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Jesus depicted healing a sick child.
June 28th, 2012
08:45 AM ET

Would Jesus support health care reform?

Editor’s note: This piece ran earlier this year, but we’re spotlighting it now because of Thursday’s health care decision from the Supreme Court. The story generated more than 3,000 comments, including these two:

David Nelson
It is sad that Jesus has been demoted to being a politician. Jesus plainly said "My Kingdom is not of this world." Movements to use Him to promote their agendas, whether they be on the Left or Right, are extremely suspect in the eyes of this Christian.

kateslate
Jesus would SO have been a democrat. He taught us to care for the sick...not to profit off illness. I don't know how Republicans can live with themselves and call themselves Christian.

What’s your take?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - He was a healer, a provider of universal health care, a man of compassion who treated those with preexisting medical conditions.

We don’t know what Jesus thought about the individual mandate or buying broccoli. But we do know how the New Testament describes him. The Gospels are filled with stories of Jesus physically healing the most vulnerable and despised people in his society.

References to Jesus, of course, didn’t make into the recent U.S. Supreme Court’s hearings on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yet there is a moral dimension to this epic legal debate:

How should the nation help its “least of these,” an estimated 50 million Americans who can’t afford health insurance, as well as those who could go broke or die because they can’t afford medical care?

Christians are as divided about this question as others. Many cite Jesus, but come up with completely different conclusions.

Trust God or government?

Tom Prichard, a Lutheran and president of the Minnesota Family Council, said it’s ultimately about faith.  Who do we trust – God or government?

He opposes “Obamacare” because he has more faith in the market and people, than government.

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“Here Jesus’ words come to mind about not worrying and trusting God to meet our basic needs,” Prichard wrote in an online post warning about the dangers of “government run health care.” “Or if we believe it all depends on us, we’ll look to government.”

When reached at his Minnesota office,Prichard elaborated: He said the nation should empower families and individuals to make health-care decisions. If families can’t afford health insurance, private and public entities like churches and nonprofits should step in, he said.

“We all have the same goal,”Prichard said. “We want all people to have health care, even people who can’t afford it. I would argue that having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse.”

Carl Raschke, a religious studies professor at the University of Denver, evoked Jesus’ words about Rome and taxation.

Raschke cited the New Testament passage when Jesus, after being asked if Jews should pay taxes to Rome, said that people should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Jesus was against strictly political or economic solutions because he thought they were too easy when it comes to the real challenges of human life, Raschke said.

“Writing checks won’t solve social problems,” Raschke said. “One has to get involved. If we see someone in need, we just don’t throw a dollar at him or her. You get to know them, you offer yourself, and ask what you can do for them.”

Helping the Good Samaritans of our day

There are some Christians, though, who say that charity isn’t enough to solve the nation’s health care problems.

An estimated 32 million Americans could lose health insurance if “Obamacare” is struck down, including children who can stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 26 and seniors who get help paying for their drug prescriptions. Most observers say health care costs would continue to rise.

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Some people believe the health care situation in America would be scandalous to Jesus because he was a prophet concerned about social justice.

Steven Kraftchick, a religious scholar, said Jesus comes out of the tradition of Jewish prophets who preached that the health of a society could be measured by how well they took care of “its widows and orphans,” those who had the least power.

Kraftchick said there’s a famous story in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus heals such a person. He was the man who called himself Legion. He might have been called homeless and mentally ill. The man roamed a graveyard, so tormented that even chains could not hold him and everyone feared him, Mark wrote.

Jesus healed the man not only physically, but socially as well, according to Mark. The man returned to his community with a sense of dignity, said Kraftchick, a professor at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology in Atlanta.

“A move toward universal health care would be fitting with the prophetic traditions,” Kraftchick said. “When you read the New Testament and look at the signs of the in-breaking of the Kingdom of God, it’s always connected to being physically healed.”

Yet Marcia Pally, an authority on evangelicals, said many evangelicals are wary of government doing the healing.  Their reasons go back centuries.

Many are the descendants of people who fled Europe because of religious persecution from countries and state churches. They fought a revolution against a government in England.  And they settled a frontier, where the virtue of self-reliance was critical, said Pally, author of “The New Evangelicals: Expanding the Vision of the Common Good.”

Suspicion of government is part of their historical and religious experience, said Pally, a professor at Fordham University and New York University.

