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Sandusky’s pastor addresses conviction from pulpit
Jerry Sandusky leaves court on Friday morning. His church wrestled on Sunday with how to respond.
June 25th, 2012
11:58 AM ET

Sandusky’s pastor addresses conviction from pulpit

By Dana Garrett, CNN

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN)– Jerry Sandusky sits in a county jail cell in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, but his presence and the weight of the 45 guilty verdicts rendered against the former Penn State football coach on Friday night hung in the air Sunday morning at the State College church where he and his wife are longtime members.

Ed Zeiders, the senior pastor at St. Paul’s United Methodist Church, did not shy away from addressing the conviction of his congregant and friend on child sex abuse charges, asking his congregation to “pray for all of those who are victims and for all of those who are predators.”

Zeiders began his sermon with a question.

“In light of the misery, sorrow and suffering we see, affecting every aspect of our life, within us, in the midst of us, and around us – what are we to do,” he asked. “The world needs an answer, our community deserves an answer, and we need to answer together what is the most efficacious way to move forward from here.”

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Saying that the eyes of the nation are fixed on the State College community and, to some degree, on the community of St Paul’s, Zeiders said that “in the midst of the raging storms around us” the church had an opportunity.

“If ever a local congregation has been given a moment to…..reveal what it means to be Christian,” Zeiders said, “this is that congregation in this moment in history.”

Zeiders spoke to what he said was the transformative power and saving grace of God, making a connection between faith and ethical behavior. “If we are to claim Jesus as savior,” he said, “we must, without fail, come face-to-face with our own morality.”

St. Paul's United Methodist Church in State College, Pennsylvania where Jerry Sandusky was a member.

That morality, Zeiders said, should not succumb to the idea that “my faith and my morality are solely my business.”

“We have seen the evidence of what that means, again and again, and we are feeling the pain of such a thing today,” he said.

Zeiders’ message of morality extended to institutions, including, by inference, Penn State. “This is a turning point when evidence is everywhere that our leaders have failed,” he said.

Speaking after the service, Zeiders said he has maintained his pastoral relationship with the Sanduskys throughout the trial, and that he was in the courtroom last Monday when the defense began its case. He hasn’t talked to Jerry Sandusky since the former assistant coach’s Friday incarceration, but he is making arrangements to do so. He continues to see Sandusky’s wife, Dottie, who he says is “holding up.”

Most congregants at St. Paul’s did not want to talk about the verdict.

“You have no idea how difficult this has been for our congregation,” said one female church member who did not want to be identified. “We are like a family, and the allegations were stunning. I didn’t want to believe them, but there was too much evidence not to.”

Another congregant, who said she chose not to read any news coverage of the trial, struggled with her own internal conflict, saying she trusted that the jury had made the right decision while holding out hope that Sandusky did not really abuse the boys who testified against him.

The late morning service on Sunday included a baptism. Afterward, Zeiders called on his flock to take an oath to “guard and protect” children, reminding them they were the stewards of their safety.

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The Gospel lesson on Sunday recounted the story of Jesus sleeping on a boat while a storm rages all around. His disciples awaken him, and Jesus rebukes the wind and the waves: “Peace! Be still!”

Zeiders drew from those words to help his congregants through what had been a difficult week.

“Sure, the darkness is deep and the waves are powerful, but this is the time to engage the world, not run from it,” he said from the pulpit. “This is the day of our saving. God always speaks the loudest when the waves are the highest. Peace! Be still!”

CNN's Kiran Khalid contributed to this report.

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soundoff (481 Responses)
  1. kindness

    I Follow Christ . I never wanted proof. I just had faith.

    HE WHO follows Me, walks not in darkness,” says the Lord (John 8:12). By these words
    of Christ we are advised to imitate His life and habits, if we wish to be truly enlightened and
    free from all blindness of heart. Let our chief effort, therefore, be to study the life of Jesus
    Christ.
    The teaching of Christ is more excellent than all the advice of the saints, and he who
    has His spirit will find in it a hidden manna. Now, there are many who hear the Gospel often
    but care little for it because they have not the spirit of Christ. Yet whoever wishes to understand
    fully the words of Christ must try to pattern his whole life on that of Christ.

