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FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon
The FBI recovered a stolen first-edition of the Book of Mormon.
June 14th, 2012
04:15 PM ET

FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon

By Carol Cratty, CNN

(CNN)–Law enforcement agents have recovered a rare first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon that was reported stolen from a Mesa, Arizona, bookstore in late May.

The FBI announced Thursday the religious book, first published in 1830 in New York, was located two days ago in Herndon, Virginia, and a suspect was arrested.

The Book of Mormon is considered scripture by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, on par with the Bible.

Jay Michael Linford, 48, is awaiting extradition to Arizona, where he faces charges of theft and trafficking in stolen property.

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According to a court affidavit, the owner of the Arizona bookstore - identified only as Witness 1 - reported the theft to the Mesa Police Department on May 28.

The bookstore owner told police she had been in business with Linford, who brokered the sale of pages of the rare book on her behalf.

The woman said their business relationship had ended but Linford knew she kept the first-edition in a locked fireproof box in a file cabinet and had access to it around the time she believes it was stolen. According to the affidavit, Witness 1 said Linford had a key to the box and to the location where the book could be found.

The bookstore owner told police once she realized the book was missing - along with its fireproof box - she contacted Linford and he "denied having the book or having any knowledge of its location."

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The affidavit says the bookstore owner also reached out to people who buy and sell rare books to alert them that the book had been stolen.

A Texas man identified as Witness 2 replied that he recently had bought two pages of a Book of Mormon from Linford for $7,500 and that Linford said the book was owned by a family in North Carolina. The pages were shipped to the Texas man, who later determined they did come from the Arizona woman's first-edition.

The FBI's Art Theft unit and other agents investigated and found the book after locating the suspect staying with an acquaintance in Virginia, the affidavit said.

The FBI would not estimate how much this edition of the Book of Mormon might be worth. The Arizona bookstore owner placed the value at $100,000. However, the Mesa Police Department consulted experts who gave an estimate of $40,000 because pages had been taken out of the book and sold.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Books • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Mormonism

soundoff (2,069 Responses)
  1. steve

    Romney vows to lead this country with a stove pipe hat and a hand full of seer stones. If your ok with that vote for Mitt Romney.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:28 am |
  2. Jsmith

    Thanks for this informative article. Sadly, however,it became a place for those who hate my church to post their comments rather than focus on the fact that a crime was committed and the property was recovered. Thank you, FBI, for doing a good job on this.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • Josh

      I don't think people hate your church. I think they hate your church's beliefs. It is, after all, a cult.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Mormons nor christians are special – I hate all religions equally.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:59 am |
  3. cjb122

    The book of morman is blasphemy

    Rev.22
    [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    [20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Peteyroo

      cjb, I'm so sorry to see you putting your low IQ and lack of imagination to such poor use. It's all you can hope for of course, but I do feel sorry for you. Mother Nature is a tough old hide and cruel as well. She gave us ateists all the brains and you all the hate.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:06 am |
    • Captain Moroni

      Where have you been? Everyone knows that Revelations wasn't the last book in the bible. Research it.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
  4. Jo-Jo the Duck

    So, I think I understand religion now by reading the comments... Mormons believe in ET, Catholics/other Christian faiths believe in a magical alcoholic, and Muslims believe in Ted Bundy. Got it. Thank you all for the clarification.

    June 18, 2012 at 6:59 am |
    • Steve

      Awesome.

      June 18, 2012 at 7:00 am |
  5. SleepNoMore

    If you are a Christian first, and political association second, and you want to know exactly what Mitt Romney (an avowed Mormon) believes, please see "Mitt Romney: Is a Mormon a true Christian or a relative (c)hristian?" at http://wp.me/p1TuYo-2Z, as it gives point-by-point some of the more flagrant belief's he holds. I am no fan of Obama, but which is worse? The wolf, or the wolf in sheep's clothing?

    June 18, 2012 at 6:39 am |
    • Steve

      Christian is such a broad term these days. I take ire against those that would seek to establish any religion as part of our government. The government should remain agnostic so that all may pursue religion as they see fit. Without the government being agnostic, the freedom that you have to pursue your religion is abridged. Take a look at the examples of Anglican Britain that drove the Puritans and Calvinists to a new country. Take a look at the "biblical" society that crucified Christ. We are all imperfect, and if we seek to establish our worldview as the one our government should hold, we would do so at the expense of all other worldviews.

