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FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon
The FBI recovered a stolen first-edition of the Book of Mormon.
June 14th, 2012
04:15 PM ET

FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon

By Carol Cratty, CNN

(CNN)–Law enforcement agents have recovered a rare first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon that was reported stolen from a Mesa, Arizona, bookstore in late May.

The FBI announced Thursday the religious book, first published in 1830 in New York, was located two days ago in Herndon, Virginia, and a suspect was arrested.

The Book of Mormon is considered scripture by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, on par with the Bible.

Jay Michael Linford, 48, is awaiting extradition to Arizona, where he faces charges of theft and trafficking in stolen property.

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According to a court affidavit, the owner of the Arizona bookstore - identified only as Witness 1 - reported the theft to the Mesa Police Department on May 28.

The bookstore owner told police she had been in business with Linford, who brokered the sale of pages of the rare book on her behalf.

The woman said their business relationship had ended but Linford knew she kept the first-edition in a locked fireproof box in a file cabinet and had access to it around the time she believes it was stolen. According to the affidavit, Witness 1 said Linford had a key to the box and to the location where the book could be found.

The bookstore owner told police once she realized the book was missing - along with its fireproof box - she contacted Linford and he "denied having the book or having any knowledge of its location."

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The affidavit says the bookstore owner also reached out to people who buy and sell rare books to alert them that the book had been stolen.

A Texas man identified as Witness 2 replied that he recently had bought two pages of a Book of Mormon from Linford for $7,500 and that Linford said the book was owned by a family in North Carolina. The pages were shipped to the Texas man, who later determined they did come from the Arizona woman's first-edition.

The FBI's Art Theft unit and other agents investigated and found the book after locating the suspect staying with an acquaintance in Virginia, the affidavit said.

The FBI would not estimate how much this edition of the Book of Mormon might be worth. The Arizona bookstore owner placed the value at $100,000. However, the Mesa Police Department consulted experts who gave an estimate of $40,000 because pages had been taken out of the book and sold.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Books • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Mormonism

soundoff (2,069 Responses)
  1. shep

    Mormons believe that this book is another testament from Jesus Christ. To real Christians, that is flat out blasphemy. Why? Because the Bible says to beware of false prophets. Mitt Romney and Mormons are the false prophets the true Bible warns us of. A vote for Romney is committing a sin.

    June 15, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • CNN Moderator

      But how do you know they are false prophets? This is what I don't get. Did your god tell you they were a false prophet? I mean, let's assume for a minute that jesus really was a true prophet/messiah/whatever. Lots of people thought he was false. But they were (according to xtians) wrong. So how do you know you're not wrong and that Mormonism really is valid? I mean, sure, there's lots of totally wacky stuff in the book of mormon ... but most of it pales in comparison to what's in the bible, particularly the OT.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Ron

      If there are going to be false prophets then there must also be true prophets. Or else the Bible would have said to beware of all prophets.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Madtown

      Ron
      If there are going to be false prophets then there must also be true prophets.
      ------–
      Perhaps. But, how would we know which is which?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Topher

      CNN Moderator

      Actually, Revelation tells us that it is the close of canon. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Rev. 22:18-19

      June 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • CNN Moderator

      @Topher – Revelations was written before the canon was defined. Revelations could not have been referring to the bible since the bible did not exist at the time it was written. Revelations is simply talking about itself and the prophecies contained therein.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Sir Bedevere

      @Madtown,

      If they weigh as much as a duck (according to my larger scales), then they are a false prophet (works the same as with witched) and need to be burned.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Topher

      CNN Moderator

      The canon might not have been collected together, but the books were held as such individually. Again, it isn't refering to the Bible, but the close of canon. Nothing after it was to be accepted.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Topher

      Sir Bedevere

      hahaha ... never get enough of Python references!

      June 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • vulpecula

      beware of all prophets.

