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Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.
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CNN: Judge orders Catholic cleric to remain in jail for now
The highest-ranking Catholic church cleric charged and convicted in the landmark child sexual abuse trial will remain in jail for the time being, a Philadelphia judge ordered Tuesday. Monsignor William Lynn was found guilty Friday of one count of child endangerment, the first time a U.S. church leader has been convicted of such a charge.
CNN: Road tripping nuns hit middle America
A few months ago Sister Simone Campbell was in a brainstorming meeting trying to come up with ways to get the public's attention. "We thought maybe we could buy an online ad,” said Campbell, the executive director of NETWORK, a liberal Catholic social justice lobby based in Washington. Everything changed after the Vatican publicly scolded The Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an umbrella group for U.S. nuns, for allowing "radical feminist themes” to go unchecked a conferences and in their literature.
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The Huffington Post: Presbyterian Vote On Gay Marriage, Divestment, At General Assembly
When thousands of members of the Presbyterian Church (USA) convene in Pittsburgh this week for their denomination's biennial gathering, they will debate more than 800 proposals on topics ranging from doctrinal statements to the church's role in aiding the nation's economic recovery.
The Scotsman: Loch Ness monster cited by US schools as evidence that evolution is myth
Thousands of American school pupils are to be taught that the Loch Ness monster is real – in an attempt by religious teachers to disprove Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution. Pupils attending privately-run Christian schools in the southern state of Louisiana will learn from textbooks next year, which claim Scotland’s most famous mythological beast is a living creature.
The Christian Post: Poll: Mormons Don't Trust the Media to Cover Them Fairly
A strong majority (67.5 percent) of those who belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do not trust the media to cover their faith fairly, according to a new poll conducted by Key Research and the Center of the Study of Elections and Democracy at Brigham Young University.
Religion News Service: Traditionalist SSPX calls Vatican offer ‘clearly unacceptable’
A breakaway traditionalist Catholic group on Monday slammed as “clearly unacceptable” a Vatican doctrinal document that was supposed to lay the foundation for the group's reconciliation with Rome. The move comes after three years of complex negotiations between the Vatican and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), and was revealed just as Pope Benedict XVI appointed a high-profile American archbishop to a key post to oversee relations with traditionalists.
The Jewish Telegraphic Agency: New $1 million ‘Jewish Nobel Prize’ established
The establishment of the Genesis Prize, which is being touted as a "Jewish Nobel Prize" and worth $1 million, was announced. The international prize was announced Tuesday in a statement from the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that included Jewish Agency Chairman Natan Sharansky and Genesis Philanthropy Group founder Mikhail Fridman. The prize will be awarded to Jews who win global recognition for their professional achievements, including in the world of science and the arts.
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All believers should respect creation as a great gift from God, as the environment in which they live and which they should leave as an inheritance to the next generations, so that all can enjoy its fruits and live in peace together with the Lord’s other creatures
Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told the Catholic News Agency after the NWG Auto Company gifted an electric vehicle to Pope Benedict XVI. Lombardi spoke of the Pope’s concern for environment, adding that the Pope “invites all, not only believers, to have this positive relationship with creation and to also see man as the most important creation in creation, and therefore not to separate care for the environment from care for man.”
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CNN International's Charles Hodson was shocked to be asked if he'd considered the priesthood, then realized he had been called.
CNN: My Faith: Amid cameras and countdowns, a higher calling
CNN International business news anchor Charles Hodson charts the journey that has taken him from the studio to the brink of ordained ministry – and explains how he plans to combine priesthood with his 34-year career in broadcast journalism.
the bible is propaganda to promote a story based on no evidence but someone elses say so. fact!
food for thought.