      While I am not an agnostic, I believe the our government should remain agnostic because I personally believe freedom of religion is a good thing. I also believe that a difference of religion is hardly a meaningful point for political discussion. Instead economic views, foreign and domestic views are the determining factors for me.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:59 am |
      • SleepNoMore

        Steve: Christian is NOT a broad term, I believe you are referring to what I cann (c)hristians...those who are "social" (c)hristians, who have the faith of a turtle. A Christian "gives unto Caeser"; however when something political is allowed to over-ride your faith, that is where a real Christian will see through the smoke and make the right decision. (c)hristians take the worldly view that there is no "right" or "wrong"; but that is all depends on where you come from. BTW, that comment specifically said "If you are Christian", and was meant for no one else so as not to offend non-Christians...thanks for your thoughtful comment; however I do disagree...you are right, though...the government of the United States was NOT founded on Christian principles...

        June 18, 2012 at 8:03 am |
      • SleepNoMore

        I apologize for the spelling errors; I promise it was not my doing...:) by the way Steve, you might want to read my post "What does the U.S. government say about Christianity and the founding of the nation?" at http://wp.me/p1TuYo-4w...

        June 18, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Sleep No More, the only requirement for being a Christian is to believe in Christ. Why do you make crap up about special rules?

      June 18, 2012 at 10:09 am |
      • SleepNoMore

        If I assume (which I should not), that you are a Christian, the very statement about "special rules" would show that you may not be aware: You do not become a Christian to transform your life, however you do transform your life because you are a Christian. This means you must WATCH (as the Lord commanded us), and be wise and innocent at the same time. Jesus himself (and all of his disciples) warned that there would be antichrists among us, and movement's that would sneak in unawares...I again will state the obvious: If you are a Christian, and you do not know what Mitt Romney's belief system is, you should read the post. As for believing it or not, that is not my concern. However, I would be remiss if I didn't bring this information to the attention of any Christian I can...may I ask, did you read the post?

        June 18, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • LinSea

      Following your logic, someone should go to an anti-Christian website to find out the precepts of Christianity. Or go to a K la N website for an understanding of J uda ism. Or they should find a book written by someone who got angry with and left a Baptist congregation in order to get an accurate portrayal of Baptist doctrines and practices.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
      • SleepNoMore

        What do you mean anti? The post is quotes from the Mormon's themselves; nothing is made up...I welcome anyone who wishes to learn the Good New's to read the Bible, and all the works of the early church father's...I am using the source of Mormonism; anyone can use the source of Christianity, and I do not mean organized religion. If by using their (Mormon Church) own literature causes a light to shine on them, I would think it glad by them...

        June 18, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
  6. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    June 18, 2012 at 4:43 am |
    • Zabazoom

      your assertion is baseless and has no facts to back it up.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Are you still praying for personal wealth and naked women? Or is it naked men?

      June 18, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!,

      June 18, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Jeff Williams

      Ignore the religious troll.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes tings ,

    June 18, 2012 at 4:43 am |
    • 1Greensix

      Really?? Pray for something tangible right now. I'll wait...You pray. Your book of silly ideas says in Mark 11:24, John 14:13-4, Matthey 21:22 and 7:7-8, John 15:7, 15:16 and 16:23-24 all say that you can have ANYTHING if you pray for is and use the word Jesus. Did you get that? ANYTHING. Did you get what you want, or will you have to make up some stupid excuse a 10 year old wouldn't believe, to explain why you DID'T get it? You didn't get it because the Bible is part of the biggest hoax ever pulled on mankind. Its "priests" are CON MEN who use the suckers for their own benefit and because you believe them you can't even question their con game, or you can't be a member of whatever religion they are using in the con game, be it Moslem, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Mormanism, or any other one.
      The headline should have read, "Religion is a hoax, and children should be trained to watch out for con games."

      June 18, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Tings as well? Wow, that prayer must be powerful. It saves little kids from dying from cancer. It stops mass murder. It completely halted the Holocaust. Oh, wait, you meant prayer for personal wealth. And don't forget your favorite: prayer for naked women and/or men.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Jesus

      ~Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!,

      June 18, 2012 at 10:37 am |
  8. KEVIN

    WHY would the FBI get involved with a stolen book??? There are many things that are stolen that are worth much more than this book and the FBI never gets involved with other stolen art objects. Someone in political power is directing the FBI to get involved with this case. (Romney and his friends?)

    June 18, 2012 at 1:56 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Wrong, Kevin. The FBI always gets involved in such cases. You should have finished third grade. That's where they explained what the FBI does.