      There, now you can tell eveyone "but vulpecula said to beware of all prophets"

      June 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Ron

      All you people are just a bunch of Catholic Protestants and childlike Atheists anyway.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  2. locksmith

    wow, really? all this for a silly fake book about some fake religion.
    So silly.

    June 15, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      That's a little redundant, fake religion.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  3. Ted

    I've read most of the posts on this article, and I find that Warren is almost the only one speaking with a cool head. He's challenging other arguments on their logical fallacies, and I'm not seeing any adequate replies. Well done, Warren. I don't know if you're LDS or not, but I see that your opinion is not likely based in ignorance, as many of the others are.

    June 15, 2012 at 11:19 am |
  4. Rachel

    The Bible is the greatest book ever written for Mankind.

    🙂

    June 15, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I take it you haven't read Ulysses.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • *facepalm*

      The bible was clearly written by a variety of authors who never quite seem to be on the same page. It's filled with a number of atrocities and commandments that today are seen as horribly immoral.

      Great book? Doubtful. Just because something is popular does not make it great.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Topher

      100 percent agree, Rachel!

      June 15, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      facepalm

      Correct. Lady Gaga, American Idol and Oprah prove this.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Rachel

      The Bible records history as it were.

      The message is.
      We live in a fallen world, grace abounds to those who accept God's love. The choice is yours!
      The God of the Bible is a loving God.

      🙂

      June 15, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Topher

      "Just because something is popular does not make it great."

      Right. Its popularity doesn't matter. The question should be: "Is it true?"

      June 15, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      "The Bible records history as it were".

      Ha ha. It's good to laugh.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Topher

      The answer is no, it's not.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Topher

      Rational ... are you an atheist?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Theomont

      Nope. That book would be the dictionary.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Many accounts of the bible, such as the great flood, are demonstrably false. A critical reading of the text clearly shows it is just another mythology.

      And Rachel, your god is a loving god? Would a loving god kill a bunch of infants just to make a point? Does a loving god instruct his followers to kill non-believers? Your god is loving the same way an abusive parent is "loving"

      June 15, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Topher

      Yep, hence the Rational moniker.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Topher

      So do you believe that nothing created everything?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Topher

      Basically, yes.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Topher

      How does that work? I'm not being snarky, I'm honestly curious about what you think. I mean, how does nothing become something?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • CNN Moderator

      Topher – I think it's a valid option. Of course, I don't know. I don't HAVE to know as so many Christians seem to NEED to know an answer.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Google: Virtual particles.

      Also, just because a cause for something is not known does not mean that god did it. That's an intellectually lazy and short-sighted argument. It's been used countless times before on such phenomenon as the rising and setting of the sun, the tides, disease, and natural disasters. When your god is the god of the gaps, your god will only get progressively smaller and more impotent.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Rachel

      Man's disobedience has a consequence. That is evident in most of OT narratives. God is love. God is to be revered and worshipped . In the NT we find renewed grace and love through Jesus Christ.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • vulpecula

      @Topher
      As a nice atheist, I feel it's only fair to warn you that you have stepped into a sea of atheists and other non believers. I think you might want to just look for a while before you start posting things like:
      "So do you believe that nothing created everything?"
      Your only inviting an easy smackdown with such a simple question. Many christians have tryed that argument before. I'm only warning you because you sound like a noob by asking it.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I don't know exactly how it works, although I don't think nothing is the correct term, as physicists would say that "nothing" does not exist. You'd need a physicist to explain exactly how the big bang happened. Who knows, maybe we were created by aliens in another dimension. However, both are more plausible and more interesting tha "God did it".

      June 15, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • *facepalm*

      "Man's disobedience has a consequence. That is evident in most of OT narratives. God is love"

      These three statements are completely at odds with one another. In the case of the OT, one man's "disobedience" has consequences for people (innocent children and infants) totally unconnected to said disobedience. In what context is that loving?

      The OT god says that rape victims should be executed. In what context is that loving?

      The OT god says you can beat your slaves to death, as long as they die a slow death. In what context is that loving?\

      Shall I go on?

