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FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon
The FBI recovered a stolen first-edition of the Book of Mormon.
June 14th, 2012
04:15 PM ET

FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon

By Carol Cratty, CNN

(CNN)–Law enforcement agents have recovered a rare first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon that was reported stolen from a Mesa, Arizona, bookstore in late May.

The FBI announced Thursday the religious book, first published in 1830 in New York, was located two days ago in Herndon, Virginia, and a suspect was arrested.

The Book of Mormon is considered scripture by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, on par with the Bible.

Jay Michael Linford, 48, is awaiting extradition to Arizona, where he faces charges of theft and trafficking in stolen property.

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According to a court affidavit, the owner of the Arizona bookstore - identified only as Witness 1 - reported the theft to the Mesa Police Department on May 28.

The bookstore owner told police she had been in business with Linford, who brokered the sale of pages of the rare book on her behalf.

The woman said their business relationship had ended but Linford knew she kept the first-edition in a locked fireproof box in a file cabinet and had access to it around the time she believes it was stolen. According to the affidavit, Witness 1 said Linford had a key to the box and to the location where the book could be found.

The bookstore owner told police once she realized the book was missing - along with its fireproof box - she contacted Linford and he "denied having the book or having any knowledge of its location."

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The affidavit says the bookstore owner also reached out to people who buy and sell rare books to alert them that the book had been stolen.

A Texas man identified as Witness 2 replied that he recently had bought two pages of a Book of Mormon from Linford for $7,500 and that Linford said the book was owned by a family in North Carolina. The pages were shipped to the Texas man, who later determined they did come from the Arizona woman's first-edition.

The FBI's Art Theft unit and other agents investigated and found the book after locating the suspect staying with an acquaintance in Virginia, the affidavit said.

The FBI would not estimate how much this edition of the Book of Mormon might be worth. The Arizona bookstore owner placed the value at $100,000. However, the Mesa Police Department consulted experts who gave an estimate of $40,000 because pages had been taken out of the book and sold.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Books • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Mormonism

soundoff (2,069 Responses)
  1. SDCinNS

    As Paul wrote to the Galatians: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" Galatians 1:8

    And that's exactly what the Morman religion is – Joseph Smith came along and said, "an angel gave to me a different gospel."

    Mormanism, by definition from Galatians 1:8 is under the curse of God.

    June 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Jonah

      That passage refers to the Catholics and protestants because they have perverted the gospel of Jesus Christ and teach in its place the philosophies of men! They are the wolves in sheeps clothing spoken of by Paul in Acts 20: 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
      30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (New Testament, Acts, Chapter 20)

      God knew you would all apostacize and he prdophesied it!

      June 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Wow Jonah-the-mormon-bully (that isn't terribly clever) WHO KNEW that god could prophesize? LOL! Seriously? You don't think before you write do you? Why do you freak out when people challenge your mormon beliefs? Because deep down inside, you don't believe them yourself and you can't stand the extra challenge. Very sad.

      June 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
  2. shep

    Well before Joseph Smith invented the Mormon cult, he was in and out of jail for defrauding people out of their money. He travelled around the country with magic stones that he said could locate buried treasure. He took people's money but never found treasure. He was a flat out con artist. Bernie Madoff junior. Joseph Smith is the false prophet the Bible warns us about. Do you really want a diaper wearing Mormon messiah in the White House?? Do a wiki search on the White Horse Prophecy. You won't believe it.

    June 17, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Jonah

      19 ¶There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
      20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
      21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
      22 (New Testament, John, Chapter 10)

      June 17, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Jonah

      Shep, Maybe you can explain to me.  Hebrews 4: 5 and 6, as well as John 15: 16 clearly teaches that a man must be called of God and given authority to preach the gospel and administer in the ordinances.  This authority clearly must come from apostles and prophets as taught in Ephesians chapter 2.  The protestants apostacized from the Catholic church.  So, where does your authority to preach to me come from?

      June 17, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Robert/Tallahassee

      So totally agree, since the Mormon 'religion' (and I use this term loosely here..) was written, so-obviously by men who loved power, wealth amd women, how can ANYONE take this sect seriously?