there were many so called messiahs at that time in history – in fact allthroughout history there have been messiah after messiah yet still the same mess and no grand exit with fire and brimstione! Little known fact (if you believe of course) the J man already rose and left...you that believe and are still here believing are wasting your time. You can find this to be true in your bibles. I believe it was on the third day after his death, a sunday if i'm not mistaken. According to the apocryphal gospel of nicodemus, he (jesus) went to the place where people went when they died and freed all who was worthy then brought them to the place of his "father" thereby creating by default a place where the worthy go, "heaven" , and where the not so worthy go, the other place , "hell"...the original underword which if you study the MYTHS of the time you come to an uncanny conclusion. All belief systems of this time period have a place where people go but not a good or bad place, just a place...some have a place where REALLY bad go but most just have the underworld type set-up as the afterlife myth. The early folks built their MYTH onto this – they rather piggy-backed it if you will. It is a form of appealing to the m@sses while telling them a different story and creating a new foundation for something else – in this case heaven and hell. It was only after "coming back" did people really start to believe in him – i mean other then the 12...and did you also know that it wasn't for a VERY long time after his death that people started believing....its called the time it takes for the "gullibility factor" to set in. For those who value truth over myths check out zoroastrianism for the first true good vs bad combo as equals in the struggle for control over the world. Everything else before was both good and bad all in one and then many of them – a pantheon of powers to go along with a pantheon of mythical creations of creation. But again, you who believe in the daddy-o of jesus as the only god call this belief pagan and mythical ...aka not real...here is a quote i'm sure has been on these blogs many times and will be again...
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
food for thought.
quote from me – Until you have tangible evidence for the existence of god, the notion of god remains in the realm of ideas.
the hippypoet 🙂
Prayer changes things
Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
One thing is very evident today, nobody seems to care that that a priest is in jail for wrong doing, nor that a bunch of nuns are tripping around in a bus. Of the nearly 100 comments on this board not one has anything to do with either of those topics: I think CNN editors ought to take note.
Shut up you nut gobbler. Go choke to death on a transients aids filled man milk, while you get your butt fisted buy a huge black body builder and your dong gets cut off buy a broken vodka builder.
By vodka builder, do you mean russian potato farmer?
clown question bro: Riddle us this...who wrote the buybull? When? Do you believe it to be true or do you only believe parts of it? How many virgin births do you know of outside the buybull? How many dead people have been brought back to life after 3 days of apparently being dead? If evolution is just a theory and you believe in creationism, please explain how the earth was populated? How old is the earth? Was there really a massive flood and if so why would such a good loving god kill so many people and animals?-Do you not find that slightly absurd? Do you care that what you believe is true?
How many baseball teams that won the 1986 world series do you? So there for it may never have happened.
How many TruthPrevails are there in the world? Therefore you may never have existed
Where is fallacy spotter or does he only focus on the believers.
your comment derailed my brain mike... thanks
Mike is using the fallacy-spotter fallacy in thinking someone else is required to fulfill his childish expectations, and is also engaging in "troll" behavior, as well as expecting other people to fill in the blanks for his loser ass.
Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, is a day that will live in history as the Wednesday that was known as June 27th in the year 2012.
PRAISE THE LORD!
Yea verily, had Sky Buddy Jesus not done his morning exercises and pushed the sun up over the horizon, it would have remained Tuesday that is the 26th of the Jesusy month called June, an acronym for "Jesus Uses Nair Extensively", so named so that we can praise his use of hair and dermatological products that rendered him a blond-haired blue-eyed white guy in the Middle East.
And praise be praise that it is the year 2012, which is the time from his birth 2018 years ago, not a boo-boo or anything by the infallible Vatican, but thruthy truthy.
Say pray early, pray often in praise of not being stuck in Tuesday the 26th forever and ever, thanks to Jesus' morning work-out!
Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once at the number three, being the third number to be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.
Nobody worships evolutionary theory you dimwit.
to many atheists evolution is a religion.They put all faith into that theory when..its just another theory.
"Just another theory"
How many to es have we seen ignorant fundiots post this exact phrase? It simply shows that they choose to be ignorant about science in general, and the scientific method in particular. They don't even understand that in science, theory is as high as it gets.
The "Theory of evolution" is no longer a theory, hasn't been for many years. It is proven fact as we have seen it with our own eyes countless, thousands of times.
