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June 7th, 2012
05:04 PM ET
Same-sex ceremony on Army post draws fireBy Alan Duke, CNN (CNN) - A same-sex ceremony between an enlisted woman and a civilian woman on a U.S. Army post last month drew protests from lawmakers Thursday. The "private religious ceremony" took place at Fort Polk in Louisiana in May, post spokesman Scott Stearns said, but he would confirm few other details. Rep. John Fleming, a Louisiana Republican whose congressional district includes the Army post, said the military confirmed to him that the same-sex ceremony was performed by an Army chaplain in the chapel. The incident was an inevitable consequence of the end of the don't ask, don't tell policy in September, which previously banned homosexuals from military service, Fleming said. FULL STORY
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This argument will never end. What most people always seem to forget is that it is not for us to judge. If you are religious, you should know that it is up to God to judge. Not us. For crying out loud, it's hard enough to be happy with one's self these days than to try to make sure everyone else is living the way that YOU want them to. Everyone that is fanatical about gays on the planet needs to get a grip and focus on their own lives.
gosh, that will mean that all those folks don't get to play god (in their own minds, that is)
5 Reasons Why Gays in the Military is Wrong
1) Being gay is not natural. Real service members always reject unnatural things like body armor, camouflage clothing, and vaccinations.
2) Gay service members will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3) Gays in the military is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
4) Gay service members will change the foundation of the military; it could never adapt to new social norms. Just like they haven't adapted to APCs, indoor plumbing, or electronic communication.
5) The military has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women can't fly planes, blacks still can't serve with whites, and all ships still run on wind power.
/sarcasm off
If you like SODOMY so much. YOU LIVE WITH IT! Keep it the he11 away from me and my FAMILY!
Frank, gay marriage affects you not at all. Get a grip.
Frankie....if you go down on your wife, or she on you, you are practicing sodomy. Now, shove your bigotry up your a$$
I realize that it's Sunday night and this article is getting a little long in the tooth, but where is everybody? Oh yeah, after a day of church and Christian fellowship, what's better than heading down to the local tavern for a few drinks and maybe a snort? There's still time here on the left coast, but in the eastern US I imagine you're already passed out in a dumpster clutching a well-worn Bible. Well-worn not from reading it but from using it as a coaster for your beer.
Better than what the people do in the religion the LIBERALS supports. Beating women, hacking up kids, ra p ing women, pedophilia, blowing up people while they SHOP. Thats the religion the Liberal left loves and supports! You commie basssstards!
Frankie: You truly are a moron.
Frank ~ you need professional help.
The kind of help Frank needs hasn't been invented yet.
david: yes it has. if frankie boy here would go meet jesus himself, it would all be resolved
If we are going to hate people for the way they're born, shouldn't we also hate left-handers, redheads, etc? Why stop at LGBTs? There are a lot more minorities we can pounce on. Shouldn't we go into everybody's home just to have a look and make sure they're behaving themselves? I further suggest we allow ultra-conservative Christians with little education and even less understanding of the Bible to make the rules. These bedwetters who handle snakes and drink haterade are just what we need to keep us all on the straight and narrow.
While I agree with you, I feel compelled to point out that left-handed people and redheads ARE subject to discrimination and bullying. While not on the same level as the LGBT community, various races and religions, it is a problem.
I don't see where Fleming said anything remotely controversial insofar as the article is concerned. Did he say something elsewhere?
Typical redneck Rethuglicans throwing a tantrum about GLBT equality.
I am by no means defending Mr. Fleming, because we all know exactly what he is thinking. However, his statement about the inevitability of this type of thing is quite true. I for one, think it is great that we are already dealing with this inevitable issue. However, I am not going to comment on how I hope it plays out.
Mr. Fleming's statement about this type of thing being inevitable is correct, which is not Typical redneck Rethuglicans behavior. Nor is it typical of them to not include an opinion about the topic.
Fleming is a RETARDATE!
@Bet
I know... I in fact work with many Americans daily, many are friends.
But you have to admit its bad... The media, Republicans and Tea Party all seem to
be struggling for power at all costs.. It is not democratic, its not conducive to a healthy Nation.
Racism and hate can be bad here too. We are not perfect and in fact have a horrific leader in charge BUT we
fight as we should all fight, with CIVILITY. Not hate...
I had a client say a horrible racist remark about Obama the other day, the remark lacked intelligence.
You had a Pastor of all Gay people say we should be penned up to die.
Canada needs to still grow up too... We all can learn from each other but not until we
on both sides clean up our own homes....
Wish you all well... Even the Trilobites!
