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June 21st, 2012
09:40 AM ET

Harsh anti-gay preaching alarms gay rights supporters and Christian conservatives alike

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - The little boy with a buzz cut shows no sign of nervousness as he sings in front of the church congregation.

Dressed in a pressed white shirt and blue sweater vest, he holds the microphone and sings that the Bible is right, then lets loose the line that brings whoops from the congregation: "Ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven."

Next to him, an adult beams as worshippers rise to their feet and cheer.

The scene was captured on video and anonymously posted online, receiving hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube since the end of May. It appears to show a service at the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, Indiana.

The church quickly posted on its website that its pastor and members "do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason."

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But the chubby boy with the buzz cut isn't the only one going viral with harshly worded anti-gay pronouncements in church.

In recent weeks, Pastor Charles Worley in North Carolina preached that lesbians and gay men should be fenced in and left to die out, while Pastor Curtis Knapp in Kansas said the government should kill homosexuals.

"They won't, but they should," Knapp said, according to a recording of his sermon posted online. Worley’s sermon was captured on video and also went viral.

The incidents drew outrage and condemnation from gay rights supporters.

But they also left many Christians uncomfortable - even those who call themselves conservative.

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One leading expert on American Protestantism has a simple explanation for why some pastors preach against homosexuality while others go further, encouraging violence against gay people.

"There is a significant percentage who think it's a sin," Ed Stetzer said of homosexuality. "And there are a small minority who are stupid."

Stetzer is president of LifeWay Research, which is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Worley and Knapp both belong to Independent Baptist churches and are not part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States.

Many conservative Christians would agree with pastors such as Worley and Knapp that homosexual behavior is fundamentally wrong, Stetzer said.

But that doesn't mean they support them or their sermons, he added.

"If you asked, they would say that's really unhelpful and stupid," he said.

But the Rev. Robin Lunn said these preachers are much worse than that. She calls such pastors "genocidal."

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"If someone is talking about rounding up me and all my kind in a pen, what is the difference between that and what is happening in Syria and Sudan and what happened in Germany and Poland during World War II?" asked Lunn, executive director of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists.

"We are talking about people who believe somehow that the Second Coming is connected to a Final Solution," said Lunn, a lesbian, using the Nazi term for the mass murder of Jews in the Holocaust.

"I think these men expressed something that many Baptist preachers think," Lunn said. "We need to stand up and denounce this powerfully."

Her group campaigns for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender inclusion across all Baptist churches. It has its origins in the American Baptist Churches movement but is not connected to any one Baptist group or denomination, she said.

"It seems to me that this is an opportunity to show some solidarity around the belief that all people are children of God regardless of what you think about someone's 'lifestyle,' " she said.

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One of the most respected voices in conservative Christianity agrees with Lunn, up to a point.

"The Gospel does not condemn homosexuals, it condemns homosexuality," said R. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. "The Bible makes clear that homosexuality is a sin, in the context of making clear that every person is a sinner."

What preachers such as Worley and Knapp are doing wrong, he said, is that they are "not merely rendering a moral judgment on homosexuality but extending it to the condemnation of people. They are speaking with a certain venom and hatred."

He called their sermons "reprehensible."

And, he said, "they are doing grave harm to the cause of conservative Christianity by speaking messages of hate that obscure the message of the church."

"What you're seeing here is a very dangerous fringe that does not represent conservative Christianity in America," he said.

About one-third of Protestant pastors talk to their congregations about homosexuality several times a year, while another third do so "rarely," data from LifeWay Research suggests.

The rest do so anywhere from never to several times a month, according to a 2008 telephone survey of 1,002 Protestant pastors across the country and a wide range of denominations.

Half of the pastors who preached about homosexuality several times a year identified themselves as "very conservative," while a quarter of those who did said they were liberal or very liberal.

LifeWay’s Stetzer argued that it was important to remember that many Americans - not just Christian pastors - think homosexuality is wrong.

A Gallup Poll last month found that 54% of Americans saw homosexuality as "morally acceptable," while 42% said it was "morally wrong."

"This is not a small minority," Stetzer said. "Are all of those people going to be tarred by the comments of a few pastors?"

The sermons of Worley, Knapp and those like them do not have a great influence, Stetzer said, calling them "isolated."