You would be better off arguing that evolution does happen, but it is part of "Gods" plan. That might still be able to be disputed.
There is also quantum theory, its still the basis for almost all digital electronics we have developed. Oh yea, and germ theory, which is used to create new flu shots every year. And gravity is also just a theory. So I guess you can't believe in any of those either.
Do you understand natural selection? Without a full understanding of natural selection, not believing in evolution is like not believing in gravity because you don't understand movement.
The theory of evolution will always be a theory. Theories exist to explain sets of facts, laws, observations, predictions, etc.
evolution does not prove what atheists believe is correct.
Evolution doesn't disprove what atheists believe. Most atheist may BELIEVE something, but know proving it is a different thing entirely.
Man created God in his image. If it were the other way around, explain the following:
God has eyes. He would not need them until he "created light."
God has Ears. There would have been no sound until he "created" matter
God has hair. Can't imagine a purpose for this at all
God has genitalia. Why since the are no others would he need to mate.
God has feet, there was nothing to stand on
ETC, ETC, ETC
It is clear to any who have reasoned it out, that man made god in his own image, and created the bible , and EVERY RELIGION THAT EVER WAS OR WILL BE
Only what is real can be said to be the truth. Your made-up god and religion are not real. Your religion is a lie.
atheism is a lie.
@ClownGuy – "evolution does not prove what atheists believe is correct."
Then why have religious nutters like you freaked out about it for over a century? Oh, I know, it DISPROVES the cosmological and anthropological myths of every religion on the planet. It shows that there is absolutely no reason at all that a creator phantom is necessary or even hinted at in the evidence. It shows, like all other science and physical exidence, that the system is natural and does it's thing without any help from Sky Buddy Jesus or Allah Kabang or any other silly apparition of weak minds.
Does not prove it, for you cannot disprove a negative, but it strongly implies it in every facet of what has been uncovered and tested.
It didn't disprove leprechauns or Zeus, so they must therefore bo true as well, right?
You are many names but one silly sod.
Cant prove a negative?
No wonder atheism is weak.
"Atheism is a lie."
Believing in the world as it is, with no magical mystery forces at plat, is "lying".
Believing that a superpowerful invisible guy made everything and does everything (except when it is bad, in which case he couldn't possibly have done it) made the universe in 6 days and had cool stuff like talking snakes and donkeys, and is your magic buddy if you believe but will forever torture the most giving and good person if they don't believe . . . that's "truth.
R i i i i i i ght.
Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in any gods.
If you had any proof, then you could say there is a god, but you don't...so you can't.
Can a painting be painted by itself? Nope it must have a painter.
Can a building be built by itself? Nope it must have a designer and the builder(s).
@ clownfop – "Cant prove a negative?"
So do it then, strong man! Disprove the existence of leprechauns. That will be easy, for it's obviously untrue.
So go ahead, disprove it. And I will use every argument religion uses to contradict you so that you get a taste of your iwn idiocy.
And then I will say how religion is weak, just like you did.
wow i think atheists have a secret fetish for fairy-tales...what did mommy and daddy ruin Santa Clause for you?
We aren't talking about paintings and building, though God did not create those either. We are talking about dirt and trees and red giants.
And if those things had to be created, then who created your creator, and who created that creator's creator? Or does your logic get to totally change when it applies to you?
"evolution does not prove what atheists believe is correct."
Gotta love when christards argue about something they know nothing about.
YES It does...it is a scientifically peer reviewed fact. Just because you have no comprehension of it, does not make it wrong!
Your belief in the creation story would mean that you agree with incest.
@ clown – you too choose to be ignorant about the scientific method. In science we don't prove things, we explain things. Proofs are for maths and ethanol. 90% of the world's Christians have no issue with a faith in your god and an understanding that evolution is a fact. Additionally, in the US you can go to the Clergy letter Project and see 12,000+ professional theologians, just from the US, who state there is no conflict. It is only amongst those of you who purposefully choose to be ignorant that we see this problem.
