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Jesus depicted healing a sick child.
June 28th, 2012
08:45 AM ET

Would Jesus support health care reform?

Editor’s note: This piece ran earlier this year, but we’re spotlighting it now because of Thursday’s health care decision from the Supreme Court. The story generated more than 3,000 comments, including these two:

David Nelson
It is sad that Jesus has been demoted to being a politician. Jesus plainly said "My Kingdom is not of this world." Movements to use Him to promote their agendas, whether they be on the Left or Right, are extremely suspect in the eyes of this Christian.

kateslate
Jesus would SO have been a democrat. He taught us to care for the sick...not to profit off illness. I don't know how Republicans can live with themselves and call themselves Christian.

What’s your take?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - He was a healer, a provider of universal health care, a man of compassion who treated those with preexisting medical conditions.

We don’t know what Jesus thought about the individual mandate or buying broccoli. But we do know how the New Testament describes him. The Gospels are filled with stories of Jesus physically healing the most vulnerable and despised people in his society.

References to Jesus, of course, didn’t make into the recent U.S. Supreme Court’s hearings on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yet there is a moral dimension to this epic legal debate:

How should the nation help its “least of these,” an estimated 50 million Americans who can’t afford health insurance, as well as those who could go broke or die because they can’t afford medical care?

Christians are as divided about this question as others. Many cite Jesus, but come up with completely different conclusions.

Trust God or government?

Tom Prichard, a Lutheran and president of the Minnesota Family Council, said it’s ultimately about faith.  Who do we trust – God or government?

He opposes “Obamacare” because he has more faith in the market and people, than government.

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“Here Jesus’ words come to mind about not worrying and trusting God to meet our basic needs,” Prichard wrote in an online post warning about the dangers of “government run health care.” “Or if we believe it all depends on us, we’ll look to government.”

When reached at his Minnesota office,Prichard elaborated: He said the nation should empower families and individuals to make health-care decisions. If families can’t afford health insurance, private and public entities like churches and nonprofits should step in, he said.

“We all have the same goal,”Prichard said. “We want all people to have health care, even people who can’t afford it. I would argue that having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse.”

Carl Raschke, a religious studies professor at the University of Denver, evoked Jesus’ words about Rome and taxation.

Raschke cited the New Testament passage when Jesus, after being asked if Jews should pay taxes to Rome, said that people should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Jesus was against strictly political or economic solutions because he thought they were too easy when it comes to the real challenges of human life, Raschke said.

“Writing checks won’t solve social problems,” Raschke said. “One has to get involved. If we see someone in need, we just don’t throw a dollar at him or her. You get to know them, you offer yourself, and ask what you can do for them.”

Helping the Good Samaritans of our day

There are some Christians, though, who say that charity isn’t enough to solve the nation’s health care problems.

An estimated 32 million Americans could lose health insurance if “Obamacare” is struck down, including children who can stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 26 and seniors who get help paying for their drug prescriptions. Most observers say health care costs would continue to rise.

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Some people believe the health care situation in America would be scandalous to Jesus because he was a prophet concerned about social justice.

Steven Kraftchick, a religious scholar, said Jesus comes out of the tradition of Jewish prophets who preached that the health of a society could be measured by how well they took care of “its widows and orphans,” those who had the least power.

Kraftchick said there’s a famous story in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus heals such a person. He was the man who called himself Legion. He might have been called homeless and mentally ill. The man roamed a graveyard, so tormented that even chains could not hold him and everyone feared him, Mark wrote.

Jesus healed the man not only physically, but socially as well, according to Mark. The man returned to his community with a sense of dignity, said Kraftchick, a professor at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology in Atlanta.

“A move toward universal health care would be fitting with the prophetic traditions,” Kraftchick said. “When you read the New Testament and look at the signs of the in-breaking of the Kingdom of God, it’s always connected to being physically healed.”

Yet Marcia Pally, an authority on evangelicals, said many evangelicals are wary of government doing the healing.  Their reasons go back centuries.

Many are the descendants of people who fled Europe because of religious persecution from countries and state churches. They fought a revolution against a government in England.  And they settled a frontier, where the virtue of self-reliance was critical, said Pally, author of “The New Evangelicals: Expanding the Vision of the Common Good.”

Suspicion of government is part of their historical and religious experience, said Pally, a professor at Fordham University and New York University.

Those attitudes, though, may be changing. Pally said she spent six years traveling across America to interview evangelicals. She discovered that a new generation of evangelists now believes that certain issues are too big and complex to be addressed by charity alone.

