheist developed your computer, no god needed.
"Lock them all up behind a fence so they can't breed and throw away the key and then we can forget about them ever existing and spreading their AIDS everywhere!"
Wow are you clueless on this subject. 70% of the people infected with AIDS are straight and live in Africa. It's amazing the LIES the Christians come up with to try and justify their unfounded prejudice and bigotry. Duh!
There are two different “10 Commandments” in the bible
The First Tablets (Exodus 20)
The Second Tablets (Exodus 34)
1. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.
1. [Y]ou shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
2. You shall not make for yourself
a graven image. [Y]ou shall not bow down to them or serve them.
2. You shall make for yourself no molten gods.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
3. The feast of unleavened bread you shall keep.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
4. All that opens the womb is mine.
[Sacrifice firstborn male animals to Yahweh.]
5. Honor your father and your mother.
5. Six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest..
6. You shall not kill.
6. [Y]ou shall observe the feast of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. You shall not steal.
8. [N]either shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left until the morning.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. The first of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the LORD your God.
10. You shall not covet.
10. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.
ISNT IT ODD, THAT IN 2 VERY DIFFERENT “10 COMMANDMENT” THERE IS NOT 1 COMMANDMENT, NOT 1, THAT SAY YOU SHALL NOT MOLEST CHILDREN!!
NO COMMANDMENT TO PROTECT CHILDREN, YET THERE ARE COMMANDMENTS THAT PROTECT MEN, AND THEIR “PROPERTY”!!!
WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT TO GOD?
MATERIALS? OR THE LIFE AND WELL BEING OF OUR CHILDREN???
THIS IS CLEAR INDICATION THAT THE BIBLE AND THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE WRITTEN BY MEN, AND FOR MEN!!!
MAN GAVE YOU RELIGION, GOD GAVE YOU REASON!!
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THE IMPOSTERS POSING AS MEN OF GOD!!!
Wow. Calm down. Don't hurt yourself. It's gonna be ok. 🙂
No you won't find a specific commandment that says: you shall not molest children, as there are many other specific commandments not listed. However, all sins can be covered by one or more of the Ten Commandments. In the case of child molestation I think that could fall under “Thou shalt not steal” To molest a child the perpetrator is stealing the innocence of a child, or taking away the dignity of the child. At any rate the perpetrator is taking something that is not lawfully his/hers.
Good point. You forgot however, the very grave passage where Jesus surrounds himself with little children and says that it would be better for a person to commit suicide rather than harm one of them or cause them to sin. His exact words in the text were,
"It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin" -Luke 17:2
Rev. Joseph Reeder
In the earlier article about that little kid singing about gays not getting into heaven, did whoever put him up to it sin?
@Rev. Joseph Reeder It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin" -Luke 17:2
NO, NO, NO! you are taking this out of context. What it really means is that “it would be better to protect someone and transfer to a place of better pickings if they rpae a little one”. Just like the catholic church has demonstrated.
Hey, everyone. If anyone has any questions about Christianity I'd love to talk with you.
Let's pick up where we left off, shall we?
Why does god explicitly allow males to own sex slaves. In what universe would a perfect, thus unchanging, god find this to be morally acceptable?
Why does god want women to be silent? Why did he not create women as equals?
Haha. Hey, Squirrel. What's up?
Can you give me verses so I can go read up on it?
Women are equal. We just have different roles in life.
How, exactly, would you define 'equal'? In the Animal Farm or Jim Crow way?
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." 1 Timothy 2:12
For selling your daughter as a slave, try Exodus 21:7-11 which has the added benefit of implicitly allowing polygamy.
Leviticus 27:3-7 is how God lets little girls and women know they are not worth much. It reads, "And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels." How do you explain to innocent impressionable children that their Creator, God, has put a monetary value on them? And an extremely low one at that! And that God thinks girls are worth only about half as much as boys! Also, the Bible god does not even bother putting a value on infants younger than one month let alone on unborn babies.
That pas.sage is talking about the roles of people in a church.
So, women are not to have any authority in the church. They are to be silent when dealing with matters relating to god. And yet they're still equal. Riiiight. Does 1=3 in your world? I guess all people are equal, some are just more equal than others, right?
