June 22nd, 2012
11:27 AM ET

Prominent atheist blogger converts to Catholicism

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – She went from atheist to Catholic in just over 1,000 words.

Leah Libresco, who’d been a prominent atheist blogger for the religion website Patheos, announced on her blog this week that after years of debating many “smart Christians,” she has decided to become one herself, and that she has begun the process of converting to Catholicism.

Libresco, who had long blogged under the banner “Unequally Yoked: A geeky atheist picks fights with her Catholic boyfriend,” said that at the heart of her decision were questions of morality and how one finds a moral compass.

“I had one thing that I was most certain of, which is that morality is something we have a duty to,” Libresco told CNN in an interview this week, a small cross dangling from her neck. “And it is external from us. And when push came to shove, that is the belief I wouldn’t let go of. And that is something I can’t prove.”

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According to a Patheos post she wrote on Monday, entitled “This is my last post for the Patheos Atheist Portal,” she began to see parts of Christianity and Catholicism that fit her moral system. Though she now identifies as a Catholic, Libresco questions certain aspects of Catholicism, including the church’s positions on homosexuality, contraception and some aspects of religious liberty.

“There was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth,” Libresco wrote about Catholicism in her conversion announcement post, which has been shared over 18,000 times on Facebook. “I asked my friend what he suggests we do now, and we prayed the night office of the Liturgy of the Hours together.”

At the end of the post, Libresco announces that she is in a Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults class and is preparing for baptism. She will continue to blog for Patheos, but under the banner, “A geeky convert picks fights in good faith.”

According to Dan Welch, director of marketing for Patheos, Libresco’s post has received around 150,000 page views so far.

“Leah's blog has gotten steadily more popular since she arrived at Patheos, but a typical post on her blog is probably closer to the range of 5,000 page views,” Welch wrote in an email. “Even now, a few days later, her blog is probably getting 20-30 times its normal traffic.”

Libresco’s announcement has left some atheists scratching their heads.

“I think atheists were surprised that she went with Catholicism, which seems like a very specific choice,” Hemant Mehta, an atheist blogger at Patheos, told CNN. “I have a hard time believing how someone could jump from I don’t believe in God to a very specific church and a very specific God.”

Mehta says that Libresco’s conversion is a “one-off thing” and not something that signals any trend in atheism. “The trends are very clear, the conversions from Catholicism to atheism are much more likely to happen than the other way around,” he said.

But while atheists were puzzled by the conversion, others commended Libresco.

“I know I’ve prayed for her conversion several times, always thinking she would make a great Catholic,” wrote Brandon Vogt, a Catholic blogger. “And with this news, it looks like that will happen. Today heaven is roaring with joy.”

Thomas L. McDonald, a Catholic Patheos blogger, welcomed Libresco to the fold: “Welcome. I know this was hard, and will continue to be so. Don’t worry if the Catholics make it as for difficult for you as the atheists. We only do it to people we love.”

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Libresco says one of the most common questions she has received is how she'll deal with atheists now.

“The great thing about a lot of the atheist and skeptic community is that people talk more critically about ideas and want to see proof provided,” Libresco said. “That kind of analytical thinking is completely useful and the Catholic Church doesn’t need to and should not be afraid of because if you’ve got the facts on your side, you hope they win.”

Libresco is just switching the side she thinks the facts are on.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Catholic Church

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  1. elias godinez

    That is the same thing, Catholic and atheists are in the same way, following the anti-Chist, living with tha same world, the kindom of Jesus is no of this world, his kindom is based in his apostoles and making diferents ways whitout paganism, idolatry and not asocieted with the famous, the walthty, the politicis, the mobsters, diferent? yes! no this kind of stage.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      You do know it is 2012 don't you?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Podo

      Easy to lose track of time and reality living in a cave like that, elias.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • Lil

      Are you high? Atheists don't believe in the anti-Christ either, we do not believe in any of that nonsense, period.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Going on about the anti-Christ? Clearly drinking too much antifreeze, eating bad antipasto, and having impure thoughts about his mother's sister (Oh, come on – do i have to explain everything)?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • TheCapitalist


      Catholicism and atheism are of the same spirit and lead to the same place.

      But different strokes for different folks.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Thomas

      Mr Capitalist? Smurfette posted that you said Russian excavators deep underground heard the screams of hell? Did you really say that?