      June 18, 2012 at 2:28 am |
    • Ben

      The F.B.I. takes this type of thing very seriously. Also, not many people are aware but a large percentage of federal law enforcement is LDS (Mormon). I personally know 4 people who fit that group. Also the guy who took it was in a position of trying to sell stolen property to Mormons who are typically well educated and have tremendous respect for the law. It is amazing this guy didn't get caught even sooner.

      June 18, 2012 at 3:48 am |
    • Steve

      Considering a first-edition Book of Mormon is worth approximately $100,000, it's hardly uprising to see the FBI involved.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:26 am |
  9. Gozar the Kolobarian

    Thou shalt hie my buttocks to Kolob where thou can eatest off of golden plates and drinketh of the kooky kolob kool-aid.

    June 18, 2012 at 1:21 am |
  10. Jared

    cnn.com has some of the best trolls that I have ever seen. I don't even read the articles, just the comments

    June 18, 2012 at 12:45 am |
  11. brad1001

    I seem to recall a Biblical verse stating something to the effect of "No man can look upon the face of Yaweh and live".

    June 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • Jonah

      Exodus 33, an apparent contradiction. So, who is right? Who said it? A prophet. Who can inerpret it? A prophet!

      June 18, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • Jonah

      By the way, the same chapter also mentions that God has a face, hands, and a back. Don't you people say he is without body, parts, or passions or something like that?

      June 18, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • Jonah

      One additional thought: Jesus was born in the flesh and walked among men for 33 years. He then died on the cross and was resurrected. How can we say no man has seen God or that he is without body, parts, or passions?

      June 18, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • Jonah

      And when I say a prophet can interpret the bible, I mean ONLY a mormon prophet. NO other religion is right. ALL other religions are an abomination before GOD and only MORMONS have the right to hold the true gospel of Christ! The Bible is only correct according to how our Prophet interprets it!!! That should make all of you non-mormons, humble!

      June 18, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • LinSea

      According to the Bible (King James Version), Moses spoke with God face to face, and in the New Testament, Stephen saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
  12. Abinadi

    Thank you Jonah, I know it's hard to speak out against our beloved church, but sometimes we have to be honest, even though we know we'll be punished for speaking the truth.

    June 17, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
    • Cesar

      Dont be a hypocrite. If you just knew the true heart and happiness of a true latter day saint you would not dare say that. Us faithful members of the church live a happy life because we have been born again of God, and strive to follow Jesus Christ. Those that speak evil and criticize the church should first look in the mirror and judge yourselves before anyone. The church does not "punish" anyone. God will be the one who decides what each of our eternal rewards will be depending on our thoughts and deeds when on the earth.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • Abinadi

      Easy, Cesar, some fool thinks it is funny to steal my name and say bad things.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • xyz

      >> Cesar
      >> Dont be a hypocrite. If you just knew the true heart and happiness of a true latter day saint you would not dare say that.

      now, now Cesar, why are you judging them? who is the hypocrite?

      hypocrite: a person who lives twice as long as we do

      the true heart and happiness of a true latter day saint is that they will murder you and claim they were
      "being humble" and "without pride." and, owing allegiance only to "God", they think they are above human laws (but man-made religion, that is a-ok).

      that is why we say it.

      because we know what you are.

      hurry, judge me, crucify me, tell me I'm lying.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:09 am |
    • Jonah

      Actually you're right Abinadi, I know that you have a lot of confusion and I understand. The Church does that to us. It manipulates us, threatens us and makes us feel afraid to speak our truth.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Janice87

      Cesar, do you really believe that you are better than other people because you are a mormon? See, that's a mental illness and also the sign of a cult. We live in 2012 and you need to get a grip on reality. People aren't open to becoming gods when they die. People don't want to do blood oath rituals in the mormon temples and people don't want to follow a pedophile (look up Joseph Smith and the 14 year old he forced to marry him).

      June 18, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  13. Jonah

    I have to admit...even though I'm LDS, I am deeply troubled by the words of one of our dearest Prophets and Seers:

    Brigham Young said your own blood must atone for some sins.

    "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).

    Brigham Young said you must confess Joseph Smith as a prophet of God in order to be saved.

    "...and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 312).

    Brigham Young said his discourses are as good as Scripture.

    "I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95).

    Brigham Young said he had never given any counsel that was wrong.

    "I am here to answer. I shall be on hand to answer when I am called upon, for all the counsel and for all the instruction that I have given to this people. If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161).

    Brigham Young compared his sermons with scripture.

    "I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom...I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 95).

    Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.

    "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).

    Brigham Young said you can't get to the highest heaven without Joseph Smith's consent.

    "...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

    Brigham Young boasted.