      June 17, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • joe

      i would say Catholicism is also a cult

      June 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  3. Jonah

    Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God! Usurpers and false prophets are always alone when they have their "visions".  That is why the scriptures call for witnesses because the Lord knew that these things would occur.  Paul said in 2 Corinthians 13, "1 In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."  That is why we have witnesses to Jesus Christ's resurrection.  That is why there were witnesses to all that Joseph Smith said, "Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. "
    Three men saw an angel and the plates were laid before them!!!!  Later, 8 more men saw the plates and handled them.  This is the difference between Joseph Smith and the false teachers of the day.  JOSEPH SMITH HAD WITNESSES!
    That is also why the Father has sent the Holy Ghost to bear witness to us individually, so that we will not be deceived! " 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost."
    5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."
    You can read the witnesses accounts on the introduction page of the Book of Mormon. You can get a free Book of Mormon at mormon.org.

    June 17, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • SDCinNS

      And 2 of the 3 witnesses were later excommunicated from the Mormon church because they recanted before their death – and admitted the entire thing was made up. (David Whitmer and Oliver Cowdery).

      http://www.bible.ca/mor-witness-book.htm

      June 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Jonah

      That is not true. Even though alienated from the church and the saints, all men emphatically stuck to their testimonies! You can get any more sincere than that. Really, people, can't you come up with anything better than blatant lies? Is your position that weak?

      June 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  4. Seyedibar

    I thought it was appalling the amount of weird hogwash normal christians believe in... and then i read the book of mormon. It's a completely new level of self-delusion and bigotry.

    June 17, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Jonah

      You didn't read the Book of Mormon!

      June 17, 2012 at 11:30 am |
  5. shep

    Beware false prophets. This book and its followers are exactly who we should beware of.

    June 17, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Jonah

      A false prophet is Harold Camp, an evangelical!

      June 17, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Jonah

      Harold Camping, the Northern California preacher whose radio ministry spent millions of dollars last year predicting a fiery apocalypse that failed to materialize has apologized to his followers in an open letter, saying “we humbly acknowledge we were wrong” and “we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world.”

      June 17, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  6. Abinadi

    God bless everyone!

    June 17, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  7. believer

    jonah; Where in the bible do you find the practice of "baptism of the dead"? Where is scripture supporting that the new jerusalem will be in the "America's"?

    June 17, 2012 at 6:02 am |
    • Lawrence Moore

      Where does it say that God will stop speaking to living beings on this planet.... 20 centuries past Jesus being resurrected and God never says anything, right, sure.... and I am not a Mormon... lets just say I am with God..... how about the voice of the seventh angel? will anybody hear that?.... no of course time stopped and God was defeated.... sounds kind of Roman Empire-ish or Sanhedrin-ish .... got Nero or Herod on your mind and thinking it is Jesus...... religions quacks, they don't even understand what is left of the Christian manuscripts... of course Nero and Herod as well as subsequent political leaders destroyed the majority of the Christian manuscripts during the era of the Martyrs..,.. Don't get left behind.... see YAH.....

      June 17, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • Jonah

      Good Morning Everyone! Ready as I am for a glorious Sabath? Read 1 Corinthians chapter 15: "29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? (New Testament, 1 Corinthians, Chapter 15). It is just a mention, but we need to understand that the temple then was like LDS temples today. The work in them was sacred and people did not discuss that sacred work outside. Paul used that verse to support his argument about the resurrection.

      June 17, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Jonah

      1 And now I, Moroni, proceed to finish my record concerning the destruction of the people of whom I have been writing.
      2 For behold, they rejected all the words of Ether; for he truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man; and that after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof;
      3 And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.
      4 Behold, Ether saw the days of Christ, and he spake concerning a New Jerusalem upon this land.
      5 And he spake also concerning the house of Israel, and the Jerusalem from whence Lehi should come—after it should be destroyed it should be built up again, a holy city unto the Lord; wherefore, it could not be a new Jerusalem for it had been in a time of old; but it should be built up again, and become a holy city of the Lord; and it should be built unto the house of Israel—
      6 And that a New Jerusalem should be built up upon this land, unto the remnant of the seed of Joseph, for which things there has been a type. (Book of Mormon, Ether, Chapter 13)

      June 17, 2012 at 10:21 am |
  8. Everett Wallace

    FBI recover book of mormons right. so how did the mormons look.

    June 17, 2012 at 3:06 am |
  9. Darrell Rutz

    ` Do you want to know about my Jesus? Read John 14 ! Jesus tells you exactly who he is and why he died for all our sins! I know Jesus because in Viet-Nam I was caught in between explosives thrown in front of me ,and one right behind me! I said O GOD save me in my mind! The PEACE THAT PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING came over me, and I wasn't worried about nothing! I am 100% disabled, and the daddy of 5 children, and 6 grandchildren! God has a reason for you being here enjoy it because life is one day at a time! Happy Fathers DAY GOD!!!

