June 28th, 2012
04:34 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, June 28

By Laura Koran, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: 5 Reasons ‘Teavangelicals’ matter
It’s a match made in political heaven – evangelical Christians and the Tea Party. Starting in 2010, the two huge conservative flanks started coming together, forming what Christian Broadcasting Network Chief Political correspondent David Brody calls the "Teavangelical" movement. Here are 5 reasons why should care about "Teavangelicals."

CNN: A health care 'Judas' recounts his conversion
When Wendell Potter first saw them, he froze. “It felt like touching an electrical fence,” he says. “I remember tearing up and thinking, how could this be real.” Thousands of them had lined up under a cloudy sky in an open field. Many had camped out the night before. When their turns came, doctors treated them in animal stalls and on gurneys placed on rain-soaked sidewalks.

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The Jewish Telegraphic Agency: German court ruling on circumcision riles Jewish community
Germany’s top Jewish leader called on the federal Parliament “to ensure religious freedom” following a Cologne court ruling that said circumcising young boys on religious grounds amounts to grievous bodily harm. Though Monday's decision by the District Court of Cologne does not outlaw circumcision, it is still “outrageous and insensitive,” Dieter Graumann, head of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said in a statement issued Tuesday.

The Huffington Post: Al Green Seeks Peter King's Islamic Radicalization Hearings To Include Radical Christianity
Congressman Al Green (D-TX9) has said that Rep. Peter King (R-NY3)'s hearings on the radicalization of Islam in America were justified only if such hearings were to take place on the radicalization within every religion.

The Jewish Daily Forward: More Jews Opt for Cremation
Jews are increasingly choosing to be cremated, funeral professionals say, despite Jewish law and thousands of years of tradition. The numbers are still small, relative to the non-Jewish community. But they bring with them considerable angst. According to Rabbi Jeremy Kalmanofsky, a prominent Conservative rabbi in New York City, family members increasingly struggle with the wrenching question of whether to go against the wishes of dead Jews who have asked to be cremated.

The Houston Chronicle: Latino, former altar boy, now Houston imam
Growing up on the streets of New York and Houston, Isa Parada was always part of a vibrant faith community. An altar boy at his family’s Roman Catholic parish, his family regularly prayed and read Scripture together. Today it is no different for Parada, spare for one thing, he is not a Roman Catholic, instead he is a Muslim imam. A convert since 1996, Parada is fluent in Arabic and an expert in Muslim theology, having studied in Saudi Arabia. With family roots in El Salvador, Parada is part of a growing number of Hispanic converts to Islam in Houston and the United States.

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CNN: Road tripping nuns hit middle America
A few months ago Sister Simone Campbell was in a brainstorming meeting trying to come up with ways to get the public's attention. "We thought maybe we could buy an online ad,” said Campbell, the executive director of NETWORK, a liberal Catholic social justice lobby based in Washington. Everything changed after the Vatican publicly scolded The Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an umbrella group for U.S. nuns, for allowing "radical feminist themes” to go unchecked a conferences and in their literature.

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  1. Doc Vestibule

    For Clown Question
    We keep going around and around with this "you can't prove a negative" argument.
    The great difficulty with the God hypothesis is that there are no falfifiable statements in your assertion.
    There is no logical answer to an emotional argument – and faith is a powerful emotion indeed.
    Give some parameters about your God that can be tested – statements that are falsifiable are the very basis of rationality and the scientific method.

    I am, of course, expecting nothing short of a flat denial of this basic request, possibly with some ad hominems thrown in.

    June 29, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  2. hippypoet

    food for thought.

    there were many so called messiahs at that time in history – in fact allthroughout history there have been messiah after messiah yet still the same mess and no grand exit with fire and brimstione! Little known fact (if you believe of course) the J man already rose and left...you that believe and are still here believing are wasting your time. You can find this to be true in your bibles. I believe it was on the third day after his death, a sunday if i'm not mistaken. According to the apocryphal gospel of nicodemus, he (jesus) went to the place where people went when they died and freed all who was worthy then brought them to the place of his "father" thereby creating by default a place where the worthy go, "heaven" , and where the not so worthy go, the other place , "hell"...the original underword which if you study the MYTHS of the time you come to an uncanny conclusion. All belief systems of this time period have a place where people go but not a good or bad place, just a place...some have a place where REALLY bad go but most just have the underworld type set-up as the afterlife myth. The early folks built their MYTH onto this – they rather piggy-backed it if you will. It is a form of appealing to the m@sses while telling them a different story and creating a new foundation for something else – in this case heaven and hell. It was only after "coming back" did people really start to believe in him – i mean other then the 12...and did you also know that it wasn't for a VERY long time after his death that people started believing....its called the time it takes for the "gullibility factor" to set in. For those who value truth over myths check out zoroastrianism for the first true good vs bad combo as equals in the struggle for control over the world. Everything else before was both good and bad all in one and then many of them – a pantheon of powers to go along with a pantheon of mythical creations of creation. But again, you who believe in the daddy-o of jesus as the only god call this belief pagan and mythical ...aka not real...here is a quote i'm sure has been on these blogs many times and will be again...