@clown question bro,
Paintings have painters, buildings have architects. Here's one for you.
Does every plant have a gardener?
Troll. You fail. You could not debate a thing.
I think you are missing SpongeBob, widdle guy!
We are not buildings or paintings. Why not point at a pebble and say it was designed to be exactly the way it is?
You are pointing at nothing but your lack of education. Complexity is merely simplicity piled up high and wide.
You are chemical elements with nothing but chemical processes determining everything you do.
Intelligent Design has been debunked over and over. Your insistence clinging to this debunked nonsense shows how bad you are at thinking for yourself and your level of ignorance.
Your god does not exist. Your religion is a lie. Jesus is dead. You were told things that are not true. Don't believe the lies.
The Theory of Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with atheism or the existence of a god or gods.
If the Theory of Evolution were proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to be incorrect that would have no bearing what-so-ever on the existence of any gods.
Nice fallacy, please play again later.
Painters and builders have mothers and fathers.
Atheism is a system of belief according to the dictionary. Here is the definition if atheism right from the dictionary: "The theory or belief that God does not exist." Agnosticism is not a belief system according to the dictionary AGNOSTICISM is the lack of belief NOT atheism and as a result atheism is a belief system (here is the definition of agnosticism):
"a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God."
ENGLISH GRAMMAR 101
The prefix "A" means "lack of"
Theism means belief in gods.
A+Theism = Lack of belief in gods.
Atheism is a negative statement that says only what one does NOT believe.
For those that keep saying atheism is a religion – if a doctor says that your illness is asymptomatic, do you ask him what the sympsoms are? In your mind, if someone is apolitical, are they democrat or republican?
Regarding the claims that you cannot be a Christian and hold an understanding that evolution is a fact –
This goes to show just how out of sync these fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) are. There are 2 billion Christians on earth. Of this number, 1.8 billion of them (90%), belong to sects whose official position is that there is no problem with a faith in the Christian version of a god, and an understanding that evolution is a fact. It is ONLY amongst the fundiots of the world that wwe see this disconnect. And sadly, the majority of these fundiots live in the US.
I'm sure that many fundamentalists would consider you to be an idiot for not believing such as they do. Name calling does not bolster your argument, it actually detracts and weakens it. Please refrain from this in the future if you want to come across as intelligent
So if someone is an idiot, we aren't supposed to call them an idiot?
Right. Got it. Thanks.
Sorry, but this isn't the first rodeo for any of us. If folks don't want to be called on their ignorance, perhaps they shouldn't post idiotic nonsense?
the hateful atheists boasts with childish disputes over nothing
clown question bro: We're not the ones who have an imaginary friend...so who is being childish here?
Getreal – are you seriously trying to play PC police on a CNN forum? Damn. That's cute.
clown question – you're in here to do nothing but bait folks with ridiculous BS. Please go find something else to do.
If your resort to calling out some one's post for "name calling" or grammar errors you most likely have no rebuttle to the actual argument.
For example: I misspelled "you" in the above post, therefore my argument is wrong.
I didn't have a rebuttle to his original post. Simply getting tired of his using the same insult, a word he made up and has to keep defining. name calling gets no one anywhere, a schoolyard bully tactic that most people outgrow (and no I am not calling him a schoolyard bully, just saying the tactic is that employed by schoolyard bullies) It is the difference between an argument and a fight.
*fyi, it's "rebuttal"
Again, if someone is an idiot, why is it wrong to call them an idiot?
You didn't call them idiots, Primewonk, you called them fundiots, an unexistant word that someone over the age of 2 shouldn't be using. As Getreal said, if you throw petty insults at one another NO ONE is EVER going to listen to your argument because you've insulted them for no apparent reason. Take it from the opposing side of the argument, insults never work and are pointless.
Christian, I'm sorry if your big boy panties are in a was. If someone is being a fundiot – fundamentalist îdiot – I will call them that.
