FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon
The FBI recovered a stolen first-edition of the Book of Mormon.
June 14th, 2012
04:15 PM ET

FBI recovers rare first-edition of the Book of Mormon

By Carol Cratty, CNN

(CNN)–Law enforcement agents have recovered a rare first-edition copy of the Book of Mormon that was reported stolen from a Mesa, Arizona, bookstore in late May.

The FBI announced Thursday the religious book, first published in 1830 in New York, was located two days ago in Herndon, Virginia, and a suspect was arrested.

The Book of Mormon is considered scripture by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, on par with the Bible.

Jay Michael Linford, 48, is awaiting extradition to Arizona, where he faces charges of theft and trafficking in stolen property.

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According to a court affidavit, the owner of the Arizona bookstore - identified only as Witness 1 - reported the theft to the Mesa Police Department on May 28.

The bookstore owner told police she had been in business with Linford, who brokered the sale of pages of the rare book on her behalf.

The woman said their business relationship had ended but Linford knew she kept the first-edition in a locked fireproof box in a file cabinet and had access to it around the time she believes it was stolen. According to the affidavit, Witness 1 said Linford had a key to the box and to the location where the book could be found.

The bookstore owner told police once she realized the book was missing - along with its fireproof box - she contacted Linford and he "denied having the book or having any knowledge of its location."

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The affidavit says the bookstore owner also reached out to people who buy and sell rare books to alert them that the book had been stolen.

A Texas man identified as Witness 2 replied that he recently had bought two pages of a Book of Mormon from Linford for $7,500 and that Linford said the book was owned by a family in North Carolina. The pages were shipped to the Texas man, who later determined they did come from the Arizona woman's first-edition.

The FBI's Art Theft unit and other agents investigated and found the book after locating the suspect staying with an acquaintance in Virginia, the affidavit said.

The FBI would not estimate how much this edition of the Book of Mormon might be worth. The Arizona bookstore owner placed the value at $100,000. However, the Mesa Police Department consulted experts who gave an estimate of $40,000 because pages had been taken out of the book and sold.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Books • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Mormonism

soundoff (2,069 Responses)
  1. HeavenSent

    Mormons are no different than non-believers and will suffer the same fate. Open your ears and HEAR God.


    June 18, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Heaving Scent, you are so full of crap you stink.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Captain Moroni

      We do hear God. We have a true Prophet and twelve apostles within the church. This is the same structure that Christ setup when he was on the earth. If you do not have this authority in your church, ask yourself why? If Christ had it and the bible talks about prophets of old; why should we not have them today? If you believe that Christ is and was perfect, why would man create churches that do not resemble the way Christ setup His church when He was on the earth. The pastors and priests know more than Christ does? Ask your pastor this question if you are not sure.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • .

      Now, that isn't very nice, Heavensent. I doubt very much any one from heaven would say such a mean thing.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Corporal Macaroni, sorry, but I had to demote you. Magic Dad and his Wayward Son are no more real than unicorns, leprechauns, and Santa Claus.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • JWT

      HS just does nto get that people can equally hold different religious views – lots and lots of quite different christian views ever – or no views and it doesn't matter.

      The big question is this: IF he thinks that people that don't think like him are going to hell – the worst place to go would be to spend eternity with people like him – thus everyone is going to heaven in his view.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Reality


      The Apostles' Creed 2012 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      (References used are available upon request.)

      June 18, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • .

      HWT, Captain Moroni is merely responding in kind to the meanness, the insults and the crudity that people throw at his religion. If you don't like the way he talks, you should stop doing it yourself.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • .

      Hi, unreality, do you play golf in la la land? Did you go to church yesterday like I told you to?

      June 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Captain Moroni

      PeteyRoo, I understand. People go through different trials; many of which I haven't experienced. Maybe, later in your life that door might open again and what ever caused you to change course might be resolved. Do me a favor, be kinder in your words that oppose your viewpoint – I know you haven't in you. You seem like a good person. Take care and good luck.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  2. Captain Moroni

    Obama and his followers (most people on this post and CNN) want the Christian community to be at war with one another. It was their plan from the beginning to split up the vote or to "stay home" on election day. Everyone knows that religion is a personal belief of faith and hope in God and should be respected among faiths. The important thing to remember is we should be good to one another. Don't fall for their enticing; prior Presidents have been of various faiths.