    “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
    stephen roberts

    food for thought.

    quote from me – Until you have tangible evidence for the existence of god, the notion of god remains in the realm of ideas.
    the hippypoet

    June 29, 2012 at 12:32 am |
  3. clown question bro

    Its so typical for an atheist to ignore what they lead themselves to believe.Ever notice how quickly they drop the argument when the table is turned and people ask evidence of "No God" claim?

    Everything applies to the "theist" but not themselves.Atheism is for the weak.

    June 28, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      If one asserts there is no god, then yes the burden of proof is on them, however if one does not believe the assertion that god does exist, then the burden of proof is on the theist.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Care to translate that into English, you moronic doob?

      June 28, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • clown question bro

      You claim "No God" without proof the burden lies on you now because you have no proof to back it up.

      And most atheists say "No God" without backing up that claim.

      June 28, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You moron, no one needs to back it up. The onus is on you to prove there's a God, you idiot. Get a friggin' clue, doofus.

      June 28, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • clown question bro

      Get a clue? You hide beind "its a negative I cant" yet YOU claimed it without backing it up.

      coward much?

      June 29, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • hippypoet

      so you claim that to believe without reason based on solid evidence is strength?
      i base this @ssertion on your original post mind you! the original post to this string of replies that is.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  4. Getreal

    "I swear there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell
    but I'll never know from liven', only my dyin' will tell"
    Laura Nyro

    June 28, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Dying isn't going to tell you sh!t. You'll just stop thinking anything.

      June 28, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    June 28, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • clown question bro

      Do us all a favor and just shut up...

      June 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      We've been trying to get Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't An Angry Failing Pervert (I might be missing one of their pseudonyms) to STFU for a long, long time.
      Even the atheists have prayed for it!

      June 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      June 28, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
  6. Doc Vestibule

    The prefix "A" means "lack of"
    Theism means belief in gods.
    A+Theism = Lack of belief in gods.
    Atheism is a negative statement that says only what one does NOT believe.

    For those that keep saying atheism is a religion – if a doctor says that your illness is asymptomatic, do you ask him what the symptoms are? In your mind, if someone is apolitical, are they democrat or republican?

    June 28, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Doc, statistics show that 80% of atheists practice and worship the man made teachings of Judaism.

      Who's zooming whom?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Jack

      You got a source for those stats?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • clown question bro

      Heavensent do us all a favor and shut up...

      June 28, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      HeavenScent, due to you having zero credibility, I must ask you to provide references to authoritative sources for your alledged data.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Yeah. I see a lot of atheists with yarmulkes.

      June 28, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      100% of Christians practice and worship the man made teachings of Judaism.

      June 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • show of hands

      all those Americans that pay any notice of Canadian bull sh it. None counted

      June 28, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
  7. clown question bro

    why do atheists spend so much time here when they dont want to believe? They deny God fully but are still around to want "evidence"?

    Doesn't make sense at all.

    June 28, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Getreal

      What doesn't make sense is you assuming incorrect things ( regarding your statement, not your belief). I am an atheist but the statements you made re: me are incorrect.

      It shows your prejudice towards atheists, treating an entire group of people the same because you think it is truth

      Apply the following to your arguments and your beliefs and you will get much farther: Separate your BELIEF from FACT.

      While I BELIEVE there are no gods, I cannot truthfully say there aren't.
      You BELIEVE god exists, but you cannot truthfully say he does.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • clown question bro

      the same applies to many many atheists here.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Jack

      The same reason a fundamentalist Christian posts on an article about evolution.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • clown question bro

      nothing here about evolution.