Fundamentalists are the ones who claim that only a literal interpretation of Genesis is valid. Îdiots are those who purposefully choose to ignore and reject science. If you have trouble making the connection, I am sorry.
Perhaps I am sick and tired of being dammed to hell numerous times each day by these îdiots. Perhaps I am sick and tired of seeing these religious îdiots try and legislate discrimination against gay folks because they think their version of a god wants them to think gays are icky. Perhaps I am sick and tired of seeing these cretins try and get their version of religious mythology taught to our kids as valid science. Perhaps I am sick and tired of watching these talibangelical tea baggers try and turn my country into a theocracy.
wonk is a control freak.Pay no attention to the troll.
clown question, the only idiot here is you. You're beyond stupid. Just shut up and pretend you never existed. The world will be better off if you do.
Here's a fun one. Why do Christians still call him Jesus? According to many branches of Christianity, Jesus IS "God". Jesus was just his physical embodiment while he was on Earth. Now that he's died adn returned to heaven, wouldn't he just go back to being "God"? Does "God" keep a seperate part of himself walking around heaven and call it Jesus? Does "God" talk to himself?
God sacrificed himself to himself in order to plug a loophole that he himself created. Then three days later went to live in paradise forever.
Not much of a sacrifice huh?
Can you believe people think that sh•t is real!!!?? How fvcking stupid! LOL.
Technically suicide by Romans if you think about it.
The trinity is difficult. I have been a Christian for many years and still don’t think I could explain it very well. Here is what comes to mind, so if I mess this up hopefully a more learned bible scholar will straighten me out. God is three persons who are one. God the father, God the son (Jesus), and God the holy spirit. They are eternal. In other words, they were all three on hand for the creation, Jesus I think in a different form. The son of God became human when the spirit of God overshadowed the virgin Mary. He remains all human and all God today making intercession for us with the father.
Bible "scholar". LOL, good one. I read fiction too.
On the one hand, at least you can express a reason, but on the other, your reason doesn't make any sense. The Trinity is "comlpe" because it's absurd. If Jesus has always existed why wasn't he revealed to the early Jews, if "God" is all powerful what is the purpose of the holy spirit, if they are three things that are actually one thing, why not just call them all the same thing. it's just a name, do you think "God" cares about names that people made sup?
You realize how absolutely asinine your explanation is? You have no clue and are talking out your a.ss. In fact you say "I think" and say "It's difficult" and "I can't explain". The holy trinity is beyond retarded, its plain stupid. How can any full grown adult subscribe to this bull!!??
I think God is so holy that he cannot communicate with us without going through the holy spirit. Like if he appeared before you and said hey BRC you would turn to ash. People do refer to either one as God, but they do have differences. The most noticeable difference is Jesus. He is a man and God. While the bible teaches that God the father is a spirit.
There is no such thing as magic, Robert. Time to open your eyes!
So how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Now you're coming up with answers, but you have to be carefuly, what you're talking about is no longer the Christian "God". The Christian "God" is omnipotent, that means he can do whatever he wants, his power is not an interference to his will, it is the embodiment of it (he can squash a planet or tickle a mouse, either would have to be within his capability if he were omnipotent). You're describing a being of immense power, that is incompatible with humans. Fair enough, it's entirely possible that something like that exists in this universe... but it's not what's in the Bible.
Which illustrates the real issue. I don't have an issue with people who think there are gods. I don't agree, but it's all just guessing. But the Bible simply doesn't make sense. If it did, there wouldn't be such a thing as apologetics.
I really do believe it has to do with how he communicates with us, the why part is beyond me. It is actually in the bible. A couple of examples come to mind. First, when God spoke to Moses in the burning bush he said I heard the cries of my people in Egypt. Well, couldn’t he also see and be there and know, probably, but he said heard. Also, when he sent the angels to Lot in Sodom, they told Lot basically, God sent us down to see what was going on.
"God spoke to Moses in the burning bush..."
"... he sent the angels to Lot in Sodom..."
