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Jesus depicted healing a sick child.
June 28th, 2012
08:45 AM ET

Would Jesus support health care reform?

Editor’s note: This piece ran earlier this year, but we’re spotlighting it now because of Thursday’s health care decision from the Supreme Court. The story generated more than 3,000 comments, including these two:

David Nelson
It is sad that Jesus has been demoted to being a politician. Jesus plainly said "My Kingdom is not of this world." Movements to use Him to promote their agendas, whether they be on the Left or Right, are extremely suspect in the eyes of this Christian.

kateslate
Jesus would SO have been a democrat. He taught us to care for the sick...not to profit off illness. I don't know how Republicans can live with themselves and call themselves Christian.

What’s your take?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - He was a healer, a provider of universal health care, a man of compassion who treated those with preexisting medical conditions.

We don’t know what Jesus thought about the individual mandate or buying broccoli. But we do know how the New Testament describes him. The Gospels are filled with stories of Jesus physically healing the most vulnerable and despised people in his society.

References to Jesus, of course, didn’t make into the recent U.S. Supreme Court’s hearings on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yet there is a moral dimension to this epic legal debate:

How should the nation help its “least of these,” an estimated 50 million Americans who can’t afford health insurance, as well as those who could go broke or die because they can’t afford medical care?

Christians are as divided about this question as others. Many cite Jesus, but come up with completely different conclusions.

Trust God or government?

Tom Prichard, a Lutheran and president of the Minnesota Family Council, said it’s ultimately about faith.  Who do we trust – God or government?

He opposes “Obamacare” because he has more faith in the market and people, than government.

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“Here Jesus’ words come to mind about not worrying and trusting God to meet our basic needs,” Prichard wrote in an online post warning about the dangers of “government run health care.” “Or if we believe it all depends on us, we’ll look to government.”

When reached at his Minnesota office,Prichard elaborated: He said the nation should empower families and individuals to make health-care decisions. If families can’t afford health insurance, private and public entities like churches and nonprofits should step in, he said.

“We all have the same goal,”Prichard said. “We want all people to have health care, even people who can’t afford it. I would argue that having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse.”

Carl Raschke, a religious studies professor at the University of Denver, evoked Jesus’ words about Rome and taxation.

Raschke cited the New Testament passage when Jesus, after being asked if Jews should pay taxes to Rome, said that people should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Jesus was against strictly political or economic solutions because he thought they were too easy when it comes to the real challenges of human life, Raschke said.

“Writing checks won’t solve social problems,” Raschke said. “One has to get involved. If we see someone in need, we just don’t throw a dollar at him or her. You get to know them, you offer yourself, and ask what you can do for them.”

Helping the Good Samaritans of our day

There are some Christians, though, who say that charity isn’t enough to solve the nation’s health care problems.

An estimated 32 million Americans could lose health insurance if “Obamacare” is struck down, including children who can stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 26 and seniors who get help paying for their drug prescriptions. Most observers say health care costs would continue to rise.

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Some people believe the health care situation in America would be scandalous to Jesus because he was a prophet concerned about social justice.

Steven Kraftchick, a religious scholar, said Jesus comes out of the tradition of Jewish prophets who preached that the health of a society could be measured by how well they took care of “its widows and orphans,” those who had the least power.

Kraftchick said there’s a famous story in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus heals such a person. He was the man who called himself Legion. He might have been called homeless and mentally ill. The man roamed a graveyard, so tormented that even chains could not hold him and everyone feared him, Mark wrote.

Jesus healed the man not only physically, but socially as well, according to Mark. The man returned to his community with a sense of dignity, said Kraftchick, a professor at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology in Atlanta.

“A move toward universal health care would be fitting with the prophetic traditions,” Kraftchick said. “When you read the New Testament and look at the signs of the in-breaking of the Kingdom of God, it’s always connected to being physically healed.”

Yet Marcia Pally, an authority on evangelicals, said many evangelicals are wary of government doing the healing.  Their reasons go back centuries.

Many are the descendants of people who fled Europe because of religious persecution from countries and state churches. They fought a revolution against a government in England.  And they settled a frontier, where the virtue of self-reliance was critical, said Pally, author of “The New Evangelicals: Expanding the Vision of the Common Good.”

Suspicion of government is part of their historical and religious experience, said Pally, a professor at Fordham University and New York University.

