Bias against Mormon presidential candidate unchanged since 1967, poll finds
Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, is trying to become the first Mormon president.
June 21st, 2012
01:19 PM ET

Bias against Mormon presidential candidate unchanged since 1967, poll finds

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Bias against a Mormon presidential candidate hasn’t budged in 45 years, with 18% of Americans saying they would not vote for a well-qualified candidate who happened to be Mormon, according to a Gallup Poll released Thursday.

The survey points up potential challenges for presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who is vying to be the first Mormon in the White House.

Gallup first asked Americans about support for a Mormon presidential candidate in 1967 when Romney’s father, George Romney, was running for president. That year, 17% of Americans said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon for president.

George Romney dropped out of the race after making a gaffe about the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon won the GOP nomination in 1968.

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“The stability of resistance to a Mormon presidential candidate over the past 45 years is an anomaly,” Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport wrote in a survey report, noting that “resistance to a candidate who is black, a woman, or Jewish has declined substantially over the same period of time.”

The survey also found that four in 10 Americans do not know that Romney is Mormon. Gallup found that those who know Romney is a Mormon are also the most likely to back the idea of a Mormon for president.

But the national learning curve on Romney's religion "suggests the possibility that as Romney's faith becomes better known this summer and fall, it could become more of a negative factor," Newport wrote in his report.

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"Those who resist the idea of a Mormon president will in theory become more likely to realize that Romney is a Mormon as the campaign unfolds," Newport wrote.

Bias against a Mormon candidate is significantly higher among Democrats and independents than among Republicans, Gallup found.

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Twenty-four percent of Democrats and 18% of independents said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon who was nominated by their party, while 10% of Republicans expressed such opposition.

Resistance to a Mormon candidate was much higher among Americans with lower levels of education, with 23% of those without a high school diploma saying they would not support a well-qualified Mormon. Six percent of those with postgraduate education shared that view.

In his report, Newport said that it’s “unclear how the current level of resistance to the idea of voting for a Mormon presidential candidate will affect the election.”

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“History shows that these types of attitudes in and of themselves are not an impediment to victory,” Newport wrote, citing a 1960 poll that found 21% of Americans would not vote for a well-qualified Catholic candidate for the presidency.

Later that same year, John F. Kennedy won the White House.

The Romney campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In an interview earlier this year, Southern Baptist leader Richard Land predicted that Romney’s Mormonism would become a bigger political challenge for the candidate - not because of anti-Mormon bias among evangelicals but because of that bias among independents.

Most evangelicals already “know what Mormonism believes and most of them are prepared to vote for Mitt Romney in a general election against Barack Obama in spite of his Mormonism,” said Land, public policy chief for the country’s largest evangelical denomination.

“The 40% of electorate that’s independent, most of them have no idea what Mormons believe,” Land said. “But they will all know what Mormons believe by the general election.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Mormonism • Politics

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  1. Dom

    @ Old School: You wrote
    "As an atheist, I don't completely discount the possibility of the existence of a god, just as I don't immediately discount any other claim. I just require the same level of proof to substantiate that claim as any other, and so far no such evidence has been presented, and until that point I will remain an atheist by definition."

    To be classified as an Atheist, you have rejected the existence of god. What you wrote is the true definition of Agnosticism.

    Agnostics say that the truth is currently unknown ... which is a fact. They do not say that the truth is "unknowable" they say that there is a POSSIBILITY that the truth is unknowable .... Dont rule anything out until it is proven.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Getreal

      I too am an atheist and as such BELIEVE that there is no god. I cannot prove it or disprove it so it remains a BELIEF. Because I cannot prove it, I must leave room for the possibility that my BELIEF is wrong. Hope that clears up your misunderstanding.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Dom ... Atheists DO NOT reject the idea of a God(s), we just don't believe it. Leaving open the possibility for anything to be possible is the sign of a reasonable person. Until there is a reason to believe something exists an Atheist simply doesn't belive it. Atheism really is a very simple concept, you seem to be trying very hard to make it fit your idea of what it is.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
  2. shep

    A note to America. If you elect a Mormon to the presidency, Jesus Christ will reach down and wipe America off the face of the earth. Voting for a Mormon is blasphemy.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • other david