      Just curious.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Thomas, that was part of his argument for the truth of the bible and the existence of god. i wish I was kidding. I'm not

      June 24, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
  2. TR

    1. I can't explain where we get morals.
    2. Therefore, god exists.

    To each his own, but that's pretty weak reasoning.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      A dog's coat gets thicker in the winter... therefore we evolved from a one-celled amoeba"...

      right, so much better.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Eric G

      "My God hates all the same people I do, thus god exists"

      June 24, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • Jill

      TheCapitalist, don’t obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      When in potato, do as the Felix. There is a big vegetable in your future cave said the trolley bus. So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril.Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Where in the Bible does it say that God hates anyone?

      "... God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4...

      June 24, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Jill

      TheCapitalist, don’t obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry so prevalently.

      When in potato, do as the Felix. There is a big vegetable in your future cave said the trolley bus. So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril.Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      LOL, Jill... what are you writing the atheist bible?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • Voice of Reason


      7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
      7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
      7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
      7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Voice of Reason...

      Yes... and there is scientific evidence of a worldwide flood having occurred at that time.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Lil

      are you an Neanderthal ? we would perceive morals without religion. You wouldn't have the balls to stop a bully? Or to feel stealing was wrong. Would you feel it's ok to cheat on your woman, If you think we would all be rapists, murderers, thieves without the bible, you think very little of yourself. These values were practiced as long as humans have congregated. Be a man let your sleeping go get a few more zzzzzz's. After all he's been napping for a millennium.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • TheCapitalist


      Well morals are clearly not that simple...

      It used to be that killing was wrong... now it's OK "as long as you don't want the baby".
      It used to be that stealing was wrong... now it's OK "as long as he's richer than you".
      It used to be lying was wrong... now it's OK "so as to not hurt their feelings".
      It used to be that divorce was wrong... now it's OK "if you're bored and not fulfilled."

      And so on and so forth...

      June 24, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Lil

      @C...your god flip flops...he loves us but oh then he changes his mind and orders the execution. If you Google the word flip flop, it shows the bible.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • ImIsaid

      @C...you really think your one g@d-damn perfect specimen.....let the jester entertain.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • TheCapitalist


      The Bible never flip-flops.

      What you perceive to be flip-flops reflect a simple lack of knowledge and context on your part. In the same way that chapter 10 of any other book, amends and/or expands upon chapter 2... the Bible is also a literary work that evolves throughout and clarifies and extrapolates and amends as it goes on.

      So, as an example... when the Old Testament says to "stone a woman for committing adultery"...
      Jesus, and the New Testament, clarify and solidify what He wants when He said, "Let he that is without sin among you let him first cast a stone at her."

      June 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Smurfette

      @ cappy – "Yes... and there is scientific evidence of a worldwide flood having occurred at that time."
      Okay, okay, okay – i really shouldn't ask a guy who believes that russian excavators heard (and recorded) the voices of the damned from inside the Earth, but I gotta: You actually believe that some guy, and a few family members, a couple thousand years ago, built a boat big enough to put two of every kind of animal on the Earth in this boat? So, Blue Whales – about 100 feet long, right? he caught two blue whales, and put them in his giant salt-water tanks in his boat, right? Oh, but what about the other whales? A really frikkin' big salt water tank. Oh, crap – the fish! i forgot the fish! where did they go? ANd he caught two of each, right? Polar bears. hmmm – so he made a side trip to the arctic- was that before or after he went to Antarctica to get the various species of penguins. Hmmm – how big exactly was this ark? 500/ 600 miles long, was it? What? 300 cubits long? 450 feet long? That;s going to make for some grumpy wumpy animals,especially when the carnivores start EATING all the herbivores!!!!!!!!

      Cappy, I'm really not mocking you, but can you start to glimpse the absolute, sheer lunacy of such a belief?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • TheCapitalist


      You are trying to mock me... and no wonder... it seems to be your only option.

      1. The Bible indicates the fish stayed in the water.
      2. It does make sense, within the context of a supernatural God guiding the supernatural salvation and purification of the world.
      3. The animals came to Noah (with God's guidance, which I know is CARAAAAZZZZY to you)
      4. The natural evidence left behind is another arrow in our quiver.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy, how much water was required to cover the entire earth?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • Eric G

      But Noah made the door on the ark really small so none of the Dinosaurs could get in, cuz he was a thinker.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Smurfette

      And Capmeister, you talk about proof – geological proof, I assume – of a worldwide flood? Can you elucidate? Elaborate? Cogitate? Masticate? Because the accepted scientific stand is that there is no such evidence of a worldwide flood as described in the bible. Why is it, Cappi, that your god is so sneaky and devious? having a flood 2000 years ago, and then mucking magically around with the earth;s geology to hide that?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Smurfette

      And what DID the carnivores eat?
      Did god order them pizza? Extra meat, no doubt.
      And how many people were on the ark?

      i know, I know – magic. We're not going to convince you.