"I've never heard of or seen a violent confrontation" that resulted from Christian preaching, he said.

But Ross Murray, director of religion, faith and values at the gay rights group Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, said it's not that simple.

"When pastors preach they want people to listen to their words and pay attention to them," he said. "It's an exhortation to believe and think and act in accordance with the Gospel."

And he said he's not worried only about people who might act on violent preaching they hear in church. He said he's also concerned about young churchgoers grappling with being gay or lesbian themselves.

"You get brought to church; you have told nobody about this and you hear your pastor preaching or this child singing. What this tells you is that the church is not a safe place, not a place where you are going to experience love and grace," he said.

Pastors such as Worley and Knapp "give Christianity a bad name," he said.

And more than that, they are dangerous, he said. There were a record number of murders of members of sexual minorities in the United States last year, he said, citing a study out this month by the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs.

He conceded that no link has been proven between preaching and attacks on homosexuals, but he argued that preaching matters.

"To say that people shouldn't take you seriously when you say something violent is disingenuous. Our words have consequences," Murray said. "Our words have real meaning."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Christianity • Homosexuality

soundoff (1,795 Responses)
  1. pbernasc

    in Bigotry we Trust. Enough said

    June 21, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  2. jone

    Ah the daily Christian bash by the angry CNN misfits. Lets explore why CNN doesn't point out the pitfalls of Islam? Maybe because CHristians are easy targets since they don't declare a Fatwa any time someone is critical of their religion. When is the last time CNN ran a story on how churches provide food and shelter to the needy?

    June 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • midwest rail

      When your 1st line of defense is " Look at them, they're worse than we are ! ", you have already conceded defeat.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Tom

      The Christian word for 'fatwa' is 'crusade'. The last time it was used by a Christian in a position of power was the last president Bush. I know you would like to think of your faith as being enlightened but it isn't that far removed from the very things you accuse Islam of being.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Lisa

      My thoughts exactly! Gays are all happy, open-minded people while Christians are bigots and hate mongers. Good way to get people to not want to be associated with the word CHRISTIAN. I'm so sick of these stories putting this label on Christians!! These people teach hate and are false prophets! The media is so one-sided on stories!

      June 21, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • JJ

      Khristians deserved to be bashed, to a pulp. Nobody gives a flying intercourse about your beliefs, you backassward yahoos.

      June 21, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Lisa

      Did a gay person teach that little boy to sing a bigoted, hateful song? Were those gay people laughing and clapping about it? Did a gay person suggest that heteros be put behind electrical fences?

      Boo hoo hoo, you're so persecuted. Hypocrite.

      June 22, 2012 at 11:15 am |
  3. Justin Time

    What about the muslims?
    Are we going to examine thier Koran, and sermons?

    June 21, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • JJ

      Oh, so you're saying that it's ok because you think muslims think the same way as you do? And that makes it right? Why don't you just put a large piece of caca through your brain, m0r0n.

      June 21, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  4. Frank

    We judge with our minds because that's the only form of Christianity of which we are aware. We read the Bible and set ourselves up as judges because we think we know the mind of God. Our religious leaders and the people of God are raised on an academic forum, but the process of true transformation in spirit has been lost to antiquity. Aas result

    June 21, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  5. Mr Chihuahua

    I hope a plane crashes onto the kid's church and kills the whole congregation with mighty fire lol!

    June 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • sbg101

      Then you are on the same level as they are.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Nope

      Nope, cause their hate is unjustified.
      You aren't very good at thinking, are you?

      June 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  6. b4bigbang

    HawaiiGuest and HeavenSent should mate and produce offspring.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  7. Straight is Great

    Gays are digusting wastes of flesh that deserve to be rounded up and put in front of a firing line.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Yeah. Tell yer dumb god to stop makin them disGUSting gays, and all those stright parents to stop breeding them.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Nah, dont sh oot em, study them at a hospital.....

      June 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Huebert

      Are you trolling or just stupid?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent. Do you or do you not know how to read? If not, have one of your phony friends on this blog read how your ancestors, you, and your future generations are condemned by God for spreading lies against His truth.