    June 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Corporal Macaroni, how do know that most of the folks posting on CNN are Obama follwers. You haven't a clue my feeble-minded friend.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Captain Moroni

      Why do you resort to name calling? Why do you try and bully people on this post? Why is it that you have much hatred for other peoples opinion? Do you like what you see in the mirror? Do you consider yourself a "good" person in general?

      June 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  3. Jon

    Let me get this straight. The owner of the bookstore sells "pages" of this rare book? I'm not a Mormon, but I think selling "pages" of a religious book is abominable. What if people sold "pages" of the Bible? It's desecration of a religious text, whether that is your religion or not. It is wrong and insensitive to the adherents of religions.

    June 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Calina

      Books are pieces of paper put together by men. There is no blasphemy or abomination in destroying any type of book. People that put god into a book are just silly and uneducated. On top of that, they get angry, hateful and vengeful...something I think their Jesus taught about. It should hurt to be a hypocrite.
      Throw em to the lions! LOL!

      June 18, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • JWT

      Sometimes an old bible makes good fire starter.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Joshua the Agnostic

      Careful, burning books is one step away from burning people.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • JWT

      Nah when you need some paper to start a fire one book is as good as another,

      June 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Joshua the Agnostic

      I'm just of the persuasion that burning Bible's isn't the answer, reading it is. If Christians actually read the Old Testament there would be a LOT less Christians.

      June 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  4. kls817

    I'm glad it was found; this story is about three weeks old in the local news. I hope the owner puts it in a safer place next time.

    June 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  5. Reality

    (from a PowerPoint slide)–

    SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS: (Mormons included)





    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    Added details upon request.

    June 18, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • RP

      And you can speak with "almost certainty" because..................?

      June 18, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

      The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,


      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Reality

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."


      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  6. boocat

    To quote the late great George Carlin – "It's all bull**** and it's bad for ya."

    June 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Steve

      I often wonder if people of your ilk ever question their own hypocricy. But, not for very long LOL!

      June 18, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • JWT

      Carlin had some great lines – he is missed.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
  7. JLAC

    I would love for someone to explain to me why people who don't believe in God, constantly use CNN message boards to beat up Christians and their beliefs. You can read a story which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Religion, and scroll down to the comments and see athiests bashing Christianity. It is so annoying. Good grief, find somewhere else to recruit your army of sinners. And if you need to have a conversation with other athiests, just be patient. You'll all have lots of time to discuss it in H3LL.

    June 18, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • boocat

      Who died and made you god?

      June 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • A in Pa

      Because "Christians" are constantly working to take away the rights of others who do not affiliate themselves with a religion. Religious organizations work to out law birth control, b/c God doesn't want it, no abortion, b/c God doesn't want it, no gay marriage, no women’s rights because God doesn't not approve of Gays or women’s rights. "Christians, and their organizations (religions) work constantly to enslave others" and force compliance, based on the idea that their way is the only RIGHT WAY b/c and their GOD and their SCRIPTURE gives them the right to do so, they feel justified and self righteous as they deny others the freedom to follow God as they see fit and to follow the dictates of their own conscience.

      Remembers "Christians" owned slaves and even used the bible to justify the practice.

      I remember the things the Church I formerly belonged to actually preached and taught from the pulpit. So don’t give me that persecution complex and play dumb and innocent, you guys are at war with anyone who won’t join you.

      Religions are vicious organizations. And when they trot out books written by men and expect me to believe it is the work of God, I take offense, especially since the books have been re-written so many times. The Bible and the Book of Mormon!

      There, you asked for it.

      June 18, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • thorcmx

      Army of sinners, and hell... that's so cute.

      June 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • A in Pa

      "Good grief, find somewhere else to recruit your army of sinners. And if you need to have a conversation with other atheists, just be patient. You'll all have lots of time to discuss it in H3LL."

      Right their, you just called me a sinner b/c I don’t share your beliefs, and condemned me to hell and told me I belong to an army of sinners. You just proved my point with your own self righteous judgment and opinion that I’m a condemned sinner b/c I don’t subscribe to your religion.

      Why shouldn’t I be offended, you just told me that you’re right and I’m wrong and going to hell.

      – Who made you God?

      June 18, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • old golfer

      jlac, there isn't any hell. Just a bit of the religion game to instill fear into people. Besides, what's to burn, a corpse or ashes? There are also a group of us out here called Deist's. We believe in God and no more. Works for me. As to the army of sinners, your own book states that all are sinners. So, using your logic, all will burn in your mythical hell.

      June 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • kls817

      that's why you need to ignore them. they are just losers who are trying to get your goat.

