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Jesus depicted healing a sick child.
June 28th, 2012
08:45 AM ET

Would Jesus support health care reform?

Editor’s note: This piece ran earlier this year, but we’re spotlighting it now because of Thursday’s health care decision from the Supreme Court. The story generated more than 3,000 comments, including these two:

David Nelson
It is sad that Jesus has been demoted to being a politician. Jesus plainly said "My Kingdom is not of this world." Movements to use Him to promote their agendas, whether they be on the Left or Right, are extremely suspect in the eyes of this Christian.

kateslate
Jesus would SO have been a democrat. He taught us to care for the sick...not to profit off illness. I don't know how Republicans can live with themselves and call themselves Christian.

What’s your take?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - He was a healer, a provider of universal health care, a man of compassion who treated those with preexisting medical conditions.

We don’t know what Jesus thought about the individual mandate or buying broccoli. But we do know how the New Testament describes him. The Gospels are filled with stories of Jesus physically healing the most vulnerable and despised people in his society.

References to Jesus, of course, didn’t make into the recent U.S. Supreme Court’s hearings on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yet there is a moral dimension to this epic legal debate:

How should the nation help its “least of these,” an estimated 50 million Americans who can’t afford health insurance, as well as those who could go broke or die because they can’t afford medical care?

Christians are as divided about this question as others. Many cite Jesus, but come up with completely different conclusions.

Trust God or government?

Tom Prichard, a Lutheran and president of the Minnesota Family Council, said it’s ultimately about faith.  Who do we trust – God or government?

He opposes “Obamacare” because he has more faith in the market and people, than government.

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“Here Jesus’ words come to mind about not worrying and trusting God to meet our basic needs,” Prichard wrote in an online post warning about the dangers of “government run health care.” “Or if we believe it all depends on us, we’ll look to government.”

When reached at his Minnesota office,Prichard elaborated: He said the nation should empower families and individuals to make health-care decisions. If families can’t afford health insurance, private and public entities like churches and nonprofits should step in, he said.

“We all have the same goal,”Prichard said. “We want all people to have health care, even people who can’t afford it. I would argue that having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse.”

Carl Raschke, a religious studies professor at the University of Denver, evoked Jesus’ words about Rome and taxation.

Raschke cited the New Testament passage when Jesus, after being asked if Jews should pay taxes to Rome, said that people should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Jesus was against strictly political or economic solutions because he thought they were too easy when it comes to the real challenges of human life, Raschke said.

“Writing checks won’t solve social problems,” Raschke said. “One has to get involved. If we see someone in need, we just don’t throw a dollar at him or her. You get to know them, you offer yourself, and ask what you can do for them.”

Helping the Good Samaritans of our day

There are some Christians, though, who say that charity isn’t enough to solve the nation’s health care problems.

An estimated 32 million Americans could lose health insurance if “Obamacare” is struck down, including children who can stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 26 and seniors who get help paying for their drug prescriptions. Most observers say health care costs would continue to rise.

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Some people believe the health care situation in America would be scandalous to Jesus because he was a prophet concerned about social justice.

Steven Kraftchick, a religious scholar, said Jesus comes out of the tradition of Jewish prophets who preached that the health of a society could be measured by how well they took care of “its widows and orphans,” those who had the least power.

Kraftchick said there’s a famous story in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus heals such a person. He was the man who called himself Legion. He might have been called homeless and mentally ill. The man roamed a graveyard, so tormented that even chains could not hold him and everyone feared him, Mark wrote.

Jesus healed the man not only physically, but socially as well, according to Mark. The man returned to his community with a sense of dignity, said Kraftchick, a professor at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology in Atlanta.

“A move toward universal health care would be fitting with the prophetic traditions,” Kraftchick said. “When you read the New Testament and look at the signs of the in-breaking of the Kingdom of God, it’s always connected to being physically healed.”

Yet Marcia Pally, an authority on evangelicals, said many evangelicals are wary of government doing the healing.  Their reasons go back centuries.

Many are the descendants of people who fled Europe because of religious persecution from countries and state churches. They fought a revolution against a government in England.  And they settled a frontier, where the virtue of self-reliance was critical, said Pally, author of “The New Evangelicals: Expanding the Vision of the Common Good.”

Suspicion of government is part of their historical and religious experience, said Pally, a professor at Fordham University and New York University.

Those attitudes, though, may be changing. Pally said she spent six years traveling across America to interview evangelicals. She discovered that a new generation of evangelists now believes that certain issues are too big and complex to be addressed by charity alone.

