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June 21st, 2012
09:40 AM ET

Harsh anti-gay preaching alarms gay rights supporters and Christian conservatives alike

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - The little boy with a buzz cut shows no sign of nervousness as he sings in front of the church congregation.

Dressed in a pressed white shirt and blue sweater vest, he holds the microphone and sings that the Bible is right, then lets loose the line that brings whoops from the congregation: "Ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven."

Next to him, an adult beams as worshippers rise to their feet and cheer.

The scene was captured on video and anonymously posted online, receiving hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube since the end of May. It appears to show a service at the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, Indiana.

The church quickly posted on its website that its pastor and members "do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason."

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But the chubby boy with the buzz cut isn't the only one going viral with harshly worded anti-gay pronouncements in church.

In recent weeks, Pastor Charles Worley in North Carolina preached that lesbians and gay men should be fenced in and left to die out, while Pastor Curtis Knapp in Kansas said the government should kill homosexuals.

"They won't, but they should," Knapp said, according to a recording of his sermon posted online. Worley’s sermon was captured on video and also went viral.

The incidents drew outrage and condemnation from gay rights supporters.

But they also left many Christians uncomfortable - even those who call themselves conservative.

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One leading expert on American Protestantism has a simple explanation for why some pastors preach against homosexuality while others go further, encouraging violence against gay people.

"There is a significant percentage who think it's a sin," Ed Stetzer said of homosexuality. "And there are a small minority who are stupid."

Stetzer is president of LifeWay Research, which is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Worley and Knapp both belong to Independent Baptist churches and are not part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States.

Many conservative Christians would agree with pastors such as Worley and Knapp that homosexual behavior is fundamentally wrong, Stetzer said.

But that doesn't mean they support them or their sermons, he added.

"If you asked, they would say that's really unhelpful and stupid," he said.

But the Rev. Robin Lunn said these preachers are much worse than that. She calls such pastors "genocidal."

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"If someone is talking about rounding up me and all my kind in a pen, what is the difference between that and what is happening in Syria and Sudan and what happened in Germany and Poland during World War II?" asked Lunn, executive director of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists.

"We are talking about people who believe somehow that the Second Coming is connected to a Final Solution," said Lunn, a lesbian, using the Nazi term for the mass murder of Jews in the Holocaust.

"I think these men expressed something that many Baptist preachers think," Lunn said. "We need to stand up and denounce this powerfully."

Her group campaigns for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender inclusion across all Baptist churches. It has its origins in the American Baptist Churches movement but is not connected to any one Baptist group or denomination, she said.

"It seems to me that this is an opportunity to show some solidarity around the belief that all people are children of God regardless of what you think about someone's 'lifestyle,' " she said.

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One of the most respected voices in conservative Christianity agrees with Lunn, up to a point.

"The Gospel does not condemn homosexuals, it condemns homosexuality," said R. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. "The Bible makes clear that homosexuality is a sin, in the context of making clear that every person is a sinner."

What preachers such as Worley and Knapp are doing wrong, he said, is that they are "not merely rendering a moral judgment on homosexuality but extending it to the condemnation of people. They are speaking with a certain venom and hatred."

He called their sermons "reprehensible."

And, he said, "they are doing grave harm to the cause of conservative Christianity by speaking messages of hate that obscure the message of the church."

"What you're seeing here is a very dangerous fringe that does not represent conservative Christianity in America," he said.

About one-third of Protestant pastors talk to their congregations about homosexuality several times a year, while another third do so "rarely," data from LifeWay Research suggests.

The rest do so anywhere from never to several times a month, according to a 2008 telephone survey of 1,002 Protestant pastors across the country and a wide range of denominations.

Half of the pastors who preached about homosexuality several times a year identified themselves as "very conservative," while a quarter of those who did said they were liberal or very liberal.

LifeWay’s Stetzer argued that it was important to remember that many Americans - not just Christian pastors - think homosexuality is wrong.

A Gallup Poll last month found that 54% of Americans saw homosexuality as "morally acceptable," while 42% said it was "morally wrong."

"This is not a small minority," Stetzer said. "Are all of those people going to be tarred by the comments of a few pastors?"

The sermons of Worley, Knapp and those like them do not have a great influence, Stetzer said, calling them "isolated."

"I've never heard of or seen a violent confrontation" that resulted from Christian preaching, he said.