      June 18, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • pastmorm

      jlac...mormons are not christians, so what difference does it make what we say about them? And in turn, if you don't like the freedom of speech that we all have, to say what we want to about christians, then you can move to the Middle East and join the Taliban where they forbid anyone to speak against their beliefs...much like you are doing with your post....

      June 18, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Steve

      It is the Anti-Christ spirit within them. The Holy Spirit within me grieves whenever I hear (or read) this vial hatred spewing forth.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • ME II

      Perhaps when believers stop trying to impose their religion into places that has "absolutely NOTHING to do with Religion," like science classrooms and Justices of the Peace offices, then nonbelievers can be a little less vigilant about protecting their rights.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Joshua the Agnostic

      Answer me this JLAC, why do you serve a God with such a bad temper that he kills hundreds of thousands of people at a time (numbers, jeremiah). If he is so great then why does he need an Army of "angels". If he is so loving then why did 1/3 of his angels revolt against him.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • JWT

      Probably because of the hatred spewed by people like you JLAC>

      June 18, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • Peteyroo


      Let me explain. You need atheists to straighten you out. No offense, but you and your minions are so full of crap that we good and decent atheists need to get in there with a shovel to unclog your brains. Mother Nature gave us the brains while cheating you out of any resemblance to intelligent thought. Plus, you have no imagination. My recruiter for the army of sinners told me the job would be tough and the folks we'd be helping would be unappreciative. He was right. After all atheists have done for you, I can't fathom your complete lack of thankfulness. Without us your jibberjabber would be worse than it is now. We atheists have selflessly endeavored to correct your foolish thinking without reward. We don't want any formal recognition for our work. A little less criticism would be nice. Have a nice day, and don't forget to look to us in your time of need.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  8. Peteyroo

    You see, I was able to confess, by deferring the things I've done. Pushing old ladies, drinking, even my issues with children. It helps to be able to do this on there. Thank you everyone for your patience!

    June 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  9. yahmez

    The FBI have not recovered an even rarer religious tome... One that contains nothing but truth.

    June 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  10. Repaired

    Hello Shep... I sit across the street from you. You just left here with a battery. Stay off of CNN these people are as stupid as a President.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Janice87

      repaired....you sound a little crazy you know. If you don't like or respect President Obama, then go back to Fox. LOL!

      June 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Peteyroo

      I see you still have your head up your backside. I had a long talk with your mom. She's pretty disappointed in you. She thinks you're a total failure. Sorry, she's right.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Janice, I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to that moron Repaired.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      See, I keep attacking people because I'm such a little person and it makes me feel better to make other people feel smaller than I am...and that's hard to do because I'm pretty pathetic!

      June 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      And See, I keep attacking people because I'm such a little person and it makes me feel better to make other people feel smaller than I am...and that's hard to do because I'm pretty pathetic!

      June 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  11. Josh

    Shep is right, do a google search on Mark Hoffman...you'll find out some VERY interesting things about mormonism and how easily they are swayed. Mormons have a psychological defect causing them to believe that anything that could come from one of their prophets is the absolute truth.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Josh, don't you realize that you all have a mental defect? Why single out Mormons when you are just as guilty. It's all nonsense–Mormons as well as mainstream Christians. Magic Dad and Wayward Son don't exist in any form. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Then again, I realize that I have a mental defect as well. I can't make up my mind...I don't know if I'm a mormon, an atheist or a Muslim. I get on this page because I have a mental illness called Borderline Personality Disorder. My therapist told me it would be good to interact in a "healthy" way with people on chat boards, but I find that I have the deepest NEED to attack people to make myself feel better. For that I apologize. For any future things I say, I apologize. I know I'm REALLY messed up.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • .

      If you really want to know about Mormonism, just go to mormon.org. There are kind people there who will answer your questions one on one. It will make you feel better and have a better day. It will make you a better, more loving person.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Someone is stealing my name again. He or she must be ashamed of his or her own name. It's understandable. A lifetime of pushing old ladies in front of buses and burning down orphanages will make a person ashamed. C'mon, fess up. Who are you really? And why do you drink so much when you know your mother hates it? Exposing yourself to little children isn't praiseworthy either. Did you learn that from your father?

      June 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      With my Borderline Personality Disorder, I am a splitter so I like to act like I'm two different people on here because it helps me work out my issues, just like my therapist recommended. Especially since I can hide behind a fake name while I put people down.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  12. kindness

    I (for me) Follow Christ . I never wanted proof. I just had faith.