    What good does it do to speak learnedly about the Trinity if, lacking humility, you
    displease the Trinity? Indeed it is not learning that makes a man holy and just, but a virtuous
    life makes him pleasing to God. I would rather feel contrition than know how to define it.
    For what would it profit us to know the whole Bible by heart and the principles of all the
    philosophers if we live without grace and the love of God? Vanity of vanities and all is vanity,
    except to love God and serve Him alone.

    This is the greatest wisdom—to seek the kingdom of heaven through contempt of the
    world. It is vanity, therefore, to seek and trust in riches that perish. It is vanity also to court
    honor and to be puffed up with pride. It is vanity to follow the lusts of the body and to desire
    things for which severe punishment later must come. It is vanity to wish for long life and
    to care little about a well-spent life. It is vanity to be concerned with the present only and
    not to make provision for things to come. It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not
    to look ahead where eternal joy abides.
    Often recall the proverb: “The eye is not satisfied with seeing nor the ear filled with
    hearing.”1 Try, moreover, to turn your heart from the love of things visible and bring
    yourself to things invisible. For they who follow their own evil passions stain their consciences
    and lose the grace of God.

    See for yourself.

    June 25, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Huebert

      "I Follow Christ . I never wanted proof. I just had faith."

      Why are you proud of the middle part?

      June 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      " I never wanted proof"
      So, basically you're saying that the christians got to you first. If the muslims got to you first, you wouldnt have wanted proof either? Hindus? Mormons? scientologists?

      June 25, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • The Hidden Truth That You All Must Obey!

      I follow Sniffy Bob, The Great God Of Midget-Tossing. I never wanted any proof, which is really convenient when there isn't any. The words of Sniffy Bob soothe all and answers all – "Yeah, verily, go forth and bowl at Larry's Bowl-O-Rama." This is the greatest wisdom.

      I find it quite helpful to speak in such lofty terms about things I know nothing about and really only imagine, so that I do not look the total fool that everyone else sees me as. Works for Christians, works for me.

      If you don't believe and obey Sniffy Bob, you will spend the rest of eternity bowling very badly in the Gutter of Fire.

      June 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Which God??

      Ho hum. Another blind faithfool posting his pap.

      June 26, 2012 at 9:44 am |
  2. kindness

    A thought to consider without an ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    June 25, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • QS

      Look at all that ego in your comment!

      June 25, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • wrong side of the bed

      Perhaps you should be out on the street with your"second coming of jesus"sandwich board.Let people get a good look at the neighbourhood religious nut.Or,are all your neighbours the same as you?Or,maybe it"s raining too hard where you live.

      June 25, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Iceman6161

      I aint no mother@#$$#@%^^^^^ @#%#^$$^%&$^got@#$@%%^@%$$dam#$@%$^^sinner!!! when you finish writting all that Jesus is going to have to come down and tell me sum bull like that!!

      June 26, 2012 at 1:37 am |
  3. WASP

    @really: so god knew these children would suffer unimaginible pain, loose their innocense, have to live feeling violated and dealing with the trama caused by what sandusky did to them and HE didn't see fit to stop such an act? how pleasent you must sleep at night knowing your god is watching over you with the same care and attention he gave these children.
    so the devil made him do it and we are all listening to "the great deciever" the biggest deception committed against humans was the invention of religion, all religion. you are so deluded, that you are blaming the actions of this monster on the fracking boogieman. get real, either your god is a sick ba st ard or he doesn't exsist.

    June 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      You might need to adjust your thinking. Instead of saying that religion is the greatest deception ever foisted upon mankind, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "man has an unlimited capacity to deceive himself with religion, with science, his own pride, his own weakness."? We already know that man is a sick b*ast*rd of his own making. In Jesus, God waded into the sewer man made for himself and offered a solution.
      Or you could use evolutionary theory to justify man's behavior. Darwin observed that red ants enslave black ones. Some types of bees attack other types of bees and wipe out the entire hive. Plant flowers and the weeds choke them out. Man is just acting according to the nature evolution gave him.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Pop Quiz ! !

      What sounds most likely?

