June 11th, 2012
02:58 PM ET
Creflo Dollar latest in long line of top pastors facing allegations of wrongdoing
Atlanta area megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar said on Sunday that he neither choked nor punched his 15-year-old daughter, as she claimed in a report to police on Friday.
Read about Dollar's popular but controversial prosperity gospel.
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Man I was looking at the news and heard that they had arrested Jesus for beating his daughter... Boy I know the DA's are have their name in the hat because they have been waiting for him along time.He don't have to worry he can always use some of Evanders stash to help him handle this.
God is real, Get to know him because he's AWESOME! Alot of these Pastors get taken down by evil spirits. You can tell from the 911 call that Creflo daughter is disobedient! Disobedience is the beginning of sin. People that despise God are disobedient!
Yea beat that lil b•tch like they beat slaves in the bible!
God didn't condone beating slaves, you might want to try reading the Bible first.
He absolutely did
A liar will always be a liar, God does not condone beating slaves.
King James Version (KJV)
9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
When will the religious people wake up and realize that these preachers are just getting dirty rich! First of all if Christians really believed their religion their wouldn't be these big "Mega" churches, instead we would see "Christians" doing what their "Bible", tells them to do and that is to love, accept, and give their lives to help others. So listen up Mr. and Mrs. Goody two shoe next time you drive up to your big "Mega" church, think about all the children in this country and around the world that went to bed hungry or the poor man that worked his whole life but can't afford to retire... but yet you will be more than happy to drop a $20.00 in the collection plate, listen your "Preacher" is no different, they are all the same Greedy business men that couldn't make in the real world so they make up a God for you to follow. but their God is MONEY!!!
Why are their slaves in the bible to begin with? I mean, Mr. Christian have you stopped to even think what you are saying or supporting? Slavery is wrong and if the made up Guy in the Sky says its alright then shame to the whole made up religion! Wake up people to reality and give up this made up story book that keeps you "STUPID" !!!!! thank you!
No one is perfect..Would you say Moses despised God?? Watch what you say!!
Right, it is not the pastors themselves, it is the evil spirits.
Despise god! How can we despise what does not exist! At any rate think what you like – after all it's your interpretation of a book. Just remember that other people have different , and better, interpretations that you. and still other people don't beieve it at all and tat nothign in it applies to them anyway unless they wish to embrace parts of it that make some sense.
So tell me when we are going to put as much emphasis on the scandals of Ted Turner and the elite media as we do on "Prosperity" preachers. I don't want to learn a "broke" theology and I don't believe most people want to live "broke"; otherwise we should just quit our jobs and go on welfare – but then that would be what socialism would prefer anyway. Listen, people are people and they all have faults – that's why we need God and the purpose of religion to address those faults. It's amazing how the "allegation" of one preacher has turned into the re-hash and trash digging of the past 25 years scandals in "Pentecostalism". Why only the emphasis on this "one type of reglious views". There are plenty of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, atheists and media elite who have their fair share of scandals. Rather than trash digging a 25 year media span. Start with addressing issues that are of merit and avoid quit using your platform to smear campaign religious groups. Clean your own house first – TED!
Amen, do you see them making any noise when they gus are doing good? The DEVILS come running when something wrong happens. It's like a fight in school, everyone runs over to see the fight but if there's a small group reading the Bible or doing something good they run away from that.
@hillybilly. You can tell you are one, civilization hasn't touched your area yet. Y'all still believe in the myths you were taught.
A thought to consider without an ego response
Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
Die already. Then you can meet your god and we are spared your pointless posts.
I would rather people change, than die. Kindness, please change. There's no good reason to believe in any god at this point in our understanding of the cosmos and life.
Yep, no good reason to believe in any god. That's right marky mark.
excuse me while I vomit all over the livingroom floor.
The oft-repeated post 'Kindness' begins with a form of the flawed argument known as Pascal's Wager, and continues with a series of fallacies including Appeals to Ignorance, the Willed Ignorance fallacy, and a series of Red Herring fallacies plus frequent vagueness.
@kindness. Kindly go visit jesus...in person. You are a sick and brainwashed person.
The first things we read about Jesus life is that he became a wealthy kid, when wise men from the East brought him Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh. very expensive gifts. And forget the little cute figurines you see. They traveled by caravan and had camel loaded with the stuff. Jesus ministry was so well financed that his Treasurer (Judas) could steal from him and not hurt his ministry. See even Jesus knew that "Yes I can perform miracles"....but people need to develop a giving heart and spirit to sustain the earthly work presented by him."
The haters need to back down just a bit when they call Pastor Dollar a money hungered man. The Pope has a bullet proof car, Gold encrusted rode, Diamond studded hat and lives in his own city/state on the Italian Riviera. Is he a money hungered baron also.
Housing is not free, Food is not free...Traveling to inspire others is not free.
Anyone who makes money from religion is a piece of sh•t, and goes against the teachings of your god, bible and Jesus. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and fraud.
"lives in his own city/state on the Italian Riviera"
The Ligurian coast is the "Italian Riviera". It is nowhere near Vatican City. I realize you bibletards don't believe in science, but at least you could get geography right.