      Jude 7
      Those that spread the lie: Isaiah 3:9

      June 21, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • sam

      It's just opportunistic trolling. Not even good trolling, either.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
  8. solex

    Hatred is NOT a family value.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  9. b4bigbang

    Hitler was a gay Pagan-Catholic and his marriage to Eva wasnt for s e x.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Hey look i posted at 420!
      I guess the comm ie q u e e r s will have to go spark one now......

      June 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Btw, isnt 420 hitler's b'day?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      and bee four is their ebil spawn

      June 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      ya know bee four, there is clinical proof that you ho'mophobes are actually g.a.y yourselves.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

      check it out, government study ... proof that ho'mophobes are really g.a.y

      June 21, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • KK Denver

      HeavenSent: That was brilliant and makes perfect sense.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Amen. Alleluia.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      See? The gay just proved me correct trying to convince the straights that they're really gay be some q u e e r study.
      Recruitment !!

      June 21, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Huebert

      @b4

      Stupid, your definitely just stupid. Proper trolling takes more thought than you are capable of.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Huebert

      and some day I'll figure it out.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Huebert

      🙂 🙂 🙂 I have an admirer of my very own. I less than three you other Huebert. 🙂 🙂 🙂

      June 21, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  10. HeavenSent

    beefour is an amazing Physicist .. she actually thinks there was a "before" time started. b4 has been in Special Ed since kinny karden

    June 21, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @heavensent: you must be the plague of lice that heaven sent.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent and Big banger ... you and your ancestors that spread all your lies have been condemned. Isaiah 3:9

      June 21, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Line judge

      You're both phony. HeavenSent always ends with an 'Amen'.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • sam

      She also throws the word carnal around a lot. Don't forget that, that's my favorite.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      i was busy .. so sue me ... carnal, Amen.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @HeavenSent: Are you a male, female or something in between?
      Are you well-scrubbed and disease-free?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Banger, not a Christians problems that you are going to fry. Not only do you burn, but, you burn for eternity whereas other sinners get blotted out, never to be remembered. You're going to wish that you were blotted out ... but, no, your worm is never satisfied as it eats off of you for eternity for spreading lies against Jesus' truth.

      Jude 7
      Those that spread the lie: Isaiah 3:9

      That's what you get for believing yourself to be intelligent.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • HeavnSent

      Why, are you looking for some company tonight? Can I bring a friend?

      June 21, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
  11. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog and also all the Abrahamic rednecks of the world:

    o "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
    To wit:

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    June 21, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  12. b4bigbang

    @ting: nope. You gays will have to use sulphur for lube in hell right along with your bros the child-molesters and other monsters.
    But dont worry, the worst part of hell will be right under your feet and you'll be standing on the atheists' heads.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @b4bigbang

      Thanks for showing your sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies. I guess you are like your god. Divisive, immoral, bipolar, and psychotic.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  13. Ting

    "Ain't no ho.mo gonna make it to heaven."

    So God has no problem letting in rapists, child molesters, murderers, but somehow just can't manage to get past the gay issue. Nice.

    June 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  14. Evenstar13

    Hate the sin, but not the sinner!
    These people who preach hateful doctrines are false and will lead many astray!
    "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same."

    June 21, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      There is no such thing as sin. First you have to privide evidence that anything in your big book of multiple guess is real.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Let us begin by defining the word "sin" and the word "hate".

      June 21, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • midwest rail

      The Big Lie as practiced by the modern faux Christian – " love the sinner, hate the sin ". Then they go on their merry way spewing hatred, ignorance, and bigotry.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "Hate the sin, but not the sinner!"

      Please post the book, chapter, and verse in your bible where your god says this.

      Hint – you can't. Because it isn't in your bible. It's a quote from Gandhi – a Hindu, who according to your bible is now busy being tortured for all eternity in hell.

      In reality, your god demands that you followers go and kill gay folks. Kinda hard to see the "love" there.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  15. myweightinwords

    I have seen a rise again in the use of the phrases "gay lifestyle" and "gay agenda"...and I'm curious about how the people who use these phrases mean them.

    What is the "gay lifestyle" to you? What does that phrase mean?

    And this "gay agenda" what is it you are imagining is on it?

    I really am curious, and would like to engage in conversation, if you're willing.