      Fail.What you dont like people believing your religion that you put soo much faith in?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Getreal

      I see a lot on both sides of the DEBATE, that do not know how to have an argument all of the time.
      It does infuriate me when people speak as if they know, when they do not.
      I only ask for proof when someone says that it is TRUTH that god exists,but I cannot dispute when they say the BELIEVE god exists. One is true, the other MAY be true

      June 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • clown question bro

      Correction:You get so angry when someone denies evolution but thats only one part of science so it only proves how close you hold evolution to heart proving more...its an actual religion to you.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Jack

      What's wrong clown? Do you need "proof" that Christians post on articles about evolution, even though they don't belive it. So since the proof is not here, it doesn't exist. Where have I heard that before?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • clown question bro

      i demand evidence when an atheist claims there is no God as truth without any type of evidence.

      Actually interesting enough..when an atheist says "no God" they dont back it up.Ever notice that?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists god is satan.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @clown question bro
      The reason evolution is debated to hotly by a lot of atheists is because the religionist quest to have creationism accepted as a scientific theory (and thus taught in science classrooms) is one of the most egregious examples of religious intrusion into secular life.
      Fundamentalist Christians enjoy the fruits of scientific advancement in every aspect of their daily lives, yet don't see the inherent hypocrisy of denying the results of scientific inquiry into what they consider their magisterium.
      The leading rabble rousers in the Creationist world – The Center for Science and Culture (sponsored by the Discovery Inst.itute) openly admit that their goal isn't to teach what they think is fact. An internal doc.ument leaked in 1999 described the Discovery group's objective in pushing for creationism to be taught in schools as "to defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies". They want to use Intelligent Design as a "wedge" to separate science from its allegiance to "atheistic naturalism".
      In other words, they fear that teaching FACTS to children will drive them away from religion.
      Many of us find this offensive and disingenuous – and you should too.

      To deny the veracity of the Theory of Evolution and its 5 laws is to deny the validity of the scientific method itself.
      To date, the scientific method is the best way humans have of investigating the world around us.
      Dogmatic, rote answers pulled from mythology are full of sound and fury, but signify nothing.
      The scientific method is predicated on repeatable, testable, provable, peer reviewed experiments. Given the inclination, ANYONE could reproduce the results and form their own conclusion.
      The religionist seldom if ever seeks to experiments themselves, but are quite happy to dismiss teh results and replace them with their own ideas – however unsound.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Jack

      SInce you didn't get the point of my post I'll put it in simple terms. Christians post on articles about science that conflicts with thier beliefs, just as atheists post here. Take that as you will.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • clown question bro

      You can only decide for your own child and nobody else.

      I was taught evolution in schools and i didnt care.Neither did any other student.Its funny..you ignore the voives an opinions of the students.

      Ask the students.See if they care if they are taught both evolution or any other religion.

      come on tough guy.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      – to correct believer bullsh!t
      – to argue against religion driven laws and influence
      – to keep an eye on the crazies that want to put the USA and Canada on the road to becoming a theocracy
      – to influence undecideds away from joining any religious cult (and all religios are cults)
      – for the humor of the nuttiness of things believers believe, say and do

      Any questions?

      June 28, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Should school boards teach only curriculum approved by the student body?
      Students wouldn't care if the existentialist foundations of SpongeBob was taught in a physics class – but that doesn't mean the subject is relevant. Creationism is not a scientific theory. It has no place in a biology classroom.

      June 28, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • J.R.

      I get the feeling that clown didn't care about anything he was taught in school.

      June 28, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • clown question bro

      You dont own science and a student has a choice to believe them..if a student is taught that there is God in science class they are taught something that has ZERO proof for.

      If you hold evolution to your heart with so much passion for it..its a religion and shouldnt be taught.

      because after all without evolution atheism would be dead.

      June 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "You dont own science and a student has a choice to believe them..if a student is taught that there is God in science class they are taught something that has ZERO proof for."
      DING DING DING! You get a gold star. Science is pedicated on PROOF. No proof = not science. Not science means it doesn't belong in a science classroom. Would you teach geometry in english class?

      "If you hold evolution to your heart with so much passion for it..its a religion and shouldnt be taught."
      Again – not evolution, but the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Science class is all about -- wait for it -- what has been discovered through the application of teh scientific method! Evolution is one of those things.
      Would you rather a science teacher be dispassionate about science? Would you prefer your Shaman to be disinterested in the religion they preach?

      "because after all without evolution atheism would be dead."
      To reiterate for the umpteenth time:
      A+Theism = Lack of belief in gods.
      Atheism is a negative statement that says only what one does NOT believe.
      Whether a specific scientific theory is proven or disproven has no bearing on the rejection of the supernatural.

