June 11th, 2012
02:58 PM ET

Creflo Dollar latest in long line of top pastors facing allegations of wrongdoing

Atlanta area megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar said on Sunday that he neither choked nor punched his 15-year-old daughter, as she claimed in a report to police on Friday.

Read about Dollar's popular but controversial prosperity gospel.

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  1. icons pack

    I think, that you are mistaken. Write to me in PM, we will talk.

    November 4, 2012 at 9:34 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    June 14, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
      Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
      Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Prayer makes you fat, pale, weak, and sedentary.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
      Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
      Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
      Prayer dulls your senses.
      Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
      Prayer wastes time.

      June 14, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      June 15, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • PAUL



      July 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  3. Reality

    One more time:

    Money wasted as the "Dollar nut case" simply hasten the decline of all religions as they finally go extinct from their own absurdity.. It is time to replace all religions with a few rules like "Do No Harm" and convert all houses of "worthless worship" to recreation facilities and parks.

    June 13, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • SkepticOne

      Baptismal pools = hot tubs?

      June 13, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  4. god gave us REASON

    Religions are pathetic jokes that prey on the stupid and ignorant among us. Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, Islam is just as stupid. How many times do Christian and Muslim 'leaders' need to be found guilty of ripping people off, molesting children, and/or encouraging ignorance and aggression for the stupid sheep that follow them to smarten up? Religions have always been for censorship so let's ban them and do the world a big favour.

    June 13, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • mauricio

      As for me , I still believe Jesus (Yeshua) for those that live in the middle east,and it comes by faith, and He is and will always be my Lord and Savior, see you got to have a spirit, in order to live here in the now! and then after, so i rather believe now, not then, because when then, comes around, it's either the end for you and the beginning for me, so why not believe now, be saved now ! Believe! by faith ,so when both our ends come my friend, we can talk about everything from beginning to end.

      June 13, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • mel

      I am sure glad that Jesus tells us to follow him not preachers, because preachers are just as human as the rest of us.

      Also, i guess a living zombie, a snake, a rib woman, a magical tree does sound strange...i find it much easier to believe in a cosmic event that produced life out of nothing one day and that we slowly evolved from animals into human beings. YEa way more believable.

      June 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  5. Kindness

    Sorry to everyone not responding to comments, it would really be a full time job...these posts are my personal testimony... Which is all I have. They are for the public to know and others that have found christ.... To relate to. I do read all the comments... Again ... This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    June 13, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • god gave us REASON

      Here is a quick survey. Please , any Christian, honestly answer the following:
      The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife” comes from the field of:
      (a) Astronomy;
      (b) Medicine;
      (c) Economics; or
      (d) Christianity
      You are about 70% likely to believe the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with only one man, one woman and a talking snake if you are a:
      (a) historian;
      (b) geologist;
      (c) NASA astronomer; or
      (d) Christian
      I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am
      (a) A gifted psychologist
      (b) A well respected geneticist
      (c) A highly educated sociologist
      (d) A Christian with the remarkable ability to ignore inconvenient facts.
      I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am
      (a) a delusional schizophrenic;
      (b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly
      (c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or
      (d) your average Christian
      Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:
      (a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;
      (b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;
      (c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or
      (d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.
      I believe that an all powerful being, capable of creating the entire cosmos watches me have $ex to make sure I don't do anything "naughty". I am
      (a) A victim of child molestation
      (b) A r.ape victim trying to recover
      (c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions
      (d) A Christian
      The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:
      (a) Architecture;
      (b) Philosophy;
      (c) Archeology; or
      (d) Religion
      What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:
      (a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they are morally obliged to believe on pain of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;
      (b) Religion can make a statement, such as “there is a composite god comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;
      (c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas religion is regional and a person’s religious conviction, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than an accident of birth; or
      (d) All of the above.
      If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:
      (a) a deep psychiatric issue;
      (b) an irrational fear or phobia;
      (c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or
      (d) my religious belief.
      Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money my organization earns is tax free and my own salary is also tax free, at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do. I am
      (a) A sleazy Wall Street banker
      (b) A mafia boss
      (c) A drug pusher; or
      (d) A Catholic Priest, Protestant Minister or Jewish Rabbi.
      What do the following authors all have in common – Jean Paul Sartre, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Victor Hugo, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, René Descartes, Francis Bacon, John Milton, John Locke, and Blaise Pascal:
      (a) They are among the most gifted writers the World has known;
      (b) They concentrated on opposing dogma and opening the human mind and spirit to the wonders of free thought and intellectual freedom;
      (c) They were intimidated by the Catholic Church and put on the Church’s list of prohibited authors; or
      (d) All of the above.
      The AIDS epidemic will kill tens of millions in poor African and South American countries before we defeat it. Condoms are an effective way to curtail its spread. As the Pope still has significant influence over the less educated masses in these parts of the World, he has exercised this power by:
      (a) Using some of the Vatican’s incomprehensible wealth to educate these vulnerable people on health family planning and condom use;
      (b) Supporting government programs that distribute condoms to high risk groups;
      (c) Using its myriad of churches in these regions to distribute condoms; or
      (d) Scaring people into NOT using condoms, based upon his disdainful and aloof view that it is better that a person die than go against the Vatican’s position on contraceptive use.

      June 13, 2012 at 2:03 am |
    • madmaninthemiddle

      Reason – hilarious and brilliant.