    June 17, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Everett Wallace

      jesus of the holy bible is actually Moses the Man of GOD. The crucifix is a lie, the Heavenly FATHER would not let HIS first born be killed by men.

      June 17, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • Seyedibar

      ... except that part where he never actually existed.

      June 17, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  10. Reality

    Getting down to the nitty-gritty as to why the Book of Mormon in any edition and other Books supposedly inspired by god are worthless:

    Part II:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    prob•a•bly

    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    June 16, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • Everett Wallace

      who let the preacher in. keep the preachers out, they are short winded and talk about nothing.

      June 17, 2012 at 3:10 am |
    • Reality

      For those who are "reading challenged" (from a PowerPoint slide)–

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:

      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:

      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      June 17, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • Abinadi

      Ah my good unreality. Why so glum? It is a beautiful day – the sun is shining, the birds are singing, God is in his heaven and smiling on you and me! Life is beautiful and rewarding! Do your self a favor and go to church today and be happy! 🙂

      June 17, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Reality

      Golf and gardening keep me happy. God, who is that??

      June 17, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  11. Dorkus

    The first thing Romney is going to do come January is co0nfiscate all your Bibles and replace them with this, your new Bible, the Book of "Morans".

    June 16, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Duddly

      Lol....good one but true. I realize you maybe meant to say, book of morons, but that's ok I get it and it is still funny!

      June 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Lameness Spotter

      Dorkus and Duddly,

      Wow, I kicked the slats out of my crib when I first heard that lame insult... and that was over a half-century ago.

      I'll bet you are some other brand of Christian, right?

      Let us know your flavor of Christianity so that we all can dig up some hackneyed slams about it.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  12. SuSu

    Peteyroo, having died for 15 minutes during childbirth I can attest to you that there is indeed an afterlife.

    June 16, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • joe

      its funny how our frail minds percieve a lack of oxygenated blood. tunnel vision, bright lights, booming voices, perceptual inconsistancies. its saddening to hear people disregard any logical explaination for flights of fancy.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Answer

      Why not try dying again and see if you can repeat your results and get the verification?

      Ohh I see.. you're too stupid to do that because you can just lie to yourself to make yourself feel better about really dying for real.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • abb

      SuSu – hate to break it to you, but the whole near-death experience has been solidly proven, as Joe states. Air Force pilots go through the "centerfuge" experience, report near-death experiences as the lose consciousness. And I, too, had a NDE. I fully realize what it truly was. Religion can only exist as a means to explain something not understood by science. The earth being the center of the solar system, the flat earth, etc. With billions of galaxies, each containing billions of suns and planets, how can we be so egocentric to think there is a boogeyman in the sky who cares about us versus any of the rest. Zeus resided in the sky. Hades resided in the underworld. Hercules was sent by Zeus to earth. Sound familiar? And this "religion" existed long before christianity. Do the research, there are a bunch of religions that later religions were built on.

      June 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  13. Michael S

    The Arizona "Bookseller" is just another profit driven parasite. Unless a book is already incomplete or very badly damaged, or someone is trying to sell something they do not hold legally, ripping out pages to sell one at a time is an abomination in its own right.

    June 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • shep

      the book itself is an abomination

      June 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      As are your beliefs, Shep. All religion is nonsense, not just Mormon beliefs.

      June 16, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  14. shep

    does the average American realize that Mormons believe they are descendents of space travellers from the planet Kolob?? Seriously? Do some research about Mormons. then warn all your friends.

    June 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Larry

      How is that worse than descending from monkeys? WAIT...maybe Kolobians ARE monkeys!!

      June 16, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Fed Up

      If the presidential race did not include Romney this would not be on CNNs site.

      June 16, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • JWM

      I thought that was what Scientologists believed, not Mormons.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • paulistano

      Shep, if you had done your own research, you would know that Mormons would believe Kolob is a star near where God lives, not a planet. Furthermore, if you had done your research, you would have discovered that Mormons do not believe they are descendants of space travelers, but children of God.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • peter

      I'm not going to get into a debate if cnn articles are fair to the mormons or not. I will say this, i wouldn't be here if romney didn't get the nom. i voted for santorum and they trashed and lied about him–romney/mormon machine.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • bitsinmotion

      Does the average American realize that Christians believe they'll go to heaven if they eat zombie flesh and drink zombie blood?

