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June 21st, 2012
09:40 AM ET

Harsh anti-gay preaching alarms gay rights supporters and Christian conservatives alike

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - The little boy with a buzz cut shows no sign of nervousness as he sings in front of the church congregation.

Dressed in a pressed white shirt and blue sweater vest, he holds the microphone and sings that the Bible is right, then lets loose the line that brings whoops from the congregation: "Ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven."

Next to him, an adult beams as worshippers rise to their feet and cheer.

The scene was captured on video and anonymously posted online, receiving hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube since the end of May. It appears to show a service at the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, Indiana.

The church quickly posted on its website that its pastor and members "do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason."

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But the chubby boy with the buzz cut isn't the only one going viral with harshly worded anti-gay pronouncements in church.

In recent weeks, Pastor Charles Worley in North Carolina preached that lesbians and gay men should be fenced in and left to die out, while Pastor Curtis Knapp in Kansas said the government should kill homosexuals.

"They won't, but they should," Knapp said, according to a recording of his sermon posted online. Worley’s sermon was captured on video and also went viral.

The incidents drew outrage and condemnation from gay rights supporters.

But they also left many Christians uncomfortable - even those who call themselves conservative.

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One leading expert on American Protestantism has a simple explanation for why some pastors preach against homosexuality while others go further, encouraging violence against gay people.

"There is a significant percentage who think it's a sin," Ed Stetzer said of homosexuality. "And there are a small minority who are stupid."

Stetzer is president of LifeWay Research, which is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Worley and Knapp both belong to Independent Baptist churches and are not part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States.

Many conservative Christians would agree with pastors such as Worley and Knapp that homosexual behavior is fundamentally wrong, Stetzer said.

But that doesn't mean they support them or their sermons, he added.

"If you asked, they would say that's really unhelpful and stupid," he said.

But the Rev. Robin Lunn said these preachers are much worse than that. She calls such pastors "genocidal."

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"If someone is talking about rounding up me and all my kind in a pen, what is the difference between that and what is happening in Syria and Sudan and what happened in Germany and Poland during World War II?" asked Lunn, executive director of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists.

"We are talking about people who believe somehow that the Second Coming is connected to a Final Solution," said Lunn, a lesbian, using the Nazi term for the mass murder of Jews in the Holocaust.

"I think these men expressed something that many Baptist preachers think," Lunn said. "We need to stand up and denounce this powerfully."

Her group campaigns for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender inclusion across all Baptist churches. It has its origins in the American Baptist Churches movement but is not connected to any one Baptist group or denomination, she said.

"It seems to me that this is an opportunity to show some solidarity around the belief that all people are children of God regardless of what you think about someone's 'lifestyle,' " she said.

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One of the most respected voices in conservative Christianity agrees with Lunn, up to a point.

"The Gospel does not condemn homosexuals, it condemns homosexuality," said R. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. "The Bible makes clear that homosexuality is a sin, in the context of making clear that every person is a sinner."

What preachers such as Worley and Knapp are doing wrong, he said, is that they are "not merely rendering a moral judgment on homosexuality but extending it to the condemnation of people. They are speaking with a certain venom and hatred."

He called their sermons "reprehensible."

And, he said, "they are doing grave harm to the cause of conservative Christianity by speaking messages of hate that obscure the message of the church."

"What you're seeing here is a very dangerous fringe that does not represent conservative Christianity in America," he said.

About one-third of Protestant pastors talk to their congregations about homosexuality several times a year, while another third do so "rarely," data from LifeWay Research suggests.

The rest do so anywhere from never to several times a month, according to a 2008 telephone survey of 1,002 Protestant pastors across the country and a wide range of denominations.

Half of the pastors who preached about homosexuality several times a year identified themselves as "very conservative," while a quarter of those who did said they were liberal or very liberal.

LifeWay’s Stetzer argued that it was important to remember that many Americans - not just Christian pastors - think homosexuality is wrong.

A Gallup Poll last month found that 54% of Americans saw homosexuality as "morally acceptable," while 42% said it was "morally wrong."

"This is not a small minority," Stetzer said. "Are all of those people going to be tarred by the comments of a few pastors?"

The sermons of Worley, Knapp and those like them do not have a great influence, Stetzer said, calling them "isolated."

"I've never heard of or seen a violent confrontation" that resulted from Christian preaching, he said.

But Ross Murray, director of religion, faith and values at the gay rights group Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, said it's not that simple.

"When pastors preach they want people to listen to their words and pay attention to them," he said. "It's an exhortation to believe and think and act in accordance with the Gospel."