      Your statement is akin to me saying that "without geocentrism, religion would be dead".

      June 28, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @clown question

      You should stop listening to your preachers on what atheists are and what we believe. Your assertions are completely wrong, not to mention completely idiotic most times.

      June 29, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  8. Double Jeopardy - Another Question can also be "Question of the Day" for those with multiple personalities

    For people of religion, of all the choices other people can make, why does "atheist" make you the maddest? All other choices and religions don't believe in your god either, and similarly think you are deluded. Why are those alternatives more acceptable to you? Or are they?

    June 28, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • clown question bro

      Out of all the religions on the planet,why does Christianity make atheists so ticked off and obsessed with?

      Islam has over an "estimated" number of 1 billion.Why dont atheists demand evidence of Allah? Why only God? Why only Jesus? The flood? Adam and Eve?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Get Real


      You are on an American web site. Christianity is the biggie here. If Islam starts to flex its muscles and try to control government and society here, you will hear about it big time (ahem, I'll bet you will be one of the first ones on the case!).

      June 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • clown question bro

      so you only care than when that religion tries to govern you? So its not about "evidence" at all?

      or should i say when power freaks hide behind a religion and you believe their lies?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists follow the scribes and pharisees who crucified Jesus with their evil beliefs in their man made religion of Judaism. Again, it's Jesus' truth against satan's lies. Same truth through the history of mankind.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  9. Cal

    Question of the day:

    Why do thiests spend so much time arguing that athiesm is a religion?

    June 28, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Bo

      Cal, that is a good question, but conversely: Why do atheists spend so much time arguing there is no God?

      Religion is more than just a set of “rules” or a system of worship, among other things, it is also includes the belief that anything comes in between worshiping the true God and an individual is an idol. As most Christians see it: atheists place “themselves”; that is: their satisfied belief that they are are right, and there is no god, making their own selves an idol unto themselves, therefore placing themselves in between self and God. I know this may sound confusing, but since atheists do not believe or worship God it makes it very difficult to understand.
      But I will agree, arguing religion for both the believer and the atheist is a waste of time. An argument never wins any converts.

      June 28, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Because of the "ism" at the end, making it appear as if it were an ideology, and the fact that they do not understand the definition of the word...and many seek to use a "false equivalency" in a bid to bolster their failed arguments, too.

      Plus, it can get people angry when to see words used incorrectly and falsely, which some people misinterpret as being caused by ideological indoctrination on the same scale as a religion and assume that atheism must therefore be a religion.

      But atheism is the lack of a belief. Everyone is born with it. At it's most basic, there is nothing to show or create a belief within the person.
      As we gain knowledge and ability throughout our lives, there is always the likelihood of making false assumptions about anything we might experience, and we can communicate mistaken and erratic thinking to others, so having a lack of belief due to no evidence can later become displaced by false assumptions, bad logic, faulty reasoning, ignorance, blind emotion, and a lack of processing resources and self-correcting cognitive functions.

      But that doesn't stop people from thinking atheism is a religion. Many atheists are secular humanists. Now that is an actual ideology that can evoke strong emotional reactions, and some may argue that it is just a religion without any supernatural stuff in it and that could be argued.
      But no one goes around saying they are "secular humanists" because that's too much of a mouthful and hardly anyone knows what those words mean anyway.
      To say one is an atheist is to say one does not believe in any gods. It says nothing about any characteristic or ideology.
      But it is easier than watching people slink away ashamed of their ignorance because they don't know what a "secular humanist" is and what they "stand for".

      June 28, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Well played AST.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:02 am |
    • Cal

      It seems strange for some one to think that they can strengthen thier own argument by showing similarties with the one you disagre with.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Bo, religious people worship their beliefs that are in their heads.
      That is more self-worship than someone who simply insists on evidence before making what should be a well-informed decision on what is real and what is not real.
      We do not make idols of ourselves. We do not worship ourselves. Religious people do that. Schizophrenic people do that.
      There is no god to argue against, by the way.
      There is only the baseless assertions of religious people. That is what we argue against. You have no basis for believing in your imaginary god, but you have been programmed to believe in a great many interconnected lies.
      Your turn, Bo. You can claim a baseless falsehood to be true, but without any proof to even suggest that there is a magical supernatural father-figure interacting with human beings, your claims are worthless and are most likely to be the ravings of a cult member who has been brainwashed into believing.
      Were you to start from scratch, you would never have any reason to believe. You believe in Jesus because someone made up a story with a guy named Jesus as the hero and presented it to others. You believed your parents because their sincerity was based upon their own brainwashed programming. Now your sincerity is just as empty and baseless as theirs had become, and it does nothing to prove anything you say.
      People dying for something does not make that something real and does not prove your god exists at all.
      Your brain is not under your control, Bo. You can get deprogrammed but your programming will not allow it.
      What do you say about that?