“Some note that charity is very good at the moment of emergency relief but it doesn’t change the underlying problem  unless structures that keep people poor, sick or deny their access to health insurance are changed,” she said.

No matter what the Supreme Court decides, the legal debate will continue. If more Americans go broke or die because they do not have health insurance, more Americans may ask, what would Jesus do?

But don’t expect any easy answers from the Bible, said Raschke, the religious studies professor at the University of Denver.

“People are always looking for support from the Bible for American political positions,” Rashke said. “Would Jesus be against abortion, or would he support a woman’s right to choose? It’s almost become a standard joke in the theological world that you quote Jesus in American politics to support your political views.

“The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party."

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Christianity • Health care • Jesus • Politics

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  1. Big Man

    How does this fit in the equation. A guy who, we're told, lived 2000yrs ago in the Levant. Wake-up people. Use your head rather than speculate what such a person not in our time or region would have thought.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • opinion8it

      Jesus was a man, Christ is a belief and a way of life. Jesus died on the cross – Christ never did.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      SOOoooo Big Mn, we are suppose to forget about Time's past altogether? Isn't it better to remember the past lest we forget it and then repeat it?

      March 31, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
  2. RichardSRussell

    The fact that you can find people who will "authoritatively" quote Jesus as taking every conceivable position on any issue you care to name illustrates perfectly why this is a fatuous, vacuous, pointless question.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      How RichardSRussell does Jesus do what you suppose Him to do? The mountainous regions of the religious do still have valleys of dormancies and rivers of socialism that flow and ebb away the shorelines.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  3. Josh

    He supported slavery why would he support health care? 1 Timothy 6:1-2

    March 31, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Truthfully

      Nowhere in these verses does it say Christ supported slavery. It does say how slaves and their masters should conduct themselves. A careful search of the scriptures will reveal that slaves are encouraged to become free if possible.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • ignorance!

      @truthfully.
      The bible clearly supports slavery! Did you not read my earlie3r post. I even included where they were in the bible!
      Do you want me to post them again?

      March 31, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
  4. ignorance!

    LET GO 0F DOGMA!
    BELIEVE WHAT IS REAL WITH YOUR GOD GIVEN SENSE OF "REASON"!

    THIS WILL PREVENT ANYONE FROM TEACHING YOU THAT 2 PLUS 2 EQUAL 3, OR 5, OR PURPLE!

    WAKE UP ZOMBIES! YOUVE BEEN MESMERIZED FOR FAR TOO LONG!

    LET GO OF DOGMA! BELIEVE WHAT IS REAL!

    March 31, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      What is REAL? What regulates REALISM? Why are things REAL? Where and when is it REAL? Who for that matter is REAL? Are we not made up of "atomic" matter, a suppoedly REAL Dmension of spatialness that we have yet to fully comprehend much less see with our own eyes?

      March 31, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      What's real? Well, SF writer Philip K. Dick, who had a lot of experience exploring alternatives, concluded that "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

      March 31, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • ignorance!

      Perhaps is your inability to differentiate what is real and what isn't. And thats probably why you hold so dearly to what is not real!
      God gave you a very special gift of reason! He give it to all of his creatures of mobile life!
      When a cat has kittens, he imparted the reasoning in her protect and feed, and nurture them. They dont need a bible to know what needs to be done to support life! And neither do you if you use your god given gift of reason!

      March 31, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • just sayin

      @richardsrussel
      Philip K Dick isn't here the only dick we have to talk with is you. How's it working out for you having a dick do your thinking for you?

      March 31, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      RichardSRussell,,,,

      SF writer FKP you say/ Never heard of him. Musta been the fact that I quit reading back in the mid 70's of last century Bradbury and Issac A. and J R Tolkien along with a few SF writings regarding Vernnie baby! Today it seems easier to watch it on the boobie tube than to read it. 🙂

      March 31, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  5. JLS1950

    The question is not whether we trust God or trust government: the question is whether we recognize the trust that God has put IN US – and whether we are BETRAYING that trust by our own failure to take necessary action. Government is one of the means we can employ to do what God Himself instructed US to do!

    "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matt 25:41-46)

    When Jesus said "visit", He DID NOT mean "go drink their coffee and eat their cookies"!!! WE are responsible before God to ensure that those who are ill HAVE HEALTHCARE. Fail and you fail for ETERNITY!!!