      June 16, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Duddly

      Some time ago, somebody gave me one of those books in trying to cram there religion down my throat, when I finaly got the nerve to open it I could barely read two or three pages. After reading these goofy pages I soon realized that I had to stop reading it, this stuff is weird ramblings at best, it was definately more than my good sense could bare!

      June 16, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  15. Jack

    thestarofkaduri.com

    For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,

    that whoever believes in him shall not – *perish – but have eternal life.

    The Bible ... John 3: 16

    June 16, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Did you really need to do this twice?

      June 16, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      If life is eternal, where were you before you were born?

      June 16, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      The creator is without beginning or end, the created has a beginning but no end.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • gager

      All life ends and you go to oblivion. Enjoy the life you have.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      results in those thinking this life is all there is.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • gager

      This life is all there is. Enjoy while you can. Being a good person is its own reward. There is no afterlife.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      @gager
      you ain't good

      June 16, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • gager

      @stupid, then you have no concept of good. I make no demands on any other persons possessions or life. That makes me good. Your stupid concept of god makes demands on all life. He is bad.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Michael S

      BUT, GOD also said that HE wanted no other Gods to come before HIM. YET more and more often "Christians" put Jesus in God's place and leave God to his own devices. Now, since the Holy Trinity adds the Holy Spirit to the mix, there is no longer just one God but Three. So, who then, will be roasted at the higher temperature – the non believer or the Heretic? I am betting that there are plenty of pseudo Christians around to be rendered into toast and that thus non believers have nothing to worry about.

      June 16, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Prayer changes things

      The creator is without beginning or end, the created has a beginning but no end.

      So you're saying I'm stuck for eternity with the likes of you?

      June 16, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Listen to Gager!

      June 16, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      @peteyroo
      We will be separated at judgement day. You will have other concerns forever than where I am.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      @gager
      gager ain't good, not even close.

      June 16, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • joe

      and after jesus rose from the dead, and floated away to be with the father... he totes stopped by america to write some stuff on gold plates, that literally only 1 person has ever seen! (sings) dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, duuuummmmb.

      i wonder if romney wears his magic underoos...

      June 16, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • bitsinmotion

      "Once upon a time there were three bears..."

      - Mother Goose

      June 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • irene

      Agreed Peteroo... That's the best argument for pro-choice. If the soul is eternal, it has no beginning and no end and abortion does not end a life after all!!

      June 17, 2012 at 6:07 am |
  16. Jack

    thestarofkaduri.com

    For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,

    that whoever believes in him shall not – *perish – but have eternal life.

    The Bible – John 3: 16

    June 16, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Absolute rubbish!

      June 16, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      brings out peteyroo

      June 16, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Jack & Stupid, it is not your fault that you have so little intelligence. Don't blame yourselves. It's an accident of nature and your mothers' heavy drinking.

      June 16, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
  17. JWT

    I do not worship your god – please stop syaing all people.

    June 16, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  18. Religion is Child Abuse

    Good, now burn it.

    June 16, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Along with all religious texts.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      results in book burning

      June 16, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things. ,

    June 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Rudyardk

      Show me the GodFax

      June 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      You sound like a broken record. Prayer changes nothing, and does nothing.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      you are here

      June 16, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Did you pray for me to show up?

      June 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • bitsinmotion

      Yes it does. It changes you into an insufferable, pretentious, gaseous half-wit who can't stop posting the same garbage over and over.

      June 16, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Jesus

      *Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      June 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  20. Cass

    To put the caveat first, I am Lutheran and therefore believe that God not only exists but that He is an active participant in our daily lives. I also believe that when the Bible speaks of "making man in our own image", I take that to mean not in a physical sense but that people were given the emotional attributes of God, love, anger, compassion, etc, as well as the gift of choice. That being said, when I read this type of discussion, I can't help but think that He looks down on us and sighs at hoe He gave us something SO simple and how we have managed, with our use of choice, to make it so complicated, and we have killed so many in the name of religion. I believe that my beliefs are 'correct', however, I realize that I don't have all the answers. I do think that we all worship the same God, whatever we call Him, and that, like the blind men encountering an elephant, we cannot comprehend the totality of Him, and therefore, we worship the pieces of Him we can accept. I don't believe that any one person can fully comprehend God, He is simply too far beyond our ability to understand. I do look forward to finding out after my death who was closest.

    June 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Sorry, Cass, but God does not exist. You will never know anything after death because there is no afterlife.

      June 16, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      makes wrong assumptions and tries to impose them on those that know God

      June 16, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
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