“Some note that charity is very good at the moment of emergency relief but it doesn’t change the underlying problem  unless structures that keep people poor, sick or deny their access to health insurance are changed,” she said.

No matter what the Supreme Court decides, the legal debate will continue. If more Americans go broke or die because they do not have health insurance, more Americans may ask, what would Jesus do?

But don’t expect any easy answers from the Bible, said Raschke, the religious studies professor at the University of Denver.

“People are always looking for support from the Bible for American political positions,” Rashke said. “Would Jesus be against abortion, or would he support a woman’s right to choose? It’s almost become a standard joke in the theological world that you quote Jesus in American politics to support your political views.

“The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party."

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Christianity • Health care • Jesus • Politics

soundoff (5,234 Responses)
  1. Rideitout

    Christ: "I'd like to help you out but you don't have BC/BS. how much cash or property have you got for my healing you?"

    March 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  2. rcflyer8410

    It's hard to believe a civilized country – or one that claims to be so – is having a debate on whether or not we should require – and make available healthcare to all?

    For all of you right wingers – Romney, your presidential candidate, is so far out of touch – he lives in the land of less tax for billionaires and elevators for cars at your home. He thinks that health care providers should have the right to deny claims for preexisting conditions. The problem is that, especially today, lapses in coverage are sometimes unavoidable. Imagine you have or had health issues while employed. Suddenly, thanks to the horrible economy, you find yourself unemployed. Sorry, but many people cannot afford COBRA rates – especially while unemployed! And with preexisting conditions, good luck finding a new policy for yourself at any lower rate. So, let's say your out of work for some time, and finally find another job that offers insurance. Guess what – all of your current or recent medical issues are considered preexisting. And that's okay with Romney – in the land of "billionaires and elevators for cars".
    That's one of the huge issues today – young and healthy people assume they don't need health care – or in some cases, cannot get health care – perhaps as youths they had medical conditions – and prior to Obama's new law – there were more restrictions as to whom qualified as a dependent under their parents policy. So, these people end up using the emergency room as their means of seeking health care, sticking everyone else with the tab. They are unable to seek proactive medical care and by the time they seek care, it's an emergency – and far more costly than seeking proactive care.

    This is a common sense issue...even the republicans at one point advocated that everyone should be required to have health care – just research Nixon. This is more about politics. It's more of an attack because it was Obama's plan (which he stole from Romney truth be told), rather than an attack against whether or not this approach makes sense. Would Jesus support this? I think Jesus would have been against everything the GOP stands for from taking from the poor and giving to the rich, to denying millions health care, and thinking we live in a wonderful country when inequality is so out of control that we have millions unemployed, homeless, or living in poverty. The right wing doesn't understand the bible – most probably never read it – it's simply a means to justify their hatred of gays and interfering with a woman's right to privacy and control of her own body (hmm....GOP against government intervention – but shaming women seems to be acceptable!).

    March 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  3. religious?

    Paul, though not the originator, was the principal founder of Christianity as a religion. It was he who composed an entire theology incorporating doctrines that Jesus never mentioned. These came to supersede the simple homiletics of the obscure itinerant rabbi, and transformed what was a Jewish reform sect into a new, and increasingly Gentile, religion. When people think of Christianity, it is primarily Paulism they have in mind.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  4. max

    wow. this is ridic. theres no evidence jesus did anything special. he was killed cuz he was being crazy. he didnt come back to life... a bunch of bull that was made up over the years. religion is dumb. without it the world would be a better place. like do people actually believe in heaven and hell? get real

    March 31, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Personal Responsibility

      In the US, you have the right to deny any religion [God, Great Spirit, Jesus or Mohamed] without ridicule, intimidation or threat of death. Why do you attack, scorn and deride those who do? If they tolerate you, why are you so intolerant of them?

      March 31, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Anon

      Personal Responsibility: Seriously are you that dense?
      Have you even lived or heard about the bible belt?
      The mere mention of being an atheist and nothing more is social suicide in certain bible belt towns.

      March 31, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
  5. b4bigbang

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2The same was in the beginning with God.

    3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

    7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

    8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

    9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

    10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

    11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

    16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

    17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • momoya

      "No man hath seen god at any time.." except for Moses, Elijah, and a half dozen other whackos in the babble.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Anon

      Philo of Alexandria a Hellenist Jew made up concept of the Logos (the first thing you wrote), then it was plagiarized by early proto-Christian sects.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • max

      hahahah great reply. exactly. religion is all made up. i wonder if dinosaurs believed in god

      March 31, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Boast Busters

      "i wonder if dinosaurs believed in god"

      They must've sinned mightily to be wiped out like that... but bacteria and co'ckroaches - hey, dey da' bestest!