      Two small points – Science does have it's "sacred cows". Over time, the scientific method slays them, but often those who posit new ideas are met initially with as much derision from acaemia as from the church.

      2. A minister's salary is taxable.

      June 13, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • SkepticOne

      "Two small points – Science does have it's "sacred cows". Over time, the scientific method slays them, but often those who posit new ideas are met initially with as much derision from acaemia as from the church."
      -But the difference is, Science eventually comes to its senses in the face of TESTABLE EVIDENCE and changes it's views; the thought of changing away from religious dogma is abhorrant to almost all faiths, and change in practices often take much time.

      "A minister's salary is taxable."
      – If he runs the church like a tax exempt corporation, then yes he has his "earned income" that he gives himself; but (especially in the MEGAchurches) he is able to buy things on the church's dime for use. Some churches even provide living quarters for their ministers as a benefit! Don't try to claim churches and their ministers are just like anyone else when it comes to finances, they're not.

      June 13, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • .

      Click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll. Hopefully soon they'll block their IP address from posting.

      June 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
  6. hippypoet

    for any and all believers of any god(s) who may or may not exist:

    we atheists need not prove the lack of existence of something that has no impact on our daily lives, however those that believe based purely on the idea of somethings existence is a bit disconcerting! Proof is the burden of those that believe. The real fact is that those who believe use the lack of proof to show how non believers can't show any proof of its non existence....circular agurments can be fun but i prefer ones that go places. Belief in god or any god type is nothing less then equal to that of children believing in santa – be good or else! Maybe that is what your believers problem is! – poor parental figures as children so you joined a cult who WHORships a make believe father ( who killed his son, btw)....not a very intelligent choice – but i guess i'd make pi$s poor choices too if i was taught to never lie all the while being lie too...that is gods way – don't lie but i can – double standard i believe is what its called! 🙂 go preach love while hating on more then half the human species!

    June 12, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • Godhart

      It is interesting to observe the thoughts of those who deny the existence of God on display. they always seem to ignore the fact that the moment one posits a line of reasoning to deny the existence of "x" the very same exists. Even if it is in the mind of the unbeliever who is standing on his soapbox screaming in denial; it must be said that God exists. whether it is in pure concept, or in the case of the casual observer "cause plus observed effect i.e. God and the faith of the Christian in him. When anyone denies his existence they are in fact acknowledging that it is indeed the truth. "If God did not exist there would be no ned for an argument to the contrary.
      Also, there are things that can only be understood about God from seeking a true and comitted relationship with him. As for he morality of men, the record shows that "all have sinned, and fall short of his glory." It still amazes me how in a country with an origin, and history forged with the fires of the Christian faith, that men and women would operate with such wanton disregard for Almighty God. Men may have made mistakes, may have killed and lied, but Jesus is the only one who perfect was born, lived, and died. The same people who deny him, cannot see the wind either, but they acknowledge its existence, and observe its effects. Perhaps they will turn to him before he returns to judge the earth.

      June 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      Replace the word "God" in your statement with the word "Unicorn," "Gryphon" or "Tolerant Republican" and you just made a hole host of mythological creatures real. I'm now thinking of "Jessica Alba in my bed, nude"... she better be there now or I'm gonna be ticked!

      June 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      *meant to say whole

      Think the Jessica Alba statement made me do a Freudian slip there...

      June 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • mel

      Proof is the burden of those that believe to be sure. And you must prove why God does not exist. Its belief either way you slice it because neither you nor I were there to be eyewitnesses to how it all began.

      June 14, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  7. wordsmith321

    I've met plenty of good people in Christian ministry, but you'll never see them on TV. They don't drive luxury cars, live in mansions, or have thousands of followers. Their bank accounts are usually close to empty, they furnish their homes from yard sales, and they eat a lot of Hamburger Helper.

    They work in soup kitchens, care for abandoned babies, teach adults how to read, treat the sick, and do countless other good works, for which they receive almost no recognition and very little pay.

    If you want to see true examples of how faith can inspire people to live by the highest ideals, ignore the so-called "pastors" who are living it up. Look to the slums, the nursing homes, the rescue missions, and the streets. That's where you'll find them, and that's where you'll find Christ.

    June 12, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      While I honor those peoples works, I do question their motives. Are they serving out of love for their fellow man or because of fear from a vengeful deity? If it's the first, that feeling is not confined to just the followers of Christ, I would posit that there are many active members of the community that are atheist that simply want the world to be a better place. And if their methods are driven by the second, that cheapens their work, makes it truly not genuine. And if those workers are trying to proselytize while they work, that is sinister at best to take advantage of people at their weakest.

      June 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
  8. freethinker321

    I've met plenty of good people in Christian ministry, but you'll never see them on TV. They don't drive luxury cars, live in mansions, or have thousands of followers. Their bank accounts are usually close to empty, they furnish their homes from yard sales, and they eat a lot of Hamburger Helper.

    They work in soup kitchens, care for abandoned babies, teach adults how to read, treat the sick, and do countless other good works, for which they receive almost no recognition and very little pay. If you want to see true examples of how faith can inspire people to live by the highest ideals, ignore the so-called "pastors" who are living it up. Look to the slums, the nursing homes, the rescue missions, and the streets. That's where you'll find them, and that's where you'll find Christ.

    June 12, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      don't know why you changed your name... read above.

      June 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
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