June 19th, 2012
11:53 AM ET

Hasidic child sex abuse allegations

By Ella Chick, CNN

(CNN)–Areas of Brooklyn, New York feel like a trip back in time. Ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities live a lifestyle that mirrors their ancestors from centuries ago. The dress, hair, language, education, food, values, prayers, traditions and community structure have been passed down and preserved through many generations and across oceans. All of those are an expression of the residents’ profound faith in God.

What is not visible are shameful secrets: Child sex abuse scandals have been making headlines for years and bringing unwanted attention to a group bent on privacy.

For Hasidim, every waking act is defined by the laws of the Torah; they depend on the teachings of rabbis to guide them in all parts of their day. Influence from the secular world threatens to invade their insular community.

Now revered leaders of the community are accused of protecting child predators and punishing the victims who dare to speak out about what was done to them, all to avoid outside involvement.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Judaism

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  1. Biblical

    There was a politician called Mark Foley
    who s3xted young boys
    and when caught
    said "sorry I did it because Im h0m0s3xual" and resigned.

    June 20, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I'm straight and I don't bang little girls. You are an idiot.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • Wake Up

      The scary part is that there are many that claim they are born that way, so everything should be overlooked.

      Was Adolf born that way? Jeffrey Dahmer born that way?

      The TOTAL Falacy of the argument of Genetics is people make the choice to do right and wrong, and they are responsible for their actions.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • BRC

      @Wake Up,
      Yes, because if you said it angrily enough, the fact that your comparison has no merit will be completely overlooked. Hitler was a power hungry mass murdering psychopath. Dahmer was a serial killer and a cannibal. Yes, both were born with the tendency and capacity to behave that way. But their actions were illegal, and HARMFUL to others (in the extreme obviously). Gays/Lesbians have a natural tendency and drive to be attracted to the same gender. But so long as that relationship is between to consenting knowledgeble adults it harms absolutely no one, is not illegal, and has no reason to make anyone upset. Stop making false comparisons just because you think soemthing is "icky".

      June 20, 2012 at 8:54 am |
  2. Biblical

    Maybe some h0m0s3xuals infiltrated the jewish priesthood, like they did at the catholic.

    June 20, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Just a tad bit of bigotry there! Most ho.mo.se.xuals I know would never harm a child. The vast majority of pedophiles are usually a person the child knows well and trusts (ie; clergy, a family member, a close family friend).

      June 20, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • Biblical

      Do research into links between N – A – M – B – L – A and g*ay people. its disturbing

      June 20, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • Wake Up

      Truth Prevails – The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws criminalizing adult se-xual involvement with minors,

      June 20, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Wake Up

      All of what you said is true, but how does that in any way counter what Truth Prevails said?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Biblical

      in the beginning, gay organizations and leaders had close links to it. Look up 'Harry Hay NAMBLA' anywhere. Other leaders also did support.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Biblical: I understand that the group you are speaking of is known for this but that does not change the fact that generally speaking most pedophiles are heteros who the child knows and trusts. Groups that exist that prey on innocent children should all be gathered up and taken off the streets. My point is that you specifically pointed out ho.mo.se.xuals when the reality is that this kind of thing happens in every culture regardless of se.xual orientation, belief/disbelief. One child being harmed like this is one child too many.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Hay was a controversialist and an anti-assimilationist which meant he did that kind of stuff for shock value more than anything else. Anyway, how does the actions of one gay person prove that there is a link between gayness and perderasty, especially considering how many straight people have been caught molesting kinds, both boys and girls?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      That should be kids, not kinds.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • Keith

      TP, Here's what you and many of the qu.eer supporters fail to recognize: Adult male sticking his pen.is into rec.tum of male child(like Jerry Sandusky)=a H0M0$EXUAL act. The adult male here is NOT heteros^xual. I don't know why this is soooooo hard for you people to comprehend???

      June 20, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Keith

      TP, the fact that generally speaking most pedophiles are heteros
      Just where do you get your "facts"? NAMBLA?

      June 20, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Biblical

      Steve Baldwin, the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C. has published on this topic. I tried to post here some cut and paste of his research five times but get c3ns0red.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Biblical

      Mr Baldwin refers to a SPECIAL double issue from a journal of h0m0s called 'Male Intergenerational Intimacy'. which celebrates exactly what you think it does.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Biblical

      WHY is the journal of h0m0s3xuality publishing this kind of crap? tried to post a damaging line from one of the articles here 6 times but was c3ns0red

      June 20, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Primewonk

      Steve Baldwin? Seriously? And his credentials to speak on the science of sèxual orintationwould be....

