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Key Catholic group drops support for White House contraception plan
The Obama administration wants to require insurance companies to provide free contraception coverage.
June 18th, 2012
11:24 AM ET

Key Catholic group drops support for White House contraception plan

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) – The Obama administration’s key Catholic ally on its controversial plan to require health insurers to provide free contraceptive coverage is dropping support for the plan, potentially complicating the president’s relations with Catholics in an election year.

The Catholic Health Association, which comprises 2,000 Catholic hospitals, health systems and related organizations, said Friday that although it had initially supported what the White House called a compromise on the contraception issue, it is now “deeply concerned” about the plan and says the White House “has not relieved our initial concerns.”

Many Catholic groups expressed opposition to the Obama administration’s proposal to require employers to provide free contraception coverage to their employees. Although the plan exempted churches, other religiously affiliated employers - including colleges and hospitals - were not exempt.

In the face of that opposition, the Department of Health and Human Services tweaked its original rule in February to require health insurers, not employers, to cover the cost of contraception coverage, reasoning that would prevent Catholics instructions from having to finance such coverage.

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The so-called compromise won support from certain Catholic groups, most significantly the Catholic Health Association, which calls itself the nation’s largest group of nonprofit health care providers.

“The Catholic Health Association is very pleased with the White House announcement that a resolution has been reached that protects the religious liberty and conscience rights of Catholic institutions,” Sister Carol Keehan, president and chief executive officer of the Catholic Health Association, said in a February statement.

But on Friday, the Catholic Health Association sounded a much different line, saying in a letter to the agency that “We remain deeply concerned … with the approach the Administration has taken with respect to contraceptive services, especially abortifacient drugs and sterilization.”

The administration denies that its contraception mandate covers abortifacients - drugs that cause abortions - but some socially conservative groups disagree.

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In its letter, the Catholic Health Association urged the administration to broaden its exemption on the contraceptive mandate to include different kinds of religiously affiliated institutions.

The American Roman Catholic bishops have steadfastly criticized the Health and Human Services rule. The Catholic Health Association’s support for the rule gave the Obama some Catholic political cover in the face of such attacks.

Catholic voters represent one of the largest swing voting blocs in the nation, voting with the winning presidential candidate in every election since the 1970s.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Catholic Church • Health care • Politics

soundoff (1,412 Responses)
  1. Science

    person A : i want to move this 30 ton rock from point A to point B. i will use leverage to do this.
    person B : i want to move this 30 ton rock from point A to point B. i will use prayer to do this.

    guess which one has a higher likelihood of success

    a simple example because life is much more complex than this, but believing prayer works is akin to believing that a dog will grow wings and fly.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:46 am |
  2. Science

    it's 3 am i gave you a stream of consciousness. give me evidence for god and i will shut up. give me evidence that prayer works. give me evidence that one can 'perform miracles'. give me evidence that the world is 5000 years old. you do not have the moral high ground because you believe in a god that i do not.

    June 19, 2012 at 3:41 am |
  3. Maddie

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI&w=640&h=360]
    Please copy and paste the link above.

    June 19, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • Mass Debater

      Another pointless propaganda film that doesn't debate the only real question, when is it considered a baby. The majority of Americans agree with the current rule governing this, a few want to push the time frame back to the moment of conception. That is where it becomes a theological debate as to whether or not a magic 'soul' is imparted the second the sperm breaks in. If we are to be a country that follows it's own constltution and does not establish a religious rule then we should abide by the will of the democratic society as to when an embryo becomes its own human with it's own legal rights.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:27 am |
    • Tom, Tom the Piper's Son

      @ Mass Debater
      Leaving it to the unwashed massed to determine a SCIENCTIFIC question is as.sanine.

      June 19, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Troll, do you REALLY think anyone is fooled by you when you can't spell "asinine" or "scientific"? Thanks for making me laugh.