Those attitudes, though, may be changing. Pally said she spent six years traveling across America to interview evangelicals. She discovered that a new generation of evangelists now believes that certain issues are too big and complex to be addressed by charity alone.

“Some note that charity is very good at the moment of emergency relief but it doesn’t change the underlying problem  unless structures that keep people poor, sick or deny their access to health insurance are changed,” she said.

No matter what the Supreme Court decides, the legal debate will continue. If more Americans go broke or die because they do not have health insurance, more Americans may ask, what would Jesus do?

But don’t expect any easy answers from the Bible, said Raschke, the religious studies professor at the University of Denver.

“People are always looking for support from the Bible for American political positions,” Rashke said. “Would Jesus be against abortion, or would he support a woman’s right to choose? It’s almost become a standard joke in the theological world that you quote Jesus in American politics to support your political views.

“The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party."

- CNN Writer

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soundoff (5,234 Responses)
  1. john the guy not the baptist

    No such thing
    A rational starement is just a bridge too far for you I guess.
    Hey A
    Have you prayed that I would just go away yet? If so, prayer changes things is a false premise, PROVEN. If you can't find an atheist to hug, try a Moslem or Jew, it still goes along with the teachings of jesus, love thy neighbour, and all. Isn't it reported that he even forgave the guys that slaughtered him? Too bad todays christians can't get around to forgiving anyone that does not agree with their dogma. Peace and love to you and yours.

    June 29, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • truth be told

      kind of hard for you to reply on the correct thread isn't it?

      June 29, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • john the guy not the baptist

      Forgive me for I have sinned by not hitting the right button. Can you suggest the required penance, mia culpa?

      June 29, 2012 at 8:02 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things;

    June 29, 2012 at 6:05 am |
    • john the guy not the baptist

      Hey A
      Try praying for those of us that post, that at best you are a fool and at worst you are insane, to just go away. No really, give it a try and if it works, I will accept your PROVEN assertion. Hug an athiest, it goes along with the love thy neighbour idea, get it?

      June 29, 2012 at 6:24 am |
    • no such thing

      as an atheist.There are atheist wanna bees and competent liars but the true atheist cannot exist. It would be impossible therefore to hug one.

      June 29, 2012 at 6:35 am |
    • The Bird Is The Word

      @no such thing: Your comment is so senseless that you HAVE to be a troll. Try at least to make a little sense next time.

      June 29, 2012 at 7:06 am |
    • truth be told

      there is no such thing as an atheist, atheism is all a lie. Try thinking for yourself instead of lying to yourself or letting some moron like dawkins do your thinking for you and you will know.

      June 29, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • john the guy not the baptist

      truth be told
      Atheism is a lie, because somewhere in your faify tale book it says so, is that thinking for yourself? Lets take it one step further, are the following also lie based, Agnostics, Islam, Judism, Hinduism, Pastafairianism, Buhdism, Shintoism, etc.? Please explain, hugging yourself doesn't count even if that is all you can tolerate.

      June 29, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • Your Attention Please!

      "truth be told" is the same as the original poster (prayer troll), who trolls by many other names such as HeavenSent and Evangelical.

      The majority of Chistian posts lately have been the work of a small group of trolls playing the name-shift game.

      You are warned. No point in responding to them at all.

      June 29, 2012 at 8:24 am |
  3. howart Dao

    Providing free health care to everyone is very offending and deemed dangerous by the authority. That is why they cruxified a healer 2000 years ago to set an example 🙂

    June 29, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      What a moronic statement! Look at other countries who have universal health care and how beneficial it has been before spewing stupidity.

      June 29, 2012 at 5:54 am |
    • no one gives a sh it

      what some ass hole Canadian thinks

      June 29, 2012 at 6:06 am |
    • Mirosal

      No one cares what a bigoted, narrow-minded isiot like you (who gives) attempts to think. You get lost in thought because it's unfamiliar territory. Look at the quality of life in the country north of the U.S. Look at the quality of life in the Scandinavian countries. Those countries are always ranked near the top in the world for quality of life, life expectancy, and happiness of life. Do a little research before you spout off. Have yor mommy help you to sound out the words longer than 2 syllables.