      March 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • Anon

      max: Ironically Philo of Alexandria lived during the alleged lifetime of Jesus, yet as a very serious historian wrote nothing about Jesus. As in Zip, zero, nada.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
      1 Corinthians 2

      March 31, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Anon

      Blah, blah, blah. more nonsense from the big book of Jewish myths.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  6. just me

    There are two types of Republicans... those in fear and just care about their guns. those in greed and just care about their money... @#%@ the rest of us... We must give all citizens healthcare. It is the only way to have a healthy and strong workforce!.. you Republicans... listen WORKFORCE that you can USE!!!

    March 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Bob

      That's pretty accurate.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  7. Lamarquise

    Seems to me like the answer to this one is pretty simple. Jesus was worried about the state of peoples' hearts. If our hearts aren't in the right place, no solution–public or private–will ever work. Jesus would encourage us to become skilled and self-sufficient to the full extent of our ability so that we don't have to depend on others for our needs. Similarly, our brains, our creativity, our love for people must be engaged. No government can, with more than the grossest inefficiency, force what must ultimately be freely given in order to be any credit to any of us. Throwing money at problems is, in many cases, a stupid waste unless we also address the real social breakdowns and needs driving the issues in our health care system. And I think he'd be very concerned about the impact of depending too much on a government on our souls and freedom.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  8. Again

    We should never give up our rights for anything, If we are not forced to take it then I am for it. Remember in the first bill that was put up for a vote we all had to be implanted with an RFID chip. Should be a red flag for Christians. The real issue is controlling the health care cost. An ace bandage should not cost 75 dollars at he hospital and you can get a better one at the pharmacy for 25 dollars.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  9. Rideitout

    Conservatives denounce, defame and decry liberals all week and then they go and worhip one every Sunday. Strange country and religion.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      well said

      March 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  10. Thor4

    Yes, he would . He had sensitivity towards humans and was not interested in just lining his pockets from other peoples misery. The Republicans have the nerve to talk about Christianity and their beliefs. Their only thought is to look after themselves. They do not care a damn about anyone else. What is wrong with the world today when people can stand back and watch the GOP intentially take away medical help from people who need care. Do you not think that the whole scenerio would be different if the Congress was without Medical Insurance ? Of course it would . The Supreme Court judges should be ashamed of themselves but I am sure they are too busy lining their pockets from the Insurance companies.

    March 31, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Elizabeth

      Every person who dies because the emergency room does not do chemo therapy is being killed by Republican policy. It should be called murder.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  11. just me

    You obviously never lived in Europe.. I have. Nobody suffers there for lack of healthcare... Who's Talking To You? Sounds like your listening to American propaganda.. Europeans worry about their lifestyle and eating well because they can and we cant...

    March 31, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  12. arizonapatriot

    Our Lord's only Son, Jesus the Christ would have no need for health care, He would heal the sick and feed the poor by the power of GOD !

    March 31, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • just me

      Yeah... keep saying THAT for the next 2000 years!

      March 31, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • pastmorm

      arizona...then why isn't he here doing it? Or doesn't he care about the 7 billion people on the earth like he cared about the people 2000 years ago???

      March 31, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • GAW

      hmmmm I sense some sarcasm in your post.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Joseph

      You are religious imbecile.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Boast Busters

      Yeah, and Superman saves folks from collapsing bridges, shipwrecks, earthquake rifts, and bunches of other calamities!

      Get over it. You're On Your Own, YOYO
      (with perhaps a little help from your [human] friends).

      March 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      if i was god, i would have just never invented "disease" or "illness" - then we wouldn't have to worry about getting healed/cured.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Sharon

      That is irrelevant because he is not here to heal all the sick Americans on a daily basis. Too many – 45,000 people – DIE each year of treatable illnesses because they have no healthcare. That is not a sign of the greatest nation in the world at all.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Elizabeth

      I believe in Jesus very strongly, but also in health care. The Evangelist Luke was a doctor. There were many saints who were doctors, the "unmercenaries" gave their medical help away to the poor. Doctors must pay their student loans, malpractice insurance, office overhead, billing, etc.; very few can give away their services. The only point of some kind of universal health care is to help the doctors do their job.