    "What man or woman on earth, what spirit in the spirit-world can say truthfully that I ever gave a wrong word of counsel, or a word of advice that could not be sanctioned by the heavens? The success which has attended me in my presidency is owing to the blessings and mercy of the Almighty . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 12, p. 127).

    Brigham Young said Jesus' birth was as natural as ours.

    "The birth of the Savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood–was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).

    Brigham Young said that God the Father and Mary 'do it.'

    "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218). "The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115). Note: the late Bruce McConkie who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated "There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events..." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).

    Brigham Young said that Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Spirit.

    "I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

    Brigham Young taught that Adam was God.

    "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken - He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50).

    Brigham Young made a false prophecy?

    "In the days of Joseph [Smith] it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 40).

    Brigham Young comments about blacks

    "You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).

    "In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 172).

    "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).

    Now if that last portion didn't strike you as unbelievably horrible, than imagine this....Mormons are taught to believe every word of their prophets as though they were the words of God: Unquestionable. And these are quotes from just one of their prophets.
    Now imagine the President of the USA being Mormon.....

    June 17, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      A little long-winded perhaps?

      June 18, 2012 at 2:30 am |
    • Cesar

      I seriously doubt you are a latter day saint. I can smell anti mormons easily.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:32 am |
    • xyz

      > Peteyroo

      > A little long-winded perhaps?

      Ah, someone who cares about truth (sarcasm)!

      Thank you Jonah, you will help a few, and give them flickers of hope, but the majority "don't care" -

      they know that breaking from the flock puts a target on their head
      they know that truth does not stand a chance,
      they know that integrity means nothing compared to $$$
      they do not care about truth, just self-interest, self-interest, and self-interest.

      you still do a world of good, more than you will ever know, but watch your back;
      they WILL be coming for you. mark my words.

      they know darn well that there is no God, and they know darn well that force is what decides
      what is true and what is not, they know darn well that $$$ and who "owns" land gets to decide
      what is "right" and what is "wrong" and trust me, if they are willing to lie about 200 year old books,
      they will lie about anything and everything else to maintain the illusion of "power"

      they will lie for 5000 years if it takes it, they have no morals whatsoever, and don't care about
      anyone but themselves.

      god bless you.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:38 am |
    • Janice87

      cesar...you can "smell" anti-mormon? That's a sign of schizophrenia you know...

      June 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • LinSea

      If you are LDS, how is that you don't realize that not everything the prophet says is scripture or church doctrine? Sometimes, they are just giving their opinions. Apparently you were not paying attention in general conference last month when one of the speakers talked about this very subject. I also find it very interesting that your post is a precise cut-and-paste which I have seen anti-mormon posters cite here dozens of times.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
  14. Shank

    Science explains everything any bible tries to. Remove heads from anuses.

    June 17, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Jonah

      That was very intelligent Shank. So, are you a great scientist?

      June 17, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Steve

      Science fails to account for the the genesis of matter. What started the big-bang? Where did all of this matter come from? If you take out the assumption of some intelligent design(God, FSM, or whatever) then the chances of random occurrences leading to the biodiversity and complexity of our planet has the equivalent chance of occurring as you do of winning the lottery over a million times, consecutively. Objectively, we know very little of our origins. You can't prove a negative. So, ironically, you can't prove atheism anymore than you can disprove intelligent design.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:36 am |
    • Jeff Williams

      """ironically, you can't prove atheism anymore than you can disprove intelligent design."""

      The irony is that you think this makes any sense.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
  15. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    June 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • A in Pa

      That's not true - I must confront that lie, growing up being taught lies and biblical stories portrayed as actual historical fact, that will really mess a person up. Prosperity Gospel, natural human desires painted as sin, guilt, fear, emotional manipulation, really..... you call that healthy??????

      June 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Still praying for personal wealth and naked women?

      June 18, 2012 at 2:31 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven

      June 18, 2012 at 4:42 am |
    • just sayin

      @AinPA
      None of which you mention is prayer. Prayer is talking with God, a life changing experience. God bless

      June 18, 2012 at 4:46 am |
    • Jesus

      ~Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!

      June 18, 2012 at 10:39 am |
  16. Jack

    Happy "Father" Day ...Everyone is welcome to visit thestarofkaduri.com

    June 17, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Truth

      ****WARNING VIRUS ALERT*****

      Do Not visit that website.

      June 17, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  17. Jonah

    As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become. We are eternal beings who lived before we were born in an heavenly family. Marriage performed by priesthood authority is eternal as are families. Little children who die before the age of eight are innocent and go directly to the Kingdom of God!  Think about it! Are you REALLY satisfied with your minister's or priest's explanations to your questions? Mormon.org

    June 17, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Truth

      How do you explain the 3,913 changes to the book of Mormon?