      June 19, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Delusions 3:15

      Anyone who is so stupid, and uneducated as to say "murder", (a legal term), in reference to LEGAL abortion, cqan go back to 5th Grade Civics. If ANY taking of life is immoral, then start with Camp Pendleton. The military are PAID to do it every day. When you get back from your liitle trip to the Marines, you can tell us what the definition of a "person" is, (and why it odes NOT apply to a corporation... a legal 'person"), and when a human life starts.
      Thank you Jesus.
      Define "conception" :
      a. sperm approaches egg ?
      b . 1st electron of sperm cell enters electron cloud of egg cell ?
      c.. sperm contacts egg wall ?
      d sperm 1/2 way into egg ?
      e. sperm entirely in egg ?
      f. DNA of sperm contacts DNA of egg ?
      g. DNA replication begins ?
      h. DNA replication 0.567534521897 % complete ?
      i 1st DNA replication complete, (poof..soul enters) ?
      j. 2nd DNA completes ?
      k. zygote forms ?
      l. zygote multiplies ?
      m. zygote begins to travel ?
      l. zygote approaches endometrial wall ?
      m. zygote touches endometrial wall ?
      n. zygote implants in endometrial wall ?
      Take your pick.

      June 19, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • Tom, Tom the Piper's Son

      Do you have a rebuttal to my statement or are you just going to make juvenile statements about spelling errors? And why are you using my tag?

      June 19, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why bother addressing a troll who's too dumb to use spell-check, or who needs to?

      June 19, 2012 at 10:51 am |
  4. Science

    A Catholic – take all your friends and make your own country. stop destroying america. today, i saw a store named 'christian science center', which is a contradictory statement. christianity is not science. when i see people 'praying', i laugh because it is like a 4 year old pretending he is a super hero. if you want to believe in your religion, stop using everything science has given you. stop using a computer, a car, your house, a tooth brush, refrigerators, etc.. have you no curiosity? is learning even possible without curiosity? you might as well be a computer, being programmed to 'live' a certain way. you are ignorant of reality. everything changes given enough time. this idea disproves god. infinity disproves god mathematically.

    June 19, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • mickey1313

      Agreed, people who think this nation was founded on christianity need to read t. Jefferson's opinion of christianity, i agree with him 100%

      June 19, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Get Real

      @believer,

      But YOU, oh holy and vaunted @believer, YOU have it all correct, eh? If only everyone believed YOUR way, all would be hunky-dory, right?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • Get Real

      oops, sorry, wrong spot...

      June 19, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • b4bigbang

      @Science: What are you on about? Especially your comment saying that infinity disproves God mathematically.
      Care to post the math equation(s) on that one?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • b4bigbang

      @Science: Btw, re everything changes given enough time – is that an unchanging constant?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:40 am |
    • A Catholic

      Science,

      I don't know what you are talking about. I'm talking here about a Catholic issue. How is that destroying America? Also, I completely reject your premise about Christianity and science being mutually exclusive. There have been and there always will be many Christian scientists and engineers.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • igoryok

      "Also, I completely reject your premise about Christianity and science being mutually exclusive. There have been and there always will be many Christian scientists and engineers."

      And scientists of every other religion, with notable exceptions. Yet the second the tenets of their faith become directly incompatible with the scientific evidence they start picking favorites. Catholicism might have learned from those mistakes early on during the Copernicus days, but Christianity as a whole yet have to abandon the "faith trumps all" practice.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • A Catholic

      I too would like to see the mathematical proof of how infinity disproves God. If you could pull that off, I'd imagine that you'd be rich and famous overnight.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:50 am |
    • A Catholic

      igoryok,

      I can't speak to what other Christians believe. I know that some of the more fundamentalist sects can get a little wacky, but they are a small part of what we know as Christianity.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:54 am |
    • Science