But Ross Murray, director of religion, faith and values at the gay rights group Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, said it's not that simple.

"When pastors preach they want people to listen to their words and pay attention to them," he said. "It's an exhortation to believe and think and act in accordance with the Gospel."

And he said he's not worried only about people who might act on violent preaching they hear in church. He said he's also concerned about young churchgoers grappling with being gay or lesbian themselves.

"You get brought to church; you have told nobody about this and you hear your pastor preaching or this child singing. What this tells you is that the church is not a safe place, not a place where you are going to experience love and grace," he said.

Pastors such as Worley and Knapp "give Christianity a bad name," he said.

And more than that, they are dangerous, he said. There were a record number of murders of members of sexual minorities in the United States last year, he said, citing a study out this month by the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs.

He conceded that no link has been proven between preaching and attacks on homosexuals, but he argued that preaching matters.

"To say that people shouldn't take you seriously when you say something violent is disingenuous. Our words have consequences," Murray said. "Our words have real meaning."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Christianity • Homosexuality

soundoff (1,795 Responses)
  1. Pete/Ark

    I have many valued friends...among them are protestant ministers and catholic priests...I judge them as I would be judged... with respect and openness...these hate mongers are aggrandizing themselves , not the God or scripture ( which as an agnostic I have questions about) they cite as as an authority for hatred. 15 minutes of fame may well ( if some of my friends are correct ) bring an eternity of damnation.

    June 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • or they could just be dead and not get punished at all

      Which means that the suffering they caused goes completely unpunished. No justice to be had.

      Sorry – there's no god, no heaven, and the only hell that exists is right here and caused by the religious.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  2. Holly

    We are all born into sin....that will not cut. That excuse will not be good enough when one faces God. Without saving faith in Christ and redemption no one will be saved. A gay person has to recognize that sin just like any other person has to recognize their sin. That does not mean we will be perfect but we will hate our sin and will recognize it and want to turn away from it not make excuses.

    June 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Dan

      Yeah or we could just live happy, fulfilled lives and not worry about bronze age mythology

      June 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • but we're not batsh.t crazy like you

      so therefore we don't have to worry about your silly sins.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
  3. Cindy

    There are a lot of good Christians out there. They just don't make the headlines.

    June 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Dan

      True. But I'll say the same thing everyone has been saying about Muslims: Why don't the good ones speak out more against the bad ones?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Exactly Dan,

      Silence is the voice of complicity.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Hadenuffyet

      Well ,if it's not in CNN's best interest and can't be sensationalized ,they have no use for it.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Patrick

      It is true. It is the tragedies that make the news. Good people, whatever their flavor, rarely make the news. If it seems like someone in a news story is a good person, it is probably just a politician.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  4. ElmerGantry

    Giving someone equal rights does not deny you any rights. It makes it illegal for you to practice hate and bigotry.

    It's that simple.

    Also the Christians should recall the following.

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    That which you do unto the least of my brothers, you do unto me.

    Judge not lest ye be judged.

    Maybe the Christians out there should start practicing the above Christian family values for a change.
    FYI: This comment immediately only applies to those that are spewing this hate and bigotry. I know many Christians who are offended by these hate spewing Christians. Just like the tïtle implies, imagine that.
    BTW:

    Diid you know that the person who it can be said had the biggest impact on defeating Hitler's Germany was gay. That person was Alan Turing who was the genius behind deciphering the German enigma codes. With that knowledge the allies were able to know most of the military moves of the German military in advance.

    This same Alan Turing was the driving force in the development of the computer.

    So this one person who was the driving force in defeating Hitler and the driving force in the development of the modern computer was gay.

    How was Alan Turing rewarded for all this? He was hounded and persecuted. He was sentenced to chemical cästration for being, what now, for being gay. He was hounded to the point of committing suicide.

    And you have the nerve to talk of cold hearted atheists. It wasn't cold hearted atheists who hounded Turing to suicide, it was your precious believers.

    Check out the following,

    http : / /calpol25 . hubpages.com/hub/Ho m os exuals-The-Forgotten-Victims-Of-The-Nazis

    http: / / www . holocaust-trc.org/ho mosx.htm

    http : / / fcit . usf . edu/holocaust/people/victims.htm

    http : / / www . pink-triangle.org/

    http : / / travelsofadam . com /2012/03/gay-holocaust-memorial-berlin/

    June 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Snow

      Don't you know the christian motto?