      A. Man is acting according his nature
      B. God waded into the sewer

      What sounds Like insane gibberish?
      A. Man is acting according his evolved nature
      B. God waded into the sewer

      June 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Madtown

      catholic engineer
      In Jesus, God waded into the sewer man made for himself and offered a solution
      -------
      Why a solution to such a small segment of the human population of the world at that time? God is almighty, created heaven and earth. Why only 1 son to deliver a solution? And, why only those in a small area of the middle east? Why didn't God also send a son/daughter to the people of the far east? To the people of South America? What about the native American people of the north? Were they not worthy of receiving this solution? God could've sent any number of his sons/daughters, to all his creations in all corners of the globe, if there really were truly only "1 path".

      June 25, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • bubbles

      Yet it didnt happen to YOU?

      if it happened to you..your own tone would change

      June 25, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Madtown,

      Let's look at what you said from a different perspective. What has God done with one son? Created a belief system that has transcended 2,000 years and has easily become the most prolific faith in the world today. 2.2 billion Christians in the world. That's nearly 1/3 of the population.

      No one can answer why God did or did not do something. That's asking people to understand the mind of God.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Madtown

      DamianKnight
      No one can answer why God did or did not do something. That's asking people to understand the mind of God.
      ------
      Yet, christians do this all the time. My entire point is, you can't claim your man-made religion is the "true and only way", if the entire human race is not privy to it. No matter what, there will always be millions of human beings who've never heard of the christian way, through no fault of their own. As all human beings are equal in terms of basic human value, if there was only 1 way to gain God's favor, God would allow all to have access to it. The fact that not all have access to it, means it cannot possibly be the "only way".

      June 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • bubbles

      than atheism cant be the "only way"

      June 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Madtown

      Unless that particular god is a jerk, which the abrahamic god seems to be on a fairly regular basis.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Rick Shellhammer

      We all wouldn't have free will without the possibility of some of us from abusing that freedom. If bad actions or outcomes were changed no one would really have free will. See CS Lewis. "The Problem With Pain.". Great book maybe you should read it just to get some other perspective.

      June 25, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  4. Christian witness

    @ Last Action ... I agree with you on the free will thingy... But God is not our litle waitor who runs when we call him...

    In America we make too many excuses for God and that also contrubutes to bad or misbehaviour ...God is only interested in those who give up their lives and persue himn with all that is all all all all of their heart to follow him... He is VERY DEMANDING .....and that is the most missed message of Christianity..... GOD IS VERY DEMANDING ...VERY!!!! 🙂 🙂

    June 25, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • derp

      "But God is not our litle waitor who runs when we call him..."

      So you are saying that god does not answer prayers?

      June 25, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Madtown

      He is VERY DEMANDING .....
      -----
      Interesting. How is it that you know this?

      June 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Ed

      I think CW is saying God is not our servant

      June 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Huebert

      "God is only interested in those who give up their lives and persue him"

      Then why did god bother making everyone else?

      June 25, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • derp

      "I think CW is saying God is not our servant"

      So then we can all agree that god does not answer prayers.

      Which means praying is a complete and total waste of time.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • wrong side of the bed

      We are all born atheist.It is then that we are trained to worship one of man's religions.It is then that we are trained to disregard all other beliefs.This is all in man's plan for man.Man's design.If this is the design of a god,I say"Some design,some designer".

      June 25, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
  5. LinCA

    I bet Sandusky prayed for his urges to go away. I bet his wife prayed he would stop. I bet those that suspected, prayed it wasn't true. I bet that those that knew, prayed nobody would find out.

    I bet that not a single one of those prayers worked.

    I bet that if a few more people had actually done something when they knew or suspected, things would have turned out differently.

    June 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • bubbles

      fear-the very thing atheists ignore in these types of situations.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • LinCA

      @bubbles

      You said, "fear-the very thing atheists ignore in these types of situations."
      Fear of what? Grow some fucking balls and stand up for those that can't stand up for themselves.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • sam

      bubbles...you're ridiculous.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • bubbles

      when you lie do you always tell the truth? Thats not taking any personal resposiblity.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • LinCA

      @bubbles

      You said, "when you lie do you always tell the truth? Thats not taking any personal resposiblity."
      When you thought this up, did it make any sense? Any at all?