Exodus 21:7-11 ... This passage is about protecting women from the wrongdoings of their master. Not sure what you are reading that is saying polygamy is OK.
Do you also want me to spoon feed you passages where women are told to be subservient to their husbands? Or how about when god commands that rape victims be put to death – cause that's so very moral.
"If he himself marries her and then takes another wife"
How does that NOT involve polygamy? And protecting the woman? Are you nuts? It talks about selling her into slavery. What exactly do you think is meant by 'pleasing'
Wow are you dense.
Sigh. You can keep up with quoting verses you don't like, but where is it going to get you? One day you will die and you'll stand before God. What are you going to say? How will you justify yourself and your sins?
Topher .. what about the five billion on this planet who are NOT chrstian .. will they stand in front of YOUR "god" as well to be judged, then condemned because they didn't follow your dead jesus zombie guy?
"If he himself marries her and then takes another wife"
Just because the man does this doesn't mean God is condoning it.
"And protecting the woman? Are you nuts? It talks about selling her into slavery."
Dude, read the verses ... "he shall let her be redeemed" ... "He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people" ... "If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter" ... "If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights."
Wow are you dense.
"Topher .. what about the five billion on this planet who are NOT chrstian .. will they stand in front of YOUR "god" as well to be judged, then condemned because they didn't follow your dead jesus zombie guy?"
Yes, they will all stand before Him and be judged. But they won't be condemned because they didn't follow Jesus. They will be condemned because they've sinned against Him. You are saved by Christ because He paid the fines for your sins so you don't have to go to Hell.
Suppose you were a man who 1usted after a certain female vir-gin who was not romantically interested in you. All you had to do, if you were an Isr-ae-lite, was ra-pe her, pay her father some money, and then marry her. After that, you could ra-pe her almost every night because she would be your wife. It sounds like this rule was invented by an ugly, odi-ous, and exceedingly ho-rny male Isr-ae-lite.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is where thats located in the bible. Just incase you wanted to look it up for yourself.
The same questions stands to you. What are you going to do on Judgment Day? Whine and cry and quote Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy? It's not going to help you.
There won't be a judgment day. Jesus claimed he'd return before his then-living followers died. They all died. He didn't return. End of story.
Topher, just how bigoted and ignorant are you? Your "god" is supposedly perfect, yet creates imperfect beings, then judges and condemns them on those imperfections. Your little "holy book" is, in your feeble mind, the word of a "god", so why NOT use "his" own words against him?
Holy Logic Fail. If god didn't condone someone taking another wife, then the verse would have read 'if he takes her as his wife, then he obviously can't take another wife since marriage is just between two people'
But it doesn't say that, does it.
And really, is your defense of these obviously immoral passages just 'you're going to burn in hell'? HAHAHAHA. Pathetic.
There is no hell. There won't be any judgement day. I won't get a visit from the tooth fairy if I leave a tooth under my pillow, santa isn't bringing me presents on Christmas and Harry Potter isn't going to save the world. I mean, given that I dno't believe in your god, do you see how hopelessly empty such attempts at extortion are? And that's really what your god is doing, extortion – believe in me or I'll torture you. It's sadistic. Your god is more like a teenager playing the Sims than a benevolent deity.
""He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people"
Oh, you're right. I was being dense. I mean, selling her is OBVIOUSLY moral. Selling her to foreigners would be BAD. So, slavery is moral so long as the trade isn't international. Thanks for that.
Whatever moral compass you're using, it seems to be broken.
"Topher, just how bigoted and ignorant are you? Your "god" is supposedly perfect, yet creates imperfect beings, then judges and condemns them on those imperfections."
Wrong. If you're going to rant against something, read it first. God did create perfect beings. When Adam sinned, the world became "fallen." You will be judged on your sins. Why won't you answer the question?
"You can keep up with quoting verses you don't like, but where is it going to get you?"
Why not just say, "my book is obviously immoral and I have absolutely no defense for that. I can't explain it. But I'm completely invested in thinking it's true, so I'll continue to base my life on a flawed and immoral book." Because that's all you've given me so far.
Answer the question.
A perfect being is incapable of falling.