Those attitudes, though, may be changing. Pally said she spent six years traveling across America to interview evangelicals. She discovered that a new generation of evangelists now believes that certain issues are too big and complex to be addressed by charity alone.

“Some note that charity is very good at the moment of emergency relief but it doesn’t change the underlying problem  unless structures that keep people poor, sick or deny their access to health insurance are changed,” she said.

No matter what the Supreme Court decides, the legal debate will continue. If more Americans go broke or die because they do not have health insurance, more Americans may ask, what would Jesus do?

But don’t expect any easy answers from the Bible, said Raschke, the religious studies professor at the University of Denver.

“People are always looking for support from the Bible for American political positions,” Rashke said. “Would Jesus be against abortion, or would he support a woman’s right to choose? It’s almost become a standard joke in the theological world that you quote Jesus in American politics to support your political views.

“The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party."

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Christianity • Health care • Jesus • Politics

soundoff (5,234 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things. .

    April 3, 2012 at 6:26 am |
    • Primewonk

      Not for amputees.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • mandarax

      Nor for victims of shooting rampages.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • Jesus

      No it doesn't you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!

      April 3, 2012 at 10:51 am |
  2. Kebos

    He would have moved to Canada

    April 3, 2012 at 6:17 am |
    • Kebos

      .....and wouldn't have waited 2,000 years to do so.

      April 3, 2012 at 6:17 am |
  3. small 'c' christian

    Missing from this scintillating converse for the most part is the one salient fact which has brought the US system to it's knees... Greed. If there are any medicos on this board (and there may be, they've been here before), I would seriously appreciate your explaining how you square the endless sucking of dollars into your voluminous bank accounts with a little fellow from ancient Greece- Hippocrates. Any doctor, even one who is a highly-paid consultant to and insurance company, must affirm the tenets of the Hipocratic Oath. It is the basis of the entire healing community, yet it is cheerily ignored at all levels in lieu of profits, profit-sharing and even more profit.

    Any doctor, in any position, who puts dollars above patient welfare, violates his/her oath, for by either action or inaction, they are causing harm to their patients. Period. Doctors should be hanging their collective heads in shame. However, since many now seem to take their cues from the legal profession, many will simply wonder what I'm on about..... sad.

    April 3, 2012 at 1:46 am |
  4. Da King

    He would heal the sick if they had faith in Him.. And

    April 2, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • False Dichotomy

      No. Sorry. That is why we have hospitals, doctors, and pharmacies. Lots and lots of people have faith in Jesus, but when they don't rely on medicine they die just like anyone else.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • LILmexican

      Jesus was a communist.

      April 3, 2012 at 5:51 am |
    • RevLIT

      Faith isn't a "take all" package. Many people believe in Jesus to save them when they die. Some also believe He not only can, but will heal the sick. Our failure is not His limitation.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:29 am |
  5. Da King

    He would heal the sick if they had faith in Him..

    April 2, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  6. Tortfeasor

    Jesus woulda wanted the Pharisees out of his business.

    April 2, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
  7. Jeff Lucas

    the Individual Mandate is like the mark of the beast. You have to just bend over and take it like a man if you want to survive. But you have to sell your soul to the devil insurance companies in the process. So it's better to not take the mark and make heaven, than it is the bend over and buy he

    April 2, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  8. Rumschke

    The chances that Jesus looked the way he does in the "healing" picture above are like those of an ant surviving an Aardvark convention. Being Middle-Eastern, he was brownish with black curly hair – nothing to do with the Northern European look in the picture. A little bit of reality should be present in every myth.

    April 2, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • err

      I knowpeople of jewish decent who have brown hair and are very light skinned. Whats your point.

      April 3, 2012 at 1:57 am |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ..

    April 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Jesus

      More lies. No it doesn't. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!
      April 2, 2012 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |

      April 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
  10. Reality

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers with some of these savings being used to pay for universal health care ?????????????????????????????????????????:

    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror

    – One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    – Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity!!!

    – The Mormon empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and evangelical non-profits since there is no longer any claim to being a tax-exempt religion.

    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    – All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    Now all we need to do is convince these 3.5+ billion global and local citizens that they have been conned all these centuries Time for a YouTube,Twitter and FaceBook campaign!!!!

    April 2, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Do you even realize that no one reads your posts anymore?

      April 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Reality

      Oops, forgot to note "ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS". For all others, REITERATION is great learning tool.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:02 am |
  11. Jonathan

    Jesus a was not "provider of universal health care". Those that heard him, and believed him, were healed by their faith and by his command.