      June 26, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  6. Mr. Sniffles, Doc Vestibule's Non-Working Cat

    Yes, once again Christian morality proves its effectiveness at improving the human race.

    June 25, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Christian witness

      maybe you would liek a place where Christians are not so great in number say liek Paksitqan or maybe North Korea..

      You know in North Korea they kill Christians on sight or discovery instant death ...You know I feel very strongly that if you would liek to go to liev in that nation I JUST BET A LOT OF CHRISTIANS WOULD BE GLAD to contribute to your departure for a more pleasant place like that.. 🙂 🙂 there your dear leader is god and you better worship him.. 🙂

      June 25, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Frank

      No, an atheist society like most of Scandinavia is ideal. You Christian nut bags clog our prisons and try to turn the US into a theocracy. You Abrahamic cults should just die off already.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Mr. Sniffles, Doc Vestibule's Non-Working Cat

      I wood leik that a lott.

      Du yu have a problum wif Paksitqan? Is Paksitqan near Irunned or Abgunitqan?

      I wood liek to liev in Cauliflowerornia.

      If I can ask, do you type with a mallet?

      June 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • derp

      "If I can ask, do you type with a mallet?"

      No, but it is quite clear he has been hit with one.

      Often, and repeatedly.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
  7. Stargazer

    Dottie Sandusky ignored the pleas of the victims in the basement as they cried out for help. She is no better than Sandusky himself. The whole thing makes me sick. The victims have to live with this for the rest of their lives, while Sandusky receives forgiveness from his pastor and congregation. What an upstanding Christian man he is. Puke.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • wrong side of the bed

      With a weekly visit from the good pastor,the good coach's soul will be completely prepped for eternity at the side of Jesus.Perhaps some of the coach"s victims are atheists and he can observe their eternal torture.Some concept eh?I welcome all christians to respond to this post.........I thought not!!

      June 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
  8. Nick

    This is what I never understood about religion, how do you justify it when something like this happens? Here we have Jerry Sandusky, a man of faith, who committed horrible awful crimes against humanity. Where was god? Where was jesus? Why didn't they stop this man? I never understood how people so willingly give themselves up to faith but then ignore glaring signs like this that Religion is a hoax.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      They are too busy helping Tim Tebow win football games.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • runwiththrdevil

      btk killer was a deacon in his chruch bowing and praying and kissing ass on sundays, killing innocent victims on wednesdays

      June 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • derp

      God flipped the free will coin and Sundusky won.

      God would have liked to help the kids who were getting a dick shoved up their butts, but their side of the freewill coin ended up facing down.

      Sandusky wins. He gets to plow child butt. The kids get the shaft, both literally and figuratively.

      Isn't god awesome.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Christian witness

      Jacques I have to reluctanly agree with you... but don't let those distract you from the ones who leave the country for lesser nations of people who have real needs adn who share Jesus with them..

      I would agree that most all of us Christians should get our azzes out of America or fly right for Jesus

      June 25, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • bubbles

      The man acted upon his free will.

      the real question is...WHERE was humanity?

      June 25, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Christian witness

      I dis agree with you bubbles I believe the man acted upon his impulses ... I believe those impulses were perpetuated by satanic influiences...

      June 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Frank

      Lol...blame Satan. Just wished Jesus was as powerful as the prince of darkness. Anything to maintain your delusion I suppose no matter how disgusting that is.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      You know I find it truly amazing how christians can completely disregard anything resembling personal responsibility.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • bubbles

      How so? when i said HE did it..

      June 25, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      Allow me to qualify.

      You know I find it truly amazing how some christians can completely disregard anything resembling personal responsibility.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • bubbles

      Lol you stated what you stated before?

      HE DID it.You like to blame religion for your own personal self gain.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      Reading comprehension is your friend. I clarified that SOME christians do that. Perhaps you need glasses? You can borrow mine.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      There are people who commit atrocities on this Earth. And they are from all walks of life. What's the common denominator? They're all human. Humans are selfish creatures and generally content with whatever makes *them* feel best...and many times, it is at the expense of the poor and the weak.

      June 25, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • bubbles

      But those Christians only represent themselves and NO ONE else.

      Can't you read?

      June 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      As opposed to representing who or what else?