I am so glad that I am Canadian after reading tis fodder... USA is very lost and its sad that this hate is rampant in your country. Racism for a Black President, Hate for two people wanting to be married in peace and a bunch of trilobites spouting religion as if it is true. Your country is not powerful when you all act like this.. You never will be at the glory you once were until you realize that and its sad. Best wishes to all my good friends in the USA, you are going to need it.
Keep being afraid, its what you do best.
is that we are one nation under God, the same God honest Canadians pray to every time they recite their national anthem "God keep our land"...sound familiar... you rock throwing qu eer bait sob.
Really..... You likely do not even know who our PM is! Laughable and to be honest you just proved my point loud and clear.
The "under god" part was added in the 1954. The US was founded as a secular nation.
Canada has allowed for gay marriage for some time now, and the country hasn't fallen apart.
Tyler, not all Americans are as ignorant as this jerk.
I would certainly like to apologize to you for the unbelievably stupid, callous and wholly inaccurate remarks made to you by my countryman. I will not call him a FELLOW countryman, because it is obvious that the only thing he and I - and most educated US citizens - have in common is the right to a trial by jury. There is a reason why we are not infrequently referred to as 'the ugly Americans', and he has put it on view for all to see. I am embarrassed.
@Bet
I know... I in fact work with many Americans daily, many are friends.
But you have to admit its bad... The media, Republicans and Tea Party all seem to
be struggling for power at all costs.. It is not democratic, its not conducive to a healthy Nation.
Racism and hate can be bad here too. We are not perfect and in fact have a horrific leader in charge BUT we
fight as we should all fight, with CIVILITY. Not hate...
I had a client say a horrible racist remark about Obama the other day, the remark lacked intelligence.
You had a Pastor of all Gay people say we should be penned up to die.
Canada needs to still grow up too... We all can learn from each other but not until we
on both sides clean up our own homes....
Wish you all well... Even the Trilobites!
Tyler as a Gay American I found Canada to be an inspiring light of freedom and only hope America can be as free as Canada some day.
When this country was at its best during the Greatest Generation they didn't condone CORN HOLING other men and defended themselves without political correctness against communism which now the LEFT / Liberals are the new COMMUNISTS and Muzlims are infiltrating our government with the intent of taking over our country which they don't keep a secret, you can read the intent of the Muzlim Brotherhood on the internet!
You can slam a pie in the face of a liberal and 2 seconds later with the pie dripping off their face would DENY it happened! Ill never understand how the mind of a liberal works. It truly is a disease.
@Frank, your sad, sick misrepresentation of the past and your vitriolic hate makes me wonder if you have slipped off your meds. Seriously, get control of yourself. I suspect you consider yourself religious. Read your scripture, it really doesn't matter which one. They're all the same; treat others the way you wish to be treated.
@ Frank
Wrong. One of my best friends is a 93 year old WWII hero, received the bronze star twice, is as hetero as a man can be, and he supports gay marriage. So do his friends. Of course, they are all highly educated and very intelligent, unlike you.
Gay marriage is here. Suck it.
That's so 70's. This should be a non-issue. Leave it to Haters who are on the wrong side of history to make this ab issue. They are an Abomination!
This country was founded on the freedom of religious practices and equality – life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It does not say – only if they agree with our religious beliefs. If this group of fundamentalists want to return to the founding principles, then these are it – freedom of religion and life, liberty...equality.
If you think the Founders would have agreed with you, you're nuts. The good Deists would have seen hom-se-xuality as an aberration of nature.
Well, guess what, dear? The founders were not unaware of h0mos3xuality. It's been around for a while, you know. And just as with the issue of abortion, they didn't see fit to legislate anything about it. Doesn't that tell you something?
Dan, you're confused and apparently dazed by a sharp blow to the head. Really now, you're full of horse feathers.
Only if "feathers" = "sh!t".
Typical conservative – nostalgic longing for an imagined past era.
His definition of "consequence" is odd.
It is about time the military had the balls to lead the way on something like this. One of the major roles our military has had over the past century is breaking down class/racial and other discriminations in the country. It's the right thing to do to support these folks in their pursuit of happiness – happiness that does not diminish anyone else's happiness or life enjoyment.
yes
Wonderful James!!!
I doesnt bother anyone else IF THEY KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES! Society will never accept this abomination as NORMAL.
YOU CAN HANG THAT UP!
Right, Frankie. And they will never accept inter-racial marriages, or women working outside the home, etc etc etc. Society changes, but it changes slowly. If you don't like it, you are free to leave
Frank, you are walking proof that evolution skips some generations. If you look up 'troglodyte' in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of yourself.
@Sam, there are many here among us who still do not support interracial marriage or women working outside of the home. Sad, but true.
Case of the 2% telling the 98% how it's going to be
Or, a case of gay people getting (nearly) the same rights as straight people. Why do you have a problem with that?
You're talking about money, right? The richest 2% telling the other 98% what to do, right?