    March 31, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Scott

      WOW very well said. Our failure to work together says more about our morals than anything in the bible.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Josh

      How do you know what he said or was thinking? Can you read the mind of every imaginary person that was created by people living in the stone age and our only record of it was written by an unknown author that cannot be verified?

      March 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Truthfully

      We are personally responsible, not the government. Christ did not force us or command the government to force us; it has always been about personal responsibility. Do your part but don't think you have the authority to command others to do what you think they should do; after all, you don't want anyone ordering you around...that's God's business.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Nancy Bosch

      I agree with you totally. The right thing is to provide affordable health care for everyone, leaving out no one. That is the right thing
      morally, ethically and spiritually. I think Christ would say that also.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      JLS1950

      Well said!

      March 31, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Truthfully
      How do you say what you said in your post above, when you know that a person can develop a disease, that was totally out of their control? Or to someone who breaks their bone by an accident, and is charged 3K figure for hospital bill for staying just one week? How do you say what you're saying to someone who has a family to feed and his pay can not stretch enough to feed his family, pay rent and other necessities, PLUS a insurance that costs over 1K pear month? You see, that's what God is saying to those who have the power to step in and make laws to PROTECT the people from greedy vultures, yet they don't' do it, because they are in bed with them!!
      Yes, it is time that the Christians of this country do some Soul Searching, instead of siding up with the hypocrites!It's no wonder, those who are supposed to be the light have become salt without flavor, and the world is walking all over them!

      March 31, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
  6. Scott

    I'm guessing that all depends on whether most health policies cover nail removal.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Hit the nail on the head Scott 😉

      March 31, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
  7. ignorance!

    Regarding the Bible's Book of Revelation Thomas Jefferson did not believe it was from God, but thought it was from a lunatic! In a letter to General Alexander Smyth dated January 17, 1825 Jefferson wrote that he “considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherence of our own nightly dreams

    March 31, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Truthfully

      Big deal, the religious leaders who led the mobs to Crucify the Son of God thought He was out of His mind but the fact is, one day every knee will bow to the Son of God. You can believe it or not, but it is true.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • joe

      John's vision of dragons spewing fire I'm sure sounded like the rantings of a mad man to old Thomas. Of course he just might have used those exact terms if he had a vision/dream of an Apache Helicopter spewing it's fire.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • ignorance!

      Umm! And to you truthfully, I would have to say he's running a little late!
      About 2000 years late!
      im just saying....
      When is it time to hang up the nonsense of what you've been brainwashed to believe in?

      March 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • opinion8it

      ...and you're saying all this to say what exactly?

      March 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • ignorance!

      @opinion8it

      If you would use your reasoning, you would understand that what im saying is to be reasonable, no delusional!
      WAKE UP ZOMBIE!
      YOUVE BEEN MEZMERIZED FOR FAR TOO LONG!

      March 31, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
  8. Salero21

    Luke 10:30-35
    30 Jesus replied and said, "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped him and beat him, and went away leaving him half dead.
    31 "And by chance a priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
    32 "Likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
    33 "But a Samaritan, who was on a journey, came upon him; and when he saw him, he felt compassion,
    34 and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on {them; } and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him.
    35 "On the next day he took out 2 denarii and gave them to the innkeeper and said, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I return I will repay you.'

    I know what the Samaritan did but I don't know if Jesus would support the current Law. However; "to Caesar what is Caesar and to God what belongs to God", sounds to me like a good rule of thumb.

    The Government; this and any Government, of any Nation, at any time, have or a least ought/should have at least IMVHO, a Vested Interest on the well being and health of ALL the citizens and for all the right reasons. I just gave to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Thank you very much for the opportunity to do it!

    March 31, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • dalaurya

      Thank you for this post. I was thinking the same thing.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
  9. ObjectiveOpinion

    Would Jesus support health care reform? Who in their right mind would care if a person who never existed, and is used as a tool by the catholic church to propogate their drive to control people into believing they should listen to their pope and priests who abuse children. But I digress...