And he said he's not worried only about people who might act on violent preaching they hear in church. He said he's also concerned about young churchgoers grappling with being gay or lesbian themselves.

"You get brought to church; you have told nobody about this and you hear your pastor preaching or this child singing. What this tells you is that the church is not a safe place, not a place where you are going to experience love and grace," he said.

Pastors such as Worley and Knapp "give Christianity a bad name," he said.

And more than that, they are dangerous, he said. There were a record number of murders of members of sexual minorities in the United States last year, he said, citing a study out this month by the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs.

He conceded that no link has been proven between preaching and attacks on homosexuals, but he argued that preaching matters.

"To say that people shouldn't take you seriously when you say something violent is disingenuous. Our words have consequences," Murray said. "Our words have real meaning."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Christianity • Homosexuality

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  1. A question for Christians

    Okay, so some Christians say that only select parts of the Old Testament, but that others are not in force. However, all seem to agree that the New Testament should be obeyed. Is that correct? The New Testament is an infallible basis for morality? Is that right?

    June 21, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • The Birs Is The Word

      They don't go for logic, you know, just like they won't go for this:

      God Is A Nudist

      Before all you Christians get all worked up, read this first and tell me where my logic fails:

      According to the Bible, Adam and Eve were created in God's image. They were created naked. Therefore, God was naked. Adam and Eve weren't aware of their nakedness until they sinned & became ashamed of their nakedness. Their shame drove them to clothe themselves. Am I right so far? Yep. Now, because God didn't sin – indeed, can not sin, God had no reason to be ashamed of his nakedness and cloth himself.

      Now, having established that God was, is, and will always be naked (The eternal God, you know), let's carry this a bit
      further. For one to get to heaven, one must be washed clean of sin. Without sin, there is no shame. Without shame, one
      wears no clothes.

      Imagine the Horrors Of Heaven! EVERYBODY NAKED! Naked old women! Naked old men! Naked GOD! I can't stand it!

      AIIIIEEEEEE!

      June 22, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • The Bird Is The Word

      Correction: It's Bird, not Birs.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • Topher

      Hi, question

      This is how it works to the best of my understanding ... you can break down all the OT laws into 3 categories. Moral law, priestly law and laws given strictly to those people at that time. Moral is the 10 Commandments. This is still in force. Priestly laws have passed away because of Jesus' work. The others are no longer in force because ... well, they were for those people at that time (the rules against pork and the mixing of fibers and such things).

      Okay, so some Christians say that only select parts of the Old Testament, but that others are not in force. However, all seem to agree that the New Testament should be obeyed. Is that correct? The New Testament is an infallible basis for morality? Is that right?

      June 22, 2012 at 1:41 am |
    • James

      The bible is not like reading directions for your new power saw. You have to understand history, culture of each time period. There is a huge time diff between old and new testament. The new testament has many writings and teachings of Jesus himself and His disciples. Many people ask the question you did to set a trap.....sounds like thats where you are going...right?
      After Christ was killed, rose from the grave, then went back to heaven.....the beginning of the church was formed....the disciples had to go through many trials to take the gospel into the world around them. If you want to learn about the New Testament, you should study it yourself – it is truly amazing

      June 22, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • Keith

      The Birs Is The Word, First off, I don't think you really WANT an answer, but for other onlookers, here goes: Adam and Eve tried to "cover" their sin in their own way-with fig leaves. God, however, requires a blood sacrifice for the remission of sins-it wasn't so much that He covered them with the skins as it was that He had to shed blood to cover their sin. This was a precursor to the shedding of Christ's blood on the cross for the remission of our sins. Yet people to this day, still try to do it "their" way-usually thru good works, but the ONLY acceptable WAY is the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. God accepts ONLY what Christ did as payment for our sins. The baffling thing to me is just how many people reject the free gift.

      June 22, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Nice work James

      June 22, 2012 at 9:06 am |
  2. Truth be told

    The only people that really care about the gays and their souls in the long term are the Christians.

    All the other mollycoddling by these so called 'gay supporters' a.k.a atheists is just bunkum and a pretense.

    June 21, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
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      And only massah lub de slaves!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Kat

      OMG You are delusional!! LOL

      June 22, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  3. Evangelical

    I don't condemn those preachers. Sometimes it takes harsh rhetoric to wake people up. Otherwise we are on a steady march to ho-mos-exual acceptance. We need to put a stop to this depravity and say this far and no farther.

    June 21, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Because?