Topher – try this one on for size: why does your god create a being he knows will be eternally tortured? Is that not sadistic? Your own god said it would be better if that being was never created ... so why did he create it? Your god is a walking, talking contradiction (or isn't omnipotent or benevolent)
Topher, your question is completely as irrelevant as if I said what are you going to do when you die and meet Zeus? How are you going to account for worshipping a false god when Zeus told you he was the real one?
Pointless question. But nice attempt and deflecting and dodging.
Why does a benevolent and omnipotent deity punish his creations for the sins of their fathers?
"why does your god create a being he knows will be eternally tortured?"
Whether you will be tortured is up to you. That's your choice. He is offering you a way out. Why won't you take it.
And answer the question.
Topher, what IS your question?
He doen't need to punish you based on your father's sins. You've done enough blaspheming tonight on your own.
But your god already knows the choice before I'm created. He knows he will allow me to be tortured before ever giving me the opportunity to make the choice.
If a father knew his child was going to get permanently hurt, could prevent it from happening, but sat by and did nothing, would you say that father was loving? What if, after the fact, the father could take away the pain, but chose not to, wold you still consider that to be a loving father.
And, hypothetically, if I'm standing before your god on judgement day I'll ask why did he give me a brain if he didn't want me to use it.
How will you justify yourself on Judgment Day?
Once again, you can't answer a simple question. Why does your god punish all of his creation because of the choice of two individuals thousands of years ago. In what context is that loving?
Topher, since your god does not exist all your blathering is worthless. You have no god, just an imaginary one in your head.
@Topher – how will you justify yourself to Zeus?
ANSWER THE QUESTION!!
"But your god already knows the choice before I'm created. He knows he will allow me to be tortured before ever giving me the opportunity to make the choice."
Again, He isn't choosing it for you. In fact He's already taken the punishment you deserve. It's up to you whether you are punished. Do you really think he WANTS to punish you? I'm sure you think I have some evil motives, but I just don't want you to go to Hell. Why would I be telling you this otherwise? I don't want your money and I'm not inviting you to my church. Bear with me on this ... IF Christianity is true and God has died in your place, why wouldn't you want this? And IF I someone could prove it was true, would you become a Christian?
You've yet to answer a single question that didn't amount to a weak defense of slavery or a god with relativistic, changing (and therefore imperfect) morals. You are unable to defend the more inconvenient passages of your bible, of which I've only asked about a trivial amount. You cannot defend the obviously logical fallacies that christianity puts forth. I sincerely hope that you do some internal searching. Read about other faiths. Read independent religious scholars. Open and expand your mind. Educate yourself It's quite liberating. Letting go of my faith was the healthiest and one of the most fulfilling things I've ever done in my life.
@ Juggling ... nice paraphrase of Epicurus .... do you think Topher would be able to wrap his lone brain cell around that? And for Topher, out of the THOUSANDS upon thousands of "gods" worshipped by man throughout history, what makes you think you have the RIGHT one? (read Pascal's Wager)
Topher, are you just trolling? Truly no one can be this obtuse.
Your god allows people to be eternally tortured for decisions made, relatively, in far less than a blink of an eye. That you're attempting to excuse that is, frankly, disgusting. You're missing the whole point. Your god knows what I'm going to choose before he even allows me to be created. He creates me knowing he's going to torture me. How can you possibly justify such sadistic behavior? If you had the ability to stop someone's ETERNAL suffering, regardless of who's choice it was, wouldn't you do it? Your god is basically allowing me to be tortured for guessing wrong. Or, in the case of most people, he's torturing them for being born in the wrong geographic area since that's far and away the primary factor for what religion one has as an adult.
And your god didn't 'take punishment'. Either that or he isn't omnipotent. The concept of sacrifice to an omnipotent being is ludicrous.
wow! Gopher, you sound like a true believer!
Try this, your bible says the following!
Mark 16:17-18 which says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.
So go drink a lethal dose of strychnine, and see if your still here tomorrow!
"Once again, you can't answer a simple question. Why does your god punish all of his creation because of the choice of two individuals thousands of years ago. In what context is that loving?"
While it is Adam's fault sin entered the world it is YOUR fault for sinning.