      June 15, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Madtown

      Rachel
      The Bible records history as it were.
      ----
      Debatable. Certainly not in the case of the story of Genesis, as no one would've been around to record the events for "historical" purposes.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Topher

      Hi, vulpecula. I'm not a nube. 🙂 I'm just asking a question.

      Rational ... "Who knows, maybe we were created by aliens in another dimension. However, both are more plausible and more interesting tha "God did it"."

      Interesting. Though I'd completely disagree that God doing it isn't interesting. In fact, that would make it amazing. The implications are astronomical ... that a being is out there so powerful that He not only could create everything, but did it with purpose (not an accident) and when we disobey Him and deserve to be smushed, He took our punishment because He loved us so much.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Topher

      I see by your random capitalization and ridiculous references to being "smushed" for not following God's ridiculous morality code that you are a Christian. Thread over.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Rational is correct – we have no way of creating a pure vacuum – a space of nothingness. And really, if 'space' itself exists, then this also is not nothing. While virtual particles are an interesting example of how matter can exist where no matter previously existed, but this can only happen with some type of energy field.

      We don't know how the big bang happened. We do not currently have the math to describe how a singularity can function. We can only say what happened a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second after the big bang occurred.

      A "cause" for the big bang isn't even really a valid way of thinking. Causality is a human construct which requires movement in time in a single direction. Since time didn't exist at the point of the singularity, the concept of causality doesn't apply.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Topher,

      Since god would have set up the rules, he would not need to 'take punishment' for him wanting to change the rules. The idea of a universe-creator 'taking punishment' for rules he created is so absurd as to be laughable.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Topher

      Rational Libertarian

      Topher

      "I see by your random capitalization and ridiculous references to being "smushed" for not following God's ridiculous morality code that you are a Christian. Thread over."

      Dude, I thought you knew I was a Christian. Sorry.

      You don't believe in morals, either?

      June 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • WASP

      @Topher
      "So do you believe that nothing created everything?
      June 15, 2012 at 11:43 am"

      asking that question is the equal to saying god created everything from nothing. so why is it so hard to believe that everything came into being without a "god"? i know christians like to state "god was always here".....how about the same idea in science, the universe was always here it only keeps remaking itself.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Topher

      *facepalm*

      I don't understand your objection. If there's a God then He'd certainly get to set the rules. And if we break such rules, He can certainly deal with us as we deserve. But He doesn't WANT to have to punish us so He took the punishment in our place. No morality rules (Commandments) have changed. What is laughable about it?

      June 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Sir Bedevere

      Your god set the rules. Your god can change the rules. So, the options for your god are 1) Fix the issue with punishment or 2) fix the issue with no punishment.

      If your narrative is correct, then your god is a masochist. If your narrative is correct, your god is not all powerful because an omnipotent being cannot, by definition, make a sacrifice.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Topher

      WASP

      "i know christians like to state "god was always here".....how about the same idea in science, the universe was always here it only keeps remaking itself."

      Because the evidence doesn't support the universe always being here. For instance, we can see that it is expanding (and many other things). In fact, the Big Bang, though I don't believe it, makes more sense that it was just always there.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • vulpecula

      Hi Topher! /wave

      It would be interesting too if we found out we had been visited by aliens and that we had actually taught them the concept of gods, and they returned to their home to spread the word, only to end up totally annihilating their race.

      no proof of that either though.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • vulpecula

      Not all concepts of gods pressed rules on us. Some were purely creators and that was it.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Topher

      Sir Bedevere

      "Your god set the rules. Your god can change the rules. So, the options for your god are 1) Fix the issue with punishment or 2) fix the issue with no punishment."

      If He didn't punish you for breaking the laws He wouldn't be a just judge, now would he?

      "If your narrative is correct, then your god is a masochist. If your narrative is correct, your god is not all powerful because an omnipotent being cannot, by definition, make a sacrifice."

      Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. As God He's perfect. As man he's one of us, a descendant of Adam and thus can "speak" for us. The Bible calls Jesus "the last Adam." That makes Him the perfect sacrifice.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Topher

      vulpecula

      Yeah, that would be interesting. But since there's no evidence for it there's no use in believing in it. No aliens actually fits with the Bible ...

      June 15, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Know What

      Topher,
      "since there's no evidence for it there's no use in believing in it. No aliens actually fits with the Bible ..."

      There is not a single shred of verified evidence for the supernatural beings in the Bible.

      As far as supernatural beings go, the Bible is NOTHING.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Topher

      "As far as supernatural beings go, the Bible is NOTHING."

      Then show me something in it where it is wrong. Give me one historical fact, one name of a king that isn't correct ... something. Show me where there's something that makes the Bible untrustworthy.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Topher – for starters, let's go with the global flood that never actually happened. That's easily dismissed by geological evidence.

      But we don't even need this, because the bible contradicts itself. When the bible lists, say, the size of an army in two different places and gives two different numbers, one or both numbers must necessarily be wrong.

      June 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Topher

      "But we don't even need this, because the bible contradicts itself. When the bible lists, say, the size of an army in two different places and gives two different numbers, one or both numbers must necessarily be wrong."

      For instance?

      June 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Here's some other reasons to doubt the accuracy, authority, and authenticity of the bible:

      LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
      -Ummmmm, rabbits don't chew cud.

      The sermon on the mount, being kind of a big deal in the NT, would have definitely been on a mountain, right? Depends on who you ask:
      MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain
      LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain

      The bible doesn't contradict itself so long as 3 = 7:
      II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land?
      I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes

      June 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Here's some other gems:

      Man can see god's face ... except when he can't
      -And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
      -Whom no man hath seen nor can see.

      Perhaps 0 = 5:
      -Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
      -the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul

      23k = 24k:
      -There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
      -There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand

      13 = 14:
      -There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
      -There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David

      -There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ.
      -There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ.

      11 = 12:
      Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
      Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram

      800k = 1.1M:
      The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of Judah 500,000
      The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of Judah 470,000

      Want to keep going?

      June 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Know What

      Topher,

      –The virginity of a woman is not determined by sprinkling magic water on her to see if her thigh rots - Numbers 5:27

      –Leprosy is not cured by a magical anointing with dove's and lamb's blood - Lev 14

      –Animals are not genetically altered by having them stare at certain geometrical patterns as they eat - Gen 30

      –Pi is not 3 - 1 Kings

      You want more...? @facepalm is doing great too.

      June 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Topher

      "LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
      -Ummmmm, rabbits don't chew cud."

      From Encyclodedia Brittanica ... "Some lagomorphs (rabbits and hares) are capable of re-ingesting moist and nutritionally rich fecal pellets, a practice considered comparable to cud-chewing in ruminants"

      Yeah, they do.

      June 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      shit != cud

      No, they don't.

      June 15, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Bob

      Rachel, you need to do some reading. The bible, that Christian book of nasty, is actually a horrid, evil book. It has Christian god making evil demands of people such as this fine stuff:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      June 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Rachel

      Topher-Great job in debunking these atheist arguments.

      🙂

      June 15, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Rachel,

      I assume that you're being facetious, considering he has yet to debunk a single assertion and hasn't even addressed more than a small fraction of them thus far.

      June 15, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Topher

      Thanks, Rachel. They spout the same nonsense every day. I'm getting tired of typing that rabbit stuff.

      June 15, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    June 15, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Learn how prayer changes things at prolapsed.net. See the face of god.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      Is this a scheduled task that runs, or are you crazy enough to be sitting their pressing a button manually?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      June 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
  6. CaballeroKid

    Wow...some of you critics have WAY too much time on your hands. Additionally, I don't even know where to begin to address the mis and false information being spread here. Some of you actually make comments about the LDS faith which indicate you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Before you go bashing, why don't you thoroughly investigate before posting on a public site? Some of these misinformed comments speak much more about the individual posting it rather than the religion you're defacing. I'm outta here.