      June 29, 2012 at 6:16 am |
    • great intellect my ass

      Mirosal?
      mensa my ass

      June 29, 2012 at 6:37 am |
    • Mirosal

      Then refute what I said. C'mon, it shouldn't be hard for a wanna-be know-it-all such as yourself, right?

      June 29, 2012 at 6:55 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      no one gives a sh it: that's so nice...just as no-one, not even the people in your own country, care what you have to say! republitards like you are the downfall of the USA...you could learn a thing or two from great countries like mine who have figured it out long ago and are not fighting over frivolous crap. Once again moron, this is an international news site and no matter how much bigotry, stupidity and hate you spew we will remain here just to p!ss you off. Have a wonderful day ass!

      June 29, 2012 at 7:01 am |
  4. Chad

    Interesting stuff, as always I'm indebted to an atheist for prompting the reading..

    The idea that "naturalism" undercuts its own justification was put forward by C. S. Lewis in the first edition of his book Miracles in 1947.[2] Similar arguments were advanced by Richard Taylor in Metaphysics,[3] Stephen Clark,[2] Arthur Balfour,[4][5] Richard Purtill[4][6] and J. P. Moreland.[4][7] In 2003 Victor Reppert developed a similar argument in detail in his book C.S. Lewis's Dangerous Idea, In Defense of the Argument from Reason.[4] Contemporary philosophers who have employed a similar argument against physical determinism are James Jordan and William Hasker.[4]

    Plantinga's argument attempted to show that to combine naturalism and evolution is self-defeating, because, under these assumptions, the probability that humans have reliable cognitive faculties is low or inscrutable.[11] He claimed that several thinkers, including C. S. Lewis, had seen that evolutionary naturalism seemed to lead to a deep and pervasive skepticism and to the conclusion that our unreliable cognitive or belief-producing faculties cannot be trusted to produce more true beliefs than false beliefs. He claimed that "Darwin himself had worries along these lines" and quoted from an 1881 letter:[12][13]

    But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind? — Charles Darwin, to William Graham 3 July 1881[14]

    In the letter, Darwin had expressed agreement with William Graham's claim that natural laws implied purpose and the belief that the universe was "not the result of chance", but again showed his doubts about such beliefs and left the matter as insoluble.[15] Darwin only had this doubt about questions beyond the scope of science, and thought science was well within the scope of an evolved mind.[16]

    June 28, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

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      June 28, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • hippypoet

      can't write your own stuff chad?

      June 28, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The sh!twit doesn't have any 'stuff'.

      June 28, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Sue

      Chad, it doesn't matter how much you dodge and twist and turn and try to change the subject and insert irrelevant material to avoid the following fact. I'm going to drag your sorry stupid ignorant ass back to it, you conniving yet pathetically ignorant asshole:

      Regardless of whether or not there is a supreme being or creator, we know for absolute certain that the deity described in the bible and believed to be god by Christian fools does not and cannot exist. This is the case because the characteristics claimed for it are internally contradictory and logically inconsistent.

      June 28, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • hippypoet

      sue – they , those who believe beyond the rational, will just rationalize what you said to be that god acts as god wishes and being inconstant and whatever is just his mood at the time – furthering the humanizing of the jeudo-christian god and making it into a paralell of the greko-roman gods of the pervious time period. i find this to be ironic, you?

      June 28, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Does anyone with a brain take Chad seriously? Why?

      June 29, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • hippypoet

      those who do normally end up at the bottom of a well hoping for their wishes to come true...again this i find to be ironic!

      its weird that i am i seeing irony in all things these days...may someday i will see this as irony...and then i will laugh at the misfortune of others to be born into a home that pushes a clearly false truth as the only truth...not today thou (if only a term at least still another irony) thank god. lol

      🙂
      The hippypoet 🙂
      🙂

      June 29, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • Chad

      Sue "Regardless of whether or not there is a supreme being or creator, we know for absolute certain that the deity described in the bible and believed to be god by Christian fools does not and cannot exist. This is the case because the characteristics claimed for it are internally contradictory and logically inconsistent."

      =>that would be interesting to hear, what precisely are those characteristics that are internally contradictory and logically inconsistent?

      June 29, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • hippypoet

      a better question is why one believes in a being based on paper thin hearsay from 2000 years ago?
      serisouly, that is a much better question!