      "scripture quoting is for showing why others are wrong, but never for self correction".

      June 21, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • pattysboi

      ElmerGantry (one of my favorite books, btw!). you are 100% RIGHT. The fundies also refuse to believe that King James I was a GAY MAN, and yet they yell and cry that the KJV is the ONLY version that is acceptable.

      Hypocrites.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • !

      Jude 5-13

      June 21, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • small correction

      just a small correction, Elmer:

      They didn't (just) hound him to death. They chemically castrated him with a near-overdose level of estrogen, which caused severe depression – which then led to his suicide. They didn't just hound him – they drove him to do it by poisoning him.

      Makes me wish I could see a lion devouring a coliseum full of Christians right now.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      @small correction,

      I did mention the chemical cästration but not the depression and very negative effects that had on his body chemistry, body fitness, and depression.

      Thanks for filling in that detail.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  5. bubbles

    so is a pedo born a pedo? Do they choose to become a pedo or are they born that way?

    June 21, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Dan

      Pedos are probably born that way. I fail to see the relevance though. So are left handed people (which the church once also considered unacceptable, btw)

      June 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • bubbles

      they born "that" way? How so?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Dan

      The same way any mental illness manifests itself

      June 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Snow

      @bubbles, so the left handed people are not born that way? that they chose to be left handed – to rebel or whatever whim you want to call it?

      if not, I presume you have a proving gene that shows a person is left handed? or a scripture from bible that says god made some leftys and some rightys? oh I forgot that bible actually condemns lefty people. hmm.. sinners!

      June 21, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Patrick

      What does it matter? Does the morality of a notion depend on whether it is learned or born with?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • Patrick - so you're OK with damning left handed people to hell?

      GAY = BORN WITH
      LEFT HANDED = BORN WITH

      CHRISTIAN = CHOICE

      So you're saying I have to RESPECT YOUR CHOICE about religion, but you're happy to damn gays and left handed people even though they were born that way? So what you're really saying is that God created souls that he knew were going to hell – that had no chance to escape hell – just for the sheer fun of knowing he could torture souls forever in a burning lake of fire?

      Nice god ya got there. I'll do without, thank you.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • bubbles

      You choose heaven or hell

      June 21, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
  6. JOHN

    Thats called freedom of religion people (and freedom of speech), get over it!!. To be able to preach that you believe gay people are not going to heaven is a fundamental right of anyone that lives here in The United States. Thats what makes our country great! So stop crying about it!! whhhhaaaaaaaa!!!

    June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Dan

      There is no freedom from criticism, boycott or picketing, though

      June 21, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  7. Matt

    Damn you CNN. This is like the 4th time I've tried to comment on one of your stories and you block my comments. No more. I'm done with using you as a news source. It's funny that the people in the thread worrying about "Nazi's" actually agree with this story.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • CNN Moderator

      Thanks for playing, Matt, it was fun blocking you.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Corey

      LMFAO

      June 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
  8. Trent

    We'd be better off if we rounded up all the religious people, put them in camps and let them die out.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Dan

      c'mon now, let's not be hateful.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • PJL

      Roger that.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • No, Dan - let's try. Let's try right now

      And you're first. Lead the way.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
  9. jay

    In Luke 15 the prodical son squandered all of his inheritance, one in which he received before his fathers death. Afterwhich upon examining his life realized that his fathers servants had food and all they needed for life and he was starving. Therefore he said I'll return to my father and receive a job and work as a servant for my father. As he approached his father, his father saw him from a far and ran and embraced him. After asking for forgiveness his father gave him the best robe and put it on him, a ring on his hands annd shoes on his feet. then his father said bring the fattened calf and let us go out an celebrate. For this son was dead but is alive again; he was lost but now is found.
    God is the Father who sent his son because, We have all sinned, Romans 3:23. Therefore no one should be condemned but invited to respond in faith to Christ's life, perfectly sinless, his death, for our sin, and his life, he has risen from the dead and is at the right hand of God. Every person must seehis sin and turn from the sin to the Savior. Christ Jesus.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • WRONG - I don't

      I don't because I don't believe in that pile of horse dung you believe in.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  10. Zarzoor

    CNN, where do you find these churches? Always going out of your way to magnify the faaaaaaar right, but glorify the faaaaaar left.....and the sheep will follow. Sad! In other news worthy, Holder is being held in contempt......where is the reporting or first page news headline?????