      I àssume the article you speak of was the one published by Regent Clown and Bible school? The same article he claimed Stanford Law review was going to publish, but they backed out? The one that, in fact, he hadn't ever submitted to SLR?

      No. Instead, why don't you post the citations to the peer-reviewed scientific research supporting your contentions?

      June 20, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Biblical


      no matter what his credentials, are, there IS a special double issue by the journal of h0m0s3xuality called 'male interg**eratinal int*macy" that is a FACT.

      June 20, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Biblical

      “The editorial board of the leading ped0ph1le academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent h0m0s3xual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of H0m0s3xuality,”

      June 20, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Biblical

      Just to make it clear to all :

      Male Intergenerati0nal int1macy = Jerry sandusky, Mark Foley, Catholic priests, etc etc

      and this was a SPECIAL 2 volume edition of the JOURNAL OF h0m0s3xuality.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  3. Topher

    Anyone have a question about Christianity?

    June 20, 2012 at 2:14 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Given that you, and every other believer, have completely failed at proving the existence of your imaginary friends, there are no questions worth asking.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • Topher

      Hi, HotAirAce

      How are you?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:37 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Still claiming to be an expert on fairy tales Topher? Are you also an expert on Cinderella and the Easter Bunny? After all they are no different than your belief in your imaginary friend.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Which God??

      Yes. Why do you believe in an unknowable, mystical creature you call God?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • Topher

      TruthPrevails 🙂

      Hahaha. Nope. Never claimed to be an expert on anything.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:56 am |
  4. Keith

    Isn't h0m0s^xuality great?! These deviant perverts have infiltrated all levels of all faiths. Nail their balls to a stump and kick them over backwards. Then Obama can give them a purple heart and a merit badge or something...

    June 19, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • Answer

      Keep spewing your hate. No one will care when your kind are dead.

      June 19, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oooh, KEEF! Can a Muslim bestow a Purple Heart? Can it? Huh? Huh?

      Can it?

      *pretending to care about your answer*

      June 19, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Keith

      Answer, Hate? If you mean hatred of that which is evil like some que.er molesting, harming, and destroying a child's life-then your damn right. BTW, is your comment some sort of threat? Are you gonna have your Thought Police round me up and charge me with a hate crime? Re-educate me? You may try, but this country is about to get an education on God's righteous judgment. I look back and see how rapidly our nation has declined-but people like you call it "progress".

      June 20, 2012 at 7:52 am |
  5. Forshame

    I can't believe someone would abuse a Hasidic child...

    June 19, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I cannot believe someone would wear a hat like that


      June 19, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      And, I can believe you to be a coward hijacking my handle to post your nonsense.

      June 19, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I can't believe more true Christians haven't visited visited website, prolapsed.net. Its all about the truths of the bible.

      June 19, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • mema

      Stop spaming a p©rn site with viruses. Use y©ur own handle troll.

      June 20, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • HeavenSent

      And I can't believe it's not butter.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:40 am |
  6. !

    Sweet heart come back to bed. I'm not done with those tight little cheeks of yours <3

    June 19, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
  7. Most morals come from religion.Atheists lie

    case closed!

    June 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      True decent morals come from societal norms, not a belief in something imaginary, thus theists lie.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  8. Reality

    Why did today's pope, prelates, preachers and rabbis, so focused on society's se-xual sins, lose sight of clerical se-xual sins?


    Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!

    Neither is coronation!!! e.g. Henry VIII, King David.

    Neither is marriage as 50% of those men convicted of pedophilia are married.

    Neither is being elected president of the USA!! e.g. Billy "I did not have se-x with that girl" Clinton, John "Marilyn Monroe" Kennedy".

    Neither is possessing super athletic skill!!! e.g. Tiger "I am so sorry for getting caught" Woods.

    Neither is being an atheist or pagan since pedophilia is present in all walks of life.

    If someone is guilty of a crime in this litany of "neithers" they should or should have been penalized as the law dictates to include jail terms for pedophiliacs (priests, rabbis, evangelicals, boy scout leaders, married men/women), divorce for adultery (Clinton, Kennedy, Woods), jail terms for obstruction of justice (Clinton, Cardinal Law) and the death penalty or life in prison for murder ("Kings David and Henry VIII).