    April 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Mandolin Bee

      I'm not really following exactly what you mean by describing how Jesus healed people. Jesus isn't here to heal people now, so how would you speculate he might respond if you asked him if universal healthcare was a good idea or not?

      Are you trying to say that Jesus would tell all his followers to just stop going to greedy hospitals and get healed for free at their local church?

      April 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Jen

      Present your evidence that Jesus ever healed anything. There is no such evidence.

      And, if you have faith, stop seeing doctors and just pray when you get sick or in a car accident.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Snow

      Faith healing.. cute.. Next time your kid gets sick, try that, instead of going to a doctor.. But something tells me that you wouldn't try that..

      April 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Reality

      Curing the sick?? Hmmm, there is no medical doc-umentation of this because there was no diagnostic tools for said sicknesses or cures in first century Palestine. And many miracles, are single attestations and therefore fail rigorous historical testing.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
  12. c

    Jesus healed those who 'asked' for healing. You see we are born of free willl and have the free will to choose if we want to be healed or not. So from that perspective he would not support the healthcare mandate. However, He would do what we have done for years and years take care of those who are in need. I did not have healthcare for years, and I was never ever denied a visit in the emergency room. I felt badly that I didnt have healthcare and when I could afford it I bought it. Because I was so grateful for those days I am more generous to those who do not have. If the governement makes us do things I promise you charity will be a thing of the past.

    April 2, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      The government makes us pay taxes for social security, medicare, and medicaid. By your logic, why, then, does charity still exist?

      April 2, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • c

      Because it doesnt cover it all, and shouldnt

      April 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • ugh

      like I said. Just misinformed...

      April 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Mandolin Bee

      You think your uninsured trips to the ER didn't cost anyone except charity any money? That you weren't taking money from people without their permission?

      Oh, no, it's different because it's invisible! You don't think your unpaid visits got paid for by other customers whether they like it or not....?

      Pretend the hospital is like your mechanic. Let's tell all mechanics they are REQUIRED to get any vehicle into running condition, regardless of the customer's ability to pay as long as it's their ONLY vehicle.

      How do you suppose the mechanics will cope with the cost of the junkers and clunkers people are now dragging to mechanics shops? Costs money, parts, time to fix them.

      If you were a mechanic, what would you do?

      If you would raise prices, explain how the higher prices is NOT just a clever way to force customers that actually pay their bills to "cover" the cost of the repairs you are forced to do for free?

      If not, explain how you keep from going out of business.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " You see we are born of free willl and have the free will to choose if we want to be healed or not. "

      So why won't your god heal an amputee?

      April 2, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  13. karen

    The problem is the MEDiA, ie cnn

    April 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  14. ugh

    I don't understand how this is even being debated! I'm not even a believer and I can't imagine how Jesus would ever say 'no' to anyone who needs healthcare. It's amazing to see all the fanatics point fingers and say how the future will be so grim when it is clear they don't even bother to look at Americas abysmal statistics on health care. I don't think Americans are stupid, just misinformed..
    Someday I'm sure you'll catch up!

    April 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  15. Brother Maynard

    I posted this scenario in a different thread ... never got a repsonse from the 'believers'
    Say a beliver is diagnosed with a disease and he has 2 options
    1) Do nothing; let the disease progress and he will live for 6 months
    2) Start treatment today, it will last 2 months and there is a 98% chance that he will be totally cured.
    IF heaven is there - as belivers espouse – ... it IS better than the life we are living now. No pain, no hunger, no crying and the beliver will walk hand in hand with God/ Jesus/ Vishnu whomever.
    Why would the beliver choose option 1? He has 6 months to get his afairs in order, i.e. life insurance, will, finish up projects at work etc , and then really start doing some charitable work and praying to cement his place in heaven. Then he wil experience bliss the afterlilfe with his heavenly father.
    If he choose option 2 ... he'll have 2 months of treatment ... poking proding pills etc and he will still feel pain and suffering of this world ?
    Maybe believers stay in this world because they DON'T really believe ??!!??

    April 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Ni

      April 2, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • J.W

      This world is not all pain and suffering. Sometimes there are things in this world that are left to do. Like spend time with friends and family, travel, etc

      April 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @JW,

      But if heaven is clearly the better alternative, why stay here with the consolation prize?