      If Mitt is elected and Christ does not wipe America off the planet.....will you promise to go away? I'd vote for Mitt just to make you and your kind disappear. Romans 10 talks about people who have a 'zeal for God, but not according to knowledge'. I'd say that sums you up quite nicely.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • peter

      other david–if romney is elected which i highly doubt, because he can't win when republicans like me sit out especially in battle states- But lets says he does–Nothing is going to happen,the mormons won't be taking over, nor will christ "strike down" america as that guy claims–it will just be a failed presidency like obama.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
  3. A note to the Democrats

    Democrats who have a problem with Mitt Romney's religion must also have a problem with their own Senate Majority Leader Harry Reed! And Democrats who think that Mormons are racist better check out their own history with the KKK! And to CNN the constant harassment you place on the Mormon church is appalling. The anointed one... our current president, who you failed to vet, spent over 20 years in a church that HATES AMERICA. And married a wife who said the first time she was proud of America was when her husband was elected president. Yet the mormon church comes into play every other week on CNN.

    June 22, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • peter

      dems won't be voting for romney no matter what religion he is because they are dems–it's republicans like me who have a problem with his religion and hence will be sitting out the gen election

      June 22, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Seriously

      Peter I wonder what drew you to this post... it wasn't even referring to you. It certainly is your right to believe what you believe. Why don't you tell us your beliefs and we can tear you down too.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • peter

      It does not matter what i believe but if you disagree with anything i said you are more than welcome to tear it down.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  4. Defenders of the Faith

    This is what we proclaim to the world...make no mistake about it!

    "We declare in words of solemnity that His priesthood and His Church have been restored upon the earth—“built upon the foundation of … apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Ephesians 2:20).

    We testify that He will someday return to earth. “And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together” (Isaiah 40:5). He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him. Each of us will stand to be judged of Him according to our works and the desires of our hearts.

    We bear testimony, as His duly ordained Apostles—that Jesus is the Living Christ, the immortal Son of God. He is the great King Immanuel, who stands today on the right hand of His Father. He is the light, the life, and the hope of the world. His way is the path that leads to happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come. God be thanked for the matchless gift of His divine Son.

    The First Presidency
    January 1, 2000


    June 22, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  5. .

    Why was it necessary for Joseph Smith to restore the true church of Jesus Christ to the earth when the Lord had already established it ?  The earth was not ready for the church during the Roman Occupation.  The world was a brutal place and began killing the early Christians and the apostles.  Paul was a prophet and knew that the true gospel would be lost for a time.  In 2 Thessalonians 2 he said, “1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
     2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
     3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
    The early apostles also knew, however, that the church would be restored in the latter days and in anticipation of that great day they spoke directly to you and me in Acts 3, "19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
    21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of rest itution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
    Can a thing be restored that has not been lost?  We are indeed greatful to the great reformers for their sacrifices and work to prepare the way for the true gospel of Jesus Christ to be restored to the earth.  They were like John the Baptist, who prepared the way for our Lord Jesus Christ.  But, just like John the Baptist had to diminish while the Lord increased, so the protestant churches also need to diminish and give place to the true church.  They have done their work and must end.  I know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and I know that Thomas S. Monson is a true and living prophet on the earth today.  I invite you to visit mormon.org for more information.

    June 22, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • peter

      no screename–have you read anti-mormon literature?

      June 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • .

      Do I need to eat feces and drink urine? What would it prove? Anti-mormon literature is from the devil who does not want Jesus Christ to succeed. I would advise you to get out of the employ of that dirt-bag!

      June 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • peter

      You just proved my point–well not mine–the lds teaches and instructs it's members not to read anti-mormon literature.
      No need for anti-mormon literature to know the truth--The book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the proof that it is a false religion. The very claim is the lie in of itself

      June 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Based on what, peter? The Bible? What if the Bible is wrong? What if IT is false?

      June 22, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • peter

      tom tom tom-Do you believe that joeseph smith who wrote the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the word of God,yes or no?

      June 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • other david

      Peter– I have read the anti-mormon literature and it is completely false at worst and devilishly misleading at best. How about you prove something for once on these threads? You claim the book of mormon is false and yet offer nothing but your own intellectually starved opinion. Surely there is more to your position than spewing curses at everyone??