    June 21, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Holder was yesterday and it was on the front page, plus the breaking news banner.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Yupyupy

      Youtube found them, not CNN. Read the story before you post.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  11. bubbles

    For the uneducated atheists(in the bible)Christians shouldnt follow the laws that the early Jews followed.If you are a Christian those laws are no longer needed as Christ was the ransom that ended the laws.Its seriously not that hard to know why the OT is in the bible

    June 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Lenny Pincus

      Certainly a fun new theory to talk away Leviticus. And Jesus' take on the evil gay was what? How about slavery?

      June 21, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • bubbles

      you do realize that was common right?For that time period?

      June 21, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • WRONG - Jesus said he did NOT COME TO CHANGE THE LAW

      He – in fact – said that NOT ONE JOT OF THE LAW WILL BE CHANGED.

      NOT ONE.

      You shrimp eating christians are going to burn in hell, you abominations!

      June 21, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Hey, Bubbles, if you have search capabilities, you can check out Jesus's own take on how valid the Old Testament is in today's society. Just google "jot and t¡ttle" (except spell that last word in the normal way, not the variant I used to elude CNN's idiot nannybot).

      June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • bubbles

      yet we arent Jews?

      June 21, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @bubbles,

      yes, I agree with you. Leviticus should be irrelevant for Christians. Where does Jesus say anything about gays?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Ralph Henson

      Jesus said, "If you love me, follow my commandments." Sounds like more than simple belief.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Eric

      Yes, ignore all that silly Old Testament stuff. Except, of course, the anti-gay stuff. That still applies, even though it's in the same section Christians now tell everyone to ignore.

      "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

      "Whoever goes against the smallest of the laws of Moses, teaching men to do the same, will be named least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who keeps the Law of Moses, teaching others to keep them, will be named great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19).

      June 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Bubbles - what kind of an effed up god has two sets of rules?

      So Bubbles, let me get this "straight". God has a certain set of rules for Jews, but a completely DIFFERENT set of rules for nonJews?

      Well, guess what – he also has yet ANOTHER set of rules for us gays, and he told us we can do whatever we want, and we can suck on whatever we want and we can shove whatever we want up our hoo-hoos. And since that ONLY involves us, he didn't include any of you "normal" straight people in the memo he circulated.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Lyle Lanley

      Uneducated atheists? That is non-sequitur.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • bubbles

      OT is there as the history..the whole entire Christian faith is based around Jesus.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • Patrick

      For the uneducated Christians you don't need the NT anymore because the development and use of the scientific method has made the NT obsolete and unnecessary.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      So then you can kill, steal, covet, create graven image, worship other gods, and all the other of the first 10 commandments?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • bubbles

      Sin is sin.Those are sins if you commit them.Really learn something before you type.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      Those are laws the early jews followed, and you said in your original post that christians don't need to follow the laws of the early jews. You contradictory little troll.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
  12. Fred

    Oh wake up. will you?

    Look at the middle east today.

    2000+ years ago it was worse. The people who had stuff, had to find a way to keep people from taking their stuff. So they invent a story about how the bad things you do are seen by this invisible force and that you will eventually pay for the misdeeds. Also if you are poor in this life you will get rewarded in the next.

    It's all about keeping the population under control. You get rewarded later, so no need to disrupt the status quo.

    Sheep just fall in line.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Stephen

      Oh, I guess you think the universe was created by some random act involving inanimate matter? When was the last time you saw a rock transform into living matter or a monkey evolve into a human?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Snow

      oh you idiot stephen.. what part of "we do not know how universe was created YET" or "research is still UNDERWAY" do you not understand? or do you take pride in answering any question that you do not know the answer for with a "god done it that way"?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Yupyupy

      Hey stephen, I think I just saw a human devolve into a monkey.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  13. Peikovianyi

    If people want god to intervene, they must hallucinate a more effective god.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  14. PJL

    Religion attracts the not so bright as depicted in this spoof video. Religion is exploitive and profitable and its most attractive feature is is tax exemption. It attracts every low hanging fruit in the country. These people should be ignored as the sad segment of society. Electric fences...now there is an idea.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  15. Howard of Alexandria

    If you believe Satan exists, and that he is "The Great Deceiver," then consider the possibility that any priest, minister, or preacher who preaches hatred of anyone is possessed by Satan. After all, what better disguise to lead His people astray?