      June 21, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Eva, why do you think anyone needs to "put a stop" to gay marriage?

      June 21, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • Sapient

      You're right; we do need to put a stop to this depravity. The depravity of these insane preachers who spew hatred and violence.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, yeah, not to mention the crazy Keiths who think the President is a Muslim!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Keith

      Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
      God put a stop to their bs once. He'll do it again.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Sapient

      Using the bible to make a point to people who don't believe it has any basis in reality doesn't make any sense intellectually. You may as well be quoting from Alice in Wonderland.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Bet

      Eva, you don't know what the bible says most of the time, yet you condemn anyone who doesn't believe it exactly the way you want them to. It's not even about god, it's all you, you, you.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • Nope!

      Yep, Keith, God will do it again! And His people will be GLAD!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Nope

      I think you mean GLAAD.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      If you want to halt a rush to depravity, eliminate the tax exemptions to churches

      June 22, 2012 at 5:32 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      My understanding of the book of 1 Corinthians is that the rules on immorality apply only to those within the community of faith. Unbelievers are to be left to their own devices.

      June 22, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Otherwise we are on a steady march to ho-mos-exual acceptance. We need to put a stop to this depravity and say this far and no farther."

      The experts have proven you WRONG. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 22, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  4. Keith

    1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    June 21, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, KEEF! Have you finally realized that Obama isn't Muslim and was born in this country?

      June 21, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Keith

      Kinda looking like that qu.eer sob jerry sandusky won't be there. He's being sized for a milstone around g^y neck at this very moment.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Keith

      Are you talking about Barry Soetoro?

      June 21, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you don't have anything of value to add, honey? Still think Obama is a 'furrier' and a Muslim?

      June 21, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Edit: "furriner" (damn auto-correct!)

      June 21, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Keith

      Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and wh.oremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
      You and the "one" you seem to worship just don't seem to have much of a future, tomilina.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ooooh, booga, booga, booga! I'm a-shakin'.

      We're all gonna diiiieeeee!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Sapient

      Faith is not a virtue. It's the glorification of insanity and voluntary ignorance.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • Keith

      booga, booga??? Go change your Depends there, tom. Rinse your teeth in Efferdent and go to bed. Lights out in the nursing home was 15 minutes ago.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • Keith

      And tom, try not to dislocate your hip.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      Keith: Good to see you back. Glad you still have the bible jammed up your rectum. It entertains us.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:34 am |
    • YeahRight

      "1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

      Nowhere in that statement is it condemning the loving long term relationship of a gay couple that has been married before their god. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 22, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  5. John

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son...I do not fear you or your vile words or your yellow-haired father. I will take on billions of people like you. All I need is the Lord's great power. People like you are the wicked children of Lucifer who is the yellow-haired fallen one that you follow. STOP judging the Church and the children of God! The Lord will judge what is His. He will even judge you. Repent!

    June 21, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Pslshhst! Dude, my dad had hair that was black as night.

      Got anything else, you delusional sh!twitted fvcktard?

      June 21, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • The Black Knight

      It's only a flesh wound!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Psychiatric Ward

      John, you know you aren't allowed to use the computer after hours! Now put on this nice jacket with the extra-long sleeves!

      And here's the little syringe that'll make you ALL BETTER, dear.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • We know the truth...

      Ever heard of Poe's Law?? Look it up...

      June 21, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      LOL@John

      Oh man that was some funny sh.it.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I know, dude, really!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • John has revealed the truthy truth

      Jesus is always portrayed as having yellow hair, despite being from a region of dark-haired people. That can only mean that Jesus was Satan, and considering how "god" acts in the Bible and the horrific afterlife in store for everyone (kiss ass or burn), I think the evidence indeed supports that conclusion.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  6. TR6

    @John 7:24:”Read this before you quote the atheist's favorite Bible passage”

    Oh no! My favorite bible passage is where Lot (god’s man, Mr. righteous himself) impregnates his 2 virgin daughters and god blesses the children

    June 21, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Lott the righteous also offers his two vïrgïn duaghters to the unruly crowd to do with as they see fit so that this crowd will not bother the "men" who just entered his house.

      Yep, giving up your two vïrgin daughters to an angry mob of men is a real Christian family value alright.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
  7. Surthurfurd

    Kilburn states "1) Its not society's business to subsidize or support something just because it happens to make the participants (at least temporarily) happy."
    This means we no longer need to subsidize religious groups by excusing them from taxes?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Matthew Kilburn

      ...or for that matter, other charities?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      Religious groups are not charities.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  8. Surthurfurd

    Why did Jesus preach love and so many pretend followers preach hate?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • We know the truth...