      Truth is most likely that you have no proof. Just conjecture and theories.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  6. .

    Peter, let's be reasonable here, none of the protestant churches could possibly be the true church because they all apostatized from the Catholic church and can claim no authority (Isn't that why we call them protestants?) Christ founded his church on priesthood authority. Hebrews 5 says, " 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
    5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee." Aaron was ordained to the priesthood by Moses, the prophet, and Moses received the priesthood from his father in law, Jethro. John 15:16 says: "16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit," Christ never intended that minsters and pastors run helter skelter preaching whatever they please and taking priesthood authority "unto themselves". He intended that his church be run by revelation administered by a prophet. Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the organization of the original church and is administered by a prophet of God. It is the only church today that is administered by verifiable priesthood authority with most churches not even bothering with authority at all!

    June 22, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • peter

      No screename-If the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the word of God than you are correct–All of christendom is in error be it catholics, lutherans, baptists,presbytarians,born-again–ect ect and the lds is the only true church with the true gospel.
      However, we are not in error because you sir believe in another gospel and in another christ from a man who lives 130 years ago. Cursed is your christ and the spirit from which joeseph smith wrote

      June 22, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • .

      Just saying you are not in error doesn't mean you are not in error. You are in error because ypu don't follow the teachings of the New Teestament. Harold Camping had the humility to admit he is wrong. Why can't you?

      June 22, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • peter

      He was wrong about the rapture,obviously–he wasn't wrong about the bible or christendom

      I don't believe in the rapture, but if one does they are still christians.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Defenders of the Faith

      Peter...this may help put things in perspective:

      "The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done”
      -Joseph Smith

      June 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • peter

      Cursed is your false christ and your prophet in hell

      June 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      peter, are you under the delusion that you're the guy standing at the pearly gates who gets to decide who comes in and who doesn't?

      June 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Defenders of the Faith

      I love you brother. The Gospel of Jesus Christ shouldn't bring this kind contention. It should bring feelings of light and truth (Galations 5:22). I know for myself through the power of the holy ghost. I testify to you that the the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored through the prophet Joseph Smith. I know for myself that the priesthood authority to properly administer saving ordinances such as baptism & the gift of the holy ghost by the laying of hands is again on the earth and very much alive. These are glorious blessings Peter. We welcome you with open arms and humble hearts.

      Here is the modern day prophet of God-Thomas S. Monson...

      June 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
  7. Indy

    Everyone is missing the "BIG PICTURE" here. So the GOP nominated Nixon instead of Romney Sr. in 1968 – how did that ultimately work out for the United States? Years were wasted in scandal (Watergate) and government mistrust. It’s too bad the voters did not shut Nixon down in the primaries of 1968. Hopefully in November 2012 Americans will not be overcome by religious bigotry. Shut the corrupt Obama dictatorship down by voting for Mitt Romney.

    June 22, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      Funny! I was pretty enraged about how fake government was back in 2000 when Dubya and his cronies orchestrated the coup that took over of the White House (via SCOTUS). And that wasn't enough! NO! Because in 2004, we had to put up with Republican Diebold manufacturing a lot of the voting machines that just happened to be used in the state that just happened to be the "battleground state" (OHIO) that decided the election! BS! You wanna talk about TRUST!?

      June 22, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • shep

      If the United States commits the sin of electing a Mormon president, Jesus Christ will reach down and wipe America off the face of the earth. To vote for Romney is blasphemy.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Seriously

      Wow you are afraid of mormons when you have people like Shep with these beliefs.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  8. Voice of Reason

    All religions are cults, period. They should be banned from our government and our schools. They offer zero, nothing, absolute zero, nothing. Correction, they offer delusional, detrimental and destructive behavior. Their premise is based on fear and they are all weak in critical thinking.