      how high can you count? here is a simple equation. y = x + 1. there are an infinite amount of y's. and – infinity is the only 'constant'. there is no such thing as 'infinity minus one' or 'infinity plus one' . . . set theory will argue some things against this, but the 'smaller' infinities are closed systems. infinity is an open system. what we observe is a part of that open system, and our observations are 'closed' in that we cannot see EVERY possible combination of events (every being infinity – like the counting up endlessly example). faith and science ARE mutually exclusive – i can have faith that plants come from seeds, but until i prove it it is not science. if i plant 12312312213242124 seeds and they all grow into plants, however, i can have faith (still, with a chance of error) that the next seed i plant will result in a plant. see SCIENTIFIC METHOD. i have faith in gravity . . . not in the idea that using a contraceptive will da-mn me to he-ll. quantum mechanics describes reality through probability, which is a nice way of looking at things. but even gravity fails over a long enough time span – (one such example is the 'heat death' of the universe, where all matter/energy achieves equilibrium, and becomes indistinguishable on an individual basis) so does gravity, and everything/anything you can think of. science says question and accept with evidence, and to keep an open mind to more questioning. religion claims dominion over eternity. that some how, the infinite is not infinite, but bound by the rules of some other finite being.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:27 am |
    • Scott

      The comments mainly vent. The point of the article is that a very large voting block is swinging away from Obama. Many in the group may have voted for Obama the 1st time around.

      Keep in mind it's a "secret ballot". Females in the Catholic voting block can, if they choose, vote for contraception without anybody except God knowing. If they choose, in confession Catholic voters can omit selected confidances to their priests.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:32 am |
    • Science

      when a scientist abandons the scientific method and fervently believes his logic is eternal, he is no longer a scientist, but one who observes the world through a rose colored lens. and you can state that i fervently believe the scientific method is eternal – but there is more logic and reasoning behind the scientific method than ' i believe that if you click your heels together you will be transported home because that is what the wizard of oz told me'

      June 19, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Science

      at some level, i , too, have faith. i believe in science because it is rational, and, as a finite being in an infinite reality, it is the best way of understanding things. even language was created through science. trial and error. at some point people had to agree to call a rock a rock.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:38 am |
    • Maddie

      Technology is an advantage for everyone when it is not used in such an evil manner as this! What is the difference between a child in the womb and outside? Well the size, level of dependency, environment, and development. A person is a person no matter how small. Your mother chose to have you live so why shouldn't everone else have that right? Obama is frocing us to do this and we stand with the bishops. God put us all here to die a natural death. Not to die by the invasion of the most protective place which is inside the mother's womb. Praying is something you should do. I will pray for your soul since you are absurdly ignorant on this subject.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:48 am |
    • A Catholic

      You wrote:

      "how high can you count? here is a simple equation. y = x + 1. there are an infinite amount of y's. and – infinity is the only 'constant'. there is no such thing as 'infinity minus one' or 'infinity plus one' . . . set theory will argue some things against this, but the 'smaller' infinities are closed systems. infinity is an open system. what we observe is a part of that open system, and our observations are 'closed' in that we cannot see EVERY possible combination of events (every being infinity – like the counting up endlessly example). faith and science ARE mutually exclusive – i can have faith that plants come from seeds, but until i prove it it is not science. if i plant 12312312213242124 seeds and they all grow into plants, however, i can have faith (still, with a chance of error) that the next seed i plant will result in a plant. see SCIENTIFIC METHOD. i have faith in gravity . . . not in the idea that using a contraceptive will da-mn me to he-ll. quantum mechanics describes reality through probability, which is a nice way of looking at things. but even gravity fails over a long enough time span – (one such example is the 'heat death' of the universe, where all matter/energy achieves equilibrium, and becomes indistinguishable on an individual basis) so does gravity, and everything/anything you can think of. science says question and accept with evidence, and to keep an open mind to more questioning. religion claims dominion over eternity. that some how, the infinite is not infinite, but bound by the rules of some other finite being."

      ----------------

      I dismiss everything you wrote here. It is a stream of consiousness, of bits and pieces that you have picked up here and there and thrown together in no coherent fashion. There is no proof in it. I, in fact, did study mathematics in college. You don't even use the correct terminology. Infinity is not a "system" and is not open or closed. In fact, infinity is not even a number. From there your post degenerates into some random pieces from physics.