    June 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Y©u put penal and dic in the same sentence. Too funny! He he

      June 20, 2012 at 7:13 am |
  9. non-believers have killed millions upon millions

    its true

    June 19, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  10. Bill Deacon

    AS a Catholic, my prayer for the Hasidic community is that they find strength in their faith against the onslaught of evil both within their community who would insinuate their sickness and from those without who would use it as an excuse to tear them down

    June 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  11. Atheism is a religion

    case closed!!

    June 19, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  12. Reality

    "Yet another prominent Orthodox rabbi has been charged with se-xual abuse. This time it is Rabbi Mordechai Elon, one of the foremost rabbinic leaders of the Israeli Orthodox movement and former rosh yeshiva at the flagship Yeshivat HaRav, where last year a Palestinian mounted an assault which left several students dead. The result was that students of the yeshiva and other far right Jews went on a rampage and tried to burn down the home of the family of the perpetrator of the attack. Elon’s brother is Benny, a former MK for a far-right pro-settler party.

    At one time the rabbi was so renowned he’d hoped to be named chief rabbi. Alas, that hope is all but dashed as he was charged several years ago with abusing boys at his yeshiva:

    Takana, a rabbinic forum established in 2003 to clamp down on se-xual misconduct by Orthodox educators, went public February 15 with allegations that Mordechai “Moti” Elon had taken advantage of his influence over male students and performed “acts at odds with sacred and moral values.”

    The panel later said that two people, whose complaints alleged acts from about 25 years ago, had been under 18 at the time. More recent alleged acts involved students of Elon who were 18 or older. Since its initial disclosure, the panel reports having received one more complaint of an alleged underage encounter…

    What is unusual about this case is that a splinter group of the Orthodox community is taking the position that the entire prosecution is an attempt to destroy rabbinic authority and the Orthodox movement. It calls for refusal to cooperate with state authorities (or to deal with the charge through a beyt din)."

    Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!

    June 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Why care?

      "Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !"

      No one said otherwise.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Reality

      Catholics were taught that their priests are god's representatives on Earth and they can do no wrong.

      June 19, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Why Care?

      Sounds like an error in the theology but not the faith.

      June 19, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Reality

      Faith in what?

      The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      (references used are available upon request)

      June 19, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Why Care?

      Oh Reality....your copy/paste drivel is silly.

      "Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven"

      You don't understand the whole "faith" thing do you?

      "and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??"

      Faith still eludes you doesn't it? Human created? Can you prove that statement? Hmmm, perhaps you have some faith after all.

      "I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,

      Simple? A little condesending aren't you? Actually..."preacher-man" is inaccurate. He was called Rabbi...not Preacher.

      "who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter"
      named Joseph"


      "living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish"
      girl named Mary."

      Well..you and the Gospels seem to agree there.

      "Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,"

      But was all that so called "rabble-rousing" wrong? You don't say but you imply. Are you Pro-Roman?

      "He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of


      "Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers."


      "were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths."


      "Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity"

      Eh..kind of wrong there slick. Christianity predated Catholicism.

      "featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus."

      Guess sybolism is beyond you as well as the concept of faith.

      Truly so.

      June 19, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Reality

      Joseph (or someone else) as the human father of Jesus

      As per Professor Bruce Chilton, a contemporary NT scholar:

      "In Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography (2000), Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a ma-mzer; someone whose irregular birth circu-mstances result in their exclusion from full participation in the life of the community. He argues for the natural pa-ternity of Joseph and finds no need for a miraculous con-ception. In his subsequent reconstruction of Jesus' life, Chilton suggests that this sustained personal experience of exclusion played a major role in Jesus' self-ident-ity, his concept of God and his spiritual quest."

      From: K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998. p.55

      "Stories circulated to the effect that Alexander of Macedonia was not only the son of Philip II, but also of the god Zeus-Ammon (Plutarch, Parallel Lives, "Alexander" 2.1-3.2); Plato was the son of Ariston and the god Apollo (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 3.1-2), and Augustus was the son of Octavius as well as the god Apollo (Suetonius, Lives o f the Caesars 2.4.1-7). The extraordinary character of these elites reputedly stemmed from both their divine o-rigins and their kingroups. Their kin-groups provided one form of le-gitimation-political right to the throne and/or social status (thus the importance of Joseph in Matthew's genealogy). Their divine pr-ocreation provided another: their h-onor was divinely ascribed, and their greatness as leaders derived from divine paternity."