    June 15, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • vulpecula

      (you don't know what your talking about)...."I'm outta here"

      A classic hit and run. How much does anyone want to bet he is still lurking arround waiting to see responses?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      He'll say things like "you're wrong" but won't provide any evidence. He just tells us to research it through the LDS themselves. Yeah, because they would never use spin to not make themselves look like loonies.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • No one gives a sh it

      what the French think... juggle that ass hole !

      June 15, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Ted

      Jacques...if you really want to know something about me, do you ask me or someone with a vested interest in me looking bad? Do you expect an unbiased answer if you ask a Denver Broncos fan about the Raiders? Sure, if you go to a Mormon to ask him about his beliefs, I expect that he'll try to explain them in a positive light. If you have confidence in your own judgment, listen to a Mormon and filter what he says. But you shouldn't refuse to ask a Mormon out of fear that he'll fool you. Not if you consider yourself an intelligent man. Most anti-mormon posts on this article paint Mormons as being fools. Do you think a fool could fool you? Really? And another point – do you believe Mormons are accountable to God for whether or not they keep the commandment "Thou shalt not lie"? If you really want to know what they claim to be true, ask one! If he lies, God will punish him. You don't need to do the verbal punishing yourself. Besides, if you come out actively against them, and in the end, it turns out that they were right all along, you'll feel pretty stupid, huh?

      June 15, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • CNN Moderator

      And the win goes to .... vulpecula

      June 15, 2012 at 11:43 am |
  7. AverageJoe76

    I also find it funny that most of the Christian and Jewish faithful don't entertain the likely truth that the people they read about in their books were 'ethnic-looking'. If your gonna accept the whole 'Adam & Eve' scenario, they say the Garden OF Eden was somewhere in Ethiopia. Moses was able to hide Egypt. Jesus was also able to hide from King Heron amongst the people. In warm regions, not known to house large populations of caucasians. Why don't they at least admit that? I still see white Jesus all over the place. Sometimes they got 'em looking like a tranny-Snow White. Rosey cheeks, no birds or squirrels on his shoulders.

    June 15, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • LinCA

      Oh no, Michael Jackson was the second coming of Jesus. And he was killed by a devout christian!

      June 15, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • vulpecula

      Funny, I thought the popular concensus was that Eden was south of Baghdad.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  8. AverageJoe76

    Sounds like one of those religions that can only thrive in an isolated community. Because the BS is too heavy for any 'worldly' person to shovel.

    June 15, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • vulpecula

      and yet, no other religion as any more proof of it being real than this one does. Number of believers is not an indicator of truth.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      I know, but this religion sounds like a bad spin-off; "Revenge Of the Jesus, Pt. 2" or something.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  9. Jarom

    The book of MORON is not worth the price of a penny.
    It is no better than Toilet Paper and the sheep that follow it are fools!
    I lIve in UT and can say Momo's are nice enough but across the board....IDIOTS!
    Wipe you butt with the book of Momo....it was started by a con man!

    June 15, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • ME II

      To which Moron's book are you referring? Moses, Jesus, Mathew, Mark, Mohammed, etc.?

      June 15, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Ted

      Jarom, did that feel good? Cathartic? I hope so. Now that your thoughts are out there, how many people do you really think were educated by your rant? What I got out of it is that you're bitter, offended, vindictive, and potentially jealous (could be for good reason, but I don't know). I certainly wasn't convinced that Mormons are idiots that follow a conman. I know too many Mormons to believe that. So, given the evidence of what I see in LDS acquaintances compared to what you wrote, I'm inclined to dismiss your words altogether, and pity you for the hate that you harbor. Let it go and let them be.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  10. Amy

    As a non Mormon living in Utah for 20 years .. I have been told many times by Missionaries of the Mormon Faith that they feel that their religion is the only true religion. If They think that they are superior to other religions . They have only themselves to blame for other religions not taking their religion seriously or think of Mormonism as Illegitimate religion. A Male member of the LDS Church told me once that since i was adopted.. I have no family.... Who in any religion would tell a child or adult that was adopted . They have no family....