      Again, nothing you posted proves anything.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:51 am |
    • A Catholic

      Science,

      You wrote:

      "when a scientist abandons the scientific method and fervently believes his logic is eternal, he is no longer a scientist, but one who observes the world through a rose colored lens. and you can state that i fervently believe the scientific method is eternal – but there is more logic and reasoning behind the scientific method than ' i believe that if you click your heels together you will be transported home because that is what the wizard of oz told me'"

      Who said anything about clicking heels together or the Wizard of Oz?

      June 19, 2012 at 2:58 am |
    • Delusions 3:15

      accept with evidence, and to keep an open mind to more questioning. religion claims dominion over eternity. that some how, the infinite is not infinite, but bound by the rules of some other finite being."

      Exactly Science. Catholics STILL to this day use Aristotle and Aquinas to posit First Cause, when we know for a fact that universe is non-intuitive, (Dirac Spinners, Heisenberg, Relativity)., and that First Cause requires the a priori existence of space time for the creative act to happen.
      Thank you Jesus.

      June 19, 2012 at 8:57 am |
  5. believer

    I am truly amazed at how ignorant the human race is.Not just those who do not believe in G-d, but more amazed at those who say they do! The comments here are a testimony to ignorance on both sides.It would be fair to say that at this point, it would be impossible to teach any of you anything! You are all just that stupid! I have never seen so many claim to know so much, and know so little..At this juncture it does not even pay to attempt to explain further..there will come a time when you will all have to deal with the convictions of your present ignorance..G-d help each and every one of you.The worst being some people who claim to follow G-d! Those who don't, I don't expect much from..What a bunch of sick, hateful, sad, and ignorant folks..Pity is all that can be offered to you all..

    June 19, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • tallulah13

      There is no proof of any god, devil, heaven or hell. The only people who are arrogant are the ones who believe that they are so special that a being with the power to create the universe will grant them immortality if they only say they love him best.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      Thanks for all the compliments but what in particular do you disagree with that I have posted here? Don't just come in and say I am stupid. Back it up with facts.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • LinCA

      @Alien Orifice

      You said, "Back it up with facts."
      Don't you think that's asking a little much? Didn't you see his/her handle? That should clue you in to the likelihood that facts are a foreign concept to him/her.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • igoryok

      Apparently pity is much easier than an explanation. Although one has to wonder about the genuine nature of pity from of anyone claiming superior understanding of some divine truth. How sympathetic can one truly when purposefully wasting his ability to help those pitied.

      If only there was some way to distinguish which of thousands different denominations claiming the ultimate truth is the right one. I pity the person charged with the Sisyphean task of weeding out the falsities.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      LinCA
      My bad. I always set the bar too high.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • LinCA

      @igoryok

      You said, "If only there was some way to distinguish which of thousands different denominations claiming the ultimate truth is the right one."
      Odds are that they are all equally wrong. Considering the staggering lack of any supporting evidence for any god, it's a pretty safe bet to discard them all.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • igoryok

      "The only people who are arrogant are the ones who believe that they are so special that a being with the power to create the universe will grant them immortality if they only say they love him best."

      Not to mention foolish for believing that immortality is necessarily the gift it is claimed to be. Considering no human comes even close to comprehending existence for an eternity, too many are way too certain that it is the ultimate prize. Perhaps it's an ironic punishment for those too arrogant to consider the possible error of their beliefs?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • igoryok

      "Odds are that they are all equally wrong. Considering the staggering lack of any supporting evidence for any god, it's a pretty safe bet to discard them all."

      Oh there's plenty of evidence. People just have no concept of weighing it. Irrelevant hearsay is a form of evidence too. My uncle's grandmother heard some people say so.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:27 am |
    • LinCA

      @Alien Orifice

      You said, "I always set the bar too high."
      The effort was laudable, though. I guess it is better to aim high and miss, than to not shoot at all.

      Who knows, maybe someone on the fence will read your very reasonable post after the obvious hateful rant from believer, and decide that reason is a more noble endeavor than blind faith. You may very well have saved a soul from the pits of religion.