    March 31, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • izy

      dude i agree with you....keep spreading the truth dude.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • well

      Objective Opinion? Really? The man Jesus did exist. "Was he any more than a man?" is the question.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      "The man Jesus did exist."? Don't be so sure. The only evidence we have is a collection of 4 short stories written by admittedly devout anonymous authors 50-130 years after he supposedly died. None of them knew Jesus personally. We have no eyewitness accounts of his life, which seems to be an amalgam of all of the various savior myths common in the Middle East at the time. The gospels disagree with each other all over the place, and they reference events that NOBODY ELSE NOTICED, like the star in the east, the Great Census of Caesar Augustus, and the zombie jamboree in Jerusalem as Jesus was being crucified. In short, there's more fiction than fact in there. If there really WAS such a person as Jesus (and we'll never know for sure), he was nothing like the way he's been portrayed.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  10. TomCom

    I'm sure the Romans created Christianity for a way to control the masses.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Dave in SC

      On the contrary, the Romans tried VERY hard to stamp out Christianity for over 200 years.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • well

      I am sure History 101 would be useful for you.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Robinhood

      emperor Nero would disagree..nice try...try again

      March 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
  11. jonathan

    OF COURSE conservatives support something as humanitarian as this...unless it interferes with the pocket book.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things*.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • izy

      ignorant comment :'/

      March 31, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      You still here spamming us .. you know who you are. The more you post it the more its just background noise, I'm just sayin'.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      You continue to post this. You also continue to ignore my standard challenge to it: Name one!

      Can't do it, can you? You've got a grand total of 3 arrows in your quiver, and you keep shooting them over and over again.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • just sayin

      You are here. One proof as requested. You are being answered there is just too many posting on this story.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven
      Effective

      March 31, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • Templeton Foundation Prayer Study

      Results:
      In the two groups uncertain about receiving intercessory prayer, complications occurred
      in 52% (315/604) of patients who received intercessory prayer versus 51% (304/597) of those
      who did not (relative risk 1.02, 95% confidence interval 0.92-1.15). Complications occurred in
      59% (352/601) of patients certain of receiving intercessory prayer compared with the 52%
      (315/604) of those uncertain of receiving intercessory prayer (relative risk 1.14, 95% confidence
      interval 1.02-1.28). Major events and 30-day mortality were similar across the 3 groups.

      Conclusions:
      Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on complication-free recovery from
      CABG, but certainty of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with a higher incidence of
      complications.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      I stand corrected. Not 1 but 2 new arrows. Each as devoid of evidence as the 1st 3.

      C'mon, dude, you keep saying prayer changes things. What? When? Who? Facts! FIgures! Dates! References! Something MORE than just your utterly unsubstantiated word for it.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • just sayin

      You are here .

      March 31, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • just sayin

      You are here
      What = result of prayer, you are here by divine appointment
      When = now, changed what you would otherwise do
      Who = you
      Bonus W = Why = To be exposed to two wonderful Truths. First that atheism is totally useless and second that talking with God is available to you. God bless (third Truth added no extra charge)

      March 31, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  13. ignorance!

    shake off all the fears and servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine first the religion of your own country. Read the bible then, as you would read Livy or Tacitus."

    March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • ignorance!

      This is what Thomas Jefferson wrote to his nephew on the issue regarding religions!

      March 31, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  14. Jim

    AGuest9, first it is well known that 1st and 2nd century Roman historians held a strong lack of interest in Christianity. However, it didn't stop references from cropping up. Cassius Dio, for example. Also, Pliny the younger, which curiously makes your list, was well known for his docu..mentation of the happenings of Christianity in the Empire. I dare not jump into your copy and pasted list there from a less reliable source as I don't have the time, but I caution you, don't believe all the lack of evidence you hear, it's there and it's well accepted.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Most of the evidence is hearsay, and a small part of it comprises known forgeries. There are ZERO eyewitness accounts.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Bible is almost exclusively eye witness accounts.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
  15. angel611

    "When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven"
    Guess he excluded healthcare, I must have missed that one.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  16. Carl

    Even Jesus would not read this 2700 page law. Neither will the Supreme Court. Instead they will strike it down in its entirety.

    March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • opinion8it

      I don't think that you are in a position to say what Jesus' reading limits are.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      I share your contempt for the Supreme Court's 5-justice conservative majority. I fully agree that they will shirk their duty in this matter.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Mark

      The people who talk about health care, they all have very good care and it is govt. health care. Take away there health care, then see how quickly they support govt care.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  17. buzzoff

    Jesus doesn't want dependency on big govt.
    jesus wants you to get out there & work for your bread
    jesus does not like takers

    March 31, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • angel611

      When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven

      March 31, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Truthfully

      Jesus wants us to believe Him. That would be the best place to start with healthcare reform. Everyone take personal responsibility for their own lives and let others do the same. Then, when there is truly a need for help, it will be provided.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • opinion8it

      "Jesus doesn't want dependency on big govt."