    June 22, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Evangelical

      They cannot be banned – that would be infringing on the free exercise of religion.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Voice of Reason


      Guess what? They are already limited by consti*tutional law, proven. Banned is on my wish list.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • Dom

      Religion gives man something to live for ... it fills the void that is present in all humans. Most people believe what they do because they want to believe. It gives them a sense of purpose, morality and direction. Even if there was undisputed proof that all religions were wrong, I would not release the information because it would cause chaos.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Voice of Reason


      So, let us not seek the truth and keep the masses deluded? Fail.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Dom – most theists believe simply because that is how they were raised.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Dom

      @ Voice of Reason
      I understand what you are saying. I think I could have phrased my last sentence better. As of today there are many people that would be just fine if religion were proven false but just as many are irrational and would lash out (violently) if presented with such evidence. I am in no way saying to stop looking for the truth... I am saying that if / when the truth is found it would need to be slowly integrated. A world wide headline saying that man made religion has been proven wrong would likely cause war on the largest level in human history.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  9. Cecil

    Will Mitt take the oath of office on the Book of Mormon?

    June 22, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • .

      No, he will not. We are Christians in the fullest sense of the word and the Bible is perfectly acceptable to us.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Cecil

      "are Christians in the fullest sense of the word"...

      LOL – except that part where you baptise the dead and follow Joseph Smith and follow your own made up book. You can call yourselves "Christian" all you want, but you are by no means "Christians in the fullest sense of the word". A real Christian doesn't follow false prophets.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How do you know it's a 'false prophet', Cecil?

      June 22, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • peter

      tom–"i have another gospel for you and it is the word of God" thats how you know it is from the evil one--tom,reject the religion of your father and break free the chains of darkness and slavery

      June 22, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You idiot, I'm not a Mormon. Furthermore, I didn't ask you. I asked Cecil.

      How do you know your prophets are genuine and not false? Because they said so?

      June 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  10. peter

    no sreename–i say as does christendom that your prophet is a liar and that the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is not the word of God... When you reject the religion of joeseph smith and curse him and his christ than we can talk about christendom ,trinity or the bible-but you must reject the antichrist

    June 22, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • .

      Come on now, Peter, you want a false prophet? Here is a false prophet.

      CNN) T– More than 160 years after its founding as a pro-slavery church, the Southern Baptist Convention on Tuesday elected a black pastor for the first time to lead the denomination.
      The election of the Rev. Fred Luter Jr. of New Orleans comes 17 years after Southern Baptist leaders apologized for the denomination's onetime support of white supremacist and segregationist policies.

      It also cements years of effort by the church to overcome that divisive heritage.

      The false prophets are the evangelicals. Why won't you accept the obvious?

      June 22, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • peter

      no sreename-it has nothing to do with racism–i stand by the words above as does christendom

      June 22, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • .

      Oops, i meant to post this one:

      Harold Camping, the Northern California preacher whose radio ministry spent millions of dollars last year predicting a fiery apocalypse that failed to materialize has apologized to his followers in an open letter, saying “we humbly acknowledge we were wrong” and “we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world.”

      June 22, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • peter

      no sreename–some people believe in the rapture some don't from their interpretation of the bible–They are still part of christendom wether there is a rapture or not
      If you believe that the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the word of God-you sir are not a christian

      June 22, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • .

      Peter, that makes absolutely no sense! I don't believe the word rapture is even in the Bible. Where in the world did you invent that?

      June 22, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • peter

      No screename–reject the cursed christ and his book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ preached and written by joeseph smith......That harold camping or the rapture has nothing to di with your religion

      June 22, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  11. asdf

    maybe because mormons are the most recent in a long line of stupid people who believe in sky fairies

    June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • asdf

      *magic* sky fairies...

      June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am |
  12. .

    If Paul were here today, what church would he belong to? Paul actually answered that question in 1 Corinthians, " 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
    12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
    13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
    14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, abut Crispus and Gaius;
    15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name."
    It is pretty obvious that Paul would not approve of the Lutheran church, or the Methodist, or the Baptist or any of the evangelical churches of the day. He said himself that he would only belong to the Church of Jesus Christ, and if he were alive today, he would belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Days. You can learn more at mormon.org.

    June 22, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • .

      Paul would be absolutely disgusted by the Mega Churches who sell the word of God and rake in millions. Ron Hubbard was heard to say that if he wanted to make a million dollars, he would start a church, and that is exactly what he did. Christianity has apostatized from the truth! Jeremiah said, " 11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit. " 13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water."
      People no longer worship idols but they have replaced the idols with false churches – churches who preach watered down Christianity, churches which have no power to save them from their sins; churches that have no priesthood authority to perform the sacred ordinances, churches led by uninspired usurpers who pardon sinners in exchange for their money! Well did Christ say of them, "1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10) Of these he will say, " 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." A man or woman who is too proud to admit they are wrong and accept the truth will never see the Kingdom of God!
      “22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

      June 22, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • shep

      When the Bible speaks of false prophets, this is exactly what it refers to. Scary post.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • peter

      It is better for ron hubbard than it is joeseph smith. You are correct that ron hubbard started his own religion but he never came in the name of christ nor did he write a book claiming it to be another gospel.
      It would of been better for joeseph smith if he was never born

      June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am |
  13. HeavenSent

    Mormonism is a cult created 200 years ago PERIOD. It is not Christian. It is the words from a con and delusional man.


    June 22, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Dom

      "Mormonism is a cult created 200 years ago PERIOD. It is the words from a con and delusional man."

      As much as you make hate the fact, Mormonism is Christianity, it is.

      And the Jews say:
      Christianity is a cult created 2000 years ago PERIOD. It is the words from a con and delusional man.

      Think about it.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      And not only that, but Greeks decry that Jews lifted the idea of hell from their preexisting Hades concept. Or maybe it was the Persians who made up heaven and hell first with Zoroastrianism? Or maybe it was the Egyptians who introduced the concept of a 'god' figure that resurrects after 3 days? Go figure that a religion would have been around BEFORE the Jews even started writing their version(s) down!

      June 22, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Dom

      Dont forget the Pagans.

      good post Zeus

      June 22, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  14. Cecil

    Mormonism is a cult. If you knew what Mormons practiced you wouldn't want these filthy cultists in the White House!

    I can't believe evangelicals will vote for a man who thinks Joseph Smith was a prophet of God too. It would be blasphemous to support this evil cult member!

    June 22, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • peter

      im not and i suspect alot of republicans will be sitting out the gen as well.

      June 22, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Dom

      "Evangelism refers preaching the Christian Gospel or to the practice of relaying information about a particular set of beliefs to others with the object of conversion."

      Mormons do exactly this ... so why are you surprised that Evangelists would support Mormons? Their systems of beliefs are closer to each other then with modern Christianity.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • other david

      Cecil and Peter are of the same ilk. Sadly I suppose you both believe that you are on God's errand by tearing others down. Peter only knows how to 'curse' others including Christ. Cecil prefers to use derogatory insults like 'cultist'. Both spew lies and hatred and do nothing to promote unity in this country. Both are blinded by their bias and will sit on their hands and pout during this general election.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • peter

      I don't curse jesus christ–there is only one jesus christ –joeseph smith did by claiming an imposter as mr smith who lived in the 1800s was always a liar. I curse the christ of joeseph smith, i curse the christ of the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • otherdavid

      Peter– the Christ of joseph smith and the Christ in the book of mormon is the one born of the virgin mary in bethlehem. The son of God and savior of the world. So yeah....you are cursing Christ.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  15. nottolate


    "nottolate–the Bible is Mormon scripture, as well as the Book of Mormon. Mormons believe both books are scripture. There is nothing in them that contradicts. Rather, there are NUMEROUS things in the Book of Mormon that support the Bible as scripture, and vice-versa."

    Well let's see if you're telling the truth or lying shall we?

    BiBle: There is only one God. (Dt 6:4; 33:26-27; Isa 43:10; 45:5; 46:9; 1Ti 2:5)
    Mormons:There are many Gods. Brigham Young-Journal of Discourses 7:333 "How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods.


    Bible: The Bible is most explicit in stating that God is not a man (Nu 23:19; 1Sa 15:29; Hos 11:9). God the Father, the eternal God is Spirit (Isa 55:8-9; 6:1-5; 57:15; Pss 90:2; 113:5-6; 123:1; Jn 4:24: 8:23) Jesus said that a spirit does not have flesh and bones (Lk 24:39)
    Mormons: God the Father is an exalted man (a man who has progressed to godhood) with a body of flesh and bones.

    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1973 ed., p. 346 – "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in a form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man."
    D & C 130:22 "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also."