      April 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • J.W

      Your friends and family would miss you.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      J.W. sez
      "Your friends and family would miss you."
      Of course they would. But they would know that you are in a better place. Happy and blissful. AND family and friends know that they will see you again in heaven. Additionally, you can come down at any time in spirit and visit your friends and family. The beliver in this scenario has NOTHING to lose.
      WHY do the beliver ever choose treatment ?

      April 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      hyper-extreme (or is it?) counter-point:

      Your in a forced-labor camp with your family. You have a chance to get out, but don't because your family would miss you ... don't you think your family would rather you be in a better place? Wouldn't they be happy for you?

      April 2, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Matthew 4:

      5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

      6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

      7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Wizard of Oz

      @Robert Brown – pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      Facepalm sez
      "Your in a forced-labor camp with your family. You have a chance to get out, but don't because your family would miss you ... don't you think your family would rather you be in a better place? Wouldn't they be happy for you?"
      Hmm ... Interesting analogy. Because as some point you WILL "get out". All of us do. My point is that it is a matter of time. Do you get out now? or do you get out later. Additionally, let's flip it around. Let say your son or daughter has "a chance to get out" do you allow it? To back track to my original question, that would mean you would refuse treatment for your son / daughter so they could have everlasting bliss with god. Do you refuse treatment ?

      April 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      Just thought of something else. The forced labor camp example is invalid. Because you know there is a place outside of the forced labor camp AND you came from that place. You have an experience of PRE-force labor camp. I don't know anyone that has had an experience of PRE-heaven.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Oh holy Brother Maynard – your point about 'knowing' a pre-concentration camp reality only speaks to the lack of faith on the believers part. If the faith is strong, there should be no difference between the truth gained from physical experience and the truth gained from faith, no?

      April 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      My point is that because you have a pre concentration-camp experience means that faith is not necessary. You empirically know that there is a world outside of the concentration-camp. You have emprirically experienced it. No FAITH needed. That cannot be said about heaven. You have no empirical experience of heaven before you came to this 2012 reality. Your knowledge of heaven is purely based on FAITH.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
  16. Mandolin Bee

    Belief in God means you believe that human rights are given by God alone to man.
    In addition to rights, however, God gave man responsibilities as well.
    In the Old Testament, exactly how to take care of the poor was explicitly detailed: leave food in fields at harvest, marry a childless widow so she could have an heir, men in debt could work as slaves (but be treated well!), and so forth.
    In the New Testament, Jesus gives a plethora of lessons that demonstrate man's responsibility to help the poor at God's behest.

    A government derives its power from the governed - "the people who have created their government can give to that government only such powers as they, themselves, have in the first place. (Ezra Taft Benson, 1968). The people must also enable the government to act - to DO things. Doing things takes money, unfortunately. So, if you want the government to DO THINGS, someone has to grease the wheel. I presume it is the responsibility of the people who created the government in the first place.

    Once that money, however it comes into being, is in possession of the Government, it should be used as an individual might use it, only on a really big scale. An individual might buy a gun to protect his home; the government will buy an army. An individual might make deals with his neighbors to get things he wants; the government will negotiate foreign trade. An individual might make a donation to charity; the government may create a charity. An individual might help with the medical bills of a homeless little girl because it's "the right thing to do"; the government might help a number of people with medical bills because it's "the right thing to do".

    I think Jesus would support health care reform. I cannot fathom for the life of me how anyone who calls themselves Christian, and who wants a Christian-run government, can argue against clothing/feeding/healing the needy. It's our responsibility. Of the very few things that are spelled out quite clearly in the Bible, this happens to be one of them. "Whatever you did not do for the least of these, you did not do for me."

    April 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "Belief in God means you believe that human rights are given by God alone to man."

      Then why is your god such a putz about giving these human rights? In our country, why did god give rights to white male land-owners to start with? Why did black folks not have the same human rights from your god to start with? Why didn't women have the same rights as men?

      You also wrote, " men in debt could work as slaves (but be treated well!)" Except that you could beat your slaves as you wished, as long as they didn't die right away. You could also sell your daughter as a slave. And unlike male slaves, she didn't get to be set free in the 7th year.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "In the Old Testament, exactly how to take care of the poor was explicitly detailed"

      You left out -don't beat your slave so hard that they die the same day. If they die from their wounds a day later, though, you're all good. Also, sex slaves are cool. Oh, and if your children talk back, stone them!