      But Cappi, is there a reason why you are tying your apron strings to this nut wagon, as opposed to a number of other similarly magical beliefs? Why not Santa?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @TheCapiltalist, Deuteronomy 32:19 – "And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters." Now I doubt you have a dictionary on hand... and I figure you may not know the definition of abhor, so I took the liberty of doing your work for you:
      abhor |abˈhôr|
      verb ( abhors, abhorring , abhorred ) [ with obj. ] formal
      regard with disgust and hatred: professional tax preparers abhor a flat tax because it would dry up their business.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Very deep thinker

      Hey TC, There is no evidence for a world-wide flood – some localized stuff in the Middle East. Anyway how would you flood the Pacific?

      June 24, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Darwin's Ghost

      The Capitlaist.
      Judging by your comments you'd feel that you could cast a stone. So that's OK then?

      June 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Mikey

      I'm testing your claim right now,
      by praying for you to be kidnapped and beheaded.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • truth be told

      the only prayer that would be heard by God from you would be the sinners prayer

      June 24, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  4. John Sacco

    I wonder what Miss Morality is going to do when they start telling her that her bisexuality is immoral and wrong, and her gay-rights activism is immoral and wrong, and her use and activism for contraception is immoral and wrong, and her stances on religious freedom are immoral and wrong, and her notions that the Church should welcome critical thinking and demands for evidence are immoral and wrong? I wonder how long until this feminist girl notices that the priests and bishops and all are men and only men, that women are considered inferior and unable to fulfil those roles?

    She has only begun to abandon her values. They will demand a lot more of it. Will she continue? Is abandoning her true self worth the money and the atta-girls?

    Best of luck to you, Leah.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
  5. b4bigbang

    Accurate animated view of many cnn atheist posters:


    June 24, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Eric G

      I think you are correct. I will attempt to dumb down my responses for believers who never finished 4th grade.


      June 24, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • John Sacco

      Oh thank you for posting that! As an atheist, I really love how the first stage is that the atheist says something, but the Christian is too stupid to understand it . . . which is somehow the atheist's problem. And the second stage is that the Christian is to stupid to understand analogies and metaphors, which again is somehow the atheist's problem, and the third that the Christian is too stupid to understand why his stupidity pisses people off, and again, yeah you know already.

      Brilliant! Classic example of humiliating yourself while trying to humiliate the other side, bangy!

      Thanks for posting that!

      June 24, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
  6. Jim

    Who is this blogger? I've never heard of her before. Why does anyone care about this?

    June 24, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • Eric G

      Let me give you an example....

      A little gem from TheCapitalist: "So yes... hell is real and under the earth, whether you accept it or not does not change it.".

      We are dealing with a very nutty fruitcake on todays menu.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Yes... childish posters with no substantive argument who resort to calling their opponents "poopey-heads"...

      June 24, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Capitalist: It was not me that called you any names. Second, we are not opponents, as that would indicate that you have ever addressed any of my questions.

      An "opponent" would have more balls than to just ignore posts that you do not have the capacity to respond to.

      You need to stay in the shallow end of the pool while the adults talk.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      "... no substantive argument ..."

      You are the one with baseless, misinformed and destructive arguments. Your days of rhetoric here have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you are a very mentally ill individual.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      You have not responded to the proofs that I've already provided, and you have yet to provide anything. Start with the Isaiah prophecy... you have not addressed how Smurfette conceded that "someone must have predicted the future" or "is a really good guesser" or that "there was a rift in the space-time continuum". Are those all more plausible then, "God exists"?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Eric G

      @TheCapitalist: Actually, I did. I stated that the prophecy you reference was borrowed from the legend of the Egyptian god Horus which pre-dated the text you reference by about 2200 years.

      Your blatant denial of this verifiable evidence proves that either you do not know that this is fact, which makes your position an argument from ignorance, or you do know that this is fact, which makes your position an argument from dishonesty.

      So, on which position are you basing your argument? Ignorance or dishonesty?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
  7. Eric G

    I welcome TheCapitalist to the Atheist brotherhood!

    Earlier, he stated that he required evidencial support rather than faith to prove the existence of his god. Because he has presented no evidence, no such evidence must exist, therefore his god must not exist.

    Welcome, my friend! Your Atheist club membership dues will be automatically withdrawn from your account on the first Sunday of every month.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...
      LOL wow you'r really getting desperate... what's this...