    June 15, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Don't most believers think that their beliefs are the correct beliefs? It's not like the OTR philosophy is monopolized by the mormons.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Amy Smith-Lee

      With Mormonism being the dominate religion here in Utah. I can only base my comments on what i see since i live in Utah.. if someone was to tell me i have it wrong then i am woman enough to admit to my mistakes.. I have met some nice Mormons who don't treat me like i have committed some crime because i don't believe in any religion..

      June 15, 2012 at 10:46 am |
  11. joe

    "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    ...Stephen F Roberts

    June 15, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I always hated that quote.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • vulpecula

      @Rational Libertarian
      Hate it or not, if a monotheist wants to understand an atheist's perspective, they only need to look at their own perspective of thinks like Zeus riding his flaming chariot across the sky. When they realize how easy it is for them to dismiss that as myth, fantasy or fiction, they will understand the atheist perspective on any god.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Except their own God. Hypocrisy of belief, I suppose.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      It's the irony of thinking your God is the right God, and that all other Gods are false.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • stupid followed to it's logical conclusion

      leads to atheism

      June 15, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  12. Rational Libertarian

    Lisa Harris smart smart smart, smart smart smart smart smart.
    Martin Harris dumb dumb dumb, dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

    June 15, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      In America? That sounds kind of... dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:25 am |
  13. Brent

    Really people? This article is about the FBI recovering a stolen artifact that is sacred to some people and the great people of the United States has to turn it into a bash on some peoples religions... Let it be, Let the LDS people believe what they want to believe and you can believe what you want to believe. There is no reason for this. They are not making you read the book of Mormon and making you believe it.

    June 15, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Mormons are allowed to practice their religion and we're allowed to mock them for it, that's how freedom works.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:06 am |
    • vulpecula

      Freedom of speech is protected just like freedom of religion. Do you stop street preachers from witnessing to sinners?

      June 15, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      You have the right to believe something ridiculous and I have the right to mock it. Is this a great country or what?

      June 15, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • No one gives a sh it

      for French opinion... ass hole !

      June 15, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Jake

      You people are so ignorant. This story is not about if the Mormon church is right or wrong or what it practices. Do you all feel better each day going online to news story to argue and show your ignorance to one another?

      June 15, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  14. Amy

    Why is the Mormon faith the only religion on the planet to have a second book.? What made them so special ? i was told that there can only be only one book and that is the bible.. If that is true then how can you say that the Mormon religion be a Legitimate religion . When they did not follow the bible .

    If i was to go to field and say that i saw an angel or I saw God.. I would be locked up in a insane Asylum.....So How can the Mormon believe every word that Joseph Smith said.. I heard that they would not even let African Americans in their wards or hold the priesthood until the 1970's. I have yet to see Heaven!!!!!!! How does the people who believe in Religion know that Heaven exists.. I would love to see proof that Heaven exists?

    June 15, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Madtown

      They'll tell you that if you want proof, you need to read their book! Christians tell you that as well.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • vulpecula

      Actually, i beleive that would be the third book. the first and second books are called Old Testament and New Testament, and even they are nothing more than collections of other books, stories, and poems..

      June 15, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Why is it that god was so vocal and appeared to so many people for so long, and then went totally silent 2000 years ago? I've never understood the automatic dismissal by believers of those who claim to have communicated or seen god.