      June 29, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      All just, all mercifull

      June 29, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • hippypoet

      so the act of destruction of two full cities and at one point the entire world thru water is just and merciful to you?
      in todays world the act of the few doesn't justifie the punishment of the many unless the many deserve it...yet "god" seems to think it does...interesting.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Hippypoet,

      I was answering chads question referring to why his god is by definition contradictory...

      June 29, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • hippypoet

      i am out of it tonight.
      apologizes.
      in which case, i agree with you.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      No issue, I feel the same way when that is asserted.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      @ Tom Tom,

      Your comment is good in general, but did you really need to make one word that long. The point was made long before the end.

      June 29, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Johnny Blammo

      @Chad – I ahve already explained a couple to you, so I will just barely touch on it. I won't waste time on detail because you are such a sleazeball that you turn around an post the same lie over and over, no matter how often it gets thoroughly rebutted.

      Free will cannot exist because God already knows everything that will happen. If he knows, then he can't change it, which means that he is trapped in a completely pointless existence of billions of years doing what he knows he must do, seeing what he already knows he will see. God becomes a totally powerless prisoner in his own creation the instant he sets it in motion, and there is utterly no reason to, because he already knows everything that will happen anyway.

      So by being all-knowing and all-powerful, God is powerless, and his existence is pointless. Pure paradox.

      There is also the Problem of Evil, a real killer for all of the Abrahamic Gods.

      June 29, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Sue

      Chad, read above. Your question is already answered. It is proven therein that Christian god does not exist. Get over your silly god delusion already and get a life. Seriously.

      June 29, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Chad

      So I think I get three claimed contradictions from your post:
      1) God can't be omniscient and omnipotent
      2) Free will cant exist
      3) the Problem of Evil.

      #1 in this post, #2 and #3 in a follow on post:

      God can't be omniscient and omnipotent
      Claim: : A god that is omniscient would know his own future and would therefore be bound by it. If he knows what will happen, he can't change it. If on the other hand, this god has the power to do as he pleases, he won't be able to know exactly what will happen. Omniscience and omnipotence are therefore mutually exclusive. Any god that is claimed to have those traits, doesn't exist

      Refutation: : The crux of this argument is that if God knows the future He can’t change it, therefore He is not all powerful. The big error this position makes is in assuming that God lives solely within our time and space. The argument only works if God is trapped in our time/space and time is a linear progression for God the same way it is for us..
      If, on the other hand, God exists outside our time and space(and isn’t “trapped in a completely pointless existence of billions of years doing what he knows he must” as @Johnny claims) there is no linear progression of time (past/present/future) which He must live in. He can know our future (having already seen it), but is not bound by the same linear progression of time that we are (living as we do in our universe). This means that God is all knowing, and all powerful.

      Secondarily, God is able to be be 'all-knowing' and 'all-powerful' realizing that the terms can also mean that God knows all that can be known and God can do all that can be done. Omnipotence doesnt mean the ability to do things that are logically impossible (God cant for example do evil).

      Conclusion: As demonstrated, omniscience and omnipotent are clearly not mutually exclusive traits. God isn’t as @Johnny claims: “a totally powerless prisoner in his own creation the instant he sets it in motion” because He doesn’t have to exist in our time/space, He can enter it, but isn’t bound by an existence within it.

      June 29, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Chad

      2) The Problem of Evil.

      Claim: If God is pure good, why is His creation so bad; it’s impossible for a being that is perfect to have created anything imperfect.

      Refutation : The original creation was perfect, imperfection entered the creation as a result of the exercise of mans free will – disobedience.

      Conclusion: The argument only works if free will is disallowed as part of a perfect creation. Free will includes the ability to choose evil and MUST be a part of a perfect creation; otherwise the creation would be merely robots, restricted in their actions such that they are in line with the perfect will of the creator.

      A perfect creation can become imperfect through the exercise of free will.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Chad

      3) Free will can’t exist
      Claim: Since God knows our future we don’t have the ability to change it, therefore we don’t have free will.

      Refutation: God exists outside our time and space; He existed before this universe was created and will exist after it ceases. He alone is able to step into and out of our time/space. This ability allows him to “time machine into the future” (a bad analogy, but it works for this illustration) and know what the result of the exercise of our free will, will bring.

      Conclusion: This is not an argument against the existence of God per se, but against the existence of a human’s free will. The argument only works if God is bound by the same linear progression of time that we are, as He isn’t and can know the end result of the exercise of our free will, the argument fails: humans have free will.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Really-O?