      Kudos to you.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • Get Real

      @believer,

      (trying again...)

      But YOU, oh holy and vaunted @believer, YOU have it all correct, eh? If only everyone believed YOUR way, all would be hunky-dory, right?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:31 am |
    • LinCA

      igoryok

      You said, "Oh there's plenty of evidence."
      Please share.

      You said, "Irrelevant hearsay is a form of evidence too."
      Yes, of mental illness and delusion.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • igoryok

      You said, "Oh there's plenty of evidence."
      Please share.

      I did share, irrelevant hearsay, testimonial bias, coincidence, etc. are all forms of "evidence" that are normally afforded very little weight or disallowed altogether because of how unreliable they are. People peddling all sorts of claims that have little basis in reality attribute inordinate amount of weight to such evidence as long as it supports their view So when you ask for "evidence" you get the evidence they consider persuasive or simply ignore it altogether placing the burden on you yo disprove every one of their claims. That way, it's you who doesn't see the evidence.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:43 am |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "I have never seen so many claim to know so much, and know so little"

      Yet you claim to KNOW about god and your religion...bhahahahaha

      June 19, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • LinCA

      @igoryok

      You seem to be unclear on what it means for something to be evidence. Something isn't evidence, unless it establishes a fact. And when someone makes a claim, what is presented as supporting evidence needs to establish those claims as fact. If the evidence that is presented doesn't establish those specific facts, it isn't evidence.

      The facts we are trying to establish is whether there is a god, or gods, and how these gods like to be pleased by their minions.

      You said, "I did share, irrelevant hearsay, testimonial bias, coincidence, etc. are all forms of "evidence" that are normally afforded very little weight or disallowed altogether because of how unreliable they are."
      You already acknowledge that "irrelevant hearsay, testimonial bias, coincidence, etc." are "unreliable". If they are unreliable, they don't establish as fact, the claims made, and are therefor not evidence.

      That is, they are not evidence to establish whether there are gods. They are not evidence to help us establish which one of the thousands of denominations, sects and cults is the "right one". They are only evidence of the gullibility and stupidity of the people presenting them as evidence for gods.

      You said, "That way, it's you who doesn't see the evidence."
      I see the evidence and realize what it is evidence of.

      June 19, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  6. California

    I've posted 3 other posts and I"m now being censored. Not surprising. Have a ncie night all if you can read this that is.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • LinCA

      @California

      You said, "I've posted 3 other posts and I"m now being censored. Not surprising. Have a ncie night all if you can read this that is."

      CNN uses WordPress blogs for their opinion pieces, and they use automated censoring that looks for words, or fragments of words, that are considered offensive. If your post doesn't show up, it most likely had a forbidden word in it.

      Repeat posts, even those that were previously censored and not displayed, will show a message stating that you posted it before.

      The following words or word fragments will get your post censored (list is incomplete):
            arse             as in Arsenal
            bastard
            bitch
            cock             as in cockatiel
            coon           as in cocoon
            cum           as in circumstance
            cunt
            douche
            effing
            fag
            ftw
            fuck
            homo         as in homosexual
            horny
            jackass
            jap
            jism
            kinky
            kooch
            nipple
            orgy
            pis
            porn
            poo           as in spooked
            prick
            rape         as in grape
            sex           as in homosexual
            shit
            slut
            snatch
            spic         as in despicable
            tit               as in constitution or title
            twat
            vag           as in vague
            whore
            wtf

      To circumvent the filters you can break up the words by putting an extra character in, like: consti.tution (breaking the oh so naughty "tit").

      June 19, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      There is no censor on this blog. You are just not getting past the filters.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:02 am |
  7. California

    LAUSD And Planned Parenthood Provide Birth Control at Roosevelt High Clinic; What Do You Think?
    ---------------
    The first one that ends up with a blood clot will have a huge lawsuit against the LAUSD and even California.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • A Catholic

      If anyone does get sick, I hope they sue the pants off that school district and PP. This is outrageous.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:39 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      Interesting. I am not familiar with this. Can you post a link with more info?