      April 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Identured servitude, where a slave was well treated and freed after 7 years, was only for fellow Hebrews.
      Heathens were chattel and treated as such.
      "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."
      (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

      April 2, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Mandolin Bee

      I can't help but think the first two replies to my post didn't finish reading it before they popped off on their anti-religion tirades.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Mandolin Bee

      @Primewonk
      @*facepalm*

      Do I have your attention? Good. You will find that I am not a "typical" Christian, and would appreciate if you reserve your battery acid until you have understood someone's argument.

      "My God" as you so derisively put it, gave laws in the OT that were appropriate at the time, and socially necessary for pastoral hierarchy. It doesn't matter how barbaric it seems to us today.

      So why did I bring it up? To serve as a reminder TO CHRISTIANS that God cared for the poor BEFORE Christ existed. As you'll notice, I immediately follow it with a reminder that Christ -continued- that Divine trend during his lifetime, and didn't give any indication that being nice to poor people was supposed to stop after he died.

      Therefore, both of your criticisms, Primewonk and *facepalm*, have zippo/zilch/nada to do with what I actually wrote in the remainder of my response to the question, "Would Jesus support healthcare reform?" I think you didn't even bother to finish. You leaped straight to page 10 of your "God Sucks" transcript, found the section labelled "She talked about the old jewish laws" and followed up with "SLAVERY AND BEATING PEOPLE! Take that!" Good job, boys. You sure showed me the error of my ways. Now do you think you could argue on POINT?

      The question is whether Jesus would support healthcare reform. I started out giving reasons why I think he would support it. What say you?

      April 2, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
  17. AtheismIsCrap

    God Is Great!

    April 2, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Gods are kinda like Pokemon – Gotta Catch 'Em All!

      Angus, Belenos, Brigid, dana, Lugh, Dagda, Epona, Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Atehna, Demeter, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Gaia, Hades, Hekate, Helios, Hephaestus, Hera, hermes, Hestia, Pan, Poseidon, Selene, Uranus, Zeus, Mathilde, Elves, Eostre, Frigg, Hretha, Saxnot, Shef, Thuno, Tir, Weyland, Woden, Alfar, Balder, Beyla, Bil, Bragi, Byggvir, Dagr, Disir, Eir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hoenir, Idunn, Jord, Lofn, Loki, Mon, Njord, Norns, Nott, Odin, Ran, saga, Sif, Siofn, Skadi, Snotra, Sol, Syn, Ull, Thor, Tyr, Var, Vali, Vidar, Vor, Black Shuck, Herne, Jack in the Green, Holda, Nehalennia, Nerthus, endovelicus, Ataegina, Runesocesius, Apollo, Bacchus, Ceres, Cupid, Diana, Janus, Juno, Jupiter, Maia, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Neptune, Pluto, Plutus, Proserpina, Venus, Vesta, Vulcan, Attis, Cybele, El-Gabal, Isis, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Endovelicus, Anubis, Aten, Atum, Bast, Bes, Geb, Hapi, Hathor, Heget, Horus, Imhotep, Isis, Khepry, Khnum, Maahes, Ma’at, Menhit, Mont, Naunet, Neith, Nephthys, Nut, Osiris, Ptah, ra, Sekhmnet, Sobek, Set, Tefnut, Thoth, An, Anshar, Anu, Apsu, Ashur, Damkina, Ea, Enki, Enlil, Ereshkigal, Nunurta, Hadad, Inanna, Ishtar, Kingu, Kishar, Marduk, Mummu, Nabu, Nammu, Nanna, Nergal, Ninhursag, Ninlil, Nintu, Shamash, Sin, Tiamat, Utu, Mitra, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Inari, Tengu, Izanami, Izanagi, Daikoku, Ebisu, Benzaiten, Bishamonten, Fu.kurokuju, Jurojin, Hotei, Quetzalcoatl, Tlaloc, Inti, Kon, Mama Cocha, Mama Quilla, Manco Capac, Pachacamac, Viracoc.ha, Zaramama....

      April 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • captain america

      That has already been covered , we do not need a butt in canadian telling US anything,go screw yourself There's your sign

      April 2, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      oh look Cappy is back from its stay at the asylum! Hey Cappy, jealous that Canada has gun control laws; or universal health care or is it jealousy over our secularism and the fact that we really just don't give a damn what you think? You should see our paper money...they have photo's of scientists at work and have no words of god on them!! Btw: unlike you we Canadian's know what the letters 'www' stand for and thus we remain here.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Prayer for the country

      God keep our land glorious ... prayer that is the Canadian national anthem. All Canadians acknowledge and honor God on a regular basis, no matter what else they would have us believe.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      I'm not sure what you think you accomplish by spewing that line from the Canadian anthem. It does not change the fact that we are secular. All spewing it does is prove how uneducated and brain dead you really are!