      June 25, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • bubbles

      So what another person of the same faith does that lives across the globe is held accountable as well?

      I see the flaws in atheism already.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      So according to your own logic, nothing anyone else ever does should be representative of anything other than themselves? Which means any scientist that claims religion should hold no weight (even though it does among many religious people) as validation that science and religion may be compatible.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • bubbles

      What they desire you ignore but instead believe their lies of "Godtoldmetodoit".

      June 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @bubbles

      And yet their "gold told me to" is indistinguishable from anyone elses.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
  9. derp

    The awesome thing about christianity is that Sundusky still gets to go to heaven. He can confess his sins, repent, and ask for forgiveness.

    It's all good. Jerry gets to ride the UP escalator because we are all sinners, and all sins are forgivable.

    Thank you jesus, for dyeing for Jerry Sandusky's sins. Of all people, he REALLY needed it. There was no way that child mole sting animal was getting into heaven without you.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • bob

      Terp's comments, albeit cynical as hell, are true.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Christian witness

      not ncessararily ...true repentance requires a broken and contrite spirit...which also demands obedience

      June 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • mugglesmom

      Of all the comments I've read thus far,yours' is the one that rings true for me. No matter how bad the deed, all I need to do is ask for forgiveness. So I can spend eternity with some pretty awful folks or just not exist when I die. I choose the later.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Really Jersey

      You ignore the fact that to get there Sandusky would have to undergo a total conversion of heart & abhor his sins utterly. Even then he will be held accountable by God for his actions. Jesus opens a pathway, but it must be followed. Jerry strayed from the path so badly with his disgusting selfishness that it will be difficult for him to avoid being utterly lost.
      Miracles still do occur; but since Jerry is still fighting taking responsibility by appealing the guilty verdict, I cannot hold out much hope for his salvation.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  10. Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

    Kinda interested as to why, with all of these child abuse scandals, CNN has not picked up the story about a California court deciding that the Jehovah's Witnesses had to pay $28 million to a victim of child abuse.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  11. IslandAtheist

    If he's going to Heaven, I'll take Hell.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Joe H

      If you ARE an atheist, it's yours.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • derp

      Fine with me.

      When Jerry is forgiven for his sins, you'll get to hang out with him in heaven.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      Joe: Why do you think that atheists care one bit about "hell"?

      June 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Christian witness

      @ Joe H , he doesent have to be an athiest to go to hell.. Jesus siad broad is the way to destruction and many there be57 billion is excessive that go in there at, and narrow is the path to life and few there be that find it... in the Usa there is a 78 % christian population yet 57 billion is alcohol sales every year now... 🙂 🙂

      June 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Madtown

      No such place as "hell". At least, nowhere you'd go for an eternity, certainly not for committing the "crime" of not believing in a specific form of man-made religion. Also, to be punished for eternity, for a finite sin? Makes no sense.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • derp

      "@ Joe H , he doesent have to be an athiest to go to hell.. Jesus siad broad is the way to destruction and many there be57 billion is excessive that go in there at, and narrow is the path to life and few there be that find it... in the Usa there is a 78 % christian population yet 57 billion is alcohol sales every year now..."

      Is your keyboard autistic?

      June 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • wrong side of the bed

      If you die and go to heaven,you then realize that hell also exists.Then you realize than your dear old grampy(who didn't go to church)is being tortured for ever.I choose not to believe in this hideous concept.Anyone else can take comfort in this idea if they choose.That is religious freedom.

      June 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Really Jersey

      To be honest Island Atheist, I do not expect to see Jerry in heaven. Jerry remains unrepentant of his sins. Heaven does not possess an Easy Pass lane for him. His football fame cuts no deal with God. Nor does any hypocrisy he may say without truly changing his inner self.
      One sign he is definitely not going there... Filing an appeal for his conviction.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  12. Paul C. Kranz

    It is much easier to live the Bible at church than it is a block away.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Christian witness

      not true..... it is easier to live for Jesus every moment than not to, when he lives inside you ... 🙂 🙂

      June 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  13. Carrie

    Dottie is not a mother!!!!!!A mother someone who protect all children she didn't even protect her own children. please don't call her a mother may she burn in hell with that sick f@#$ shes married to sick sick sick sick sick

    June 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • 2LiveJew

      Dottie is at the top of the list of enablers, the preacher not too far down, but it's an awfully long list, now ain't it?