      "If you can't beat 'em, pretend they joined you." LOL

      After all the proof I've provided on the past few pages, when will you provide your FIRST piece of proof?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • Eric G

      I said that if there was a box that had indisputable, undeniable and demonstrative evidence that would either prove or disprove the existence of your god, would you look in the box.

      You said that you would. Do you now wish to change your answer?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      I did not say that "I would"...

      I said that "I have... and that you (Eric G) are refusing to look into the box that is before you."

      June 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Eric G

      Thank you for being so literal. If you have looked in the box, your faith was not good enough because you required the evidence. That means that you have no faith. If you must have knowledge rather than belief, and you can still present no demonstrative evidence to support the existence of a god, you are an atheist.

      If you have looked in the box that contained the demonstrative evidence, why have you not presented it to support your argument?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      LOL... so I went from the "crazy guy who relies only on faith", to now "not having faith"... lol wow.

      I look for evidence to minister to you.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Eric G

      You have always been a person who denies facts and logic because they do not support the world view that you have accepted because of your inferior intellect. I would never suggest that you rely on your faith because you have not displayed the ability to define your faith. To put it in terms you may understand, you remind me of someone who is morbidly obese and claims that they are trying to lose weight by eating salad with a pound of bacon bits and 2 quarts of ranch dressing. You seem to have the ability to do the research, what you lack is objectivity. You lack the ability to observe all evidence on equal footing and subject all evidence to the same scrutiny.

      All kidding aside, I do pitty you, as I think you have the necessary skill set to make the next step. You just need to realize that you don't need the false safety net of your religious beliefs to catch you. Do the work, make an honest and unbiased effort. I await you on the other side.

      Good luck on your quest.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
  8. martin

    Her Catholic boyfriend said "my way or the hightway". She claims she converted for moral compass reasons. Sounds very shallow and phony to me.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Frank

      Yes, she converted and he still dumped her for being such a fake. I wonder if she would have converted to a Mormon if her boyfriend were one?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  9. TheCapitalist

    It's humorous to see atheists lament "all the harm done in the name of religion", when that pales in comparison to all of the harm done by atheists.

    Mao's China is atheist and slaughtered millions. Hitler's policies were based on science, reason, eugenics, and the theory of evolution which influenced him in his goals to "build a better man". Castro's Cuba, Kim's North Korea, Stalinism, Mussolini... ALL within this past 20th century.

    And atheists love to dig back 1,000 years to the Crusades?? To prove what? That Christians were killed by Catholics and Muslims? LOL... way to re-affirm Christian oppression...

    The "harm done in the name of religion", PALES in comparison to the harm done in the name of godlessness/atheism... there's no comparison.

    June 24, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Eric G

      Again, you apparently are new here. We have discussed, at length, the fact that Hitler was a Catholic, Stalin was a student at a seminary and studied to become a priest, and so on. I am sure you understand that Communisim is a form of government, not a belief system because you are so well read.

      Now, you must provide verifiable evidence that these people did horrific things directly in the name of their "non-belief". Please provide a reference or quote to the effect of "I only do these horrible things because no evidence has been presented that a god exists".

      By the way, for something horrific done by the Catholic Church more recently, how about this one.....
      The Pope told a crowd in Africa that while AID's is horrible, using a condom is worse.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Frank

      What about the tens of thousands of your pedophile priests protected by your pedophile infested church who have raped countless children throughout the centuries and continuing to this day? I don't know how you child rape supporters live with yourselves.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Franko Vanzetti

      What an idiot you are. Hitler was not an atheist. The first thing he did in power was close all secular schools and end all atheist organizations. He did that long before he went after the Jews.

      Mao did not slaughter all that much, actually, and it was always about politics, not religion. His death count has a lot more to do with things like the Great Leap Forward. Atheism was not a driving force for him at all.

      Mussolini remained Catholic. Huge miss on that one. Same with Franco and just about every South American dictator. The others you mentioned were Communists – that was the driving ideology, you incredible nincompoop. The number they killed collectively for religious reasons is tiny.

      On the other hand, the Invasion of the East in the 1200s and the crusades and the Hundred years war and so many others were specifically religious, as was the Inquisitions, witch burnings, heresy trials and torture, and so on.

      But you have already been told this, and you continue to lie, because you are a teenage dumbshit who thinks he knows everything and is gullable enough to believe the most moronic conspiracy theories as long as they seem to support Jesus.

      You are way past med time, little boy.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G…
      Did Hitler ACT like a Catholic? Or could it MAYBE be that he needed the support of Catholic Germany? You guys are all too quick to lament that “supporting Jesus is good politics”… how come you ignore when it suits you?