      June 28, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Robert Brown

      God has been kind enough to trust us with this work. That’s why we never give up. We don’t do shameful things that must be kept secret. And we don’t try to fool anyone or twist God’s message around. God is our witness that we speak only the truth, so others will be sure that we can be trusted. If there is anything hidden about our message, it is hidden only to someone who is lost. The god who rules this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers. They cannot see the light, which is the good news about our glorious Christ, who shows what God is like. We are not preaching about ourselves. Our message is that Jesus Christ is Lord. He also sent us to be your servants. The Scriptures say, “God commanded light to shine in the dark.” Now God is shining in our hearts to let you know that his glory is seen in Jesus Christ.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Cal, they are trying to show atheists to be hypocrites and think it is easier to try to use the cry of "hypocrite" instead of making an actual argument because they do not have any arguments that cannot be torn down. I have yet to see any proof of a god, and most of this nonsense is about their god, so at some point their arguments or lack of them will always have that one huge hole in them. It is their biggest failure and the reason why they will never show their god. They don't have one to show.
      Or maybe it's because they see the atheists winning every argument and are livid with jealousy and seek to usurp our arguments, yet they clearly have not thought things through, as you can see.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Cal

      In the end, the question of whther or not thier is a God is moot unless thier are actual consequences for not believing. This is where we get into religion. Each religion says thier God is the only way to salvation. So even if you do belive there is a God, which God to belive in is a much more important question.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Robert, where is your god? Nowhere.
      Where do you feel his "presence"? In your head.
      Where do you "talk" to him? In your head.
      Does he speak actual words with you? No.
      Can you carry on a conversation with him? No.
      Where do you see results from praying? In your head.
      Can you change anything using prayer outside of your head? No.
      Can you do magic? No.
      Can you send messages through your god? No.
      Can you change a person's "heart" through prayer with no other communication being used? No.
      Does your god respond to questions? No.
      Does your god communicate in any discernable way using anything outside of your imagination? No.
      Am I responsible for what is in your Bible? No.
      Am I responsible for what your Bible says Adam and Eve did? No.
      Am I guilty of wrongness by being born? No.
      Am I responsible for things outside my control? No.

      Definitive lack of incontrovertible proof of your god.
      Definite lack of any evidence or proof of your god.
      Definite lack of suggestion that your god might exist as you define him.
      No logical reason to even assume your god might exist.

      Nothing you can do or say will change the reality of the situation, i.e. lack of proof.
      Your god does not exist. Your claims are shown to be false by default.
      Currently you are allowed to be schizophrenic in public and to drive other people insane as well.
      Your words are not arguments. They are declarations of baseless assertions.
      You have been indoctrinated into a cult. What you say is false and delusional.
      Your imagination cannot be proven to be real. Your god is imaginary and your prayers are delusional.
      You are schizophrenic and should be in a mental ward, not walking the streets where you can harm children.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Cal, there is zero reason to even suggest the existence of any god you can imagine that interacts with humans.
      Zero interactions + zero supernatural events of any sort = zero gods to choose from.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Cal

      I'm with you on that AST. Just illustrating how silly it is for believers to care whether or not I believe in one of the many Gods there are to choose from. From thier point of view, choosing the wrong God has the same consequences of choosing no God. So asking if someone believes in God, without specifying which God, is for the most part a pointless question.

      June 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Bo

      do you know the definition of “belief” atheists do believe.

      1. A state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.
      2. Something believed; especially: a tenet or body of tenets held by a group.
      3. The conviction of truth of some statement or reality of some phenomenon especially on examination of evidence.
      (A tenet is: a belief or doctrine generally held to be true.)

      The above, or some of the above, fits the thinking of an atheist; or do you wish to change the definition to fit your needs?

      June 28, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists god is satan who is a liar.