      Watch Chad flail! That alone if worth the price of admission. I wonder if it's frightening to witness your cherished beliefs disintegrate like the flower head of dandelion in a stiff breeze. The end is near Chad – allow enlightenment to happen – it's wonderful.

      June 29, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Really-O?

      "flower head of dandelion" = "flower head of a dandelion"

      June 29, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  5. shwmin

    TOMMY....I think your momma is calling.....Time for your nap.....

    June 28, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I think your first grade teacher is calling, dear. Time to learn how to read!

      June 28, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
  6. shep

    if Jesus came back today, the first thing he would do is slap Mitt Romney for calling himself a Christian. Cuz that's a lie.

    June 28, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
  7. hippypoet

    food for thought.

    who cares...he is dead, and has been for some time. why the discussion? Does anyone ever ask what would napoleon say or agree with? does anyone ask about really anyone that made more of a difference then jesus the same questions they ask of him? in my opinion, jesus's affect was little if any...explaination – the belief for that god was already in existence for 700 years before he was around and he didn't invent a new idea for his belief system either...there were many so called messiahs at that time in history – in fact allthroughout history there have been messiah after messiah yet still the same mess! Little known fact (if you believe of course) the J man already rose and left...you that believe and are still here are wasting your time. You can find this to be true in your bibles. I believe it was on the third day after his death, a sunday if i'm not mistaken. According to the apocryphal gospel of nicodemus, he (jesus) went to the place where people went when they died and freed all who was worthy then brought them to the place of his "father" thereby creating by default a place where the worthy go, "heaven" , and where the not so worthy go, the other place , "hell"...the original underword which if you study the MYTHS of the time you come to an uncanny conclusion. All belief systems of this time period have a place where people go but not a good or bad place, just a place...some have a place where REALLY bad go but most just have the underworld type set-up as the afterlife myth. The early folks built their MYTH onto this – they rather piggy-backed it if you will. It is a form of appealing to the m@sses while telling them a different story and creating a new foundation for something else – in this case heaven and hell. For those who value truth over myths check out zoroastrianism for the first true good vs bad combo as equals in the struggle for control over the world. Everything else before was both good and bad all in one and then many of them – a pantheon of powers to go along with a pantheon of mythical creations of creation.

    food for thought.

    June 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • hippypoet

      sry, i forgot to say that jesus went to the underworld during this three day siesta.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
  8. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (References used are available upon request.)

    And we should therefore be concerned what a simple preacher man from the first century CE would say about Obamacare?

    Give us a break!!!

    June 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
  9. debra martinez

    John 17:36 Jesus answered; 'My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendents would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews.

    See here : Jesus has no part on man ways and mess ups..

    John 17:16

    June 28, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Then he has no relevance to anything.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • JLS1950

      As my bible teachers used to say, if you take a bible text out of context, you make a pretext – and FALSE DOCTRINE!

      Jesus Himself also made THESE statements:

      And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
      He [Jesus] said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
      And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
      And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
      But he [the lawyer] willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
      And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
      Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
      And he said, He that shewed mercy on him.
      Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

      ...and again:

      Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
      Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
      Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

      Jesus made it very abundantly clear who is responsible to care for the sick and the injured: *WE* are responsible to do this! And the cost – should we shirk our duty to our fellow man – is absolutely staggering!

      June 28, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      tl. dr.

      June 28, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • hippypoet

      so jesus said that my attendents would have fought ....fought for him....thats not so good of a quality one should be inspiring in their followers if one truly is the messiah – should they inspire peace as much as they preach it?

      truly a lovely quote you chose. next time put some more thought into who you chose to follow as a model for life – he did afterall die at the ripe old age of 30!

      June 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  10. AV

    How can giving insurance to the ones who needs can be ending human life? Human are social beings and we should care for everyone around even if it cost little money from our lot.

    June 28, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
  11. debra martinez

    No .. He has nothing to do with man laws...

    June 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • debra martinez

      John 17:36 Jesus answered; 'My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendents would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews.

      See here : Jesus has no part on man ways and mess ups..

      June 28, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Then why should any of us bother with him? If he's too busy elsewhere, who needs him? If he doesn't care about the issues that affect those who worship him, why should they continue to do so?

