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FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon
The FBI recovered a stolen first-edition of the Book of Mormon.
June 14th, 2012
04:15 PM ET

FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon

By Carol Cratty, CNN

(CNN)–Law enforcement agents have recovered a rare first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon that was reported stolen from a Mesa, Arizona, bookstore in late May.

The FBI announced Thursday the religious book, first published in 1830 in New York, was located two days ago in Herndon, Virginia, and a suspect was arrested.

The Book of Mormon is considered scripture by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, on par with the Bible.

Jay Michael Linford, 48, is awaiting extradition to Arizona, where he faces charges of theft and trafficking in stolen property.

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According to a court affidavit, the owner of the Arizona bookstore - identified only as Witness 1 - reported the theft to the Mesa Police Department on May 28.

The bookstore owner told police she had been in business with Linford, who brokered the sale of pages of the rare book on her behalf.

The woman said their business relationship had ended but Linford knew she kept the first-edition in a locked fireproof box in a file cabinet and had access to it around the time she believes it was stolen. According to the affidavit, Witness 1 said Linford had a key to the box and to the location where the book could be found.

The bookstore owner told police once she realized the book was missing - along with its fireproof box - she contacted Linford and he "denied having the book or having any knowledge of its location."

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The affidavit says the bookstore owner also reached out to people who buy and sell rare books to alert them that the book had been stolen.

A Texas man identified as Witness 2 replied that he recently had bought two pages of a Book of Mormon from Linford for $7,500 and that Linford said the book was owned by a family in North Carolina. The pages were shipped to the Texas man, who later determined they did come from the Arizona woman's first-edition.

The FBI's Art Theft unit and other agents investigated and found the book after locating the suspect staying with an acquaintance in Virginia, the affidavit said.

The FBI would not estimate how much this edition of the Book of Mormon might be worth. The Arizona bookstore owner placed the value at $100,000. However, the Mesa Police Department consulted experts who gave an estimate of $40,000 because pages had been taken out of the book and sold.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Books • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Mormonism

soundoff (2,069 Responses)
  1. Solo

    Rare? Not likely. Mormons invented their "religion" out of a desire to have men control women and their unusual lifestyle choices, and just writing it down and burying it in the ground, only to "discover" it later is hilarious! I cannot believe that people actually follow this nonsense and build their lives around the ramblings of a few drunken and insane men. This has to be the closest thing to a cult I've ever seen (and yes, I've read portions of The B of M.) Utah just expected Mormons to stay close to home and have ten children to keep their cult alive. It worked, but they are not the pure saints they claim to be.

    June 16, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      I suspect that more than just the Mormons were thinking along those lines.

      June 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  2. rybl101

    Okay…so there’s this guy named “Jesus.” And he is a cosmic, Jewish zombie who requires you to cannibalize his bread-skin while telepathically swearing allegiance to him weekly. And if you do, you will be saved from the sin committed by a rib-woman who was convinced by a talking snake to eat a magic apple.

    Seriously – how does this sound any more plausible than Zeus throwing lighting or Apollo and his chariot pulling the sun?

    Q: What is the difference between theology and mythology?

    A: Perspective

    June 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Maria in AQ

      What a miserable; empty; lonely like you must live. I guess you're one of the ones who will know the truth only when it's too late. Sad.

      June 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Maria, rybl101 is absolutely correct in his analysis of religion. Sadly, you will not be disappointed at the end of life because you will never know how wrong you are. There is no afterlife. There is no consciousness. When the lights go off, there is nothing.

      June 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  3. Jack

    God is good – his love endures forever. Everyone is welcome to visit – thestarofkaduri.com

    June 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Utter nonsense, Jack. Unicorns, leprechauns, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Tinker Bell, Santa Claus, Jesus, God–all complete nonsense. There is no magical kingdom in the sky. There is also no hell, no Satan. There is only this life here on earth. Make the best of it–that's all there is. It's enough if you do it right.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • except that as atheists

      you accelerate from 0 to stupid faster than the speed of light

      June 16, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      except that as atheists, do you even know the speed of light? Does faith-based science allow for such measurements? If you truly believe that dinosaurs walked the earth with humans, can we trust your judgment of anything? I think not. And you think not at all.

      June 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  4. shep

    Do a wiki search on the White Horse Prophecy. Learn why a Romney presidency would be dangerous.