    HE WHO follows Me, walks not in darkness,” says the Lord (John 8:12). By these words
    of Christ we are advised to imitate His life and habits, if we wish to be truly enlightened and
    free from all blindness of heart. Let our chief effort, therefore, be to study the life of Jesus
    The teaching of Christ is more excellent than all the advice of the saints, and he who
    has His spirit will find in it a hidden manna. Now, there are many who hear the Gospel often
    but care little for it because they have not the spirit of Christ. Yet whoever wishes to understand
    fully the words of Christ must try to pattern his whole life on that of Christ.

    What good does it do to speak learnedly about the Trinity if, lacking humility, you
    displease the Trinity? Indeed it is not learning that makes a man holy and just, but a virtuous
    life makes him pleasing to God. I would rather feel contrition than know how to define it.
    For what would it profit us to know the whole Bible by heart and the principles of all the
    philosophers if we live without grace and the love of God? Vanity of vanities and all is vanity,
    except to love God and serve Him alone.

    This is the greatest wisdom—to seek the kingdom of heaven through contempt of the
    world. It is vanity, therefore, to seek and trust in riches that perish. It is vanity also to court
    honor and to be puffed up with pride. It is vanity to follow the lusts of the body and to desire
    things for which severe punishment later must come. It is vanity to wish for long life and
    to care little about a well-spent life. It is vanity to be concerned with the present only and
    not to make provision for things to come. It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not
    to look ahead where eternal joy abides.
    Often recall the proverb: “The eye is not satisfied with seeing nor the ear filled with
    hearing.”1 Try, moreover, to turn your heart from the love of things visible and bring
    yourself to things invisible. For they who follow their own evil passions stain their consciences
    and lose the grace of God.

    See for yourself. You will be on a battlefield for christ

    June 18, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Magic Dad, Wayward Son, unicorns, leprechauns, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Tinker Bell, Santa Claus-these are the mythical beings we all believe in–oh, wait–no we don't. It's all nonsense!

      June 18, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Josh

      Kindness...how ironic that you have such a username and then mention being on a battlefield. Have you ever been to war???? Do you think war is kind? Why do you have to be on a battlefield, killing other people for your Jesus???? See, people like you belong in a mental ward.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Bible Clown©

      "You will be on a battlefield for christ" Yawn, snore. Will the other side be riding unicorns and waving flags with your talking snake on them? I bet Buddha will be selling hot dogs on the sidelines. Hey Budd, make me one with everything.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Which God??

      @ kindness.Had a fight with hey-sus. Beat the snot out him, and he said, "jesus christ, you broke my nose.' Was he speaking of your christ? You are truly a pathetic person who needs the crutch of religion and your mythical person to help you function in life. Life is too scary for you, isn't it?

      June 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm |

      Don't bother reading this garbage click the report abuse link to get rid of this TROLL!

      June 18, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Bible Clown©

      "It is vanity also to court honor and to be puffed up with pride. " Right, and you are here, all puffed up, because . . . ?

      June 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  13. Cynthia L.

    Magic underwear. If it helps me fly I'd like to get a matching set – with a leopard print offset with yellow and purple daises. Otherwise, not interested.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • .

      Cynthia, I suspect you are drunk, but in the unlikely event that you are sincere, I will try to explain. The underware you are referring to is not magic, but there is power in keeping the commandments of God. People who keep the commandments do not suffer from being thrown in jail or being shot (don't steal, lie, or kill), have good marriages and families (don't commit adultery or covet or drink alcohol) are more prosperous (take one day a week to rest), and have better health (don't smoke, drink tea, coffee or alcohol). We are taught to be honest and do good to others and make good employees, neighbors, and citizens. In short, we stay out of trouble. The underware you are referring to is a personal temple and reminds us to keep the commandments, because sometimes with all the corruption around us, it is easy to forget. So, what is wrong with that?

      June 18, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Which God??

      Oh Cynthia, I was hoping that you'd go for the more 'exotic' ones. You know the ones with a picturs of jos. smith on the backside. lol. Just teasing.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Josh B

      @. I agree.

      June 18, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • JudgeDB

      "People who keep the commandments do not suffer from being thrown in jail or being shot (don't steal, lie, or kill)"

      The funniest thing about this is that Joseph Smith was SHOT to death while waiting in JAIL to be tried for declaring martial law. Hahahahaha

      June 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  14. dreamer96

    Did they test the Book of Mormon pages for any trace amounts of drugs...

    June 18, 2012 at 11:14 am |
  15. WHEELS

    relgion is fake

    June 18, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  16. Obama Mama

    Why sell pages from a rare book? The page buyer got ripped off. What are on the pages that he only wanted those. A republican that maybe has some goods on Romneys ancestors?