    June 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Consider also the possibility that anyone who preaches love and tolerance is possessed by Satan.
       
      Then come to your senses and realize that you're playing with a deck that has 52 wild cards.
       
      If you're not tethered to reality, you can believe anything you want, and who's to say you're wrong? Only agents of Satan, right?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Hadenuffyet

      The greatest trick that Satan ever pulled was to convince humans he doesn't exist.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Yupyupy

      The last pope said there is not really a hell, and he speaks the word of god.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • bubbles

      or the hatred goes way deep within the person

      June 21, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  16. Lenny Pincus

    When considering God's supposed emphasis on industriousness, explain the sloth.

    Why should anyone be surprised that these self-anointed dingbats quote the Bible for their own purposes? These dimmies are busy ignoring 95% of it, picking and choosing what appeals to them personally.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
  17. Chuck

    Language is important. Suddenly, we talk about "anti" gay as if gay is now fully accepted and opposing it is the norm.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Dan

      It is nearly fully accepted. Deal with it

      June 21, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Welcome, Chuck, to the 21st Century

      We've been waiting for you since the late 18th.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Chuck, I sure hope you live in the Deep South and never have to worry about creeping societal acceptance of the coming Ice Age because some of us use anti-freeze.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
  18. Tuff

    I can't help that I am Christian. I was born that way. Please show a little tolerance.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • being a Christian is a CHOICE

      And we all know – you've been telling us for DECADES – that since it's a choice, it means absolutely NOTHING. Less than nothing, as a matter of fact.

      You just have to choose differently, and you won't be offended anymore.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Erik

      "I can't help that I am Christian. I was born that way"

      Religion is a choice, being gay is not. All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.

      The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.

      On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"

      The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.

      Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).

      There are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Lenny Pincus

      Yeah, I'm Christian, so I'm compelled to marginalize you. Brilliant.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Patrick

      No, you were just indoctrinated, like many, and that indoctrination included convincing you that you were born a Christian.

      Question everything or you will believe anything.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Tuff

      Everyone is indoctrinated to be believe whatever they were indoctrinated to believe.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • greg

      because being gay is wrong, people who are gay are more likely to spread disease, do drugs, and more or less bring down soceity. deal with it. and if your gay ever go straight or jump off a cliff or go more preferably go on a homicidal rampage at a gay club

      June 21, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Tuff,

      I respect your faith. It is a gift you have accepted and you are very welcome to it.

      I can't respect preachers who preach hate about law-abiding people who do not profess your faith but want not only to control their personal lives and withhold equal rights but actually recommend rounding them up and incarcerating and exterminating them! This is hate speech in the guise of religion and it is morally bankrupt.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Nobody is born a Christian. All of us are born as atheists — without god beliefs (or, really, beliefs of ANY kind) — and we stay that way until the indoctrination sets in. Ever wonder WHY there are so many Hindus in India, Buddhists in Southeast Asia, Catholics in Latin America, animists in Africa, Protestants in North America, and Muslims in the Middle East? Shouldn't the TRUE religion be obvious everywhere, the same way it works with physics, astronomy, biology, chemistry, and math? Instead, your religion is almost totally dependent on the culture you were raised in.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @greg,

      That is very hateful.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  19. Skeptimist

    I believe that even in these strange times I still have the right to mind my own business and leave the rest of you to sort out this nonsense for yourselves.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • when they come for you

      That's right – stick your head in the sand and ignore what's going on.

      When they come for you, we'll give you the same treatment – we'll just let them screw you again and again and again.

      June 21, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
  20. tracy

    If God is suppose to be all forgiving and all knowing how can anyone follow a preacher spouting hate? These hate promoting types of preachers are an embarrassment.

    June 21, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Dan

      Because the folks down there frankly aren't very intelligent

      June 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @tracy,

      it is worse than that. They are much more than an embarrassment. Their words are evil. They are evil.

      It begs the question: what other hateful things do they preach?
      It also begs the question: why don't more true Christians make a stand against this? (Mr. Mohler did but other Christain luminaries rationalized by saying it doesn't matter because their congregations are small.)

      June 21, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Butch

      It's been that way for hundreds of years! I've heard much worse from preachers, who themselves, came out of the closet. Being gay seems to have a bigger and stronger following, here, lately.

      June 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
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