Who spoke to Mohammad then? And Joseph Smith?
To me the burnnig bush is just a bit of story telling, but fine according to the bible that was "God" acting directly, not the holy spirit. AS for the angels, again, not the Holy Spirit, an all powerful omnipresent being had better things to do with his time then deal with two wayward cities, so he sent agents in his place. That's a different aspect all together.
Why does Christianity invent the holy spirit when 2/3 of the bible says nothing about it. Did "God" not properly explain himself at first?
"when the spirit of God overshadowed the virgin Mary"
Uh no. Mary wasn't "overshadowed".
She was r a p e d.
Unless she willingly had relations with god, the big magic sky wizard must have r a p e d her.
So jesus was the b a s t a r d child of an omnipotent r a p i s t and his unwilling victim.
Actually, the holy spirit is mentioned numerous times cover to cover in the bible sometimes as my spirit, the spirit, the spirit of God, and the holy spirit. The most common being the spirit. You could definitely make a case that when it is termed the spirit of God then it is the person of God the father and when it is termed otherwise it is the person of the holy spirit. Christians refer to the holy spirit, holy ghost, or the comforter. The holy spirit indwells the believer at the time they are saved or converted. Jesus told his disciples that he would pray to the father to send them the holy spirit after he left them and ascended back to the father.
Fair enough, the word spirit is repeatedly used, so couldn't it just be taken that saying spirit is how humans try to describe the actions of an inconceivably powerful being, and go back to just saying "God" did it. Why does it need to be a trinity?
People can and do just say God. The Jews, Christians, and Muslims have in common God the father. When you move over into Christianity is where you get into the trinity. The others deny the deity of Jesus. I am not sure, but I think the others don’t separate the holy spirit from God, either. They just say God like you suggest.
I went to the 'Scotsman' website to see what it had to say about using the, Lock Ness Monster' being used in home school text books to disprove the evolution theory. I, even as a Christian say; what a bunch of idiots! Until the monster can be proven to exist: it is just a myth! A four to six thousand year old animal living that long—I doubt it very much.
And until jesus is proven to have existed then he is just a myth. There is just as much evidience for either.
There is actually more evidence for the Loch Ness monster. I've seen some grainy video of it, but no video of jeebus.
Not true! There is video evidence of Jesus' eye at prolapsed.net. It is brown and turns itself inside out. A true miracle of God!
"video evidence of Jesus' eye"
hahaha...only a christard without the ability to think for themselves would fail to comprehend photoshopping. a photo is not proof...how about some dna records?
no atheist worth his/her weight in salt or anyone that has studied biology/cryptozoology thinks a
plesiosaur is living in a loch in scotland. it's a creature that unless it went through some amazing adaptive changes would have; as it should be; went extinct due to an almost none exsistant gene pool. either way no self respecting person would use "nessie" as a defence.
Loch Ness is a dead lake with such low levels of oxygen that no fish and no water plants live there. No food = dead dinosaur.
OK: who cares about some Catholic Priest is in jail for wrong doing, or a bunch of nuns protesting the Vatican are road tripping? I don't, but evidently somebody at CNN does. So let's make up our own topics, I love it.
I awoke this morning with this question on my mind: Why should there be laws against polygamy? It seems to me that this is a religious question, not a social or moral issue and regulating it is violating the first amendment. Now I'm not a polygamist, nor do I intend to become one, nor do I desire to be one—one wife is trouble enough for me, I don't want to multiply it.
This one very much is a social issue. The issue of dividing property and custody from a polygamist divorece is mind bogglingly complex, and would almost undoubtedly lead to very costly legal battles. Until we create well rounded and easily enforceble pre-nuptial contracts that work for multi-spouse marriages, they're just not worth the headache.
Simple, the man gets everything. Problem solved.
What about a one wife multi-husband marriage?
Let's say a man has 3 wives. And he dies. Are the 3 women still married to each other? If a man has 3 wives, what happens if he divorces one of them, but the other wives don't divorce her? Is she still married?