    June 21, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @myweightinwords: It means you are wanted for recruitment into the fudge-packing fun and games......

      June 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      In case you're not (yet) privy to the lingo of fudge-packing:

      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fudge_packer

      June 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "It means you are wanted for recruitment"

      Your stupidity is showing since you can't choose to be gay. Duh!

      June 21, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      b4bigbang, your responses are pejorative and not conducive to actual conversation, nor do they actually answer my question.

      What is a "lifestyle". Let's begin there.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      b4bigbang: is that when you pack in the vaseline?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @myweightinwords: You're so slow and boring. The gay would have your pants halfway down but your words would bore him into unconciousness before he or his cohorts could finish the job.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Ting

      'I really am curious'

      I think it's called "bi-curious".

      June 21, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      "Lifestyle" is usually a euphemism.

      Some people might use it here because any word containing s-e-x get caught up by the rude word filter.

      It appears that some of the gay community use "The Lifestyle" to mean living a life that is "out". Others don't like the term because it implies a choice.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      b4bigbang, seeing that I am female, I doubt "the gay" would feel a need try to undress me. Lesbians on the other hand, might perhaps be interested. And seeing as I would likely also be interested, I don't really see it as a problem.

      I apologize for assuming that you were interested in contributing to an actual discussion regarding the use of words and what those words represent in the common vernacular. I will cease any attempts to engage you. Have a wonderful day.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Ting, "I think it's called "bi-curious"."

      For starters, there's no curiosity about my s.ex.uality. I am bi.s.exual. Pretty simple really.

      My curiosity is about the way people who are different from me think, what their experiences are, why they believe what they do. I was hoping for courteous discourse about the words and the images they conjure up in the minds of those who use them, so that i might better understand their mindset and engage them in meaningful conversation that would lead to a mutual understanding.

      Apparently this is not the place for said conversation. A shame really, since it represents an interesting cross section of belief.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @I'm not...

      "Lifestyle" is usually a euphemism.

      I get that part. However, I was really looking for an explanation of what imagery it invokes for those who use it.

      Some people might use it here because any word containing s-e-x get caught up by the rude word filter.

      Do you imply that "lifestyle" is simply equal to "s.e.x"? I think that's a little ingenuous. If all that is meant is "s.e.x" then just say it. The word "lifestyle" though seems to be more, bigger, encompassing something beyond the mere act...which is, of course, the point of my question. What more, exactly?

      It appears that some of the gay community use "The Lifestyle" to mean living a life that is "out". Others don't like the term because it implies a choice.

      As a part of the "gay community" I don't know anyone who uses "lifestyle" to mean "out". Most LGBT folks that I know reject the use of the word to describe them because it is far, far too ambivalent a word. Take any ten gay men, out or not, and I can show you at least 4 different lifestyles.

      Lifestyle is, at least partially, a choice. Se.xual orientation is not.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Ting

      I didn't think the initial statement was genuine. It appeared to be trolling. Sorry about that.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Ting,

      I didn't think the initial statement was genuine. It appeared to be trolling. Sorry about that.

      I'm sorry if I wasn't communicating clearly, or came off as less than genuine. It can be difficult in forums like this to tell the trolls from the rest.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  16. b4bigbang

    "Romans one and twenty-seven, aint no h.o.m.o gonna make it to Heaven".
    Smart little kid.

    June 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the prototypical modern faux Christian.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • joe

      Amen.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • YeahRight

      ""Romans one and twenty-seven, aint no h.o.m.o gonna make it to Heaven"."

      Now go read 23 in that same section, they were worshiping their pagan god using sex. It has nothing to do with the long term loving relationship that we now know about gays today. Duh! That's why cherry picking doesn't work when trying to justify your unfounded prejudice and bigotry towards the gay community.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • echamberlain

      Romans 1:27 was an effect not a cause. Romans 1:26 even starts with "for that reason..." So what was the reason?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • joe

      Also, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 – "They Shall Not Inherit The Kingdom of ...
      ... inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate ... heaven.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate .."

      Nowhere in that statement is it condemning the loving long term relationship of a gay couple that has been married before their god.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      so macho gays will get into heaven. Thanks so veddy much. All the gay marines will now rejoice, and praise de lawd.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, your ancestors, as well as yourself and your future generations have already been condemned by God for spreading lies against His truth.