    Bible: God the Father has always existed as such (Dt 33:27; Isa 43:10; 44:6; 45:5, 21; 46:9; Mal 3:6; 1Co 8:4; 1Ti 2:5; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13).
    As Psalms 90:2 and 93:2 state, God has been God "from eternity to eternity."
    Mormons: God the Father became a God after learning truth, aggressively pursuing godhood, and being obedient to the laws of the gospel.

    So we find that you are in fact lying. Want more?

    June 22, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When I read your posts, all I can envision is Elmer Fudd throwing lightning bolts at Bugs Bunny.

      June 22, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • peter

      The fact that the mormons or lds claim that their gospel is the word of God is heresy and blasphemy

      June 22, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • .

      It is the Protestants and Catholics who have changed the true doctrine. A good example is the Nicene creed. The Nicene Creed is nowhere in the Bible. It was totally fabricated by Constantine and his council of pagans, Capadocians, Nicenes, Gnostics, Arians, Apolinarians, Greek mystics and others who had an agenda. Constantine didn't know any doctrine. He just wanted peace in his empire from all the factions who were fighting over doctrine. He just settled for the first thing that the majority could agree with. The sad thing is that there were probably people there who knew the truth, but couldn't prevail over all the other factions – doctrine by committee! Paul would not have approved of the mess christianity is in. He said, "5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Ephesians 4) Obviously, there can not be more than one true church or more than one true doctrine. The question is, which one? We invite all to visit mormon.org for the answer. Christ taught the true doctrine of the Godhead when he suffered himself to be baptized by John. In Luke 3:21,22 we read, "21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
      22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
      This is the true doctrine of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which was taught by the Bible – that the Father and Son are two separate beings.  Funny, the smartest religious leaders have been reading the Bible for 2000 years but it took a 14 year old boy to point out the obvious!

      June 22, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • peter

      no name screename-for once we have an honest mormon who is not afraid to say what he believes

      He is correct, if the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the word of God than all of chritendom is in error and heresy.

      However, the fact is joeseph smith was a liar and false prophet–cursed is he and the christ he preached and wrote about in the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • .

      You say that God has not a body of flesh and bones, yet you know that Christ had a body of flesh and bones and was crucified and resurrected with that body of flesh and bones and still resides in heaven to this day with that body of flesh and bones? Astonishing! Absolutely astonishing!

      Really, people, do you even know what you believe?

      June 22, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Andrew

      Facts about Mormonism:

      Moroni is an angel. Moroni started out as a prophet- a person. The bible teaches that angels envied man- as God made man in his image. Contradiction. This is one of many. The new testament is not compatible with the religion.

      The bible has only been edited to correct translations.The book of Mormon has been edited for content.

      Mormonism is not a Christian religion.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • other david

      Wasn't your original premise that the bible and book of mormon contradicted each other? And yet nowhere in your 'proof' do you actually quote the book of mormon. That doesn't make you a liar necessarily but it does show you as incompetent.

      And yes....Peter, I get it. Joseph smith is cursed, blah blah blah, I am cursed, blah blah blah.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • otherdavid

      Andrew-You know what's weird...if the book of mormon has been edited for content why would the LDS church still make original copies available? Shouldn't they be hiding that away somewhere? Your point about the bible being edited for translations is exactly why a book of mormon is necessary. 30 versions of the bible is a little extreme for something that is supposed to be infallibly correct? What ever happened to Paul's 1 Lord 1 Faith 1 Baptism?? It is more like 3-1 Lord, 1000 Faiths, Optional Baptism.

      As to your logic stream about angels envying man therefore mormons are not christian.....huh??

      June 23, 2012 at 7:09 am |
  16. IslandAtheist

    Iit's because Mormonism is less believable than Santa Claus?

    June 22, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Lilith

      Now THAT I believe!

      June 22, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • Seriously

      I know a giant "BOOM" of matter that we don't know how it was created is so much more believable.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Seriously .. a giant boom based on physics IS more believable than an anthropomorphized omnipotent being that we don't know how it was created and then just happened to know how to create a universe.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
  17. Reality

    (Only for new members of this blog)

    “John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident (the randomness) of birth i.e. Mr. Romney. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

    The Situation Today
    Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed. “ J. Somerville

    It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to randomness of birth. Maybe, just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

    June 22, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  18. baguioboy

    I can't say this concerns me. More educated voters apparently have no problem with Romney's faith (just a small percent of post-docs) and I think Democrats would fall in line if one of their own ran, like Harry Reid (not that I see that happening). There were, sadly, some Republicans uncomfortable with voting for a Black man, and Obama did fine.