      Because the only way they can feel good about their own pathetic lives is to look down on others... And religion is a perfect excuse for such hatred.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
  9. Surthurfurd

    So if a person is born a hermaphrodite.. does that mean they are innately in sin if they find someone to love?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • Wicked Wanda

      Surferturd

      What if they fall in love with themselves? Now you've got a problem.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
  10. Matthew Kilburn

    Take religion out of it completely. You still can't make a solid case for allowing Gay Marriage. It, and the messages it sends, are completely counter to the interests of society.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      What case is there against it?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      how is a stable, consensual, monogamous relationship counter to society?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sez you. And your qualifications are?

      Who put you in charge of what's "best" for society, nimrod?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • We know the truth...

      You think equality, freedom and justice for all are "Completely counter to the interestes of society?? You must be another conservative who thinks that freedom only applies to those who agree with you... That's not freedom. It's oppression. Freedom is giving rights to people you DISAGREE with.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • Matthew Kilburn

      The case against it?

      1) Its not society's business to subsidize or support something just because it happens to make the participants (at least temporarily) happy.

      2) Supporting gay marriage goes against the interests of society to support traditional relationships and procreation – which are essential to our future as a strong country.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Then why aren't straight couples required to procreate, you moron?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      So a couple who can not have children should not get married or they should divorce if they do get married?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How is allowing gay marriage 'subsidizing' anything that straight marriage does not have, dearie?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How is recognizing the privileges of marriage akin to "subsidizing" anything? Since when?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Matthew Kilburn

      Note I said encourage, not require. The problem with gay marriage is that it redefines what marriage is all about – it says that children are irrelevant, and the only thing that matters is that the two adults are happy together. Not only could such messages reduce the number of people who decide to have children, but it could also raise the divorce rate.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Matthew

      Those are the weakest ass arguments against gay marriage I've ever seen.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahhhahhah. What an idiot. "Could raise the divorce rate"? "Such messages could reduce the number of people who decide to have children."

      Since when does this nation withhold equal treatment based on "could" and "might". Since when do the possible outcomes justify the denial of rights and privileges?

      No one could be this stupid.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      Matt Kilburn – there is no requirement of procreation or even fertility for marriage. your argument holds no water. all citizens that contribute to society, benefit society. regarless of marital status.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "What marriage is all about"? Since when is marriage "all about" procreation? Do straight couples have to sign some pledge that they will have kids? No? Then what the f are you blithering about, you idiot?

      June 21, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      "Since when does this nation withhold equal treatment based on "could" and "might". Since when do the possible outcomes justify the denial of rights and privileges?"

      Tom, a very impressive rebuttal.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, gosh, snow. Thanks!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • We know the truth...

      Marriage is "All about" procreation?? I love it when conservatives fail to include love in the equation... Says a lot about your own marriages.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      I wonder if Matthew is gonna run away now that he said something really stupid in the "marriage is for procreation" bullsh.it.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If he doesn't, he's too dumb to live.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Another loyal foot soldier for the "defence of marriage" – whatever that is supposed to mean.

      Legal marriage, as recognized by the state, as separate from sacramental marriage, which is the union celebrated within a church, have nothing to do with each other, except that it is convenient to complete the paperwork for both at the same time.

      There is no requirement for a married man and woman, married in a civil service to procreate.

      There is no reason that withholding equal rights to a category of people regarding legal marriage is in anyway harmful to the state. Arguably it is benefical to provide an infrastructure and motivation for people to continue to want to support each other.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Frankly gay marriage can only be good for the economy.

      Wedding planners/caterers/venues will be delighted to host fabulous weddings, and divorce lawyers will end up with lots of extra business too.

      Furthermore, the 'sanct.ty of marriage' in this country is anything but. With a divorce rate at around 50%, and as 'popular' with Evangelicals as anyone else, I don't see how anyone can defend the idea of "what God has joined, let no man put asunder", excepting of course, the person(s) she/he or both fooled around with or she/he who decides they need to be 'free to be themselves'.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Kathy

      So, if Steve and Steve get married, you can't have kids?, do I have that right?

      June 22, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
  11. whybs on twitter

    Perfect example of Christian love (I.e. hypocrisy)! You can bet that this pastor beats off! 🙂

    We should send all Christians to heaven using high-voltage power lines. If their god cares about them, it ain't harm them! 🙂

    June 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
  12. Woody

    Jesus if he was was but a Jewish man born on the continent of Asia at Asia Minor and most Christians don't even know that much .