      Regardless of whatever Hitler claimed his official belief system was, you have conceded that he did base his policies, very much, on science, reason, eugenics, and the theory of evolution. Hitler read a lot of Darwin, he believed that Jews and blacks were inferior BECAUSE of Darwin’s teachings.

      And furthermore, any honest assessor has to see that Hitler practiced an amalgamation of all kinds of pagan religions, as well as Catholicism, as well as Gnosticism, as well as many other philosophies. Hitler also believed in space aliens.

      BOTTOM LINE… his regime was based on scientists using “reason” and “logic”. Even in America, at the time… anyone who did not believe in eugenics was mocked as “irrational”. Eugenics was clearly a HUGE influence on Hitler, and to deny it is intellectually dishonest.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • Eric G

      Sorry, my friend. He was a Catholic. Based on how many Catholic priests have been treating little boys, and how the Chruch has attempted to cover it up, I would say he acted very Catholic indeed.

      You loose.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Franko Vanzetti…

      I did not say that “Hitler was an atheist”, I said that his regime followed “science, reason, the theory of evolution, and EUGENICS”. Since atheists over-value these things… I can very much cite Hitler as an example where “reason” and “logic” and “science” and “evolution” led to disaster, and it did.

      Then why did Mao go out of his way to ban Christianity and churches? Why is it still banned in modern China? “He didn’t slaughter all that much???” 60+ million!! He slaughtered more than ANYONE ELSE in the 20th century… certainly more than Hitler.

      Also, we have already discussed the undeniable link between communism and atheism. The two are joined at the hip.

      Who’s the nincompoop? Me or the one who takes politicians at their word (you)? You reference what they SAY, I reference what they DO… BIG DIFFERENCE.

      The Crusades I have already addressed as what it was… “Catholics killing Christians”.

      And while you launch insults… it only belies the fact that you have no argument. You’re calling me a child when your argument breaks down to, “shut up you poopey-head”. Who’s really immature? As I’ve said… the only reason to resort to insults is because you have nothing left of substance to say.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Where in my Bible does it say to have a Pope? Where in my Bible does it say to have all-forgiving priests? The sacraments? Rosary beads? You conflate Christianity with Catholicism to your detriment.

      I am not Catholic... and I would argue that the atrocities committed by Catholicism, Islam, and Atheism all reflect them to be the perversions and lies that they are.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Very deep thinker

      Where in Darwin's work does he state that Jews and blacks are inferior? Hitler may have come to certain conclusions but not because of Darwin. In fact Darwin's family were anti-slavery.
      btw Catholics are christians.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Jim

      "Regardless of whatever Hitler claimed his official belief system was, you have conceded that he did base his policies, very much, on science, reason, eugenics, and the theory of evolution. Hitler read a lot of Darwin, he believed that Jews and blacks were inferior BECAUSE of Darwin’s teachings."

      So Hitler was an an atheist (despite his public statements otherwise) because of his evil actions? That's a great piece of circular logic given you started out trying to prove atheist are evil because Hitler was an atheist. Try harder.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • TheCapitalist


      The conclusion was not that Hitler was an atheist, but that his regime WAS based on supposed science, reason, logic, evolution, etc. Hitler proves that these things are far from the infallible focuses that atheists portray them to be.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Jim: We have all tried, but apparently TheCapitalist is not allowed to review the list of logical fallacies we have provided him. It must be against his religion.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Franko Vanzetti

      You are a dreary little moron.

      “Science, reason, the theory of evolution" are not aspects of Nazi political theory. "EUGENICS” is not part of any atheist belief system I ever heard of. You have achieved complete non sequitur on that one.

      Mao slaughtered relatively few. Slaughter is intentional. Those body counts were mostly the result of famines – he certainly bungled his economy, but he did not intend to kill those people. Similarly, the mass suicides were not done at his order, not at all. And his atheism played virtually no role in any of it. You tin foil dingbat.

      "Who’s the nincompoop? Me or the one who takes politicians at their word (you)?" Show me anywhere I take politicians at their word. Quote it. Otherwise, you are a nincompoop.

      "The Crusades I have already addressed as what it was… “Catholics killing Christians”." No, you blithering dolt, there was no Catholic/Protestant back then, so it is Christians killing Muslims (not protestants, which did not exist yet).

      "You’re calling me a child" – because you are. Tell everyone how old you are, my little teenage know-it-all dolt.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Franko Vanzetti…

      LOL you must be used to bullying to get your non-points across… your name-calling and condescension scream insecurity.