P!ss poor handle ther bu. You need to get real and shake that bibble crapola. Hey-sus never existed.
"Housing is not free, Food is not free...Traveling to inspire others is not free"
Dude lives in multimillion dollar home and drives two Rolls Royces.
Jeebus rode a donkey and was homeless.
broncofanssucks sucks the big wang big time. You got so PWNED and you are the little one who is name calling.
Most Pastors and ministers are decent people trying to help their congregants the best they know how. The utter hypocrisy and the mistakes of a few do not mean all organized religion is bad. Religion appropriately holds a special place in our society because of the good that it does for people. Let's keep our perspective!
You don't need religion to do good...Doctors Without Borders; Unicef and numerous other secular charities are doing good also.
Well the problem here is that they don't know any better and they should, so instead of admitting they don't have any guidance from their god, they all just make it up as they go along. They are all frauds at some level, driven by greed, pride, lust, and using and being used by ignorance instead of knowledge.
You might say they are "just nice people trying to help the best way they know how" but the truth is that they DON'T know the best way of doing anything as long as they use religion as a basis for what they do.
There are no gods. Some fat priest sweating in a robe doesn't have a clue but knows how to bull-sht people well enough for them to toss money at him for working one hour a week....and then those people go out and complain about starving people getting food stamps and not "wanting to work" when there are no jobs for them.
Fraud is fraud. You can prove there is no god backing up anything those priests say. It's all a fraud.
If you put a gun up to this Crap Dollar pastor's head and said, "Prove your god exists or I'll make you dead" he will not be able to do anything but try to lie his way out of it. There is no god and no proof for one.
Sure, nice people are nice no matter what they believe, but if they are following rules that say it is good to kill for their god's glory, you will see these nice people committing murder with smiles on their faces because they think they are doing a good thing. That's religion for you. Fraud, incitement to murder and other vile acts, all made "respectable" because crazy religious people will support anything with a god sticker on it.
@A Frayed Knot if you guys are so good why the Eugenics? Can you explain that to me?
What a stupid question/assumption. You may as well ask why non-stamp collectors are so often serial killers.
Moby Schtick: Are you at all surprised that this person asked a stupid question, especially on a topic that it has no clue about?
"A Frayed Knot if you guys are so good why the Eugenics? Can you explain that to me?"
There were more christian supporters of Eugenics than there were atheist.
Well is there any more evidence you need from them to prosecute them to the max penalty? NOPE! you have in the natural evidence and in the spiritual evidence and I am the SUPERNATURAL
What about the eyewitness accounts? My mother regularly beat me until I left home. Whenever anybody saw the black eyes, bruise, cuts, etc. I would tell them my mother did it. When questioned my mother flatly denied any beating. I believe the daughter and witnesses over the pastor.
I'll be glad when organized religion is gone and people can search for faith on their own without someone else, like a preacher, telling them what to think, how to think and when to think it.
Gregory, wouldn't you rather that people searched for truth, than that they searched for faith? (if the choice was like that)
bernard: what makes you think that anyone has any more insight into "truth" than anyone else?
Forcing Any child into Any RELIGION IS CHILD ABUSE!!!!!!! He was guilty of child abuse every time he dragged them along to one of his "services."
These religions will go extinct, or we all will.
atheists want all non-whites extinct
What idiocy. Why would you imagine that all atheists are white and why would you think they want to exterminate those of color? If anyone has been guilty of attempting to rid the world of minorities, it's been the Christians.
@Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son Ummmmmmm wrong I'm assuming you are just talking out of anger and haven't done any research on this subject so let me help you. Read Charles Darwin's "Origin of Man" then research Sir Francis Galton, August Weismann, and Leonard Darwin. Then you will be studied on this particular subject
broncofans..., seems you are the one who needs to do some reading. Start here: http://blackatheistsofamerica.org/
broncofanssuck (no they don't) just got so PWNED!
@Bernard there were African nazi SS troops as well. What’s your point?
Here Bernard take a look you will see that your point is moot
broncofanssuck: You're a complete idiot!! I don't wish extinction on anything but your stupid fairy tale belief system, nor do most of the Atheists I know. I have plenty of good friends from every race and unlike you, I don't go judging them as people based on color/belief/se.xual orientation. I don't have to believe in your imaginary friend to be a good person, my morals come from common sense-murder/violence is bad; illness is not a good thing. You are as clueless as a rock...I'm willing to wager that you failed every science class you ever took. Btw: that computer you're using was invented by an Atheist.
@TruthPrevails 🙂 e-bullying and name calling only makes you look bad. Maybe that’s ok for an atheist. If you would ever like to have a mature debate I’m here you have proved the lesser.
broncofanssucks sucks the big wang big time all the time. You got so PWNED and you are the little one who is name calling.
broncofanssuck: What the hell??? You judged a bunch of people based on lack of belief and I'm in the wrong? I'm not debating with a moron!!! You don't have a basis for your claim and until you provide the stats , you will continue to get called out. Suck it up! This is the 21st century little one, your belief system is worthless.
TruthPrevails 🙂 This is too much you I think you should probably wait a few years until you are more mature.