How many times in your life have you told a lie? Just take a guess at the number.
Have you ever stolen anything? It doesn't matter if it is a long time ago or of its value. It could have been change off a counter, a song you illegally downloaded or a piece of candy at the store.
Have you taken the Lord's name in vain? Said OM-! Do you realize how serious this is? God says he won't hold him blameless who takes His name in vain.
And the one that gets all of us men ... Jesus said you've heard by them of old that you should not commit adultery, but I say to you whoever looks at a woman, to lust after them, has committed adultery already with them in your heart. If you're a man and have blood in your veins you've got to admit you've done that a ton of times.
But despite how wicked we are, God loved us so much He came and took the punishment we deserve. Go read about the beatings and punishment He took even before the cross. This is love. Deny it if you want, but there is no greater love.
Your god took punishment? SO, you're god obviously isn't omnipotent. But then again, your god keeps secrets from himself, so I suppose that isn't surprising.
And you still didn't answer the question. Deflect, deflect deflect – do you have any other response?
Topher, if Jesus ever existed in the first place....
You fail to address what I stated earlier. If you've read your bible, then you'd know that jesus himself lied. It's the red scripture in the bible. Go on, read it.
"If you had the ability to stop someone's ETERNAL suffering, regardless of who's choice it was, wouldn't you do it?"
Isn't it obvious that's what I'm trying to do here?
And there most certainly is a greater love. How about 'I will not allow any of my creations to suffer eternally'. There. Easy.
Frankly, the idea that your god is loving is primarily based upon a single passage from John – frankly, the least reliable of any of the gospels. The Hebrews knew perfectly well that their god was a war god, which is why the made a pact with him in the first place and which is why the god of the OT is so blood thirsty. But you'd have to actually read your bible to know that.
So, stopping someone's eternal torture is obviously moral. Yet, your god has the ability to do it, but won't. Ergo, your god is not moral. Thanks for proving the point.
And, really, if you want to convince someone that your argument is the correct one, issuing threats really isn't the way to go, especially when the threats on the receiving end are necessarily impotent.
You still haven't answered what you'll say to Zeus before he sends you to Hades.
If you'd prefer, you can tell us what you'll say to Ra before he lets Ammit have at you.
But I'm guessing you'll continue to ignore the questions you find inconvenient.
"So, stopping someone's eternal torture is obviously moral. Yet, your god has the ability to do it, but won't. Ergo, your god is not moral. Thanks for proving the point."
He's moral. And just. Which means He'll give you what you deserve. And HE WILL save you from torment. Have you not read anything I've said, or is your heart that hardened? He took the punishment you deserve so you don't have to.
Nothing inconvenient about it. What did Zeus or Ra have to say about going to Heaven? Not much. And they are false Gods so I'm not too worried.
Just because you say he's moral doesn't make it so. And you've made it quite clear that he won't save me, because I've chosen to use the brain he gave me. You completely skipped over your obvious contradiction. You've just spent the last several posts saying how he won't save me. Now he will? Which is it?
Stopping someone's eternal torture, regardless of the choice, is moral. Your god doesn't do this. Your god isn't moral. He's evil. You worship an evil god. You can say he's loving all you want, but in doing so you're just making claims that are demonstrably illogical.
So you won't answer the question – just more deflection. This is getting to be rather boring.
So your god is the true god. Because your book says so. And why do you know you're book is correct? Because the book says so. Brilliant.
We're actually fairly similar, you realize. We both reject tens of thousands of gods. I just go one further.
"And you've made it quite clear that he won't save me, because I've chosen to use the brain he gave me. You completely skipped over your obvious contradiction. You've just spent the last several posts saying how he won't save me. Now he will? Which is it?"
If I've misrepresented the Gospel I apologize. But I don't think I have. You can be saved. It's not too late for you. You aren't dead yet. But be careful, none of us are promised another day.
Here's the Gospel. You've sinned. You deserve Hell. God came to earth and took the punishment you deserve for those sins on the cross then rose from the grave defeating death. What you must do is repent of your sins (that means not just say you are sorry, but turn away from them) and trust Him to do what He said He'd do. When you do this, you'll be "born again" meaning you'll have a new heart and new desires. You won't want to commit those sins anymore and you'll love the things of God.