      April 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Prayer for the country

      Stand up for the Canadian national anthem God keep our land glorious... Amen

      April 2, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • karen

      Funny that so many Canadians are running across the border to get their medical care in the US....I guess it is all not roses and butterflie;)

      April 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Jesus

      "All Canadians acknowledge and honor God on a regular basis, no matter what else they would have us believe"

      Lying is a sin so we all know you'll be going to hell.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @ Karen
      How many? Do you see the borders plugged up? How many Americans have already moved over, and still way to do so, because they knwo that in this country if they can't afford insurance they are left to cruel elements of the corrupt system wee have. Don't sugarcoat it, dear, the reality is much too ugly and for many much too painful!

      April 2, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Duh

      "How many? Do you see the borders plugged up? How many Americans have already moved over, and still way to do so, because they knwo that in this country if they can't afford insurance they are left to cruel elements of the corrupt system wee have. Don't sugarcoat it, dear, the reality is much too ugly and for many much too painful!"

      Dude seriously learn to spell if you're going to steal another person's handle.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Hey, dude, I type fast.... in hurry here! What ticks you off is not my misspelling, but things I said here. Usually those with sense of inferiority seem to get hung up on few typos!
      That's been my observation!

      April 2, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • karen

      It should not be sugarcoated...universal health care, that is.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      When the American feudal lords of big Med/Pharma/Ins. Mafia get their full reign, more than sugar will be needed to swallow what they're dishing to the weary, overburdened, exasperated people! You apparently don't' see the evil of it all. Usually the blind sheep doesn't! They just follow and bleat happily!

      April 2, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • karen

      As a physician, I do see the inadequacies of our healthcare system, and I do believe that we need to do better and ensure that healthcare is provided. However, I find it mindnumbing when people blindly extol the greatness of UHC without looking at the challenges both here in the US and abroad, namely, how to pay for it. Sorry, but it is not just wonderful abroad. Passing a bill that is greater than 1000 pages in a rushed manner is not intelligent and does not guarantee that we are providing for.the health of the country. It is moronic and irresponsible.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      As a person who has lived abroad, I understand that UHC is not perfect by all means. But what we have is far worse. Our system is ridden with greed, and it should have never been allowed to become that way. People are literally dying for the lack of health care, because they can't aford to pay obscene price of sevices, without insurance, or premiums that are insanely priced.
      And those who have insurance are still being leached, by being penalized for using it.
      One trip to the hospital with a broken wrist was charged 31.000.00. My family had to come up with over 3.000.00 out of pocket, even though our monthly premium is over1200.00 monthly, partly payed by employer, and partly by us. (without employer pitching in, we would have none) That doesn't include dental insurance, even though our teeth are parts of our bodies, yet in greed to leach more, one must buy it seperately !
      This is an every day story for millions of ordinary people, who suffer mostly in silence, being helpless, knowing they are against a cruel system which has such deep roots in this country, having become so powerful, that it's to no avail for ordinary person to fight it!
      I don't' care who you are, you can be a doctor, a noble statesman/woman, king or a queen, or the most powerful person on earth! What is unjust can not be made right, unless drastic changes are made! Whatt this country has allowed to be done to its people is nothing short of criminal.
      Its a dark spot on its conscience, and shameful example of how low we have fallen.
      All the civilized world is watching in amazement, and the cries of those who are being merchandised for the profits of those who hold the power in their disposal , are reaching to the heavens.
      This country has been blessed, therefore it has greater responsibility with what it has allowed to hatch in midst of it. And this monster has become its CURSE!
      IF you and others think these words are extreme, look up what God had to say to His people Israel when they did the same, allowing the powerful to oppress the helpless! And look up what the outcome was!
      God doesn't sugarcoat it, nor should we!

      April 2, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
  18. Nonimus

    Sorry to be somewhat sarcastic, but isn't the question really,

    What *is* Jesus doing?

    To which one can only answer, "apparently, nothing".

    April 2, 2012 at 11:05 am |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer changes lives.