      Science, reason, evolution, and eugenics WERE part of the Holocaust, the slaughtering of the Jews, the Germans’ belief in conquering the world… the Germans thought they were more evolved (like you). Eugenics and atheism are as tightly linked as atheism is with communism. OBVIOUSLY, not every atheist believes in eugenics, especially not today, but your poor and desperate attempt at reductio absurdum reflects your lack of an actual point.

      You must be a Mao apologist… there are plenty of those… many in the Democratic Party. LOL… “mass suicides”… “not as his order”… for someone who claims to be intelligent and rational you are extremely gullible. Bottom line… a godless state and the abolition of Christianity ARE integral parts of China and Maoism, and you cannot deny that.

      You take Hitler at his word when he “says” he’s a Catholic. You take Mao at his word that “he didn’t pull the trigger”. You assume that Mussolini “taking seminary” means more than it does.

      Yes there was Catholic/Protestant back then… the Crusades were around 1100-1200... The Catholic church formed between 300-500, when the Roman Empire split off into eastern and western halves. This is a blatant error on your part, and I’m sure many of your atheist compadres cringed when they saw what you wrote there…

      LOL… if I’m a child, what does that say about a grown man pulling out his hair arguing with him? LOL

      June 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Eric G

      Hitler was Catholic and never excommunicated. Only one Nazi ever was.

      You still lose.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • DearbornGuy

      Eric G – way to throw out small "facts" like they are huge ones! Hitler a Catholic? Even if he didn't take sacrements after his childhood? And Goebbels said he was anti-Christian and we know he murdered priests? Yeah, that's even less Catholic than Pelosi, believe it or not. And Stalin in the seminary? Sure, on a full scholarship until he was expelled. Hmmmm – sounds like a great Catholic too! And you guys talk about believers not making sense.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  10. martin

    Creator of the Universe has son killed so the Jeffery Dahmer can go to Paradise. Makes sense to me 🙂 She saw wrinkles starting and fear hit her. Fear and greed drive sheep to theism. She never did make real good sense, just liked to argue. Now she's in the eat my flesh drink my blood zombie Jesus camp. Atheists are for freedom of religion, even zombie kinds.

    June 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Wow really? Cuz it seems that fear and deathbeds drive atheists to God...


      June 24, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Very deep thinker

      Hey TC, Just another religious myth.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
  11. TheCapitalist

    Anyone who subscribes to the belief that, "a dog's coat gets thicker in the winter... therefore we evolved from a one-celled amoeba"... has no right to mock anyone else's beliefs as "irrational" or "unrealistic".

    June 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Eric G

      Uh, right.

      Just what, in the name of Zeus's butthole, are you trying to string together there Buckwheat?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Frank

      If your dribble is what Christianity causes then please seek help.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  12. Frank

    What a giant leap to go from an atheist (lack of belief in a deity for lack of evidence) to not only a belief in a deity but the Christian god and then become a member of a human created cult and Catholic at that. As an atheist myself, I don't know how one suspends reason all the sudden and makes such a transition unless some kind of nurosis were to occur.

    June 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • TheCapitalist


      How do you do it? It's pretty neurotic to believe that "if you put paper and ink in a room together, they will evolve into a dictionary."

      June 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Franko Vanzetti

      No atheist believes your ink – dictionary insanity. You made that up, which makes it a straw man fallacy (and an incredibly stupid one at that).

      What a moron you are, little boy.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Franko Vanzetti...

      The "dictionary" comment is satire, reductio absurdum, AND the eventual deconstruction of your belief from an opposing point of view... similar to...

      "A guy in the sky doing magic tricks."

      What's the matter... you can dish it but you can't take it?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Franko Vanzetti

      Show exactly where I say "A guy in the sky doing magic tricks." Quote it.

      That is not reductio ad absurdum. That is pure straw man.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
  13. Kindness

    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    June 24, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • phoodphite

      Oh my – the very end tells the story: Romans. Even if you think Jesus had some nice ideas, these writings from someone who rarely presented Jesus' ideals well has done little more than divide people over the centuries. And please, Kindness, next time provide a Cliff-notes version of your post as well.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Lol

      fuck off, you spamming cunt.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • MyGodsSchlong

      Oh Kindness, you had me at "Accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior"..