      Ye are of your father the devil , and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

      John 8:44


      June 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Getreal


      now you're just being silly

      June 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      God is anywhere and everywhere he wants to be. I see evidence of him through his creation. I feel his presence all over. I talk to him often and you are correct he doesn’t reply in an audible voice. I have had conversations with him. I have seen results of prayer all around. He does answer my questions. The rest of your post is simply your opinion.

      By the way, the entirety of my post, you responded to, is 2 Corinthians 4: 1-6 from the Contemporary English Version. This was in Paul’s second letter to the Corinthians and it seemed to me the answer to what you and Cal were discussing.

      When you move from being unconvinced of God to an active denier you have been deceived by the old serpent, in my simple opinion.

      June 28, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Bo, I see the definition of the word "atheist" continues to elude your grasp.
      Also, if you want to look at atheists as believing after having considered the evidence and that definition is synonymous with "knowing", then that's fine. You still fail to address the fact that this "belief" is merely a lack of belief in your god after examining the evidence and therefore does not represent an ideology in and of itself.
      It is the merest of conclusions drawn after examining all evidence. There is nothing wrong with making an informed decision.
      Robert, I would have thought that I had spelled it out for you clearly, yet you persist in thinking I take my position vis a vis your imaginary god based on faulty information.
      I insist on only the most accurate, truthful, honest facts that are backed up with solid proof.
      Your insinuation that I arrived at my conclusions based on your "talking snake" is not only untrue, you are basing your opinion upon untrue information, your delusional bias, your schizophrenic religious texts, and your ignorance.
      You have absolutely zero anything to back up what you say.
      Your god will do nothing no matter how you imagine it should be.
      You can't even get your god to do anything or prove that he has done anything you point to.
      You are not drawing lines of evidence, you are simply repeating your fairytale delusions at me.
      You say your god does this or that? Then how is it that you cannot use any of this to amaze the world?

      Robert, you have a very large problem here. You not only have to prove your god exists, you also have to prove a direct correlation between your god and anything you say your god does.
      I already know that it is actually just your imagination and delusional world-view that makes you say these things, but I enjoy pointing out the holes in your words, showing you the lack of connection between what you say and the real world.

      June 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I think terms like talking snake, delusion, schizo, & world view, are extremely over used.
      “You have absolutely zero anything to back up what you say. Your god will do nothing no matter how you imagine it should be. You can't even get your god to do anything or prove that he has done anything you point to. You say your god does this or that? Then how is it that you cannot use any of this to amaze the world?”
      The problem being that everything you deny has been done but you have chosen to reject it all. It is all recorded in the Bible, written in countless books by believers who have passed on, and every believer alive today can give witness or testimony to their own spiritual experiences. This evidence is considered hearsay by some. Fortunately, there is a defined method to find out for yourself. However, you have one major problem, lack of faith.
      Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. If you ever come to the point where you are interested in finding the truth instead of repeating the lies of the father of them, I would encourage you to go, live and in person, and hear the word of God preached in the power of his holy spirit.

      June 28, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      Robert, your magic does not work. Your magic is not real.
      Hearing the propaganda will not fool me into believing your lies.
      If Satan were real, you would be the one believing his lies.
      Did you think Satan's lies were based in truth?
      Satan would not provide you with proof either, don't ya think?
      You really are a simpleton. Enjoy your delusions.
      All you can do is shut your mind to every truth that shows your religion to be false, and then you call me a liar and believer of lies.
      Lies have no proof that they are true. That is how we know lies are lies you incredibly idiotic nutbar!

      June 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      According to the bible/NT, Satan can work miracles and deceive even seasoned christians. Just think, some person who thought he was a christian his whole life and saw "miracles" or even preformed them gets up to god, and god is like, "No, bee-yatch!! You were DECEIVED!! bye-BYE!!"

      June 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
  10. well

    The new America..... post free trade agreements. Soon several families will occupy the same house pooling their minimum wage earnings in order to survive while corporate America (now considered "people" under U.S. law), rakes in record profits from their overseas factories.

    June 28, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Because those corporate execs follow satan ...

      Ye are of your father the devil , and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

      John 8:44


      June 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  11. Bo

    “Here are five reasons why should care about “Teavangelicals.” This question is not complete, nor does the author give all five reasons.

    June 28, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • AmphibiousSpaceTraveler

      It's just another book promotional advertisement article written to boost sales of the book. CNN does this all the time.

      June 28, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Bo

      Thanks Amphibious, I didn't think of that, I think you are right.

      June 28, 2012 at 8:34 am |
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