That's how it is when the 98% are cruelly and childishly telling others how to live.
Slavery was ok for you too, hmm?
No, it is a case of resisting the tyranny of the majority - something the founding fathers worried about so much that they created a Republic rather than a democracy, precisely so such tyranny could be avoided.
I hope Fleming does something about this. Whoever authorized this needs to be punished. This is a disgrace to the US military. I knew that when ho-mos were allowed to serve openly that it would only be a matter of time before something like this happened. The US military is not the proper place for social experimentation. I for one am sick of ho-mos pushing themselves on the American people.
Blane the Bane of Good Sense. So you think the gays are pushing themselves on the straight folks? Well, aren't the Christian straight folks pushing themselves on the gays? Why is it OK for one and not the other?
GET OVER IT AND YOURSELF... The world has changed, you just have not changed with it... God, human what a race of beings!
Oh boo f'n hoo! It's seems you just got home drunk from the bar and started blogging. Next time go to bed (alone of course)
Poor Blane. The world is going to move on and you'll be dead soon.
Blane, Blane, Blane.... what was Jesus doing, on his last night alive, with a naked boy in the garden of Gethsemane? (Mark 14:51-52).
Sparta tried it a long time ago. Their military was pretty fierce.
How are they pushing themselves on you?
blane: I think you should do something about it! do you have tall buildings where you live?
Funny Blane,
I have never had a gay person come to my door on a Saturday afternoon and insist that I needed to talk to them about being Gay or I would wind up in Hell. I have however had several "Christians" show up with that message, So who if forcing their beliefs on whom?
Me and My God are just fine with my lifestyle choices. I am kinder and gentler and more supportive of all my fellow man than the majority of you so called Christians who only know hate, vileness and the pathetic belief that you have any right to tell me how to live my life.
Kindness
For you.
A thought to consider without an ego response
Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
my testimony
You're so full of poo, you stink!
I have an IQ somewhere between 72 and 73 and even I know baloney when I see it, hear it or read it. What you wrote is baloney of the highest order. Since about year 700, I do not understand how anyone over the age of 12 can believe in such baloney. No wonder the US is in decline.
Another christian nut spouting his nonsense. Isn't it embarassing to flaunt your stupid ideas for all the world to see? You had better run back to your guy at the pulpit and get an answer to all these posts. Clearly you are in the minority, and that's okay, I just wish you had an IQ bigger than your hat size.
Kindness, while I respect your thinking, it does not apply to me or my family as we belong to a different religion than you. That's how it works in America.
Your 'testimony; is a joke.
How do those buried in the wilds of Africa, who have never SEEN a bible, get into heaven?!
Think through this stuff before you buy into it.
It would be silly to think that 99% of people now days who read your post would believe what you are saying..but I do, bcause I know it"s true as well. Until someone makes a sincere move to understand the things you have written.. they will remain blind to the truth..tha'ts just the way it is.. This world is like a viel or curtain coverning the truth..it's amazing to read some of the things written in the bible and see the world taking shape just as it says.. in the last days.. we are in the last days , nations will rise against nations, war, famine, pestilence, disease , financial collapse, one world system, it's all unfolding and people are more concerned about "themselves" and that's what it all comes down to in respect to Christ.. our own selfish and deranged focus on what pleases us .. but the most revealing thing of all is the great "turning away" in which people will totally reject God ... like they do here on this board...the truth is out there..but they choose to foloow thier own paths and it's a very wide path...so we have been told..
Jesus is a made up person. Nothign there worth following.
most people won't "get" what you wrote, but I am one who did. Thanks!
If you have proof that god exists, please present it.
Otherwise, say a prayer, throw yourself in front of a bus, and see what happens.
Certainly spoken with a lot of ego.
They did What? In Louisiana? As of right now, they're all on a time out. Where's Louisiana? Ain't they Frenchies?
PLEASE! Do not call them Frenchies! It is not seemly.
They are Frogs.
thank god two women can get married, thank god two men can get married, thank god we live in a nation where two people that love each other can get married
and thank god to make your hand strong, so you can beat the b itch when they get mouthy
Allow the perversion of nature you just described.
What a sick, perverted creature you are. I have one question for ya: why do likes repel and opposites attract in electricity and in nature? Answer that one, fairy.
@ very few places...
This is NOT a Christ centered nation. This nation is spiritually anemic and sick in her soul! American Christianity has gone untested until now, and what we see is a consequence of a long slumber, while satan planted a little leaven, which overtook and corrupted almost whole body!
But God has His remnant, and they will not bow to the pressure of the world , flesh and the devil!
The times to come will test faith and loyalty of many. And no, there will be no early exit like so many have been told.