    April 2, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Jesus

      Still spreading your lies. No it doesn't. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!

      April 2, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • just sayin

      Prayer changes things
      Yes it do

      April 2, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Ladervijd

      a) the op in this chain here didn't mention "healing".
      b) things in particular in U.S. and in EU are a bit different.
      c) if i were sick with something i wouldn't know the origin thereof (ergo, e.g. i couldn't sue anyone for reimbursement of health care costs and eventually also for pay for sick days) and i wouldn't have health insurance (where health facilities and workers are available) and barely any or no money, what else would there left for me to do than relying on "online advice", a "witch doctor", and/or praying?
      also, regarding prayer
      d) even if prayer re illness would be dumbed down to being merely "placebo effect", there is scientific proof of placebo effect limitly working, is there not? And what about so-called "pain killers"? Not saying that it is the same for males and females, neither that it always and in every situation is "working", tho on the other hand, there is scientific proof of mental state having influence on (perception of) received and afterwards pain, is there not? And is there no such thing as "overcoming"? Particularly e.g. in a situation where an individual on its own gets a bleeding wound, doesn't it make sense to overcome the pain to stop the bleeding (using a piece of cloth) and to seek help?
      e) in which context/s are "prayer" and "healing" actually in the Bible, if at all? At least one passage is about "belief" and "blindness", is it not? So or so, yes, not-only-external healing by faith itself of physical things (e.g., bullet in the head, tumor, spear in stomach, viri) seems, respectivly technically is, impossible, but i am pretty sure that about any patient appreciates when a surgeon is focusing at the tasks at hand particularly during operation regardless of statistics. And describing and/or modeling objects and scenes to blind born may be difficult where "mainly visual based communications" (e.g. "look at this picture") are common. Tho likely true, that a kind of sonar could be more effective in translating surroundings into imagination than a technical and/or poetic description thereof.
      f) if we would categorize act of prayer as including meditation (still prayer), and including singing, dancing and/or playing an instrument, then would you call her a liar?
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSiXjkEUToE&w=640&h=360]
      g) E.g. a binge-drinker vomitting can be a form of spring cleaning too, that is the body cleaning itself from what was put in it. in a way, the eventual "good feel" afterwards such needs to be overcome as well as to help prevent addiction, similarly to other endorfin or such splashes, albeit "feeling good or better" after running a mile is surely different to "feeling good" after input of technically poison.
      h) As reaction, calming down and then action is surely a better approach than action and then calming down, and i wouldn't call a pile of flesh, and/or any (physical) injury, at any stage a/any/the solution.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  20. pastmorm

    Jesus who?

    April 2, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • c

      If you dont believe why are you on Belief blog? Trouble maker

      April 2, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Duh

      "If you dont believe why are you on Belief blog? Trouble maker"

      No, to open your eyes to your cult.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • c

      Duh, a cult is something you can't leave, a Christian is not held hostage to his/her beliefs, they may choose to leave or stay

      April 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @c

      First off, a cult is not defined by the inability to leave the organization.
      Second, there is no rule that says non-believers cannot be on these blogs.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @c,
      "The strongest prison is the one built by the prisoner in their own mind." ~no clue who said this.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Da King

      Jesus the Christ, the anointed one. Jesus of Nazareth. Your lord and savior. The son of God. The one Who's peace you seek.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      There is a place, an empty void, in every human heart which nothing in this world can fill., which was put there by our Creator, who reserved it for Himself that only HE may fill it.
      Man is acutely aware of this void, and from the beginning of time has attempted to satisfy this longing, but because of wayward human nature that causes man to run from God, he has always turned to beggarly elements to fill it. This has become the cause of all human misery, and much suffering that one man has put on another through out of our bloody history. No need to present the proof, we've got it in front of our eyes daily!
      No, there is no peace to those who refuse to give to their Creator His rightful place in their hearts and lives. And there never will be! ! ! Because man apart and without His Maker is a miserable, lost, fallen creature left to his own devices, that will ultimately destroy him. That too we are witnessing in front of our very eyes.
      But blessed d are those who have allowed the Lord into their hearts and lives.
      No, this is not a message of doom, but of hope and future for those who humble their hearts before Him, acknowledging their need of Him. To them He gives the promise saying Eyes have not seen, ears hav not heard, neither has entered into the hearts of men the things that God has prepared for those who love Him "
      Maranatha, our blessed Prince of Peace!

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