      So which is it? Joseph was the father or the Holy Ghost did the deed? If it were the HG, then Jesus was not a descendent of David.

      "Jesus, son of Joseph

      The GJohn is well-known for its complex and highly-developed theology. Less recognized is the same Gospel's capacity to preserve historical nuggets that would otherwise be lost to us. One of those may be surfacing here in the reference to Jesus as the "son of Joseph" and the comfort with which the Johannine story-teller can describe Jesus' opponents as saying they know his "father and mother."

      In chapters 6, 7 and 8 we find casual references to Jesus' parentage or birth place that are at odds with the later Christian tradition:

      son of Joseph, we know his father and mother ...
      6:42 They were saying, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I have come down from heaven'?"

      not born in Bethlehem
      7:40 When they heard these words, some in the crowd said, "This is really the prophet."7:41 Others said, "This is the Messiah." But some asked, "Surely the Messiah does not come from Galilee, does he?7:42 Has not the scripture said that the Messiah is descended from David and comes from Bethlehem, the village where David lived?"7:43 So there was a division in the crowd because of him.7:44 Some of them wanted to arrest him, but no one laid hands on him.

      at least we know our father!
      8:39 They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing what Abraham did,8:40 but now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did.8:41 You are indeed doing what your father does." They said to him, "We are not il-legitimate children; we have one father, God himself."

      not yet 50 years of age
      8:56 Your ancestor Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; he saw it and was glad."8:57 Then the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?"8:58 Jesus said to them, "Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am."

      Professor Gerd Luedemann review:

      "Luedemann [Jesus, 122-24] presents four (4) reasons for regarding the miraculous conception of Jesus as unhistorical: (1) Numerous parallels in the history of religion; (2) it represents a rare and late NT tradition; (3) Synoptic descriptions of Jesus' relations with his family are inconsistent with such an event; and (4) scientific considerations.

      More positively, Luedemann concludes that we can extract as a historical fact behind Matt 1.18-25 the existence of a hostile rumor about the il-legitimacy of Jesus. Luedemann suggests that ra-pe by an unnamed man, possibly even a Roman soldier, is the most likely explanation. He notes that while such an event would have disqualified Mary from marriage to a priest, it would not have prevented from marrying and have other children.

      Luedemann [Jesus, 261-63] discounts Luke's account as a legend deriving from Jewish Hellenistic circles that were concerned to hold together the pro-creation of the Spirit, the authentic sonship of the Messiah and the vi-rginal co-nception.

      See added discussion at http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb026.html .

      June 20, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

      The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,


      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      June 20, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • Reality

      Professor JD Crossan notes from his book, Who is Jesus)

      "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

      June 20, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality...could y©u post something short of a book. Or heres an idea, make y©ur own argument. Geez.

      June 20, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • Reality

      For those who are reading challenged: (from a PowerPoint slide)




      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      Added details upon request.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:09 am |
  13. A Catholic

    This is just another hatchet job on religion.

    June 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Which God??

      Yes. I sure hope that they contiue to expose this stuff in all the religions. Chop it up, expose it's false teachings for what it is. Religion is nothing more than controllng someone, making them stay in line, setting them up for physical as well as mental abuse.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Why care?

      "I sure hope that they contiue to expose this stuff in all the religions."

      Why? Shouldn't they be going after anyone who does this stuff regardless of religious affiliation or even the lack of religious affiliation?

      June 19, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • non-believers have killed millions upon millions

      why do atheists care if life does not matter?

      so they must also believe humans are the center

      June 19, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      A Catholic: Why are you such a major supporter of child abuse? Given how much you defend them, I'd be willing to wager that you are one of them and that no-one should allow any child near you.

      non-believers have killed millions upon millions: Where do you get the idea that we life doesn't matter to us? Life does matter to us, what doesn't matter is believing in the imaginary friend christards seem to share. As for your alias, totally wrong. Christards have killed more in the name of their imaginary friend than non-believers have...or did you forget the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the Salem Witch Trials? Educate yourself beyond grade 5 before trying to communicate with adults.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Sorry Truth you can say that life matters to you but you can't really speak for all atheist since there is no atheist dogma. Right? I am certain there are plenty of atheist for whom life has little or no value and who are capable of any human atrocity. Not to worry, atheism is safe because no one would reasonably ascribe deviant behavior to a large group of people based on the actions of a segment of that population. Or would they?