      ...had me laughing out loud, that is.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • M

      Thank you for your eloquence in expressing FAITH. I know because I study the scriptures as one of His sheep to be protected and kept from getting lost. God has shown Grace beyond measure. I was not demolished by the evil that I was exposed and passively lived with in the name of religion, I stayed too long thinking I could convert him by being "good". I never could be good enough. That was Christ's mission at the cross. After many years I walk in the Spirit and know what the gift God was by providing the perfect lamb, as He did for Abraham. My child has recently walked out on religion, but I know she is already His. She will be back. I am remarried to a Godly man who continues to try to be love in action. He knows ,as do most who know me that I believe in praying through life . we believe in the moral compass that does not belong to this world. God is my strength and salvation.... Thank God your expression of the truth is smart enough to keep the atheist doubting. God has expressed himself in you. We all must do the work, as it does not come to us thru osmosis, although it could if God so chooses. When I meet someone or am talking to a friend, the Holy Spirit asks me to pray. I do not have the gift of tongues, but I speak what I am asked and as simple as it may be, I generally don,t recall what I said, just tbe basic subject matter. I feel that I have been prompted to pray for them. I have never had anyone other than my daughter decline. I think it is because she is strong willed and needs to experience it herslf. She does at 17respect me for my faith. well again, thank you for your interpretation and anology of christ followers.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
  14. gee-orge

    she's right. non-nihilistic atheism is not intellectually defensible. logical positivists (a lot of them atheists) proved it.

    June 24, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Eric G

      You are correct. I got a wicked case of nihilisim from a positivist once. Trust me, you don't want to get that twice.

      Talk about burning!

      June 24, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • gee-orge

      haha. burns all the time or only when you pee?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Eric G

      Better life through chemistry!

      Well, the little pills and some topical ointment.


      June 24, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
  15. Voice of Reason

    When was the universe created?
    "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." - Genesis 1:1

    Archbishop James Ussher: 22 October 4004 BCE
    The Universe's birthday party
    The full chronology

    Young-Earth Creationists: 6000 – 10,000 years ago
    "...the Biblical chronology is about a million times shorter than the evolutionary chronology. A million-fold mistake is no small matter, and Biblical scholars surely need to give primary attention to resolving this tremendous discrepancy right at the very foundation of our entire Biblical cosmology. This is not a peripheral issue that can be dismissed with some exegetical twist, but is central to the very integrity of scriptural theology." - Henry Morris, The Biblical Basis for Modern Science, Baker,(1984), Page 115.

    Jehovah's Witnesses: 46,026 BCE
    The JW book "Let God Be True" (1946) says that each of the seven days of creation was 7,000 years long. And that since Adam was "created toward the close of the sixth day, he was put on earth toward the end of 42,000 years of earth's preparation." (p. 155) And since "[a]ccording to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 B.C.E., likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation" (April 1, 1968, Watchtower), we know that the universe was created in 46,026 BCE.

    Old-Earth Creationists: Somewhere between 10,000 and 20 billion years
    It's hard to pin these folks down, but they generally accept some form of day-age interpretation for the creation days of Genesis 1.

    Catholic Church: The date cannot be determined from the bible
    "At least 200 dates have been suggested, varying from 3483 to 6934 years B.C., all based on the supposition that the Bible enables us to settle the point. But it does nothing of the sort. ... The literal interpretation has now been entirely abandoned; and the world is admitted to be of immense antiquity. ... On such questions we have no Biblical evidence, and the Catholic is quite free to follow the teaching of science." - Catholic Encyclopedia: Biblical Chronology

    June 24, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Hey Capitalist! Would you like to comment or explain these contradictions?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Voice of Reason...

      Sure... for one thing you are wrong to lump me in with Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses, but I'm sure "we all look the same to you" anyway.

      Moreover... a Christian's faith is not dependent on any "official church statement or declaration". We are all too confronted by false churches and false prophets... I do not necessarily agree with the "declarations of the Catholic church".

      Finally... "it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, while it is to the glory of man to search out a matter." As I said earlier, while God HAS given us plenty of explicit instructions that are beyond the shadow of a doubt (Jesus, heaven, hell)... He also ALLUDES to secrets of the universe that we are not privy to know. We do not need to know how old the earth is in order to be saved... it's not a trivia game... so God leaves that to us to "search out" (though He has given us some clues)...

      June 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
  16. Teen

    MAY GOD BLESS HER!!!!!!!

    June 24, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
  17. One one

    She appears to be another shister trying to cash in on selling believers stories they want to hear.

    June 24, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
  18. Eric G

    50 points to the First Christian who can tell me who this Bio is about.....

    Conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph).
    Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds.
    Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30.
    Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.
    Had 12 disciples.
    Performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water.
    Was called “Iusa”, the "ever-becoming son" and the "Holy Child".
    Delivered a "Sermon on the Mount", and his followers recounted his sayings.
    Was transfigured on the Mount.
    Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected.
    Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God's Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, "the KRST" or "Anointed One”.
    Was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
    Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years.