The Egyptians had their Coffin Texts regarding the wishes of Ra (Re) in the afterlife. They are way older than your Hebrew "God" stories - around 2200 BC.
Their Pyramid Texts are even older - 2400 BC, although they dealt mainly with Pharaoh's afterlife.
You'd better get right with Ra...
The Hebrews grabbed some of their supernatural ideas from the Egyptians and even from Hindu stories, which are much older too.
The NT is simply "Judaism: The Sequel"
There is no evidence for those supernatural beings.... any of them.
@Topher:”Sigh. You can keep up with quoting verses you don't like, but where is it going to get you? One day you will die and you'll stand before God. What are you going to say? How will you justify yourself and your sins?”
Typical dishonest, cowardly Christian. When he is finally cornered and presented with the with the evil and depravity of his own religion, he desperately try’s to change the subject to: you’re going to go to hell
ATHEISTS UNWITTINGLY OBEY AND WORSHIP SATAN WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING IT
Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:
† Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
† Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
† Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists)
† Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
† Atheists causes problem in our religious society.
† Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
† Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
† Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
† No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
† Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
† Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
† Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
† Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
† Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
† Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
† Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
† All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
† The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
† Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
**Only 2-3% of the U.S. are Atheists/Agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**
† † Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †
ATHEISTS WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE WHERE THEY BELONG WHEN JESUS RAPTURES ALL CHRISTIANS AND THEN ARRIVES ON HIS WHITE HORSE AND SLAUGHTERS ALL ATHEISTS AND THEIR CHILDREN IN ARMAGEDDON WITHOUT ATHEISTS THERE WILL BE FINALLY PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND
ATHEIST ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PLANETS DRUG PROBLEMS AND CHILD SLAVE LABOR AND DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR SKIN BOILED OFF IN HELL FOR ALL OF ETERNITY IN HELL WHERE THEY BELONG GOOD RIDDANCE TO THEM ALL I WILL SMILE FROM ABOVE AS I DANCE ON STREETS OF GOLD AND WATCH AS THEY SCREAM AND CRY AND JESUS WON'T SAVE THEM
Your post is a load of sh!t and you are a liar.
If we ignore it, it might just go away.
I'd like to know how Atheists worship "satan", when we have no belief in any "god" or "devil"?
Poe's law, proven again (though I thought this one was very obvious and way over the top)
Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind. -LIE
Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated. -LIE
Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists) -LIE
Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle. -LIE
Atheists causes problem in our religious society. -LIE
Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith. -LIE
Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise. -LIE
Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders. -LIE
No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider' -LIE
Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime. -LIE
Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet. -LIE
Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people. -LIE
Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved. -LIE
Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency. -LIE
Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history. -LIE
Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists. -LIE
All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals. -LIE
The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20) -LIE
Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism! -LIE
It just goes to show that Christians can’t even follow one of the basic Ten Commandments by posting all these lies. What a hypocrite
Since any thinking person can easily refute all the lies you posted, I won't waste my time with each and every one of them.
But this I'll respond to this line here. "I WILL SMILE FROM ABOVE AS I DANCE ON STREETS OF GOLD AND WATCH AS THEY SCREAM AND CRY." How very Christian of you to say. Religion must be great.
The Crea-tor is knowable and disco-verable through the crea-tion itself. It is very unders-tandable how people could be turned off by man-made reli-gions and supe-rsti-tions with their bom-b-ings and fina-ncial beg-a-thons, and con-fuse arti-ficial or rev-ealed reli-gion with God. However, some att-itudes of acce-pting things simply as not know-able is dang-erous to the pro-gress of huma-nity. Many things were not know-able in the past that are know-able today. At one time Euro-peans believed it was impos-sible to know what was on the other side of the Atla-ntic Ocean: but they were wrong. As we learn more about the scie-nces, we are learning more about the Power that put those pri-nciples in place. An ete-rnal Being, whose power is equal to His will.
This isn't meant to be a physics lesson for those of you who think that it is.
Its simply my philosophy!!
Um, no. Just because you want to see a creator doesn't mean there's any actual evidence of such.