    June 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      You mean Whitehorse, Yukon, right?

      June 16, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  5. riamb60

    I don't see any comments from Mittens as yet......

    June 16, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  6. Mark

    All I want it for the missionaries to quit coming to my front door. How do I do that?

    June 16, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • peter

      Smack one in the face and they will flee like the devil

      June 16, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Answer the door naked. Worked for me with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • JWT

      I just ignore them – when i look through the front door and see it's the JW I just go vack to what I was doing, they can stand there as long as they want. The dog just loves barking at them.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • peter

      jwt–and they will keep on coming back

      June 16, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Move to Singapore.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • kim

      If you want the missionaries to stop coming over, just tell them that your not interested and you will not be interested. missionaries don't want to teach people who are sincerely not interested in the gospel. I'd recommend, however, you read the Book of Mormon cover to cover before deciding against it, it is worth the every minute you spend with it.

      June 16, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Kurt

      Kim, how are your Magic Mormon Undies today? Mitt's seem to be in knots.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • JWT

      Well Peter they do have a problem with the word no – so no they are just in the iggy list of life.

      June 17, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  7. wonder

    What is Mormon? What are its belief basis and its practices?

    June 16, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • peter

      Mormons believe that the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ written by joeseph smith in 1830 is the word of God.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • truth be told

      think smurfs on drugs

      June 16, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • ME II

      Jesus II, the sequel. not the second coming

      And we all know how good the sequels are.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • trish101

      They obviously don't believe that tearing apart their sacred text is so bad, I guess. Kind of odd.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • trevor bryant

      ME II has it right, think "jesus– reboot, except THIS time, he's AMERICAN!" and the Indians (native americans) are the lost tribe o Israel and white, throw in a little Aryan eugenics, because only blond hair and blues are good people and thusly dark features indicate evilness especially of the darker races, throw in some proseltyzing the likes of which the inquisition would have been proud of, excommunicate you from your family if you dont agree 100% with church doctrine. They have 9 popes who all speak with god (literally) and are infallible at any given time, actually have to donate 10% of your salary to be a member (see pyramid scheme), recruit the young and stupid by building churches across from schools, do public service to look good, not to help people, wealth is proof how much god loves you, won't let you IN to their church unless you are a member but WILL come to YOUR home to recruit er... save youn(see magic underwear), marry people for the sole purpose of bringing them into the church... just your basic cult stuff. I dated one, having been raised catholic, and I am here to tell you, they are catholics squared. Incredibly, gullibly religious. Great people, but crazy. You can spot them by their perfect teeth (they have a dental plan) and light eyes and hair which they consider proof of your goodness. THey have a comic book to read about their religion if you don't believe me... they REALLY look to recruit them young and dumb. That's why they emphasize raising kids so much, they seek to breed heathens out of existence.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  8. Felix El Gato

    How embarrassing for the Mormons.

    June 16, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Just as the Bible is embarrassing for mainstream Christians.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • except that as atheists

      you have no knowledge of the Truth.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  9. Judgment

    Peteyroo is a good example of what's wrong with this world!

    June 16, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • truth be told

      peteyroo is an example of what is wrong with peteyroo

      June 16, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Judgment

      Yes, that is clearer.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Peteyroo

      I see you're confused and angry, my bedwetting friend. I, of course, disagree with your obviously false accusation. I am what is right with this world. I am a good and decent atheist nearly overwhelmed by the religious zealots who spew hatred at all who dare to be different. I welcome diversity. I do not feel threatened by folks who have different opinions.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • truth be told

      no one anywhere could ever feel threatened by peteyroo, i believe the right descriptive term would be wuss.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  10. Frank

    Many have questioned Mormon leaders further on each of these points only to discover the false pretenses each statement portends to expound and with its actual meaning exposed, discovered that their "truth of jesus christ" was supported entirely by the Book of Mormon but in complete contrast to Holy Scripture.

    June 16, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Peteyroo

      THe Book of Mormon and the Holy Bible are utter nonsense.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Smite Them

      Frank Schmank

      Mormon Schmormon

      Scripture Schmipture

      June 16, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  11. Frank

    Mormonism is a collection of polished dung made to look like a "rock" of importance!! One wicked, wayward man, Joseph Smith, from the dung hill of selfish desires took an idol loving heart, polished it with the same methods used in Christianity and presented it to an ignorant populace as the truth of Jesus Christ!!!! NONSENSE!!