    Anyone? Anyone?
    Bueller? Bueller?

    June 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy the magnificently addled?

      June 24, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • One one

      Lady Ga Ga ?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Anne Elk?
      Eric the 'alf-a-bee?
      Buffalo with an aqualung?
      The Knights who not longer say Nii, but who now say that until recently lesbianism wasn't gay?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Ah yes the old "Jesus was just a copy of ancient gods and heroes"... this is easily disproved go to zeitgeistchallenge.com... the prophecies about Jesus have been around since before the stories of those ancient heroes... and the Bible was the best-selling book in the old world... it is not at all far-fetched that ancient people would ascribe qualities to their heroes that fit with the qualities of the Bible's Messiah.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Can I answer? I'm an atheist. It was Horus.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Oh, oh, oh – the operators of the russian excavators who heard the voices of the dead screaming from the centre of the earth?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Yes it's from the Zeitgeist movie... I bet Eric G was so proud to think he had an actual point.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Lol Smurfut...

      What was it you said earlier? "You were gonna be blue and the guy you were talkin to would be blew? Was that it, lol?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Eric G

      Capitalist: I wonder how the bible was a best seller in the "old world" considering most of the population was illiterate.

      Prophecies of Jesus existed 3000 years before his birth? Appologetics was not a strong class for you, was it?

      But hey, you might be right. Your god may have liked the Horus story so much that he thought he would borrow most of it for his story. After all, your god has a kick ass legal department. Let those Egyptians try to sue.

      Your reference provides no evidence, only what we have come to expect from your posts. Fingers in ear, LALALALALA!

      Are you just going to skip over the fact that you declared yourself an Atheist earlier in this blog?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      There have been prophecies of Jesus/Messiah since the book of Genesis... so yes... they go back as far as 3,000 years ago and more...

      June 24, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Eric G

      So, someone looks at an ancient prophecy and then claims to be what the prophecy predicts? Hmmm. Sounds like the "self fulfilling prophecy fallacy" to me.

      Did they predict Jesus? No, they did not. Did they embelish the story of Jesus after his death to match the prophecy? Yes, they absolutely did.

      Accept it. It's a stolen story. It's all bullsh1t, and it's bad for ya.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      To imply that it was the "self-fulfilling prophecy" fallacy, would be to imply that the Jews consciously destroyed their own nation, just to fulfill the prophecy. That they somehow kept the conspiracy alive for thousands of years until they pinpointed 1948 as the year to re-establish Israel. And it would imply that Jesus purposely allowed Himself to die... but wait... why would He do that? Unless... He's God?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Eric G

      They did not establish Isreal in 1948. Do you know who did?

      June 24, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  19. Voice of Reason

    Genesis 1:25-27
    (Humans were created after the other animals.)

    And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

    Genesis 2:18-19
    (Humans were created before the other animals.)

    And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    Genesis 1:27
    (The first man and woman were created simultaneously.)

    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Genesis 2:18-22
    (The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.)

    And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    June 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Would the Capitalist like to comment or explain these contradictions?

      June 24, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Voice of Reason...

      Sure again...

      The book of Genesis gives two accounts of the creation... one is a broader look at the 6 days (ch. 1), the other is a more specific look at the 6th day.

      The broader look does not necessarily articulate how and in what order things transpired on the 6th day... so it's not saying that "the animals were first, then Adam" necessarily. Rather, it is simply saying, "the animals and Adam were created on this day". The closer, more in-depth look at the 6th day breaks down the chronological timeline more specifically.

      And really... are you trying to say that one author contradicted himself between chapter 1 and 2? Really? He just forgot what he wrote 5 minutes ago? C'mon now...

      June 24, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      What contradictions voice of reason? I dont see any.
      If you're referring to the fact that the narrative declares God making male and female a few verses before the animals then declaring the creation of Eve afterward, then id say your really stretching it thin if you have a prob with that.
      A cookbook and an assembly manual will generally go in total chron order so the user doesnt mess up the meal or the machine they're building, but the Genesis account is written in an ancient Hebrew style that shares none of your modern techno-biases.
      So again, where's the contradiction?

      June 24, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • Voice of Reason


      I guess there isn't any contradictions if you do not see them. Just like I guess there is a god because I can't see it.

      June 24, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
  20. Star Performer

    My local enemy's pride was defeated tonight.
    English pride was defeated tonight.
    If you are in the habit of demoralising yourself, then why should Society care?

    June 24, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • wasnt funny the other times you posted that, herbie

      you'll keep doing it though.
      it's what you do.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
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