      Jesus NEVER said we do not need doctors. HE said that if an animal you own falls into a ditch on the Sabbath, you would go pull it out. He didn't say that God would pull it out. To stop people from healing is just like those who tried to stop Jesus from healing every day of the week.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
  13. GianCarlo

    Why is it the the Christians are all or mostly Republicans.........yet it's the Democrats who are hell bent on helping the poor, the needy, rights for women, etc, etc. What is wrong with this picture??????

    March 31, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • momoya

      Republicans worship capitalism more than Jesus; capitalism is just fiscal darwinism (survival of the fittest).. In practice, it's you can't have it if you can't afford it.. It's only in theory that you get perfect health (eternal life) for simply being a citizen (of heaven).

      March 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Again

      You would probably have more christian democrats if the democrats didnt push abortion and gay rights.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Sharon

      @Again .... the Democrats don't PUSH abortion and gay rights. They PUSH for people to HAVE rights. The right to choose what do do with their own bodies and in their own lives.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Elizabeth

      Christians are NOT Republicans. The Republicans make noise that they are the only Christians, but they are wrong, and take the Name of the Lord in vain.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
  14. Rob

    "....having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse."

    So why has government being the primary vehicle in other countries produced better results? This isn't about government involvement in healthcare, this is about insurance companies remaining profitable. I think people should get healthcare and other people shouldn't be profiting from it. Let the medical professionals make a living doing what they do but cut out the person sitting at a desk playing god and making the ultimate decisions on who will be treated.

    March 31, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
  15. just me

    Look at this other headline... Capitalism at its worst.. and we can't offer free healthcare because privatized insurance companies need to make their profits before giving someone an extra chemotherapy visit... We as a nation are laudable. We never evolved from the Wild West Days. "Americans make up just 5 percent of the world's population but account for 25 percent of the population behind bars. Why? Because prisons are a big business"

    March 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  16. Qubee

    Jesus would say "to hell with it!"

    March 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  17. Norm2

    Jesus would not call on the US government to take care of those in need. Jesus called on believers to take responsibility for taking care of the orphans, widows, and the poor; he never once asked the Romans or the Hebrew king to take care of anyone. Our Christian churches are the ones who are failing those in need – that means those in the pews who call themselves Christians are not following Jesus' commands. Quit waiting on governments to do your job!

    March 31, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • religious?

      Churches are for profit as well!

      March 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Stashu

      Most of the individuals in the pews are not rich. They go to pray for help and hope that their faith will help mthem get by. The poorest nations in thye world tend to be the most religious, the poorest districts in our couintry tend to be the most religious. Faith helps them get by day to day. The rich go to church when cameras are present.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  18. SciGuy

    Jesus opposes theft; see the 10 commandments. Taking my property to pay for others property is theft. Jesus would thus oppose it.

    March 31, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • mikithinks

      Jesus said, "Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasar's" and he was speaking specificaly about taxes. He said to pay taxes. New point is?

      March 31, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Guest1m

      I suppose he promoted being somewhat selfless though. I get your point. But I think it means you are a horrible person.

      March 31, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Burden of proof

      Quote the line that states taxes. Otherwise this is another attempt to interpret verses from the bible to suit the needs of the faithful...

      Theology and interpretation are pure nonsense.

      March 31, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Miki, rendering unto Caesar what is Caesars does not address what IS Caesars. But Thou shalt not steal is perfectly clear.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Guest, I fail to understand how advocating Jesus support of the 10 commandments makes me horrible.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Burden, your post is nonsense.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Rob

      You don't technically own anything to steal Sci guy. Your possessions are only being borrowed for the short time you are on earth.... and the 10 commandments are the old covenant from the days when we sacrificed animals. The new covenant and testament are about Jesus being the sacrificial lamb and paying for our sins. A thief will make it into the kingdom of heaven, but a rich man will not.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, it's true we no longer live under the law but under grace. However, stealing is still immoral and condemned in the NT as well. We do have property, and to forcibly take my property to distribute as one sees fit is theft. Jesus condemns it.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • Rob

      ....and how many people did you have to steal from to acquire you great wealth? How many property owners are stealing from their community when they cheat and lie on their taxes. Jesus also condemned the wealthy when He stated that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. In civilized societies, we pay taxes to provide necessary services that would never get organized by business. If you wish to continue using our services and not pay for them, you are the thief.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • SciGuy