    June 16, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Frank, what set you off on your hateful tirade this morning? Just being a good mainstream Christian hatemonger? You know what I mean. Anyone with a slightly different viewpoint is so wrong that they deserve to rot in hell and be exposed as charlatans? Regardless, I feel you have the right to speak your feeble mind no matter how ridiculous your thoughts.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Judgment

      Peteyroo, it seems that you brought the hate calling him a "mofo". His statement is what it is...His statement. Who are yout to Judge his intentions?

      June 16, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Sam

      This is just your opinion. And opinions are like _____ everyone has one.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Frank

      No, sorry but you are mistaken!

      June 16, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Judgment, Frank is so confused that he needs the guidance I provide. It's for his own good.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  12. Frank

    It appears that CNN (communist news network) practices Censorship against differenting opinions

    June 16, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Frank, ease up mofo. Let me give you an outside perspective: you're a low-life dung-muncher.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Sam

      And what opposing view would you recommend, you idiot? That the Book of Mormon was not stolen and not recovered?

      June 16, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Judgment

      They blocked his post SAM! Can you not read!

      June 16, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • LinCA

      @Frank

      You said, "It appears that CNN (communist news network) practices Censorship against differenting opinions"

      CNN uses WordPress blogs for their opinion pieces, and they use automated censoring that looks for words, or fragments of words, that are considered offensive. If your post doesn't show up, it most likely had a forbidden word in it.

      Repeat posts, even those that were previously censored and not displayed, will show a message stating that you posted it before.

      The following words or word fragments will get your post censored (list is incomplete):
      arse
      bastard
      bitch
      cock
      coon
      cum
      cunt
      douche
      effing
      fag
      ftw
      fuck
      homo
      horny
      jackass
      jap
      jism
      kinky
      kooch
      nipple
      orgy
      pis
      porn
      poo
      prick
      rape
      sex
      shit
      slut
      snatch
      spic
      tit
      twat
      vag
      whore
      wtf

      To circumvent the filters you can break up the words by putting an extra character in, like: consti.tution (breaking the oh so naughty "tit").

      June 16, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Frank

      Thanks for the list, but NONE of these words were in my post. Again, thanks though.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Helpful Hints

      Frank,

      Look for the applicable WORD FRAGMENTS / LETTER COMBINATIONS - like t'it in consti'tution, c'um in doc'ument, etc.

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters or some html tricks to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      ---
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in racc-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-nthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      que-er
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
      sp-ank
      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-oon
      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      strip-per
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!
      There's another phrase that someone found, "wo-nderful us" (have no idea what sets that one off).

      June 16, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Kurt

      Frank is stupid, just like most religious folk. He can't help it. Apparently his god made him that way.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
  13. Frank

    Where are my post CNN?

    June 16, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Up your backside along with your head.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  14. Switters

    Now that we have it – can we read it out loud to the American people....?

    June 16, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  15. Jonah

    There seems to be a lot of down right ignorance as to what mormons believe, so for eveyone's benefit, here is what we believe:

    “We believe in God the eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
    “We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
    “We believe that through the atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
    “We believe that the first principle[s] and ordinances of the Gospel are: (1) Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; (2) Repentance; (3) Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; (4) Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    “We believe that a man must be called of God by prophecy and by the laying on hands, by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
    “We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive Church, viz: apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, etc.
    “We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, etc.
    “We believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
    “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
    “We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion will be built upon this [the American] continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the di ctates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers and magistrates, in obeying[,] honoring, and sustaining the law.
    “We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul, ‘We believe all thing[s], we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
    “Respectfully, &c., Joseph Smith” 

    June 16, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Religion is for sheep.

      You believe this crap....WOW you are STUPID!

      June 16, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • Jonah

      No, you are stupid!

      June 16, 2012 at 9:33 am |
    • Jonah

      No atheist has ever contributed anything worthwhile to mankind.

      June 16, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • midwest rail

      " No atheist has ever contributed anything worthwhile to mankind. " Delusional nonsense.

      June 16, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • Arizona

      Do you believe in the magic salamander too???? I was raised Morman and could not wait until I was 18 to leave that whack religon........