      If the stories of how it was translated from "reformed Egyptian" are true there would be no need to change it. You know the story of Joesph Smith sicking his head in a hat and seeing the translation appear.

      June 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Jonah

      Joseph Smith was a farm boy and Oliver Cowdery was a school teacher, but in that day it just meant that he had graduated from elementary school. They made a few gramatical errors which to me proves that they could not have written that great book. I think you are just blowing hot air!

      June 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • pastmorm

      So you're saying that the very God that created the heavens and the earth was once a mortal man...and you think Americans are going to be good with that? You're also saying we can all become Gods...and you don't think that sounds like megalomania...or any other number of mental illnesses?????

      June 17, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • pastmorm

      How is it that Moses could not look directly at God without being "destroyed" by Gods greatness, but Joseph Smith is just hanging out with God, Jesus, an angel (without wings by the way...mormons don't think angels have wings...they just float...lol) and his hair didn't even turn white???

      June 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Jonah

      6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. (Old Testament, Exodus, Chapter 3). It did not say that Moses could not look upon God. It said that he was "afraid" to look on God. The scripture implies that he was able.

      June 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Jonah

      Interesting what you said about Joseph Smith "hanging out" with God. As you read Exodus 19, it certainly does sound like Moses hung out with the Lord. In verse 11 the Lord says that he is prepared to "come down in the sight of all the people". The Lord is willing to show himself to anyone who will prepare himself sufficiently – not just Joseph Smith and Moses. Job declared that he would see God in his flesh.

      June 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Jonah, what utter nonsense!

      June 18, 2012 at 10:27 am |
  18. Bridson's Bridge Hollow Farm Miniature Horses

    If webperez had decided to read the Book of Mormon he would know that Joseph Smith did NOT create the church, God did.
    Joseph as a mortal was chosen by Heavenly Father to re-establish his church here on earth.

    June 17, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • mistamista

      Actually, MAN created the orifice/body/container of the "church". "God" created fear, hate, injustice, war and hugs.

      June 17, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • peter

      The important thing for you to know is that the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is not the word of God nor are you a christian.

      June 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Jonah

      Nor is Peter talking about anything that he knows anything about.

      June 17, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • pastmorm

      Jonah seems to be yet another mormon bully. To bad the whale won't swallow him...

      June 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Peter, you've got your head up your ass again. Mormons are indeed Christians.

      June 18, 2012 at 2:34 am |
  19. mistamista

    It was said to have been found amongst OTHER Dr. Seuss books. I bet the guy who stole it collects a lot of non-fiction fantasy books.

    June 17, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Paul, Montreal

      I hope the Dr. Suess books are ok.

      June 17, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  20. webperez

    Xtianity, Islam,Mormonism, Judaism...all the same. Created by Man because they lacked knowledge and needed something to explain the harness and the beauty of life. It scares me to see grown people talk about prophets and disciples like they are as true. It's like kids talking about Barney or Santa. No wonder this world is falling apart. You can be a great person without believing in spirits and gobblins from 2000-4000 years ago. Wake up people.

    June 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Atheism is a religion.Dont deny it

      you make a religion of your own-under the blanket and label of "science".

      June 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • steve

      webperez,

      Your need to place an "X" instead of Christ while spelling out every other listed religion is ample evidence what spirit is working in you. If I were you, I would strongly consider praying about it.

      "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God: he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God hears not us. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."

      1 John 4:1-6

      June 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • icythepenguin

      if "science" is a religion, then shouldn't laboratories receive tax-exempt status? isn't that the mark of a religion? otherwise you could call any set of strongly held beliefs a religion. the religion of liberalism or conservatism in Congress. though what does make "science" different is that it provides proof from many sources for most of its claims and allows for dissent, whereas religion points to a single book for its claims and demands obedience.

      June 17, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • steve

      icythepenguin,

      You hit the nail on the head, icythepenguin. ***MOST*** of their claims are based upon proof. Then, they can turn around whenever it fits their own personal agendas and get taxpayer support to promote evolution as SCIENTIFIC FACT to our all-believing children. I don't think you want to continue this discussion down the road you just turned down...

      Steve

      June 17, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Steve, the X that seems to offend you was the sign of the church in early Christianity. The Greek letter X is pronounced like the English CH. You've seen it in such words as Christ and Christian.

      June 18, 2012 at 2:45 am |
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