      Guess what? It usually is.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Christian witness

      are you planning to join her in hell... you know hell is for those who could not see their own failure are you one of those? especially now since you get to seen people there???

      June 25, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
  14. dea

    Its all so sad..........

    June 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  15. dea

    It's all just sad.......

    June 25, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  16. WIlliam Demuth

    Dottie is complicit.

    I believe the victims should be permitted to bugger her in the basement of the Sandusky home, while her children sit upstairs listening.

    You wanna be they will hear her screaming?

    I hope she burns in her imaginary hell.

    June 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  17. Bootyfunk

    “pray for all of those who are victims and for all of those who are predators.”

    that he would bother praying for the predators is a slap in the face to the victims. disgusting.

    June 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • only now

      I can certainly understand your frustration, but until we can heal the predators of whatever is wrong with them, they will abuse. What can be more forward thinking than to heal an abuser so he does not abuse anymore. Anyone who hurts a child, or an adult for that matter, is obviously sick in some way and needs help. We don't have to like them, and certainly don't condone the behavior. But harboring hatred doesn't fix the problem, it only adds to it.
      I'm not much of a church -goer, but I agree with this minister.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I have the perfect cure for the predators. It's called Smith and Wesson.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Christian witness

      I agree with only now.... people are not just born to be predators something aweful has happened to them...whatever it is or was has to be fixed... How would you like to be one of them????

      June 25, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  18. Jess Sayin

    Rather than checking on how Dottie Sandusky is holding up, wouldn't Jesus have checked up on the many young innocents whose lives were destroyed by these monsters?

    June 25, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Actually, He would have checked up on both.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • uh-huh

      I think its profound that people not only find God's judgment offensive, but also his forgiveness.

      I couldn't live without both.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @Uh-huh: Well said.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • memyself

      jesus is laughing his ass off at what a dumb jerk sandusky is

      June 25, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Christian witness

      You underestimate the power of Jesus Christ...he has already taken care of everything ..He is riesen from the dead...and advises everyone to follow him... 🙂
      can you live on after death... By Jesus Christ I am... 🙂

      June 25, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Portland tony

      Their lives destroyed ....until they a piece of that civil action award........And all who are touched by perverts are not necessarily ruined for life....The human spirit can overcome just about anything if allowed!

      June 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • derp

      "You underestimate the power of Jesus Christ...he has already taken care of everything"

      he hasn't taken care of jack shyt. He is a powerless pansy who has never helped a single abused child. Jesus should be ashamed of himself for allowing that monster to ruin those children's lives.

      But no, instead he will welcome Sandusky to heaven with open arms once he repents.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
  19. Rational Libertarian

    "Pray for predators"

    Sounds like the Catholic Church has a new slogan, look out for their hot new DVD, Backdoor Altar Boys Gone Wild.

    June 25, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Rundvelt

      I honestly think that the church should be indicted under RICO (or some such law) for hiding criminals and helping them evade prosecution.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Really

      Really? The Christian faith teaches us to pray not only for the saved but for the unsaved. The sinner and the repentant. It is not a sign of support of the behavior, but a sign that we pray that they change the behavior and that they are led back to the right path.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Madtown

      Really
      Really? The Christian faith teaches us to pray not only for the saved but for the unsaved
      -----–
      The christian faith teaches extreme arrogance, with the notion that those human beings who don't explicitly follow this sub-set of man-made principles(christianity) are "unsaved".

      June 25, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Really Jersey

      The quote was from a Methodist minister. His job is to help everyone. You will notice he put the victims first in his prayers.
      The Catholic church was not connected in any way with the Penn State cover up scandal that allowed the abuse to go on for over a decade & a half. You do seem to have an irrational hatred of the Catholic church despite calling yourself Rational Libertarian. This time the abuse & cover up did not happen anywhere near any church at all.
      This all happened in a purely secular program. Just like it has happened so many times before in other secular groups like the Boy Scouts, or baseball leagues over the past 4 decades.
      Your anti Catholic bigotry is not very rational, try blaming your sports mania this time.