      Jude 7
      Those that spread the lie: Isaiah 3:9

      June 21, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
  17. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
    – Albert Einstein

    In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.
    – Buddha

    Searching for "truth" is easy. Google will find thousands of "truths".

    June 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Oops, this was meant as a reply to "Truth" on page 2.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Soooo Einstein was Pagan?

      June 21, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • joe

      Pilot asked " What is truth?' Jesus told us.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @b4bigbang

      Eistein was raised as a non-observant Jew and attended Catholic school at a young age. He seems to be an adherent of Spinozism.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Pilot"?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      So Spinoza was pagan or else Einstein drifted into the pagan fold.....

      June 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @sam stone

      Presumably someone with the bumper sticker: "God is my co-pilot"

      June 21, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @b4bigbang,

      no, clearly not a Pagan.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • sam

      Didn't Johnny Depp name his kid Pilot?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Sure he was pagan, or specifically-speaking "poly":

      Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
      – Albert Einstein
      The gods.
      See?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
  18. DamianKnight

    Can we stop comparing everything to the Nazi party? Unless a group of people have attempted genocide on over six million people, it's not really a valid comparison.

    June 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Google Godwin's Law. ...

      "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"

      Sadly it is inevitable, like death and taxes, the two things the religious right don't believe in.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • echamberlain

      The Nazi reference is applicable, it's what "Gott mit uns" Christians did to gays in the past.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Popuppete

      Normally I agree with you. It is very annoying to hear everything being compared to the Nazi regime.
      However when one of the quotes is "men should be fenced in and left to die out". Another pastor wanted the government to kill them.
      It does make me remember that not everyone in the Nazi camps wore a Star of David. Many wore purple triangles.
      So in this case it does seem like a fair comparison.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      I read somewhere that Hitler was a gay Pagan-Catholic and that his marriage to Eva wasnt for s e x.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @b4bigbang.

      sounds authoritative! I read somewhere the moon was made of cheese.

      What difference would it make if your assertion were true?

      June 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Clyde Burgoon-Clark

      There are approximately 20 million GLBTQAIs in the US ... to call for their deaths IS comparable to Hitler, and worse.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  19. YeahRight

    "The question is where?"

    Equal civil rights. Marriage was defined by the US Supreme Court as a civil right. Recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been established as a civil right.

    The operative constitutional text is section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was ratified in 1868. The relevant passages read as follows:

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

    Oh by the way a federal appeals court on May 31st ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional because it denies equal rights for legally married same-sex couples, making it likely that the Supreme Court will consider the politically divisive issue for the first time in its next term. This most likely will be decided in the courts and since most courts keep ruling in gays favor they should be able to over turn all the unconstitutional laws prejudice bigots have been trying to pass.

    June 21, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Nii

      I think u Americans can be happier now. The prejudiced bigots on both sides can go to rest and stop calling each other prejudiced bigots. And of course the mad scientists searching for proof that being gay is a legitimate way which humans can bear offspring naturally! See ya round!!

      June 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Snow

      Umm.. I did not know that you would ONLY want to "be with someone" to find a "legitimate way in which humans can bear offspring naturally!".. wow!

      June 21, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Uhm – most gay people are fertile.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Nii, please label your bridges with BIG letters ... so we'll know not to drive over any of 'em.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, you and your ancestors as well as future generations that spread lies have already been condemned. Isaiah 3:9

      June 21, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      condemed and condemned ..
      Amen

      June 21, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • sam

      To this thread all I can add is, 'carnal'.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      yeah face it Snow, fundies are boring in bed. They know it. They are afraid others will find out. Amen. Carnal. Alleluia.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  20. truth

    Never judge a situation by where it is, but by where it is headed.
    You are going to get where you are headed. The question is where?

    June 21, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Over to the grocery store.

      June 21, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Snow

      So.. its wrong for me to go to cafeteria now? But, I am hungry!

      June 21, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      land of confusion?

      June 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.
      – Mark Twain

      June 21, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, here's the scripture you were concerned about the other day.

      Isaiah 3:9

      June 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I didn't ask about any scripture, HS, but thanks anyhow.

      June 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
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