    June 22, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Cecil

      A black man doesn't blaspheme God by his existence. A mormon does. Any evangelical who votes for a cultist like Mitt Romney is supporting a blasphemer.

      June 22, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Says who? You? You're not god, are you?

      The bible? What if the bible isn't anything but a book of stories with no basis in fact at all?

      Who says it's "blasphemy"? Your god? Funny, my god says your god is a big wuss and doesn't have any authority at all.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  19. If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

    When a presidential candidate actually has the gnads to admit they are Atheist I will camp outside my voting site to cast my ballot .. that's providing they are also the best qualified candidate of course (and being Atheist would certainly be a giant step in that direction).

    June 22, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Thinker

      Unfortunatly an athiest wouldn't even be nominated by the parties, nor if they were, would they have a chance at the election. Too many people believe that athiests are 'bad'. This view has been common since Christianity became dominant. In the middle ages being an athiest meant you were by default excommunicated and therfore no Christian could aid you or trade with you. Many equate lack of belief with worship of the devil for some reason as well, though I'm not really sure where that comes from. Durring the cold war, athiesm was linked to communism and if you were athiest it was assumed you were also communist (thanks McCarthy). It will be a while before athiesm becomes acceptable enough to run for high office; far to much prejudice to overcome (and some 'athiests' don't help at all with their 'religion is evil, death to religion' intolerant cr.ap.)

      June 22, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Dom

      Atheists have the same problems as almost every other religion. Christians stomp their foot down and say THERE IS A GOD AND JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD AND OUR SAVIOR! Atheists stomp their foot down and say THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU ARE ALL STUPID FOR BELIEVING!

      There is no scientific, factual evidence that "god" exists or that Jesus Christ was indeed the son of god. But there is no proof that one does not exist either. Drawing a conclusion against something based on lack of evidence from the opposition's argument is just as obtuse as believing in something w/ no real proof.

      Some people think that Agnostic is a cop-out but it actually the most intelligent stance until we learn something new.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Dom .. They are NOT equally obtuse. One side IS making a claim with absolutely no evidence, the other side is NOT. Your mistake is believing the Atheist is making a claim, we do not .. we just don't believe the other's claim.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • OldSchool

      @Dom – actually agnostics and atheists in a practical sense tend to fall into the same category, people just call themselves "agnostic" out of ignorance, shame, or fear. As an atheist, I don't completely discount the possibility of the existence of a god, just as I don't immediately discount any other claim. I just require the same level of proof to substantiate that claim as any other, and so far no such evidence has been presented, and until that point I will remain an atheist by definition. The view of agnosticism is that the existence of a god or gods is "unknowable", which is an intellectually lazy position. In practical use, people who define themselves as "agnostic" would generally fall into the atheist category, they just use the term because it is more socially acceptable.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Dom

      Atheists do make a claim ... they claim that there is no deity.

      Agnostics simply believe that the truth is unknown and they are unwilling to say there is a god or there is not a god because neither side has proven anything.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Dom .. my point is that NOT believing is not a claim, it's just lack of belief (A-theism [no-theism]). Belivers DO make a claim. As for agnostics .. everyone is agnostic since no one "knows", theists and a-theists simply believe their point of view.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • OldSchool

      @Dom – I have lost count of how many times this statement has appeared in this thread but it needs to be repeated until it sinks in: you CANNOT LOGICALLY PROVE A NEGATIVE ASSERTION. Atheism makes no claims that require vetting, it is a default position, a base level. It is the people of various religious faiths that are making positive claims that require verification via the presentation of evidence to support them. The burden of proof lies with the claimant, and as of this moment no such concrete and verifiable evidence has been presented...

      June 22, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  20. ElBroke-oh!

    @ Willam Demuth

    It's why we rule the world? You mean it might have been a factor WHEN you used to rule the world. Even the British held it longer.

    June 22, 2012 at 10:22 am |
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