      June 16, 2012 at 9:54 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Jonah, you dung-munching canine! I see you still have your head up your backside.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • stupid followed to it's logical conclusion

      becomes atheism

      June 16, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • midwest rail

      ^ ^ ^ False.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Nunez

      What about the submarine, I want to hear the part about the Jesus submarine. Please Please.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      All religion is nonsense! Your time would be better spent improving life here on earth rather than preparing for a nonexistent afterlife.

      June 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Rohan

      Jonah lists many of the beliefs of the mormon church. He neglects to mention some of them. Let’s look at it carefully. If there are discrepancies in the book of mormon or the other “scriptures” accepted by them,or historical inaccuracies, then the whole thing falls apart.

      The book of mormon (the BM, for short) states that native americans are descended from the Hebrews. Genetic testing proves that to be not true.

      The BM mentions elephants. There were no elephants in the americas at that time.

      The BM mentions chariots. The wheel was unknown in the americas before europeans showed up (there is apparently a toy with wheels on it but they apparently never made the connection to use it for transportation or chariots)

      The BM mentions iron weapons. Iron was never used by the ancient americans.

      No mormon names have ever been found in any sort of inscription in the western hemisphere.

      The story is that jesus showed up in ancient america to spread the word. They equate that to quetzalcuatl, the aztec god. Quetzalcuatl was an aztec god who slept with his sister and left the area. He was supposed to return at one point. Not exactly the representation of Jesus I’d expect.

      The language the BM was written in, “reformed egyptian” doesn’t exist. Never has.

      Supposedly there were no records to tell Smith about cities in the ancient americas. That one is also not true. Do 5 minutes of research on the subject and you will find it to be false.

      In the “doctrine and covanants”, another book of scripture by Smith, et. al., God gives to Smith the right to perform a ceremony called “calling and election made sure”, or “the holy spirit of promise”, and very specifically states that only one person on the face of the earth at any time can hold the right/power to perform the ceremony. 20 pages later, he (god) gives the right to do so to Smith’s brother, Hiram. So either god forgot he made that right exclusive, changed his mind (?), or Smith just botched that one.

      The religion is a total fraud. That said, I admire most mormons. They are very often nice people who work hard, have a solid community, are charitable, and are all-around pretty good. So whatever helps you get through life is fine by me. But don’t go around telling everyone it’s all true. It isn’t.

      June 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  16. Jack

    Good morning everyone, you are welcome to visit ... thestarofkaduri.com

    June 16, 2012 at 7:13 am |
    • Jonah

      It's a good start, Jack, but you would learn more about Jesus by going to his church (The Church of Jesus Christ) and you can learn about his church at mormon.org. Your video said a few things which were not, in fact, true – obviously not researched.

      June 16, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • Rohan

      See my previous response to Jonah.

      June 16, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ,

    June 16, 2012 at 6:22 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Really? I has NOT changed you into an intelligent being. It obviously doesn't work and changes nothing.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • prayer is

      a force that caused you to reply

      June 16, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven effective
      Powerful
      Pervasive
      Prayer really changes things

      June 16, 2012 at 10:47 am |
  18. The greatest recovery of the century

    The most correct book in the face of the earth.

    June 16, 2012 at 4:02 am |
    • Peteyroo

      You're full of dog poo, my feeble-minded friend. Get a grip. Religion is for losers.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • truth given

      and peteyroo is an authority on losers having been one its entire life

      June 16, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  19. HotAirAce

    Clearly I accept the law, and its definition of when life begins and when a "baby" is really a baby, as it exists. And I have no interest in controlling others. Your question about what the "baby" would decide is nonsensical given that there is no way to pose the question or get a response. For right or for wrong, the parents get to make the call, and to live with their decision.

    June 16, 2012 at 3:48 am |
    • Topher

      The question is why should they get the option? If it is a human, why is it any different for parents to decide to kill it if it is outside of the womb? You say you have no interest in controlling others, but I bet you want to control them in this situation.

      June 16, 2012 at 4:00 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Because the duly elected legislative bodies passed laws and the SC concurred that gives them that right.

      The context of this discussion is religious belief. If you want to oppose abortion on religious grounds then I say "mind your own business!" as the original poster suggested. If you have a novel legal argument, then go for it, but I suspect you don't.

      In any event, I accept the current legal situation and see no need for change.