      June 20, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  14. Ben Pesisa

    Kudos to CNN and perhaps Rosenberg for highlighting the fact that at least some within the Hasidic Community actually take Child Protection seriously, and realize that the laws of the state must come before any community rules/enactments.

    But is molestation so rife in the community, that it's as high as one in 5 children as Rosenberg alleges? Why didn't he say one in three?

    Is it safe to assume that from the 3-4 people who run by the camera refusing an interview, one of them is a victim? Oh, what about the guy who stops and says there's no molesters around? He must be the Pedophile, right? Ah... Now I get why those guys are running away....

    Seriously, get facts.. get statistics and back them up. You cant just get away with this

    June 19, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Manitoba Hoser

      They can't get away with it? The hell they can't !! Especially since the "social scientists" employed by CNN will back them up at every opportunity. After all, CNN is Saudi funded. Misinformation? Propaganda? Naaahhh. Not at CNN. They might as well scroll this on the kyron on the bottom of their "newscasts"


      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 am |
  15. ted

    Judge nonone, but do justice.

    June 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  16. Rebel4Christ


    June 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Which God??

      Too Reb: Stoooopid video.

      @Barry. Hey nutjob, bashing babies heads against the rocks IS abuse. You are one thick and sick person. Tell me did the babies in the by-bulldeserve it? Your god said to do it. Was it right?

      June 19, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Barry Allen

      Learn how to use the reply button properly eh.

      I don't know if they deserved it. You seem to think you have an answer.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Barry: What the hell do you mean you don't know if they deserved it? What an asinine thing to say...no child deserves to be harmed and it doesn't take much to figure that one out but we can't expect much of someone who still has imaginary friends...stupid children should not be on the internet.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:25 am |
  17. Doc Vestibule

    Do they think secular law enforcement would sit idly by if they dispensed Old Testament justice and, for example, stoned their children to death in the town square? Of course not.
    It's all well and good if they wish to live in an insular community – but they are still subject to the laws of the larger society of which they are a part.
    They should all go up on charges of aiding and abetting, conspiracy and, if they continue to resist, obstruction of justice.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  18. HeavenSent

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    1 John 4:1


    June 19, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Which God??

      Hey HS you need to get l.aid, big time. You need some carnal training. Good for the soul and what ails your poor celebate body. But then again, with the gibberish you spout, and the tool you are, I'm not surprised you are a congragation of one in your own phew.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • BriSoFla


      June 19, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • BriSoFla

      Heaven Sent is Ped-o-phile and STUPID!

      June 19, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      God is in me, you should listen to my wisdom.


      June 19, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Which God?? Come out behind your dummy handle and post like a man or woman that you should be. Other than that, slink and hide to spew your ridiculous babble as a coward hiding behind multiple handles.

      June 19, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, you have no wisdom because you're too lazy to learn Jesus' truth. Do the work and then you can crawl out from using my handle and stand up like the man or woman that Jesus wants you to be.

      June 19, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • just sayin

      Gos is the only thing to have entered Heaven Sent...no man will ever have her.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • HeavenSkunt

      "God is in me"

      Are you bent over?

      June 20, 2012 at 11:34 am |
  19. Colin

    Why is it that one's propensity to kiddie-fiddle seems to be directly proportional to one's belief in Bronze Age sky-fairies. There's got to be an academic paper in there somewhere.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Rebel4Christ

      Ha nowhere in the Bible does God ever EVER approve of abusing children!!!

      June 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So he never urged anyone to dash the heads of babies against rocks?

      June 19, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Barry Allen

      "Why is it that one's propensity to kiddie-fiddle seems to be directly proportional to one's belief in Bronze Age sky-fairies."

      Because you are a jack@ss Colin that doesn't know what he is talking about but relies solely on your own very very limited understanding of the world.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Barry Allen

      "So he never urged anyone to dash the heads of babies against rocks?"

      For the sake of abuse..no.

      June 19, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "For the sake of abuse..no."

      Nope not for abuse but instead to kill them....great imaginary friend you have there Barry...the most sadistic monster available to be worshiped.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:22 am |
  20. Len

    These criminals deserve the death penalty for abusing children. They have no business getting away with these crimes.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Manitoba Hoser

      'Specially cause they're Jews, 'eh? Miserable lousy pedo Jews. I say bring out a mohl with a garden weasel and chop 'em up all up in little pieces. Now, who's next? How about the Muzzies?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:05 am |
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