      - then why did he form Israel with his kings; prophets and laws?

      " jesus wants you to get out there & work for your bread"

      Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these - Luke 12:27

      "jesus does not like takers"

      Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me."

      March 31, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Truthfully

      @opinion8it
      He gave Israel a king because they wanted one rather than a theocracy.
      He gave them prophets to speak His words to them.
      He gave them laws so there wouldn't be chaos.
      Luke 12:27 was to encourage people not to worry.
      "If man does not work he should not eat" is a verse from the New Testament you neglected to quote. (in other words, no freeloading)
      And the last verse quoted is directed to those who mistakenly think they will enter heaven, not the government. It's all about personal responsibility. Yes, we have a personal responsibility to help the poor and when we get involved, personally, we can better understand who is a freeloader and who is truly deserving.

      March 31, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  18. The Styk

    Jesus help those who help themselves... we have become way to reliant on others.... we are screwing with natural selection... would cancer be so prevelant if we would allow the weak to die and the strong to survive. I guess there is no money in that idea but the funeral homes would smile. (yes, if my seed brought weakness, then maybe it should die, crying left aside)

    March 31, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • buzzoff

      jesus hates lazy people...

      March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • opinion8it

      Sorry – Jesus never said to the poor "I will help you if you help yourselves".... let's not exagerate things.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • RichardSRussell

      Actually, since cancer is a disease of old age, which kicks in long after most people have done whatever procreating they're going to do, it has zero effect on long-term survivability of the species.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
  19. ignorance!

    The establishment of the innocent and genuine character of this benevolent moralist (Jesus), and the rescuing it from the imputation of imposture, which has resulted from artificial systems [E.g., The immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity, original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of Hierarchy, etc.] invented by ultra-Christian sects, unauthorized by a single word ever uttered by GOD!

    March 31, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • ignorance!

      This is also what Thomas Jefferson wrote to his nephew regarding religions!

      March 31, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  20. PRISM 1234

    If our government did its duty toward the people, and if it didn't allow the vultures of corporate mafia to do as they will, leaching and rap'ing the people of this country, we wouldn't have this debate now. It's not the matter of private socialized, UHC, it's the matter of greed and corruption that has overtaken our healthcare, bringing untold $$$$$ to those are holding all the ropes, making profits of of the people's hardships and misfortunes. And our government has allowed it. Jesus always targeted the root of the cause. And the cause for this shameful, dark spot on the conscience of this country lies on the hands of those who sit in the seats of power(government), but have done NOTHING to prevent this crime against the citizens of this country. We have two dead beat parties, but the ones that claim to be christian, and lead masses of blinded Christians, convincing them that it it so, THEY are the one who hold greater guilt. Just like pharisees of Jesus' day, who spoke the big swelling words, but were the whitewashed tombstones, full of dead bones, because of their hypocrisy!
    There will be no justice in this corrupt word till Lord Himself brings it! This country had every chance to be light to the nations, but it has become a spectacle even to those who once looked up to it! But its all because it has taken her eyes of God who blessed it, and has given itself over to greed and corruption! Just one more proof that every attempt of man to create and maintain just and righteous society ultimately fails. Because man without God CAN NOT do it, and never will. Period!

    March 31, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • momoya

      You're a proven liar and coward.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Truthfully

      At the root is the love of money and greed. Nothing new under the sun. What we need is a revival beginning with the church and sweeping the whole nation. It's not just those in power who are the greedy sinners. Everyone needs to examine themselves and stop blaming those at the top. Those at the bottom are often no more righteous.

      March 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      You said "You're a proven liar and coward"

      And I say to you:
      You'd rather cut yourself and bleed to death, then admit that someone you hate speaks and proclaims the Truth!

      March 31, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @truthfully
      I think you missed the point here, friend. While it's true people of all social status are "greedy" sinners, and poor man can hold his idols, its the ones on the top that burden and oppress the masses, because they have the power in their hands. There are many Scriptures Testament where Lord rebukes His people Israel for dealing unjustly and deceitfully for greedy gain, leaving the poor man to poverty. See also the Book of James. We must not pretend that it isn't so. That's the problem with much of Christianity in this country, particularly. People pretend, and turn their eyes away from facing the truth. If there is no party out there, nor leader to do justice, we should not compromise and shut our eyes to their hypocrisy , even if it means that we have no one to vote for!

      March 31, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
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