      And Amy, you're obviously confusing 'religion' with 'christianity' as your own religion is really just an additional book away from it's roots of judaism. And do you feel the same way about the catholic church? The RCC feels that god makes additional revelations to the pope, which really isn't substantively different than the revelations that JS received.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Warren

      There are many religious texts in this world. "Christians" (or I should say those who generally follow the ancient religious creeds of the Christian faith) believe the Bible is the only book that contains the word of God. Just because someone told you that's true doesn't mean it necessarily is. The Mormons treat the Book of Mormon as a Second witness of Jesus Christ. One of the fundamental beliefs within the Mormon faith is that over centuries the Church that Jesus Christ established on the earth during his life disappeared as Christ's apostles were killed and the basic doctrines of the Church were replaced or mixed with ancient Roman beliefs and philosophies (for example: the belief in the Trinity being one being or essence draws from Neoplatonism and the idea of what is known as "the One"). In other words, the Mormons believe there was an apostasy or a turning away by early Christians from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. The Mormons believe that through Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ's original church structure, authority, and doctrines were returned to the earth. As evidence of this "restoration" of the true church, the Mormons teach that Joseph Smith was given a second book of scripture that contains a record of the ancient people that lived on the American continent. They claim the book contains God's teachings as taught by ancient prophets on the American continent just as biblical Christianity claims the Bible contains God's teachings as taught by ancient prophets in the Middle East. Mormons believe the two books together stand as witnesses that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind (in other words, they read both the Bible and Book of Mormon and believe both books are true). Mormons assert that if the Book of Mormon is truly what it asserts to be, then Joseph Smith was telling the truth about seeing God and Jesus Christ. The book would show that Joseph Smith really was called as a modern prophet and God's true church really is restored upon the earth today.

      As a side note, having an additional book of scripture should not be foreign to Christians. At the death of Christ, Christians were just considered to be Jews with a strange belief. The Jews didn't think of them as a different religion. Most early Christians still held the Jewish books of scripture to be holy. It wasn't until ceneturies later, that a council decided what is now the Bible would be the Catholic Church's only book of scripture. The Bible didn't even exist at the time of Christ. Christ himself referred to the Jewish religious texts in his teachings. I think biblical Christianity is far to quick to condemn others for using other religious texts when they don't understand their own past

      June 15, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • ME II

      Islam has the Quran and yet respects or honors the Old and New Testaments. Don't know if they consider them sacred or not.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • Amy Smith-Lee

      facepalm- I don't believe in any religion . Okay i admit that i made a typing mistake. I meant Christianity . I do know the difference between Religion and Christianity... just made a small mistake.. As far as the Catholic Church i don't believe in that religion either. I was baptized Lutheran.. I have since over the years stop believing in any religion. All i have seen is hate and people justify their hate by using their Religion...People have the right to believe in whatever they want to but don't try to silent those who don't agree with it.. i Know that i am probably being hypocritical . My thoughts are if I see people who are being discriminated against i will stand up against the disenfranchised . Hating anyone in the name of any Religion is wrong.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • vulpecula

      @Me ll
      The muslim veiw of the old and new testiment is that they were once valid in there original form, but have been corrupted. The share almost all the same prophets with the exception of their there last prophet, Mohammed. But like Christianity and Judaism, the Muslim religion now has many different sects with their own sub-sects.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Amy,
      The first five books of the bible were collated about 500 bc from writings dating to 1000bc. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all claim to worship the God of Abraham. Muslims trace their last and great prophet Muhammed from Abrahams son Ishmael. Christians trace Jesus the son of God from Abrahams son Issac. Christianity began with Jesus about 30ad. Islam began with Muhammed about 600ad. The Mormons got their start with Joseph Smith around 1830. Some say Mormons are another Christian denomination others say they are a cult. Most brands of religion claim they are the only true religion.

      If you would like to see proof of heaven it is available. There is one little catch to get that occasional glimpse of glory land.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • vulpecula

      @Robert Brown
      you said, "If you would like to see proof of heaven it is available. There is one little catch to get that occasional glimpse of glory land"

      1) Which heaven are you refering too? If your refering to the christian that he now supposedly lives with his angels, it is not knowable to you. If your refering to the kingdom of heaven that will contain god and the living dead in their new physical bodies, that place isn't to be created until the time of judgement and the rapture.
      2) their are many world religions other than the Abrahamic ones that have a doomsday scenario that includes a heaven. Most of them are or were older religions.
      3) there is no evidence of such places existing.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:40 am |
  15. cedar rapids

    Tom...
    Obama never claimed in any of his books that he was born in Kenya.
    And secondly......the guy was a lawyer and a professor before getting elected to office.

    if you have to make stuff up to try to make your point then maybe you need to re-evaluate your position.