Let's say you have 4 wives. You are gorked and on life support. 2 of your wives say pull the plug and let the bàstàrd die. 2 wives say no, let him suffer some more. Who wins?
Let's say you have 3 wives and you die leaving an estate worth 1 million dollars. Does each wife get an equal share? What if wife #3 was a newby? Sohould she get a reduced share? What if wives 1 and 2 never liked wife 3, could they just kick her out?
Excellent questions, Primewonk! Clearly there needs to be some sort of pre-nup for everyone. Most divorces are messed up.
"The Scotsman: Loch Ness monster cited by US schools as evidence that evolution is myth"
-this has to be a joke. It's going to be taught in class that not only is it real, but disproves evolution? I always knew you had to really reach or be really ignorant to not believe in evolution, but this.... I don't even have words for it.
It is NOT a joke. It is already being taugh in many homeshcool textbooks as "fact".
Is this some kind of joke? I would think that both evolutionist and creationists would consider the “Lock Ness Monster” a myth. What is the “Scotsman” any way?
It's from a school in Louisianna. The principal has decided that they will teach that since the loch ness monster is a myth, that evolution is a myth.
Yes, they are fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots).
Ah evolution. I am not a scientist but I think science is very interesting and important. I am not totally sold on evolution but I think it is within the realm of possibility. I can grasp adaptation and mutation, but going from that to different critters altogether is difficult for me and I think the evidence is not complete and it hasn’t been duplicated by experiments. A cow is a cow whether you call it a bison, water buffalo, or long horn, and so on. I read a post on here the other day where the poster used the wolf as an example. I didn’t reply, but thought ok, I can understand how a wolf can become a great dane or poodle through lots of time and selective breeding but, it is still a canine. Bigger, smaller, long hair, short hair, big ears, little ears, long tail, short tail, and on and on but still a canine. When they breed one into a horse or some other critter it will be more convincing.
Prove the Loch Ness monster does NOT exist!
Creationist are fvcking stupid. The Loch Ness story has to be from the south, then again they probably couldn't point out Scotland on a map....
" I am not a scientist"
Is the reason why you state.
"I think the evidence is not complete and it hasn’t been duplicated by experiments"
The evidence is overwhelming. Molecular Biology is proving exactly how one species evolves into another. The more we learn about genetics, and the more species we map, the more obvious evolution becomes. At this point denying it is just plain silly. It is the modern equivalent of denying that the earth is round and the that it circles the sun.
Mutation and adaptation have been duplicated and replicated countless times in laboratories all over the world. Its time for us all to let go of these iron age myths about who we are and where we came from.
@ Robert Brown – you are woefully ignorant about evolution. For example, a domestic cow and a water buffalo are completely different species. A poodle and a great Dane are the same species.
You also state you will be a believer when they can turn a dog into a horse. This shows you have no understanding about evolution. A species will never evolve into a species that already exists. Never.
Instead, consider species "A". One day a flood separates a large population of this species into 2 groups. These 2 groups are now on opposite sides of a large river and they cannot crossover. One side of the river is a large Savannah. The other side is dense trees and mountains. Each of these groups are now experiencing different ecological pressures. Different climates. Different food supplies. Different predator-prey relationships. A hundred thousand years pass. Climate change causes a land bridge to form over the river. The 2 groups of species "A" can now freely intermingle. The odds are, not only will they not breed with each other, they wouldn't be able to breed. They wouldn't even recognize each other. They would have become different species.
Seriously – this is stuff you should have learned in Junior High.
“Molecular Biology is proving exactly how one species evolves into another.”
How about this, replace “is proving” with “makes scientist think” and we can agree.
“Mutation and adaptation have been duplicated and replicated countless times in laboratories all over the world.”
I said I could grasp mutation and adaptation. The rest of your post is opinion and speculation.
Ok, Primewonk. I admitted my limitations on the subject. Replace "horse" with "another nonexistant species" in my post.