Your insane, excessive use of dashes in your words is fucking annoying.
Like you just admitted, it's your philosophy. Next time, try using what normal undeluded people refer to as "facts". Please, look up that word, because you haven't used ONE yet.
@squirrel, just because you don't want to see one doesn't mean that there isn't one! Dumb azz!
And um, non-Harvard physics-professor!! dahses are no where near as fuk'n annoying as you are!!
Mirosal, here's a fact for you.. You try hard to be a smart azz, but you're still just a dumb azz!
Hey, dumbass, I never said there wasn't. You're the one who claimed that the creator was knowable. Maybe try actually reading what I wrote next time, genius.
Just because you see gaps in science, and there are many, does NOT mean that there is a "creator" of any kind. That's why "gods" were invented by man; to explain natural events that primitive man did not know the how and why to. As science grows, the need for saying there's a "god" to explain it away decreases, and in time, your "god" will also join the thousands of others relegated to the realm of mythology.
My god can't be explained away. My god is the universe, and more. Im not saying that god is some man sitting in the sky watching over everyone. Or that god is of my own image... Im just saying that I believe that everything that is, was or will be, is of god!!
I know that may sound weird to you, but again. Its a personal belief..
You're an idiot. That's all there is to say. The end.
Fine, it's your personal belief. But, don't try to push it off on us as a "fact" that there's a "god" of any kind.
thats is not, and never was my intention...
I dont post anything negative about atheist ever. In fact, I stand with them, but Jesus Christ, I put up one post, about my own personal belief, and the whole room comes down on me.
Not that it matters or anything, im just saying!
One post? You've been all over the bloody place for the past couple days spamming the bleeding blue urine out of the comment section with nonsense. It's your own fault, there is no one else to blame. I'm fairly certain everyone here has had enough of you. I know I have and I haven't even been here for more than ten minutes this evening. If I believed in god, I'd be asking it to hurl a meteor the size of a horse to your geographical coordinates right now.
In the first place, admitting matter to have properties, as we see it has, the question still remains, how came matter by those properties? To this they will answer, that matter possessed those properties eternally. This is not solution, but assertion; and to deny it is as impossible of proof as to assert it.
"It is then necessary to go further; and therefore I say – if there exist a circ-ums-tance that is not a property of matter, and without which the universe, or to speak in a limited degree, the solar system composed of planets and a sun, could not exist a moment, all the arguments of atheism, drawn from properties of matter, and applied to account for the universe, will be overthrown, and the existence of a superior cause, or that which man calls God, becomes discoverable, as is before said, by natural philosophy.
Thank you for kiddy-school physics 101. Try mixing in some facts wih your long winded nonsense.
Whatever you're on, I want some.
"God is the power of first cause, nature is the law, and matter is the subject acted upon."
In addition to motion acting as a perpetual preserver, it also acts as a continual source for the universe's constant expansion. Every second the universe is expanding at the speed of light (186,282 miles per second). According to Astronomy Magazine, 2/14/92, page 49, "Astronomers presently believe there isn't enough mass in the universe, even with dark matter, to stop its expansion." This exciting realization should fill everyone with unlimited appreciation when we realize we are a part of this amazing and spectacular universe! The Creator is immeasurably generous!
What is so difficult about this word you have to ruin it with a dash?
Ever heard of string theory, or M theory?
If you think of everything being that of wave compilations, you have to consider that something's do last forever.
If a wave is set in motion, it will continue on forever, without some for of resistance..
If we think of eternity as a wave forever, then there can't be anything (no resistance) before eternity, and nothing after (of course), therefore eternity has to be a loop constantly recycling its own energy! Or the twisted loop know as infinity!
Wow its late! I know that doesn't make sense to anyone. And i would try to correct it but it's way past my bed time... Forgive my poor attempt at explaining how eternity may be real...
I will try to give a better more detailed explanation tomorrow.
Have you ever heard of the Pacific ocean? You should swim across it.
Have you ever heard of a fat C0CK? you shove one up you azz, then choke on it!!
If you want to fantasize about cocks going up asses, please do so in private.
Why is obviously mentally ill.
Not menally I'll bet, just a little irate! lol
And a whole lot of stupid!