      June 28, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Bob

      Tom Tom, yep, yet again we see talk of this "personal, loving god" that actually isn't involved and doesn't give a rat's cr@p about us (and of course, doesn't exist).

      June 28, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
  12. The Bird Is The Word

    Look at all the people taking this seriously! I can't stand it! I going to Mars...

    June 28, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • shwmin

      bye

      June 28, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
  13. The Bird Is The Word

    What a stupid, stupid question. And to think that there are people who take this kind of question seriously. You know, I think it would be fun to work for CNN and dream up these headlines. Can you imagine having that much fun and be paid for it? Would be a real hoot.

    June 28, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Talk about fun. Imagine the whoppers you could dream up, publish, and get a following of the credulous by getting paid to work at FOX NEWS.

      But that would mean working at FOX, what a gigantic downer that would be!

      June 29, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Mirosal

      I'm waiting for Fox to do a story on "bat boy" lol ... does Fox own a tabloid, or vice-versa? 😉

      June 29, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      FAUX NEWS is a tabloid. Tabloid is as tabloid does. All that is required is to examine its "sister" publications to see.
      Prime example "The Sun"

      June 29, 2012 at 8:51 am |
  14. PsiCop

    The answer is contained within the Bible, in the "mission of the 70" (or sometimes 72), as related in Luke 10:1-20. Jesus sent out his followers to heal everyone they came across.

    June 28, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Cq

      Did they ask them if they had insurance before healing them?

      June 28, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
  15. SmallApple

    Jesus and now – a difference in time of over two thousands years.
    Although Jesus, and all equivalent leaders, did not have almost all the socio-political systems and related amenities for the welbeings of the present populace, the direct and indirect influence of spiritual peronalities like them still impact many aspects of human life worldwide today.
    Just to highlight a few facts that ought to be in perspectives in a decision making process: Jesus (as well as Mohamed, Moses, Budda, and Confucious) did not attend any formal school, did not have designer clothing, did not ride plane, train, bus, and cruise ship, did not taste today's chef cuisine, did not use phones and computers, did not watch TV and movies, did not read published materials, etc.
    Yet, they had devine knowledge and power that have been guiding the human generations ever since their prominence like an eternal beacon.
    What position Jesus, or any one of His stature, would take on present issues must be inherent in the Holy Books only to be interpreted appropriately and applied accordingly, should the authorities consider them as relevant.

    June 28, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
  16. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    @Voice of Reason,

    I really don't think I am confusing the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The Gregorian calendar was introduced to fix the c-mulative round off error in the Julian calendar which incorrectly assumed 365.25 day years.

    June 28, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      oops, belongs on the previous page ...

      June 28, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  17. jon

    No one can know if he would. But he did say that anyone able to perform miracles may not accept more than a meal for healing someone.

    June 28, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Cq

      I guess all the Christian faith healers out there wearing shiny $1000 suits skipped that part of the Bible.

      June 28, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
  18. Arvoasitis

    A fascist government solves social problems very efficiently: It simply exterminates the poor and disadvantaged, as well as anyone who is an embarrassment or danger to the state. It is the ultimate in autocratic-egoism.
    A democracy prefers the utilitarian approach, making use of adult discussions (you know, mature, logical, respectful, and compassionate) and then resolve the issue by majority vote.
    A government founded on Judeo-Christian principles (including the teachings of Jesus and the principles found in any other religion or moral system) would look to universal principles. I cannot presume to say whether Jesus would approve of Obamacare but fell quite sure that He would not disapprove of it. (By the way, as long as the electorate has some real input to the government, there is little to fear from universal health care which has many advantages to Obamacare.)

    June 28, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Narry

      Universal Health Care is so popular in Canada that the guy who introduced it, Tommy Douglas, was recently voted the greatest Canadian ever. Once you have it, you just can't imagine living without it.

      June 28, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
  19. Jack

    This night, everyone is invited to visit – thestarofkaduri.com

    June 28, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  20. EVN

    This conjecture is about as stupid and irrelevant as it can get. Aside from the whole "who was Jesus really and was he anything special at all if he truly existed" problem, whatever bits and pieces of his supposed sayings, teachings, beliefs have little or no relevance in the context of the health care crises America is facing today, and has been building for a couple of decades now. A complete waste of time, space and everything else – except maybe drawing they religious goofballs to this post and keeping them from cluttering other sites.

    June 28, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
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