    June 18, 2012 at 11:00 am |
  17. Dr McNinja

    He should have stolen a first edition of THE KING IN YELLOW.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  18. Peteyroo

    Be good for goodness' sake

    Forget Magic Dad and Wayward Son, unicorns, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Tinker Bell, Santa Claus, and other assorted mythological beings. Be good for its own sake.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  19. Carol

    I am the happiest atheist you will ever meet. I tried Mormonism in the mid-seventies, but was it a a bunch of hogwash. Atheism is great for children and everyone. But with atheism comes the need the "teach your children well" because you can't use the satan bogeyman to scare the bejeebies out of them. My children were raised atheist and all are good and kind (and, with the exception of the oldest who is independent) democrats.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Good going, Carol!

      June 18, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Dawkins

      Carol, I am glad you are happy. I understand turning away from religion entirely especially growing up in the Mormon faith. I just want to urge you to see the beauty in life and at least appreciate the notion of something making that beauty. There is a God Carol, you may never come to believe it during your life. But I have the feeling that sooner or later things are going to come in your path that will leave you no choice but to realize this.

      Drop the atheism. Become agnostic. At least that way if there does happen to be a God, you will have an excuse for not believing

      June 18, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • Phil Esteen

      Kudos, Carol, for teaching your children the truth about personal responsibility and morality. Using some fairy tale deity as the source of your moral code and responsibility is the most inane and counter-intuitive idea human beings ever entertained.

      If a human being leads an entire life of integrity, honesty and compassion without resorting to a 'god' OR the expectation of some last minute salvation, then why is such a human – normally cursed as an atheist – less moral than someone who defies their deity their entire life until a last minute reprieve absolves them of the consequences of their actions?

      Thank you, Carol, for putting nonsense in its' proper place.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Jeff Williams

      """Become agnostic. At least that way if there does happen to be a God, you will have an excuse for not believing"""

      Not that easy, Dawkins. You're looking at it from a believer's perspective. We don't think that way.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • LinCA


      You said, "I just want to urge you to see the beauty in life and at least appreciate the notion of something making that beauty."
      From Carol's I get the impression that she did. She shed the delusion and is appreciating life without the burden of religion.

      You said, "There is a God Carol, you may never come to believe it during your life."
      Please provide some evidence for your ludicrous claim. What is it that makes you so sure there is a god?

      You said, "But I have the feeling that sooner or later things are going to come in your path that will leave you no choice but to realize this."
      Only in the afterlife will we know? Is that it? Better hedge your bets now, because it will be too late after you die? So, you are in effect, claiming that your god doesn't require us to believe in him, just as long as we pretend we do.

      Have you really hedged all of your bets? Have you appeased all possible gods? Have you prayed to Allah? To Mithra? To Zeus? Don't wait, it'll be too late after you die.

      You said, "Drop the atheism. Become agnostic."
      Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Most atheists that post here are both.

      You said, "At least that way if there does happen to be a God, you will have an excuse for not believing"
      What's your excuse for believing? There is no rational case to be made for any gods. Yours isn't any more likely to exist as Thor the god of thunder, Ra the sun god or the Tooth Fairy.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Bible Clown©

      "I just want to urge you to see the beauty in life and at least appreciate the notion of something making that beauty."

      Why is it so important to you delusional ninnies to pretend that atheists are incapable of appreciating beauty? You hate us so profoundly that you never miss a chance to say something terrible to us. I guess it's all that hate seething in your breasts that makes you the "religion of love."

      June 18, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Which God??

      @Carol. No but you can scare them by telling them that the jesus freaks will try to convert them, and that they will go to a mythical hell and burn. That will scare the crud out of any sane person. 🙂

      June 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • JWT

      So Dawkins you suggest fake belief. That makes me wonder how many believers are there are fake believers.

      June 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  20. shep

    Want to know why the FBI got involved? Do a wiki search on Mark Hofmann. You won't believe it.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • Jeff Williams

      Interesting. But he's in prison now. How is this related?

      June 18, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Irrelevant

      A lot of atheists on these boards that give atheists a bad name. A lot of their really poor arguments/points/random statements wipe out the impression that atheists are atheists because they're intelligent.

      June 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • LinSea

      @JeffWilliams, About as related as the methodology of Special Agent Dale Cooper to actual law enforcement techniques. You can wiki search Agent Cooper, too.

      June 18, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
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