      June 19, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • California

      http://momsla.com/2012/06/lausd-and-planned-parenthood-provide-birth-control-at-roosevelt-high-clinic-what-do-you-think/

      June 19, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @A Catholic
      I hope all the children molested by Catholic priests get the pants sued off them, starting with the pope. He should be abolished. It won't be hard to get their pants off......their pants are probably already around their ankles. Freaks.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      California, thanks.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • California

      There's also been a string of teachers in the LAUSD molesting children this year. The actual molestations have been happening for years and the teachers were/are protected under the teachers union in one of their collective bargaining agreements back in the 90's.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • igoryok

      Wouldn't the manufacturer be sued instead? The only reason there is currently a pending lawsuit over contraception related blood clots is due to an inadequate warning label for a particular brand. Normally, risk of blood clots is a disclosed risk of birth control pills.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • California

      Alien Orifice = You're welcome.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • California

      igoryok – There has to be something about giving medication to minors without parents permission. Don't you think the government is overstepping parental boundaries? I sure do.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      California,
      I read the article. Looks like a very good healthy program that is going to help a lot of kids who really need it. As long as their parents sign for permission, nobody is getting sued for anything. This makes life a hell of a lot less stressful for giris to protect themselves. I hope it is successful and more schools get on board. Progress! (Sorry "A Catholic", I know you prefer the dark ages.)

      June 19, 2012 at 12:50 am |
    • b4bigbang

      I hope the Dems 'Brave New World' approach to social issues doesn't cost them the election, as i would like to see Obama in office for a second term....

      June 19, 2012 at 12:51 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @B4BIGBANG
      I hear you. I worry about that too, but somebody has to the be the first to do whats right. That person is Obama. We have a responsibility to push forward this agenda and get this man re-elected. He is brave, intelligent and we need him for another term. The future is NOW.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • b4bigbang

      Right, Alien Orifice. We also need a Dem majority in Congress, so all this represents an uphill climb between now and November.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:15 am |
  8. Alien Orifice

    @A Catholic and JJ

    God created the universe. Many billions of years ago, a life form evolved on a planet not so far distant and their scientists deduced the building blocks for life existed in the universe and from it, new life forms could be created. These ancient ones populated Mars with life and eventually, due to asteroid events over millions of years, life arrived here on Earth. We are a product of that primeval turbulence. Therefore, we must worship the Aliens, not God. The Aliens have to worship God. This is all true because I have faith that it happened just this way.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • igoryok

      Maybe the aliens worship other aliens?

      June 19, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      Anything is possible.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:52 am |
  9. Reality

    The easy solution: PLEASE READ IF YOU MISSED IT THE FIRST TIME:

    Condoms are available over- the- counter. Make the Pill (type dependent on a doctor’s evaluation) available over the counter and there will be no more debate. Planned Parenthood can offer deep discounts for those who say they cannot afford said protection.

    Or better yet, put a pack of condoms. Unfortunately, that would not ensure the condoms and/or Pills would be used. Based on Guttmacher Insti-tute data, said condoms and/or Pills are currently not being used as they should. (one million abortions/yr and 19 million cases of S-TDs/yr because either the daily Pill was not taken or a condom stayed in the pocket.)

    Condom-fitted briefs for men?? Hmmm? Maybe not.

    The door is open for other ideas!!!

    Some added nitty-gritty:

    "Twenty-one states offer exemptions from contraceptive coverage, usually for religious reasons, for insurers or employers in their policies: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan (administrative rule), Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas and West Virginia."

    http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/insurance-coverage-for-contraception-state-laws.aspx

    June 19, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Reality

      Oops, "Or better yet, put a pack of condoms in cereal boxes".

      June 19, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • A Catholic

      Or even better yet, have people practice self control.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • igoryok

      "Or even better yet, have people practice self control."

      Cause we all know how well self control works in practice, especially among the paragons of self control, the clergy.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:39 am |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "Or even better yet, have people practice self control."