Satan never promotes a false doctrine unless he has something in it for himself. So its with this one... But God's true people will overcome because the love of Truth will sustain them!
Prism1234, you are a complete dunderhead.
Prism, not only is this not a Christ-centered nation, it's not supposed to be one. The founding fathers were very clear about that, no matter how much the fundamentalist right tries to muddy the historical waters.
so, prism is posting his mental diarrhea again. bark, little doggie
Hey TommyIT, its not a Christian nation and not suppose to be? DENY THESE FACTS.
"Just walk into the Rotunda (of the U.S. Capitol)," he said. "In the Rotunda, there are four paintings hanging on the wall. In those four paintings, you have two prayer meetings, a Bible study, and a baptism. That's just while walking into the Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol!"
Besides reference to God in the Washington Monument, the Capitol, and the Lincoln Memorial, God's name was mentioned at the National Archives, Senate and House Office Buildings, the U.S. Supreme Court, the Jefferson Memorial, and the Library of Congress.
In the main reading room of the Library of Congress, there was a bronze statue of Moses holding The Ten Commandments.
On the ceiling, a painting called "Judea," showed a young Israeli woman raising her hands in prayer to God. There were also Bible quotes on the walls.
"The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth His handiwork," it reads. And, down the hallway in the main lobby, two Gutenberg Bibles were on display.
In the National Archives, there was a bronze medallion on the floor, and right at the top of it were The Ten Commandments, front and center.
At the Jefferson Memorial, God's name was mentioned numerous times, including the famous Jefferson quote, "God Who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?"
At the Lincoln Memorial, words like "Nation Under God", "Bible" and "Pray" were inscribed everywhere in the building stones.
In the Senate and House Office Buildings there was a plaque that read "In God We Trust."
At the Washington Monument, the CBN News team managed to fit inside the dark stairway.
Almost 200 carved plaques, donated by the states, hung in the stairway. Many of them displayed scripture verses from the
Bible and quotes such as, "Search the Scriptures" and "Holiness to the Lord."
Have some facts;
On the outside aluminum tip, a Latin phrase was inscribed that read, "Laus Deo," which means "Praise Be To God."
At the U.S. Supreme Court Building, The Ten Commandments were located in several different places including on the carved stone frieze on the front of the building.
The statue showed Moses leaning his arm on The Ten Commandments. The commandments are also on the wall above the judge's courtroom bench.
Even with all these references to God in the federal buildings, there are some judges who say God and government do not go together.
Scenes like The Ten Commandments monument in Alabama were being rolled away out of sight. But the reality is, God's name is chiseled in stone all around, and that is something that can not be disregarded.
Sometimes, you just can't argue with the evidence.
The A-C-L-U and other groups may try to remove God from the public square, but what they can't remove is the undeniable fact that the U.S. was born on the principles of Almighty God and the pictures are there to prove it.
@ Frank
Wasn't Moses Jewish? Maybe the USA is a Jewish nation, since there are all those representations of the ten commandments.
Prayer changes things .
...from bad to worse.
I see you're still praying for personal wealth and your favorite sports team. I spoke with God, and he doesn't like you. He thinks you're a pompous buttmunch.
B-O-R-I-N-G!!! (again)
Yep, it's futility helps xtians realize there is no god.
Hurts though, and it takes a strong person to be able to recognize/admit it.
I doubt you have the stregnth.
Oh, please! Catechism, or any other form of religious education for adolescents, is a form of child abuse.
OK great and mighty America, I dare that this happen in a mosque on post, go ahead brave America. You descecrate the house of the Lord, go ahead and do it in the house of the Devil.
you do not speak for god
@s.stone
You hate God, and you are a reprobate.
How do you know who speaks for Him?
The Devil doesn't exist anymore than God exists–except in your confused mind.
It's OK to also do it in a mosque if the moslems will perform the ceremony.
CSX you are a red neck ignorant fool.It is none of your concern what two consenting adults do.I guess you would make a good Nazis.
Fed Up! I do not hate god. So, go F yourself
Right. Freedom has been at war with ISLAM for 1600 years, we have been in direct war with ISLAM for the past 11, still are and these evil basssstard atheists attack their own country and the foundation it was built on. Just shows what our twisted liberal schools have done to this nation. Pathetic losers on here bashing GOD. Shows how much class they have. If had any its 3RD class... These trash atheists have the morals and respect of an ALLEY CAT.
LOSERS...
Two women getting married, what's the issue?
Frank, Frank, Frank: its over. We have gay rights, we have gay marriage. We will always be here. The contest is over. We won. You lost. You've missed the boat. Learn to live with it.
db – The saddest thing is that Frank refuses to see that with gay rights he wins, too. All benefit and prosper from freedom.
frankie: is your mental diarrhea more valid if you put some words in caps?