    June 15, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  16. Brickell Princess

    To imply that it is a "rare book" might imply that it possesses an important truth. It does not! The Harry Potter series contains more truth than the books of Morons.

    June 15, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • Warren

      Implying the Book of Mormon is a rare book doesn't imply anything more than that it is a rare book. Also, asserting that the book doesn't contain truth when you probably haven't read it carries no weight. If you have read it, I would find it hard to believe you did not find any truth in its teachings. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for or against the Book of Mormon. I believe it is up to each person to determine the truthfullness of any religion, but I have read the Book of Mormon and it contains many truths within the framework of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:04 am |
  17. c

    dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb--southpark

    June 15, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  18. no

    Is this the edition where man was said to be living on the moon? I'm curious as I've heard this book of mormon was actually written by a pastor that could not afford to get it published and it was stolen by someone that worked in the tannery. Later it came in the hands of Joesph Smith and he concocted a wild story about it being translated from Reformed heirogyltics from Eygpt and some Angel translated the story. It seems so unbellieviable and odd, this book must be looked at and compared with the printing of today to show what has b een changed.

    June 15, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  19. vulpecula

    blind faith = willful ignorance

    June 15, 2012 at 9:50 am |
  20. mike

    It's a fake. Not the book, but the religion.

    June 15, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Warren

      That's a bold assertion if you have nothing else to add. Also, if the book isn't fake, why would the religion somehow be fake? The Book of Mormon is one of the keys the Mormons use to try to show the truthfullness of their church. Your statement seems a little off.

      June 15, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Warren

      Smith was a known conman, and he conned some poor idiot (Harris) into translating nothingness out of a stovepipe hat. Smith just wanted power, money and more than anything else, lots of women. Any idiot knows Mormonism is a load of crap.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Warren

      Rational Libertarian,

      Simply stating that Smith was a known conman does not make it true. Maybe it does in your mind or the mind of "any idiot that knows Mormonism is a load of crap", but in the mind of rational thinkers that is nothing more than a baseless assertion. Also, saying he wanted power, money and more than anything else, lots of women-nothing more than a baseless assertion. I have studied the Mormon religion and will say that I am not advocating for or against it. Until you know the FACTS about what you are speaking about, you shouldn't be so quick to rush to judgment. For example, Martin Harris didn't translate anything out of a stovepipe hat. This may be what you were taught or read in anti-mormon literature. Just my observation.

      June 15, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      SMITH WAS A CONMAN. He was charged in 1826 with being a "disorderly person" for his seer stone bulls.hit.

      Also, I know Harris didn't translate out of the hat, Smith (who spent a serious amount of his life with his head in a hat) "read" out of the hate and had Harris transcribe (I meant transcribe initially, not translate, my apologies).

      June 15, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • just sayin

      "Simply stating that Smith was a known conman does not make it true."
      .
      His criminal history is established my Mormon friend

      June 15, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • just sayin

      Spoken like someone who knows frauds and impostors. God bless

      June 15, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Warren

      Just Sayin then please establish his criminal history.

      June 15, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Warren
      Joe Smith was a "treasure seeker" in the mid 1820's.
      In 1826, he was charged, tried and convicted in New York for his "seer stone" scam – he used his magic rocks to find treasure for people, for a fee of course.
      There are arrest warrants, court transcripts and legal bills from four separate charges. The cases detail Smith's involvement in glass looking, or treasure seeking, and being a disorderly person.
      There is further docu/mentation showing that the local constable had not only a warrant but also a mittimus which ordered Smith to be escorted out of the county – indicating that he was found guilty.

      June 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
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