      LOL yeah that has worked well...7B people and counting.

      June 19, 2012 at 8:37 am |
  10. California

    Faith people faith.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      Exactly California, see my last post where I completely agree with you.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:23 am |
  11. Alien Orifice

    @A Catholic and JJ

    The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbolism are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual – the miter, the altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" – were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions.

    Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras – called the Son of God and the Light of the World – was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans.

    There is more evidence that the RCC invented and wrote the Bible to control the Jews than that Jesus actaully ever existed.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:17 am |
  12. Alien Orifice

    @A Catholic and JJ

    Maybe one of you geniuses can explain this to me. Ok, God is Jesus, Jesus is God. God wanted (needed?) to have a physical manifestation of himself on Earth and though he created the heavens and the Earth, Adam and Eve, he couldn't manage a “Jesus” so he knocked up a virgin by proxy who then gave birth to Himself and then he waited for himself to grow up so that he could preach the "truth" to those who would listen.

    Then he set up his own death (suicide) so that he could suffer on a pole to "die" (even thought he can't die) for the sins of all the many billions of people who would be born who had not yet committed any sins but for whom he has a plan and that plan includes sinning for some unknown reason so he needed to die for them. Then he becomes a ghost, takes a little trip to Hades to hang with the red guy and then he "rises" and walks about frightening people and then disappears after telling everyone he would return (an apparent lie) and never shows his face again.

    So my question would be, why?

    And I would offer up this counter possibility. Mary got knocked up by the blacksmith. Jesus was a cult leader. Jesus broke the law and was punished and died.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:16 am |
  13. Sheldon

    Wow I don't see why anyone would want to be President of the United States. You can't win for losing!! For every one segment of society that you make happy, you anger about two others!! One man or womant can't appease everyone. I could not do it. I would get on tv and tell people what they can do for me, how they can do it and where they can do it at.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • mickey1313

      The fact that the potus is cow towing to the theistic zealots, is a discrase. What part of the 1st amendments clause about not making laws based on religion do people not understand.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      The part that says "...nor limited the free exercise thereof..."

      June 19, 2012 at 9:15 am |
  14. A Catholic

    I'm glad to see the Vatican cracking down on rogue American Catholics.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @A Catholic
      No doubt. It is clearly more important to "crack down" on the nuns who are helping the poor and needy instead of doing their jobs; telling woman how to live there lives. And once the men who know nothing about female s e xuality are done wagging their fingers at those horrible nuns, they can get back to the real business at hand, s e xually molesting young boys.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • A Catholic

      You are vile, alien, and I've done nothing to you. But I will agree that they need to get the gays out of the Catholic Church so that you children are safe.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • A Catholic

      *should be "our" not "you"

      June 19, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      @A Catholic
      You are such an incredible dum a.s.s. H o mos e xuality and Pedophilia are two completely different things. Who cares if there are Gays in the church? Of course there are. There are Gays in every walk of life. But Pedophiles? The RCC should be banned. I’m vile?

      June 19, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • A Catholic

      The vast majority of the children abused were boys. Since priests are men that makes it hom.os.exual. Get them out of the Church.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • Alien Orifice

      A Catholic
      A Pedophile is an adult attracted to young children. It has nothing to do with h.o.mos.e.xuality. If there were alter girls, they would be molested by these sicko's too. Get an education you bigot.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:57 am |
    • mickey1313

      @ a catholic, it there were alter girls, their would far more molestation, but just like jail, the deprived priests get what they can take

      June 19, 2012 at 12:57 am |
    • tallulah13

      @A Catholic.

      Actually, most pedophiles are straight. It has more to do with power than with gender. However, I understand that you as a catholic prefer to incite hatred toward an innocent group rather than to admit that your church is corrupt.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      There are alter girls

      June 19, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, there are. And there are cases of abuse of altar GIRLS, too, by pedophile priests.