      No, Rob, not so. The consti.tution nowhere authorizes redistribution of wealth. Because that is theft, which our founders recognized as immoral. And Jesus condemns it as well. It is true that I have nothing that was not given to me by God. But still it is mine, and God con.demns those who steal it, be they men or govts.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, you greatly err by saying Jesus condemned the wealthy. He did no such thing. Cite any passage where Jesus condemns the wealthy as a class.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Rob

      The founders of the U.S. were not moral men. They believed in treason and slavery and stealing land from indigenous people. Capitalism is just an economic model that follows imperialism and mercantilism and is based entirely on greed which is also condemned by Jesus. You should stay off our roads, not call the fire department if your house is burning, and don't use healthcare because the government is funding those advances through studies being conducted at universities. Business doesn't want to provide medical treatment, they only wants to develop pharmaceuticals because drugs sell. They want to mask the problem rather than solve it. Sooner or later your republican ideology will be considered criminal. The real problem in the world is created by the wealthy people that horde the earths scarce resources. Again, you are the thief if you are taking more than you need.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Rob

      “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:23-24

      There are wealthy people that have no money. You could have a wealth of anything I suppose so I don't believe Jesus was condemning wealth but he specifically condemned the rich. Would you say it's possible for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle?

      March 31, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • SciGuy

      No, Rob, not so. The earths resources are plenteous. The laborer is worthy of his wages. Jesus commended wealthy men of faith. Abraham was wealthy as was David and Solomon. And Lot. Greed is an awful sin, but is a sin of the poor as well of the rich. You have serious exegetical issues, and are attempting to use your flawed theology to condemn political ideologies.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Rob

      wrong. The study of economics began because of the realization that a scientific method was the best means for allocating the earths scarce resources.

      April 1, 2012 at 12:02 am |
  19. Qubee

    Warning! The man on the picture is not Jesus! It's some white man in pajamas, ready for a toga party.

    Real Jesus is dark skinned Middle-Eastern Jewish Arab!

    March 31, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Kramer

      You idiot.....Jesus was a Caucasian/European man with red hair. He was not a 'Jew', he was a 'Judean'. He fought against the Jews (Pharisees), and was eventually murdered by them. I can tell you've been reading some kosher-approved history books 🙂 LOL

      March 31, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Again

      Jesus was Jewish not Arabian,

      March 31, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Burden of proof

      jewish is a faith, Arabian is a race. You are misguided and should understand he was an Arabian Jew. Therefore tan skin with thick wiry beard, dark hair, and dark eyes. Most DEFINITLY not white.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Stashu

      Don't you know that's how everybody knew he was the son of God. Everybody else for miles around were dark skinned and he was white, therefore he had to be the son of God.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Again

      Your are correct he was not white...he was jewish. Read the bible

      March 31, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Anon

      Bearded dark/brown skin Semitic race (desert, hello) if he existed at all.

      March 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  20. Fish

    Jesus would definitely support health care for all, the form of which matters not as long as the goal is achieved. Jesus taught love and caring for others he would be angry that our greed is an issue or that others profit from this basic aspect of life. There are simply some things we needn't make a profit from, caring for the sick is one of those things. May the lord forgive our sins on this matter.

    March 31, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Wrong, Fish. Jesus clearly opposes theft.

      March 31, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Burden of proof

      true and you should repent your sins for suggesting such blasphemys.

      1000 hail marys should suffice

      March 31, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Standing Up

      Jesus commanded us, "If you love me, feed my sheep". That, plus many other verses, tell us we are responsible for helping each other. HOWEVER. We are to help out of our love for God, because loving our neighbors like ourselves means we give others the same as what we have. Very, very, very few do anywhere near this. God does not want us relying on government, that's not its job. God wants us relying on Him, loving Him by loving our neighbors and giving generously, trusting that we don't have to worry about "giving too much" because He's always taking care of us. Countless testimonies from generous givers (who hadn't started with much to give), not to mention the Bible's promises, show this is something you can really count on. I agree with the no profit ideal, however, unfortunately, human nature being what it is, you can't count on good health care that's coming from strictly altruistic companies. We watched that ideal die a horrible death under communism. Besides, the Bible also clearly states that workers deserve their wages. (It's not so clear on huge profit margins for companies, however, and I'd tend to agree with you on the sinful aspects of that; however a reasonable profit isn't sinful.) You are right, we ARE greedy and selfish; we are supposed to be sharing so none go hungry or are in need, but how many of us do that? Boils down to, it's OUR responsibility as Christians, not the Governments. We need to step it up!! If we showed the world what we are TRULY supposed to be, and who our God REALLY is, think of the impact!!