      June 26, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things says

    Were was God when the kids being rap.ed by that monster, were praying for God to make it stop? God didn't care, or he was out of the office, or maybe they deserved it (as some Christian apologist would suggest)?
    Prayer does nothing, its a fvcking pipe dream. No god.

    June 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • sally

      Or if there is, he has tired of his toys and doesn't care.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Maybe he was having a cigarette break, or maybe he was being serviced by a lady of the night. I guess the G Man needs to alleviate stress as much as the next infinitely powerful deity.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Rundvelt

      The most common response you'll get from the faithful regarding this is that "everyone has to have free will."

      The problem with this, is that they ignore the fact that the actions of this monster limited the free will of his victims. Therefore, the only resonable conclusion is that God favours the free will of evil people over the free will of innocents.

      They don't like hearing that.

      What's also a good thing to keep in mind is that if this person finds God and repents, then he'll get into heaven and be able to enjoy the rest of his eternity. While a man who was never exposed to God, but lived his life sacrificing and helping others would burn in hell.

      There is no justice in Christian Theology. Because justice is metered based on how much you're willing to grovel towards God, not whom you've harmed.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      Rundvelt,
      You said it correctly when it was this monster who limited the free will of his victims.

      Where you are mistaken is that you wrongly conclude that bad people have more favor than good people. Christian theology state all are equal, that includes the bad people as well as the good people.
      It is helpful to remember that ultimately there are not "bad" or "good" people there are just people who make good and bad (in this case plain evil) decisions.

      This is the blessing and curse of free will. We have the freedom to be good and evil and when ever we choose evil we hurt and limit the free will of others.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      Oh, and I am a Mennonite who is a born again Christian who invites ex-cons into his home with their families and helps them find work, get involved in the church and community and I also hold them accountable to stay clean because so many of them do want to change.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Loki

      I am a much better god. Kneel before me and I'll take care of this mess.

      June 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      Loki
      LOL, I am going to send the Hulk after you!

      June 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Last action hero

      Free will is a cop out, and an easy loophole for Christians to use when explaining why their God is ALWAYS a fvcking no show, never intervenes, and is soooo powerful, except when it comes to humans, his own creation. Either God is a sadistic pansy who doesn't give a sh•t, or God does not exist. Which one seems more reasonable?

      June 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Really

      The old "God Should Have Stopped this" statement...God does not halt sinners from sinning, God does not keep bad things from happening to people! God did not create us to be drones, only faithful to Him and free from sin. You have free will, if you want to go out and kill someone today God will not stop you from doing it. Why? The answers are all in the Bible. Some of you will not take it for truth, because you are listening to the Deceiver. He does not want you to believe it, he doesn't even want you to believe he exists either. Whatever he can tell you to keep you from God, he will tell you, because he hates God and he hates you. He told Sandusky that what we was doing was ok because that is what he does, anything to destroy you.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Really, you are the smae kind of person that believes in miracles like the virgin mary appearing on a cheese sandwich, or you had your cross and survived a horrible car wreck with only a few scratches and believe that God saved you. You believe god will intervene in things like that and not in things like this. It is a double standard.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Rundvelt

      > Where you are mistaken is that you wrongly conclude that bad people have more favor than good people. Christian theology state all are equal, that includes the bad people as well as the good people.

      But they're not equal. Whenever an evil person does something horrible to a good person, then God allows the evil person's free will to trump the good person's free will. You cannot have both sir.

      > It is helpful to remember that ultimately there are not "bad" or "good" people there are just people who make good and bad (in this case plain evil) decisions.

      So Jesus wasn't a good person? He just made good decisions?

      > This is the blessing and curse of free will. We have the freedom to be good and evil and when ever we choose evil we hurt and limit the free will of others.

      Yes, and God permits you to limit the free will of others. Therefore, he sides with the evil people all the time. Which makes him apathetic or evil.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • QS

      "God did not create us to be drones, only faithful to Him..."

      Anybody else see the irony of this comment besides me?

      June 25, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Really Jersey

      Humans had the opportunity to report this pedophile & stop it. You should be asking them these questions. It is humans who make a he11 on Earth not God.

      June 26, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
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