      June 19, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • sam stone

      Yeah, much better to crack down on nuns than altar boy mounting priests. Go off and worship your drag queen hierarchy

      June 19, 2012 at 9:40 am |
  15. Karm99

    So Catholic Church, what is next of you "Do not support" list?
    P
    Mental Illness?
    STD's?
    Drug Addiction?
    Aids?
    Smoking?
    Alternative Medicine?

    Take your pick........

    June 18, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Karm99: I understand everything on your list, except – what the heck is "P"?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • LinCA

      @b4bigbang

      You said, "@Karm99: I understand everything on your list, except – what the heck is "P"?"
      Porn, perhaps?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • b4bigbang

      That's as good a guess as any.....

      June 19, 2012 at 1:12 am |
  16. 2020

    What else is New? When it comes to financial consideration, and pressure from outside source, they have no voice, no choice

    June 18, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
  17. JJ

    @ "Alien Orifice"-JJ Walker ?Also, READ again. I did not say I was stupid or uneducated. Your sarcasm & vulgarity preclude you. AGAIN....want a child reading your posts? I know all of those words-just respectful enough to not use them. (even in hiding,with the disguise of technology). Have a pleasant evening.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      @JJ
      Actually you said, "Why am I "stupid,uneducated,a troll,a moron.........."? I simply replied to your question.

      You don't know who JJ Walker is?? He was a character on a sitcom from the 1970's called "Good Times".

      Why don't you reply to any of my posts?

      June 19, 2012 at 12:08 am |
  18. JJ

    @ "Alien Orifice"-JJ Walker ?Also, READ again. I did not say I was stupid or uneducated. Your sarcasm & vulgarity preclude you. AGAIN....want a child reading your posts? I know all of those words-just respectful enough to not use them. Have a pleasant evening.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      JJ, I am so sorry to have offended you. I'm a bad 'ol bear.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  19. JJ

    @ "Alien Orifice"-I have no idea who JJ Walker is. Also, READ again. I did not say I was stupid or uneducated. Your sarcasm & vulgarity precludes you. Have a pleasant evening.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
  20. California

    The democrat's Christian bashing is alive and well in 2012. They ignore it happening but then again they ignore facts all the time.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • mickey1313

      There is no bashing, just the fact that employers do not have the right to deny health care, because of there beliefs. Especially a npo. If they wish to talk politics, they must drop the npo, part there dues, then they have a right to politics. You don't get to play in the system with out contributing, otherwise they are hypocrites

      June 18, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • California

      mickey1313 – As I stated above, ignorance. Obamacare will be a footnote in history by the end of the month. Deal with it.

      Hypocrites = LIBERALS and Hussein Obama is the biggest of all.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • Flamespeak

      @Mickey

      I fail to see how the vast, vast majority of birth control could be considered a necessary part of health care.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • Emma in Baltimore

      @Flamespeak

      So just because most women use birth control pills to prevent pregnancy, anyone who needs it for medical treatment must be denied coverage? Besides, what ever happened to free will? Why can't the church trust members of their congregation to follow their guidance and leave the moral decisions of their parishioners with the individual parishioners? Why do they have to deny medical coverage from those who need it to prevent anybody from using it as birth control?

      June 19, 2012 at 12:50 am |
    • tallulah13

      If the catholic church chooses to operate a for-profit business, they must abide by the laws that pertain to for-profit businesses. If they cannot operate within the parameters of the law, they should not be in business.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • mickey1313

      Emma, would you rather part your taxes for birth control, or the millions of unwanted babies, which draws over 50 k a piece on well fare? Because kids are going to have s ex, you can't stop that. If it is a holy crime, is up to god to judge not us weak willed humans. And it's way less money than things 7 million we give to the terror state of isreal every day.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • mickey1313

      California, maybe. Because the far right have brainwashed people to believe fascism is right and equality is wrong. Every American deserves healthcare. Obamas way is not the best, but its his 3rd choices. The repub a ta rd s blocked single payer, and public option systems, the only thing they could get padded was the shattered down system that may in fact fail.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:18 am |
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