There are at least 17 different disciplines in science that have INDEPENDANTLY and CONCLUSIVELY proven that evolution is true.
Just because you don’t understand science is no reason to be afraid of it.
Mr. Brown, I'm assuming that since you would consider evolution possible, that if you one day thought there was enough evidence to prove it for you, it would still not shake your faith. Many Christians do belive in evolution. Given that, I think Christians do a disservice to themselves by including evolution in their theological debates. The fact that the statement, "evolution is true, therefore there is no God" is not logically valid, means it is pointless to bring up in a debate about theology.
You want to see one species become an entirely different species. It happens constantly and continuously. You are looking for it in the wrong area. Look at micro-organisms, where genetic mutation is amplified because it is a less complex life form. One bacteria mutates into an entirely new species all the time. The CDC is constantly struggling to keep up!
Robert – it still shows you are ignorant about evolution. Do you seriously think the 400,000 professional scientists working in the relevant fields of evolution are all lying? Do you think they are making it up? Are they all too stûpid to see your point of view?
We have observed speciation. We have observed it in animals, plants, bacteria, etc.
Are you familiar with Nylonase? This is a species of flavobacterium. In was discovered in a wastewater pond at a nylon production plant in Jàpan. The bacteria survive by eating nylon. This species does not exist elsewhere. This is a new species of flavobacteria. Speciation. Exactly what you fundiots claim can't happen.
Absolutely right! Also look up "ring speciation". There are many different confirmed examples of this around the world.
Honey Badger Dont Care,
I am not afraid of science. I said, I couldn’t grasp the evolution into new species.
I agree, and was just responding to the original poster. How God did it is interesting but how doesn’t change my faith. You would have to talk to someone who is into the Christian scientific apologetics to discuss the disservice part. I heard a scientist speak once who said that his work brought him to faith. Combining evolution theory with the creation was very important to him.
Ok, I will give you that. Do you know how they differentiate between species? It is still bacteria, right.
Don’t get into that B S argument about “kinds” or dogs becoming cats. Speciation is a scientific term. Please look it up.
I don’t think the professional scientists are lying or making things up. I doubt they would consider my point of view. It still depends on how you differentiate the species. The long tail dog is still a canine when you breed him to have a short tail. The bacteria is still a bacteria whether he eats Styrofoam, nylon, or human flesh.
Really....you think that all species of bacteria are the same because they are all called bacteria. Are all Mammals the same because they are all mammals, all birds are the same because they are birds. Take a basic biology class to understand the difference between species, kingdom, phylum, class,family etc.
Robert Brown – you seriously think all bacteria are the same species? Bacteria are a Domain, or Kingdom – along with plants, animals, fungi, etc. There are 6 top level domains.
Conservative estimates are that there are 7-10 million distinct species of bacteria. Some scientists using newer models estimate that number could be well over 100 million different species.
If you are going to argue against a field of science, it would behoove you to at least understand what it is you argue against.
"How about this, replace “is proving” with “makes scientist think” and we can agree"
No, DNA sequencing is actually proving how mutation and adaptation change one species to another. By identifying traits with the corresponding DNA sequences we can now show how adaptation becomes genetic over time.
"I said I could grasp mutation and adaptation. The rest of your post is opinion and speculation"
No it is not. My wife is a Molecular Biologist. She, and scientists all over the world, are now causing and measuring mutation, and adaption at the molecular level. The are not only witnessing evolution, they are controlling and measuring it. They are altering the environmental factors that cause mutation in bacterial species. They are measuring changes in the DNA sequences of those bacteria. They are witnessing first hand the evolution of species in a controlled scientific environment. Just because you are ignorant of what leading edge scientists are doing, does not mean that they are not doing it.
Ok, Getreal, Primewonk, & derp that is the difference. You folks have a greater understanding of the subject. Basic biology class was a long time ago for me. Thanks for sharing what is happening now in microbiology.
Wow, I don't usually see anyone admitting their ignorance on here. Well done, Robert! You aren't half-bad for a Christian.