I'm not the one who needs to mature here. You have failed to see your own ignorance and when called out on it, you cry foul...I know 5 year old's who do that!
This is funny! Almost every racist I know is a hard core christian. I know scores of atheists who don't hate anyone. We don't have religious delusions to facilitate a feeling of righteousness and superiority. We actually believe that all people are equal.
How many atheists are in the KKK?
Oh that's right, they hate us too.
Derp KKK probably none, neo-nazis quite a lot
Thanks God, we still have on Billie Graham a man of faith and clean record...
Is he still living? I recall my Mom listening to him back in the 80's.
the details just haven't cum out yet.
The only ones to blame for the eccentric behavior of these gold diggers are the unwary members of this mega-churches.
Right on, Ralph!
You couldn't make this stuff up.
They've all been full of sh!t, including Jesus, all the way back to Moses.
atheists aren't full of crap? Remember is was atheists that invented Eugenics the pseudo-science of whites racial superiority over the other races. How many millions died because of that?
Humans are good and bad. Atheists don't claim to have the almighty creator of a universe living inside them keeping them in path of righteousness. Atheists can be horrible people, too, just like christians can be horrible people. But only one group claims to be able to transcend "sinful nature." But they don't seem to be able to.
@Moby Schtick but you have just hit the problem on the head with the atheists because "atheists don't claim to have the almighty creator of a universe living inside them keeping them in path of righteousness" they lie, cheat, steal, kill because it's not wrong it their eye and that's what makes them VERY dangerous.
yes I do bobo and Moses did his job only the religious folk failed you, that is why you feel the way you do.
broncofanssuck: What? Do you have the slightest clue as to what you are speaking about? Do you think that morals come from the buybull? Have you made it past the 2nd grade?
You might want to look at the ratio of atheists to Christians who are in prison for serious crimes.
Of course there are nasty atheists, but all the Christians have to do when they act rotten is blow kisses up to the sky (with a 'contrite heart', ahem) and all is well.
@TruthPrevails 🙂 I think you were trying to make a point but just forgot when you lowered yourself to e-bullying. Now what was your point?
e-bullying? You just sat here and spewed a bunch of lies about Atheists (to quote you "they lie, cheat, steal, kill because it's not wrong it their eye and that's what makes them VERY dangerous") and you're telling me I'm bullying you...did the poor christard get his toes stepped on and now he's crying foul? Educate yourself before spewing stupidity the next time moron and maybe you won't get called on it.
Answer one thing, why do say such things about Atheists? How can you be so sure? Provide the stats backing your words! Did you miss A Frayed Knot's point about how the largest population of inmates being christians?
See the difference between us and you...we don't need a 2000 year old book to tell us how to act...we use common sense, and without your book of fairy tales to tell you that murder is wrong, etc , you'd be a dangerous person to be around!
As far as the bullying goes...grow up...this is the internet and if you can't handle being called out for being wrong then this isn't the place for you!
But I have proved it have read Charles Darwin's "Origin of Man" then research Sir Francis Galton, August Weismann, and Leonard Darwin.
TruthPrevails 🙂 All you do you spew and angry emotions adolescent name calling and I have been giving you facts like I said maybe that’s ok for an atheist but I’m much to mature for that and it unacceptable to me. I guarantee if we were face to face you would not be acting the way you do so why do it? You are not only hurting yourself you are hurting the group you are trying to champion. Maybe you should stay off comment groups for a few years until you mature.
broncofanssuck: Right...so only you get to judge and insult people? A little self-righteous hypocrisy happening there, don't you think? I don't care what books you've read, it doesn't make you an expert on anything, especially not your knowledge of Atheists or Charles Darwin. You are the one believing in a 2000 year old book, not me. You have the imaginary friend, not me. Maybe you should go back and get a basic education in some real science and then attempt to debate with the adults at that point. Suck it up, we're not going anywhere and the further along in time we go the more of us you will see. It is time to join this century!
I am quite done arguing with you...it is pointless on so many levels. Enjoy that fantasy world!
One more time:
Money wasted as the "Dollar nut case" simply hasten the decline of all religions as they finally go extinct from their own absurdity.. It is time to replace all religions with a few rules like "Do No Harm" and convert all houses of "worthless worship" to recreation facilities and parks.
"Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of prosperity theology. He has been criticized for his lavish lifestyle as he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, a million dollar home in Atlanta, and a $2.5m home in Manhattan, which he sold for $3.75m in 2012. Dollar has refused to disclose his salary and Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of "F" for financial transparency by the organization MinistryWatch"
"Prosperity theology has drawn followers from the American middle class and poor, and has been likened to the cargo cult phenomenon, traditional African religion, and black liberation theology"
Are you kidding me?
It's almost as if these pastors are just ordinary men who make human mistakes according to human urges for power, wealth and secks. You know, like they didn't have an almighty creator of a universe living within them giving them the power to abstain from sin.
what are "secks"?
You know, the "horizontal mambo," "slappin' bodies," "s3x." You can't type it out on these boards.
He belongs in jail for being a con-artist.
Jack, still juggling French balls? You're right again. They all belong in jail and con artists.