      June 16, 2012 at 5:58 am |
    • No one gives a sh it

      what a Canadian has to say about someone else country mind your own affairs ass hole !

      June 16, 2012 at 6:16 am |
    • William

      You call religions cults that have too much power yet than say you dont want to control them. Your tone and context speaks of what is in your heart even if the words you carefully have chosen seem benign.
      You come across as a bitter atheist.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • HotAirAce

      William, your fortune telling act is totally consistent with being a believer – you think you can see things that are not there.

      How about dealing with the substance of the discussion. Thanks for showing my basic premise is correct – believers cannot be relied upon to "live and let live."

      June 16, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  20. watash

    One can argue about religion until they die and never be able to prove diddly squat because it is un-provable. Like the plants and lesser animals, mortal humans are born and sooner or later will die and rot or just dissapear into the enviornment from whence they came. What you believe while on this earth is your business, but I believe everyone would be better off if they spent their time doing productive tasks and minding their own business.

    June 16, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • Peteyroo

      D'accord!

      June 16, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Excellent sentiment which I would like to completely support but religion and believers have had control for too many years, many with absolutely no counterbalance, and there appears to be a religious resurgence, at least in the USA, so speaking up against their influence is very important. The status quo is not acceptable as that leaves things largely as believers would like, with other's rights still being threatened or denied.

      June 16, 2012 at 1:31 am |
    • Topher

      HotAirAce

      Which rights are those?

      June 16, 2012 at 3:00 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Abortion rights (constantly under threat from murdering rightwing religious nuts) and the right of anyone to marry any consenting adult they want to (currently denied in numerous states due to homophobic rightwing religious nuts).

      June 16, 2012 at 3:07 am |
    • Topher

      "Abortion rights (constantly under threat from murdering rightwing religious nuts) "

      So you think it's ok to murder?

      June 16, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • HotAirAce

      No, it is not ok to murder. Abortion, carried out according to the applicable laws, is not murder. If believers minded their own business, say by controlling their cult members to prevent the 700,000+ abortions per year in the USA had by believers and didn't try to get the laws changed because their non-existent imaginary god says so, people such as I would have less to react to. We could mind our own business and not worry about having to keep an eye on religious nuts.

      June 16, 2012 at 3:22 am |
    • Topher

      "No, it is not ok to murder. Abortion, carried out according to the applicable laws, is not murder."

      Wait. Isn't it a human life being ended without cause? Sounds like murder to me.

      June 16, 2012 at 3:27 am |
    • HotAirAce

      You can call it anything you like, but the law says it is legal (under certain conditions). It's been settled all the way up to the supreme court. Only religious groups continue to try to impose their cult's rules on all. If they don't like abortion, they shouldn't have one. They should leave others alone to make their own decision in peace.

      June 16, 2012 at 3:34 am |
    • Topher

      I'd call it murder and I don't need any religion to tell me so. It's the ending of a BABY'S life. And I don't care what the SC calls it. Legalized murder is still murder.

      "They should leave others alone to make their own decision in peace."

      What about the decision of the baby? Don't you think it would decide to live if given the choice?

      June 16, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • Jonah

      He's right, hot air, abortion is murder no matter how you want to euthanize, er, euphemize it. Any mother worth her salt should be willing to die for her baby – not kill it.

      June 16, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Frank

      ACTUALLY, WATASH, you do NOT seem to know WHAT you believe....you basically claimed that you didn't believe any religious doctrine, yet you clearly stated that humans would, "...just dissapear into the enviornment from whence they came." You should know that is a Christian doctrine..."God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrals the breath of life". Evolution does NOT teach this directly. So see, you are ALL CONFUSED>

      June 16, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Curtis

      If I intentionally killed a pregnant woman, the court would change me with 2 counts of First Degree murder. Yup that defines it as murder.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • lyrker

      The actual content of the book matters less to me than the defacing of an antique. That poor book!

      June 16, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Abortion performed under the prescribed conditions is not murder.

      Re defacing the book, the owner was quoted (in an external article references a couple of days ago) as saying the LDS church supported her removal and selling of individual pages. She was doing her lord's work in spreading their cult's gospel.

      June 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • No one gives a sh it

      what happens in Canada, kill off all yourselves... but leave the USA to handle our own business... ass hole !

      June 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
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