      March 31, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Rob

      SciGuy only has one argument to anything. Apparently any tax is theft. There is a way for you to avoid taxes and it is by leaving our community.

      March 31, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Another way is to restore the Consti.tution, Rob. And restore morality regarding theft of private property. Do you support slavery, Rob?

      March 31, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Rob

      I know..you are are now going to try sell the idea that a tax is slavery and then I will talk about a wage being slavery and you are going to continue pushing your ideas on income and private property and being forced to contribute a fair share towards common goods and services is a theft. A coordinated effort across an area the size of the United States would require some form of organization which we call government and that government can not operate without resources which are provided through a contribution of everyone that benefits from that organization. You must pay a tax (let's call it something else if you like) as a beneficiary or it is a theft from the people around you that are contributing.

      March 31, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Well, again Rob, no. Taxes that support things that const.itute the common good are not theft. This would include roads, infrastructure, post office, things that all use and that clearly are not a redistribution of wealth, or a forcing of some people to support others. My slavery question springs from what appears to be your position that my wages are to be viewed as a pool from which the govt can draw to distribute to whom they decide–that is slavery. Whenever my wages belong to someone else to distribute as they choose, then they are the Master and I the slave. You appear to endorse this system, and thus must support slavery.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • Rob

      The best healthcare and education are two of the greatest contributions to the common good. Thank you.

      Denying healthcare to anyone to remain profitable is wrong particularly when profits are at an all time high. To be greedy when already a millionaire/billionaire is far different from the person that is hungry and homeless. It would be natural to want more food when you have no food, and it would be natural to want shelter when it's raining. How could you equate the greed of the poor to the greed of the wealthy. Apparently the poor are not very good at the sin of greed.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, the const.itution specifies exactly where the fed govt has authority. Guess what? Health care wasn't included. And anything not specifically enumerated is left to the states or the people, see 9th and 10th amendments. Ditto education, btw. Another area where fed govt involvement is unconst.itutional. And immoral, but that'll wait for another discussion.

      Coveting is a sin, in fact one of the Big Ten. It too applies to both poor and rich, but is probably more of a problem for the poor. You facilitate their sin by seeking to stir up envy of the wealthy. Shame on you.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Rob

      SciGuy, again, no.. I think of your wages as coming from a common pool ,which are now unfortunately not based on any real standard. Your wages are generally in line with the salary of your colleagues and based on the particular skill sets that you have. The taxes that you pay have been agreed on by the people based on the income bracket that you fall within. You should have been present that day at the congressional hearings to give your expert testimony to the committee.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Rob

      Hmmm.... I was in that course, "Federalism and the Separation of Powers". Were you the guy sleeping in the back row?

      March 31, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, haha, that's a good one. I must have missed that meeting where I "agreed on" my tax bracket! Regardless of your nonsense thought regarding the "common pool" my wages come immediately from my employer who values my skills. And they are MY wages, not yours, not the homeless family's, not the lifelong smoker now suffering from lung cancer, not the single mother of five who is struggling to make ends meet.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, judging from what you were taught, that guy sleeping in the back took the high road.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Rob

      I do not envy the rich nor do I facilitate envy among the poor. I pity those that horde material possessions because greed is a sickness that facilitates every evil in this world.

      Watch out for that hungry person that has envy for your sub roll.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, when you advocate plundering the wealthy to support the poor, you most certainly do facilitate envy, and are thus an accomplice in sin. Do you consider yourself wiser than God? He would know better than you those sins which plague the world, and his top ten list curiously is missing greed, but contains coveting. Hmmm....I will stick with God, Rob.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Rob

      Greed is one of the 7 cardinal sins which of course is just referred to in Christian ethics. I only endorse plundering ignorance through education.

      No one part could ever be greater than the whole. Obviously nothing could be greater than God.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • SciGuy

      Rob, and yet your other posts indicate you favor the plundering of some taxpayers to provide for others. You can't advocate it in one blurb and deny you're doing it in the next. At least not with integrity.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • Rob

      I guess it comes down to comprehension.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • Rob

      You have been referring to the 10 commandments as God's all time top ten list? of sins? I might be the one misunderstanding or is there an all time top ten list of sins somewhere (would love to know the book, chapter, verse if referring to another list of ten things). Honor thy father and mother is which sin? No envy eh? That's gonna be a hard one for the advertisers.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
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