    June 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
  13. csx

    The hatred of Christianity is amazing.
    Islam gets a pass after destroying a couple of zip codes in New York.
    Every knee shall bow and tongue confess, Jesus is Lord.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Have you sought counseling?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      the fabled "christian persecution syndrome". always good for a laugh.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • sam stone

      The arrogance of Christians is amazing

      June 22, 2012 at 5:36 am |
  14. Surthurfurd

    Jesus went into the temple and became angry because of the profiteering off of religion. American Christianity is often about profit .

    June 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
  15. Naz

    It's disgusting to see the media focused on anti gay speeches at Churches, although Christians belie e it is a sin but never call to execute gays, but totally ignore Muslim preachers in mosques and elsewhere when they publicly and loudly call to kill and murder all non Muslims and their hatred and terror speech ..l wonder which one is a serious threat to humanity?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      I bet you learned about the Muslim hatred from the news media.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      i know many muslims and have never heard one suggest the murder of other religions. i call BS. have you ever heard one yourself or have you just been listening to too much talk radio.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
  16. Woody

    The bible is a book with compiled stories that were bound together by people within the church that kept all of the things they did not want out of the bible and made it to their own liking . God nor Jesus wrote the book . The original book was put together 300 years after Jesus and it was written in Greek . Churches will tell you what ever keeps the dollars rolling in . Its a power and money thing and the people at the top would rather everyone stay as uneducated as the stories were that were written by people 2000 years ago . The world was very different back then but there are others that still enjoy the ignorance of people of 2000 years ago . The bible is a book .Thats all . From a former altar boy that has traveled the world .

    June 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
  17. Andrew

    God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Yes there is a Heaven and a Hell. Most of the gays will probably go to hell which is really sad. The reason why there is a lot of gays is because we are living at end times. You are a fool if you dont believe our Lord Jesus Christ!

    June 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You ought to be sent to Hell for being an unoriginal bore.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      You never bought things on Sunday?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      hell is an imaginary place with which to scare the kiddies.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Nope!

      Nope!.... it's not an imaginary place!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gee, the "end times".

      Thanks the update.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:39 am |
    • sam stone

      Get off your knees, b1tch, and try to be a man.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:41 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Sammy Boy, .How do you think you can tell someone to be a man when you apparently don't' know what does it mean to be one?!
      Why don't you try first to become one yourself!

      June 22, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Primewonk

      Prism appears to be yet another ignorant fundiot who doesn't even understand the difference between gender and orientation.

      June 22, 2012 at 9:11 am |
  18. Surthurfurd

    I wonder how many of these people violate the 10 Commandments at the same time as pointing to tribal notes on sin?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  19. MarkinDayton

    Can't wait for gay marriage to be legalized because I am in love with my sister and I want to marry my sister. I just had a vasectomy so it is not possible to have children. My sister is an adult and both of us can consent. If they allow gays to marry there will be no justification to deny us that same right

    June 21, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Get a hobby, herbie.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      A slippery slope fallacy, who could've guessed this would come up. It is such a surprise.

      /sarcasm

      June 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • sn0wb0arder

      a common fallacious argument. incestuous relationships are generally an authoritative abuse.

      you, junior, are spitting into the wind.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      If you want to marry your sister, and she wants to marry you, knock yourself out.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:42 am |
    • myweightinwords

      The taboo against marrying one's sibling or other close relative is a societal one, not a moral one. One need only look at the Royal heads of Europe to see that marrying half-siblings, cousins, etc, was common, accepted practice in the not so distant past.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:18 am |
  20. Sean

    My favorite bit in Scripture is (I realize it's a paraphrase) "Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone".
    It's really not our place to judge, now is it?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      You are party quoting Jesus.. Radical Christians have little to do with Jesus.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Sean,

      yes, John 8:11, it's a good bit. What's your definition of judging?

      I have not suggested that these hatemongerers be stoned or imprisoned for their act.

      They need to stop preaching hate speech masquerading as religion, and worthy Christians should be willing to stand up and say that what they are doing is wrong.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Nope!

      But it is our place to speak the truth and to tell people that there is a consequence for living contrary to God's laws. If you know that there is eternal Hell awaiting those who oppose themselves, would it not be a sin not to tell them and warn them? How do you define love, when you don't tell them the truth, but let people living in a lie, just so you can appear "loving" to them? My God has a name for those who don't speak the truth, becaue they fear what men would think or say! What's 'your' God saying?

      June 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
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